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♪ >> good evening. tonight, former president trump faces additional charges for trying to delete security camera footage in the classified documents case. a prominent hong kong dissident in exile describes the chinese government crackdown. >> they have never had the support of the people. they have hijacked democracy from the chinese people. >> increasing pressure on local pharmacies. ♪
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and by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. >> welcome. nearly 200 million americans have spent another day under a long list of heat advisories and severe weather warnings. oppressive temperatures have scorched the southwest for weeks. now they have moved into the midwest and the mid atlantic. philadelphia's index topped out at 108. some other cities reached the hundred degree mark. new economic numbers today are the latest to show that in nation is easing. consumer prices rose 3%. so just excited army general to
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be the new head of state in niger today -- in niger today after the general rule the nation. >> the current security approach has failed to secure our country. we can no longer take this approach. >> the u.s. has about 1000 troops in the country and it is unclear how the coup will affect that comtment. lloyd austin aims tough talk to china today. he said this is aimed at the people's republic of china. >> we will continue to support
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our allies and partners as they defend themselves. >> some of the most security threats since world war ii. he cited actions by china, north carolina -- korea, and russia. the house and senate facebook negotiations over a defense bill. it includes a 5.2% pay raise for the military. mitch mcconnell is moving to quash questions about his health and future. this is after he froze up during a news conference. he said he appreciates the continuing support of his colleagues and plans to serve
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his full-term. he is 81 and he is the longest-serving party leader. on wall street, the new inflation data fueled a new rally. the dow jones game 176 points. the nasdaq rose 266 points. the s&p 500 was up 1%. still to come, the legal pitfalls victims of domestic violence face when they defend themselves. our guests weighing and on the weeks political headlines. a black-owned brewery in california bucks industry trends while fostering community. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour, from the weta studios in washington and from the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. >> jack smith expanded his classified documents case against donald trump with three
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new felony charges, including claims that mr. trump asked an employee of his mar-a-lago the to delete security footage sought by the grand jury investigating the mishandling of those records. prosecutors added a third defendant to the case, a worker at mar-a-lago who is accused of joining donald trump in obstructing the investigation. these new charges were presented in a superseding indictment that was handed out by a grand jury in florida yesterday. >> they add to the obstruction.
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the original indictment had to do with mr. trump using his attorneys to try to conceal information from the government. now we see a second aspect. mr. trump using employees to try to delete security camera footage. why is that important? because obstruction helps the government prove intent. it helps argued to the jury that he was destroying security camera footage. he is demonstrating that he did something wrong and he wanted to conceal it. it helps the case significant. >> the new indictment alleges that the worker at mar-a-lago told another employee that the boss one to server deleted. the employee responded that he did not know how to do that. or that he had the right to do it. the specificity of the
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indictment suggests that this other trumpet employee is cooperating. is that how you see it? >> yes. it suggests he will be a very important this. i'm confident that the fbi spoke to many if not all of the toys and most i hope told the truth. others had a choice to make. we know he was questioned by the fbi in his home. he could tell the truth but he chose not to. he lied and was charged. it sounds like the other employee told the truth. he buttresses the government's case and he stays out of trouble. >> why was a superseding indictment necessary in this case? >> that is a great question. and one that i wondered about.
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normally the government would prefer to bring all its charges in one case at one time. sometimes there are pieces that are lingering that they have not white yet resolved. it is also possible that they learned new information. i don't know which of those things happens. another preference is to bring it all at once in one charging instrument. it is possible they were hoping he would tell the truth and cooperate. but that he chose a different path. and they had little option but to indict him. >> mr. trump has denied any wrongdoing. he was talking about this is today in a conversation on conservative talk radio. >> is trying to intimidate people. so they have to live to get out of a problem. these were two wonderful employees.
