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>> hello, you're watching "the context" on bbc news. [bombings] >> that is, i think -- [explosions and gunfire] >> the crowds are scattering down there. >> no one's soldier, no one's mom wants to send their boy into jenin. we do it because we have no choice. they are murdering israelis on the street. >> to pinpoint as an operation to defund israelis when in fact it's an assault on protected personals, refugees inside the occupied territory. it's really quite astounding. ♪
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>> hello, welcome to the program. there have been further su sustained exchanges of gunfire between israeli troops and palestinian militant in jenin well into the second dale of vale's biggest west bank railed in years. seven people were wounded in an earlier car ramming attack in tel aviv in israel. also, the metropolitan police are reopening investigations into covid registrations at a kemp party h.q. now one month since ukraine started its counter attack against russia. and mark zetterberg is set to launch a new social media network callethread to rival elon musk's twitter but will it work?
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first, we're going to focus on the situation in jenin. look at these pictures as an example of some of the clashes between palestinians and israelis. 11 palestinians confirmed dead so far. four of those under the age of 18. that's according to the palestinian health ministry. now, it is the second day and routers are -- rioters are reporting tt it's the second day but they're saying israelis are starting to pull out of jenin so we'll get as much detail on that as we can. in jenin, electricity, water cut off still. 3,000 people have left that camp. geography is crucial. look at the map. you can see israel and the west bank. up in the north is jenin and we can zoom in to look at the refugee camp in jenin itself.
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18,000 people or so live there. israel says it's a refuge for terrorism and palestinians say what israel has done is a war crime. pictures you're seeing now is the aftermath in tel aviv, a palestinian man ramming a car into people. seven were injured and he was shot dead. a palestinian militant group appraised the response to the attacks going on in jenin. our jeremy bowen has spent decades covering the isr israeli-prelim conflict and in the last hour or so gave us an update. reporter: longer term, impact on families, on children, is that they grow up seeing all of this and [explosion] that is, i think --
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[explosion and gunfire] the crowds are scattering down there. that fire is coming, i think, from prince firing out, perhaps at the israelis. this kind of thing has been going on all day. [heavy gunfire] >> that was jeremy bowen there. you can see that gunfire still ongoing. these are live pictures of jenin right now and my colleagues are telling me that every so often you can still hear crackles of gunfire there. one new line to bring you as well, just in the last few minutes, this is from reuters news agency, the u.n. security council will meet behind closed doors on friday to discuss the middle east. this was after israel's biggest west bank operation in years.
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in light of "of the alarming developments in palestine." that is according to the reuters news agency, kelly komaraing to us in the last few minutes. again, the other reports saying that israel is finishing up its operation there and is withdrawing. we have no independent confirmation of that but we'll be keeping across these pictures and our sources to bring you the latest on that. knew, though, i want to speak to someone in a mala, the occupied west bank. the executive director of the prelim institute for public diplomacy. thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> if you could start bireflecting on those last couple of breaking news lines. the u.n. security council is going to neat and reports that the operation may be drawing to
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a close. >> yes, unfortunately the u.n. security council has been meting for the past 75 years on the question of mitch and i think with always the same conclusions, that israel that can violating international law and basic right of the palestinians for 75 years, which is the source of vinals so we're looking at -- the violence, so we're looking at youth, whose grandparents and great grand parents were expelled already from haifa and other areas and who are refugees and completely endeloatched in this area. i feel always we've been there. actually, our parents have been there. our grandparents have en there. >> ok, the israelis are specifically saying that that camp is a "refuge of terror. is it? >> you know, it's very
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convenient for the israelis to criminalize an entire population to use that war on terror narrative. we're looking at a besieged population again that's been living as refugeesnder brutal military occupation and when it will become more quiet for the israelis, the palestinians will go back to the daily vinals. that's the structure of violence that the palestinians will continue to live in. the racism, the walls, the checkpoints, the lack of freedom, the lack of rights. this is ultimately a violence that stays so deescalating or just withdrawing, the media will go and the reality will remain the same and we'll have the exact same continue any of the things we've seen before and palestinians who keep isolated
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and confined in ghetto-like enclaves. >> but the israelis are saying it's about specific targets, terrorists that they have gone after and in their view successfully elinated. >> yes, and they have killed minors, they have attacked a church. they have damaged electricity d water infrastructure, a hospital. we know the play book. they've been applying this play book to destroy and confine and isolate and trying to force the population to three, where? gaza. gaza has been exceptionallized, isolated for the past two decades and we're seeing them due it again in jenin. people living in these conditions for three, four generations. their surroundgs being destroyed, their family being
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killed and being dehumanized as an entire population. >> we must leave it there. thank you so much for coming on the program. we're going to speak to a member of the -- and leader of the israeli leader party. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to start in tel aviv. that attack there. palestinians described it as a natural response to the attacks in jenin. is it? >> god knows. god forbid, that is. i hope there will never be anything natural about a person returning deliberately into a bunch of surveillance -- civilians, just red terrence walking, one of them is a pregnant woman and hurting them so dramatically. i really hope that none of us