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they have been with me for a long time. they are great people. >> he is saying the special counsel intimidated the witnesses. how do his public statements complicate his legal case? >> many of his public statements contradict evidence from the case. if he chooses to take the stand in his own defense, which is an option, not a requirement, he will be confronted with a lot of things that he said and it will be very difficult in a court of law under oath to weave his way through that. these employees may have been wonderful and great people. but that is not inconsistent with the fact that they committed crimes area if they were wonderful employees, that isn't on way for mr. trump to treat them in great jeopardy.
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>> for this new information delay the start of the trial? >> it is about 10 months out. that would usually be in eternity. i think the date can and should hold. it might not. there is now a third defendant. it is up to the judge ultimately. i think they should hold. but we shall see. >> it is always a pleasure to speak with you. >> my pleasure. ♪ >> for over 20 years, it was understood that hong kong was part of china. but it ran its own affairs under
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the one country, two systems. hong kong residents had many freedoms that mainland chinese did not. that all started to change a few years ago as beijing cracks on pro-democracy activists. now it resembles a police state. they are trying to extend that crackdown overseas. >> for several years now, hong kong has been cracking down on dissent at home. more than 260 people have been arrested. almost all independent media has been shut down. opposition candidate have been disqualified from elections. now they are targeting critics living in exile. there have been arrest warrants issued. he is named in one of those
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warrants. he is an online commentator now living in the u.s.. the government accuses you of subversion. they have put a six-figure reward for your arrest. how do you react to that? >> i am very happy. that means that i really touch on the weakest point. the whole part about the communist party as they claim they represent all the people. now i'm trying to form an elected hong kong parliament outside of hong kong. this makes them very nervous. it is really the power of the people. they never have the support of the people. they have hijacked all of the human rights and democracy from
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the chinese people. >> why do you think they are going after people overseas, exiles? >> they are trying to reach out. they do not have the control. the result is they want to scare us. they do this kind of tactic all of the time. only now are people starting to pay attention. >> i know hong kong police have detained members of your family. i believe your daughter and son eric what is your response to that? >> they are trying to scare me. what i am doing is based on the universal declaration of independence. we have the right to vote. that is also the chinese constitution. and the hong kong basic law.
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these are the rights given to us to form our own government. they tried to detain my children to scare me. and get me to stop. i would not be surprised if they detain them for a longer time. >> i've seen reports a quote saying public way that she no longer speaks you. why do you think that is? >> i think she has to say anything just to be able to leave hong kong. otherwise hong kong and china is one big prison. they don't allow people to leave. there are a lot of people who do not have freedom to leave hong kong. >> earlier today, a hong kong board -- po -- court reduced to
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ban a hong kong anthem. are you surprised by that? >> it seems like they do not have control of the judiciary system. most of the judges still like to rule by law. the u.s. congress has been threatening sanctions on those judges. that is when they might be scared. they will not be able to travel to free countries. >> could this be a sign that these judges will defy the government in other areas? ? >> i think they have to choose. the whole world is watching how they rule. now they have to consider. it seems like there is some
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recovery. this cannot go on. it is really hurting the hong kong economy. >> you spoke earlier about forming a parliament in exile. how is that effort going? >> we are forming a hong kong parliament. we have invented an online voting system. very secure. so people inside or outside hong kong can vote without being detected or traced. we are doing quite well. we hope to have an election by the end of the year. and elect our first member of the parliament. two draft a constitution for hong kong. >> are you able to communicate with your family and other people in hong kong who might be so pathetic position?
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>> most of the phone calls are tapped. i communicate mostly with people outside hong kong. >> i'm wondering if you have any sense of what life in hong kong is right -- like right now? >> i'm very familiar. we watch all the news. it is censored and controlled by the communists. but of course we have friends traveling back and worth rid a lot of people are still traveling. i meet them all over the world. i am very up-to-date. it is like police state. it is like martial law. >> thank you very much. >> thank you.