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ever sees this as something natural. >> moving to jenin then, the damage being done and the anger this has caused amongst so many palestinians. do you defend this military operation? >> it is true that jenin has become a refuge of terror. this is something that even us that are supporters of freedom and fighting for this in israel constantly and i am the chair of the party that used to be the party headed by the late prime minister who gave his life fighting for this cause. we, too, cannot look away from the fact that there is terror and that jenin has become a refuge of terror and that israelis have every right to --
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as much as i am advocating and fighting here flitically for renewing a peace process, at the same time, fighting for our security and for our lives here. >> there were people on palestinian side who concealed every country's right to defend itself but they draw a distinction here saying this is beyond israel protecting itself. this is protecting its expansion, which is different. >> and again, i am against expansion of settlements and at the same time, there is terror. terror within the territories of israel as we have seen today in tel aviv, for instance, and we were seeing it in many places all across the country and -- i mean, thankfully we were seeing very few of the attempts that actually turn into terror incidents because our security forces are very successful in preventing many of them.
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but there's a constant attempt to execute terror attks on israel's legal territory. >> but i want -- >> unfortunately -- but want to say something. listen. this ongoing bloody conflict between israel and the palestinians, it's clear that we should all seek for a peaceful solution and, again, i am the voice, i represent the party that really voices this idea in the strongest possible way -- >> i understand that but one more question on the specifics of this operation because there were teenagers killed in this operation. the anger from palestinians that this will escalate for generations. do you honestly believe that this specific military operation wi make israel safer in the
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long run? >> as i said, the thing that will make everyone safer in the long run is a political process for a two-state solution, for a political, peaceful solution. but in the meantime, sometimes it comes to a point where israel has no alternative but to protect itself. it was -- the idea is really putting a lot of effort into avoiding, hurting innocent people and civilians and in was a very, very big investment also in this operation, i know that for a fact. but, at the end of the day, as much as i want a political solution, sometimes we have to deal with terror in order to protect our civilians and citizens. >> thank you very much for ming on the program. thank you. >> thank you so much. good night. >> i want to get a view now from
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the operation on the ground. adam is the director of the united nations relief and works agency. thank you very much for coming on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> can you give us an idea of some of the challenges of the united nations and other organizations operating in general en >> jenin camp over the last two days. >> the jenin refugee camp is a very densely populated place. it's about half a square kilometer. there are some 25,000 resident don't and the intensity of the israeli incursion is such that almost all buildings will be damaged? tom way. road works have been damaged. water systems, electricity. we don't even know the extent of the damage. we have bits and pieces of videos. we have not gained full access
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as a u.n. country team yesterday another we had a mission in a jenin camp today and we saw thousands with stories and videos of what they had seen on their escape. >> given some of the challengese i want to talk about some of the language being used here. a refuge for terrorism is how israelis have described jenin camp. is that accurate? >> that's their description of this. that's not to say that there aren't palestinian armed actors in the west bank and there are armed actors in refugee camps. these refugee camps, there are 19 of them that we help to support with medical services, education, relief, infrastructure but they're part of a community that's under
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occupation and has been for decades. >> coming from the other point of view, attacks on infrastructure, hospitals, etc., can be classified as war crimes. do you think that is worthy of an investigation here? >> i think all of this death and violence is worthy of an investigatio we document these things. the united nation writes letters of protest tot israeli government. weope that they're investigated. there was an attack on a may -- municipal hospital in jenin today where people were seeking medical attention and there were shots fired and tear gas. they had to relocate to another part of the hospital in order to provide health services. should this be mced? of course it should. as a u.s. agency we're here to
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five support and supplies until there is a just resolution to this conflict. >> thank you very much for coming on the program. >> thank you very much. >> around the world and across the u.k., this is becomes news. some of the day's other enough a man who killed his neighbor and her two daughters has been found guilty. jamie barrow denied manslaughter but found guilty to three counts of murder. jurors said he was unhappy about bags of rubbish being left by the family nearby. plans are expected to be announced tomorrow that will eventually see the closure of most railway ticket agencies in england. sales have dropped to an average of 12%. changing habits seeing tickets
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bought online or at machines. tinto has been find 3.3 impact pounds after being found guilty to creating plugs. untreated siege turned rivers to turn black and kill more than a million fish in gatwick airport in 2017. you are live with bbc news. heading to france, president macron has met more than 200 mayers by areas affected by days of unrest following police shooting of a teenagers. clashes the last two nights have seen fewer arrests. thousands of police officers are still deployed across the country. let's go to paris. tom is there for it us. hi, tom, what's been happening today? reporter: rain is the police officer's best friend when it comes to preventing prozests -- protests.