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♪ >> the supply chain that brings pharmaceutical drugs from the factory to the pharmacy is long, complex, and many pple say it is opaque. there been laws to bring more transparency and curb sewing drug prices. many smaller independent pharmacies complained that high prices actually heard them -- hurt them. >> the story began on a personal note. i went to refill a prescription at my local pharmacy. much to my surprise a few months ago, the people asked if i could take my business elsewhere because they were losing money
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filling this prescription. >> if you only taken $500, that is not a sustainable model area that is kind of where we are at right now. >> he owns the drugstore. a fixture that has been here for over 100 years. complete with a soda fountain until the pandemic. >> they are literally sucking the financial life out of my business. >> he's referring to three principal links in a complex supply chain. his most immediate threat our pharmacy benefit managers. middlemen companies to determine what drugs are covered by insurance, the price he is paid, and the co-pays required of patients. they began to roll rapidly in
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the 1980's as the pharmaceutical pipeline began swelling with new drugs. health insurers scramble to keep up. >> it didn't take long for them to say you want to manage this for us, great. it simplifies the claims management. >> they were hired by insurance companies to manage the growing drug benefit process. they have evolved into a multi-dollar business -- multimillion dollar business. >> they are taking money from every aspect of pharmacy distribution. >> they demand extensive documentation, tiring reimbursements. and yet they reimbursed him far
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less than what it costs to fill a prescription and far less that they fill their client health plans. >> people ask, where does the rest of the money go? it goes to them. >> they have branched into his business with their own retail shops. >> all the things you see advertised on tv, those are not available at my pharmacy. they have been classified as specialty drugs. what is special about them as they can make a lot of money off of them. they are supposed to be negotiating lower prices for consumers. they are actually doing the opposite. >> they are buying pharmacies,
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health care providers, and steering patients to the providers they own. >> they control nearly 80% of the market. they negotiate rebates from drug manufacturers. the amount of the rebates is not publicly dispose -- disclosed for proprietary reasons. he says they do the opposite. >> they actually make more money off of a higher price drug. we now capture less than 50% -- 50 cent of the dollar. >> that makes it raise their list prices. they say they have gone public. >> big pharma has the power of
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drug prices. >> big drug companies are setting the price of pharmaceuticals out of reach. >> they have been very successful in mitigating the net cost of scription drugs -- prescription drugs. >> he says his focus is on high quality and lower cost and providing cost-saving options to patients. a group accuses the drug company of gaming patent laws. there was sharp criticism. >> they were not prevented by
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the rebates. >> i'm sorry, this medicine is not covered by your insurance. >> they have their own ad campaign. >> they make a counterpoint. would prices began to fall, many of them continued to require their patients remain on brands. >> they get more money from the higher priced drugs. the system needs to be changed. >> the system is so complex. think there is even 50 people in the u.s. to understand it. >> he says despite various bipartisan efforts to bring more
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transparency and inflation reduction, comprehensive reform is difficult. >> there is a blame game. everybody says it is not us. they are both profiting. >> what do you see emerging in the next few years? >> think it will say what the market will bear. >> insulin remains a rare example of a price drop. >> the outrage caused by families losing children with type one diabetes because of high prices of insulin.
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this led to this moment of advocacy. >> what does all of this mean for the corner drugstore? >> i get letters every month to purchase my prescription records. and basically buy me out. >>'s responses divide time and sell new things. nutritional supplements and vaccination services. although his story so busy they are not accepting new patients, they will soon have to go to chain stores. ♪
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>> more than two dozen states around the country have a version of self-defense laws, sometimes known as stand your ground laws. they allow for deadly force when somebody feels threatened in their home. a new podcast and investigation details how women of color who try to use self-defense laws do not always get the same protection. especially in cases of domestic violence. >> this podcast tells how in 2017, 25 euro black woman shot and killed her white boyfriend. over the course of their relationship, she had been repeatedly and violently abused. >> i saw the gun and i saw him.
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i had had enough. >> she took what is known as a blind see. she pled guilty to manslaughter but she did not know what her punishment would be. she was sentenced to 15 years. her story is the focus of a new podcast. great to see you again. before we get to her legal situation, which is so well documented, can you tell us more about her relationship with her boyfriend? >> she was a young woman from upstate new york. they fell in love.