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pretty symbolic that tonight the heavens have opened. tonight where we are in paris, it's back to normal. no troubles here but there are some shops continuing to board up their plate glass windows just in case. we've heard figure that is during this last week, hundreds and hus of shops and banks and 10 shopping malls have been attacked by protesters but president macron said today the peak of the trouble is past. his meeting with over 200 mares was an attempt to find solutions. did the mayers of all political per vacation -- persuasions hear what they want to? we spoke so one who represents the area southwest of paris that has suffered quite badly in these protests. >> we have had enough of leaders basically giving france a few --
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to turn things down without offering any solutions. i have seen president macron completely out of touch and out of breath. what happened time and time again was he procrastinated and here we are. the stories are always the same. we have a lack after of resources, out of the circuit. and when it. burns, it's not a nice district that burns. it's us, it's our school. reporter: president macron's officials have stressed that the government has put money into communities which do need for income and need to be for co-heave and integrated and today he announced an emergency bill to start to speed up repairs to the infrom structure and schools, and other street furniture and that sort of thi that have been damaged this last week but he still has a lot of
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work to do to try to repair some of the tears in the society of this country. >> now to the war in ukraine. the governor of the kharkiv region in northeastern ukraine said 43 people have been injured by a strike. 12 are said to be children. the small town about 50 kilometers from kharkiv. a bomb struck a large residential building. this comes after russia was targeted by a drone strike earlier on tuesday. russia media said five drones had been intercepted. a number of flights from moscow's airport were redirected. ukraine's counter offenses enters its second month. on monday ukraine said it had taken more than 37 scare kilometers of territory. we're going to take a few
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minutes to assess how it is going. we're going to speak to awe cranian security excerpt. thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> what's your assessment of how thank you cranian counter offensive has gone so far? >> there is heavy fighting all along the front line. there is not a single area where in counter offensive action is lapping. it's happening all over the front line, in the south and in the east of ukraine. ukraine had made some gains. not some major push and it's because russia lines of defense are very much protected and defended and they have several layers and they are very heavily mined and ukrainian troops have put a lot of effort to break these russian defense lines and
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they are proving that they will be successful and they will attack more and they combined this tactic with high precise missile attacks on russian pply rules andha rt,ussianas the breakdown supplies to storm she would those missiles. >> in terms of territory gained, do you think there will be people within thank you cranian military who are surprised, disappointed that more gains haven't been made? >> there is no disappointment and as president zelenskyy has said, this is not hollywood, this is not a show. every inch and every meter of the liberated territory costs lives of ukrainian soldiers and ukraine wants to be sure that we make this progress. the troops will make progress when they can do that and no
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needless sacrifices of the lives of the soldiers should be made and in means that the tactics we just showed now, step by step they go -- >> yeah, we've highlighted the day, and the dangerous with land mines, for example. it makes progress very, very slow. is there a set of weaponry, a tactic, that could provide an extra boost here that could lead to a breakthrough? >> absolutely. as the command earn in chief has said, no other nation will go on this counter offensive without the air superiority and ukraine does it and ukraine needs now air supply of fighter jets and more high precise missiles because wouldn't that, ukrainian troops are in the open space where russia attacks them with their fighter jets --
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>> should ukraine have waited for air cover? >> well, ukraine is doing wh what -- the slow progress. what it has been doing since russia started this invasion and this progress is in some areas slower, some faster and it depends on the situation on the battlefield, where it's possible that progress will be faster but we cannot stop because if we stop then we will give russia time and russia will use this time to move forward. >> understood. thank you so much for your time and for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> there's plenty more to come. i'll be back in just a couple of minutes' time. as always, plenty more on the website and on the bbc news app. this is bbc news. bye-bye. ♪
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♪ ♪ narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: pediatric surgeon. volunteer. topiary artist. a raymond james financial advisor tailors advice to help you live your life. life well planned. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. announcer: and now, "bbc news".

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