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he took her down to rural alabama. he had gotten violent with her before. once she was more isolated, things escalated. in all of her reporting, they were emotionally abusive. they were living in this world. incredibly isolated. >> as he documents in your podcast, the violence escalates and then this one night it erupts into terrible circumstances.
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>> i have been covering cases of women who kill their abusers or years now. one thing i see again and again is women do not fight back at the precise moment of violence. often things will escalate for years. he shot at her. he broke bones in her face. several minutes had passed. we would say that is not self-defense. but a woman who is in a domestic abuse situation is always in here for her life. a lot of these folks are looking
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for a change in the system. >> in these cases, you report how they tend to go against women of color. >> women are twice as likely to be convicted as men when claiming self-defense. black people who use these laws are more likely to lose their hearings. they come with a lot of masculine assumptions. that is not the case in these situations. a larger woman might not be able to defend herself with her fist, so she might use a weapon.
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there is something i need to change in our application. >> she tries this self-defense case. she is charged with murder. she didn't take this blind plea. can you help us understand why she did that not really knowing what the punishment would be? >> when our team started looking into this, we were really amazed at the lack of research around a blind plea. we know in america 90% of cases are actually adjudicated through a plea bargain. a lot of people not heard of this. you basically say you are pleading guilty to a lesser charge.
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but i am leaving it up to the judge to determine my fate. the things we found disturbing is it is dependent on where you are. they say i think the judge will do me a solid and give me a lesser sentence. i think a lot more research is needed in that round. >> she got sentenced to 15 years. she has just recently gotten out . she was a model citizen. in your final episode of the podcast she talks a lot about how she wants other victims of domestic violence to think of themselves and be seen in society. >> i also want the people who are in those relationships to
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understand that they are not alone. they should not feel like they are less than or they are stupid. i still kind of kick myself in that way. i want to make the world more aware of the problem. >> it sounds like an some level she is doing pretty well >> she is out now. she is talking a lot about domestic abuse. everyday day is a struggle. things did not go magically back to normal. prison is not really a place for rehabilitation. not for people who have dealt with domestic abuse. she really feels like she is
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making her journey now. she just got a job. but every day is kind of step by step. >> i cannot recommend the podcast enough. thank you. ♪ >> to dive deeper into the repercussions of donald trump is legal troubles and more, we turn to our analysts. it is good to see you both. jack smith leveled new charges against donald trump this week.
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how do these additional charges change or expand our understanding of this case? >> when i talked to a lot of trouble supporters about this, they were very disappointed. the cover-up is going to be the worst. i have questioned whether a lot of these things should be rsued. if they get one of these people to turn on him and say he asked me to cover up this or see if we can delete this footage, that will be very bad. his opponents looking at this politically need to quit resorting to defending him if they want to make any headway against them. they need to say, this is a cover-up. as your earlier guest said today
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on the show, this is the evidence of doing something wrong. this is an opportunity to separate trump from his supporters. but to do that, the doj needs to realize they have parallel things going on area they cannot seem to have a double standard. you have a week where the president's son was in court trying to do a sweetheart deal and plead to two misdemeanors. he thought he would be immunized from any other crimes that he might've been committed. the president's main opponent is saying that's keep indicting more and more people around him to see if they will flip. you have to not have an excuse for trump to say there is a double standard going on here. >> what do you make of that
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parallel? >> there is no parallel between the legal troubles involving the president son and the mountain of legal problems facing the former president of the united states. the cover-up that is alleged in the superseding indictment is damming. but so is the original indictment. he cap -- cap classified documents. we saw how the boxes were being moved around. the superseding indictment shows that the loss wanted the tapes destroyed. he was moving boxes and self and going through them and picking
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things out and shoving boxes elsewhere. what the american people are learning is the former president of the united states looks even worse now after the superseding indictment. as we are waiting for a possible indictment in the other jack med investigation. there is no excuse for this. i have set it in the beginning. trump is his own worst enemy. he should have given the documents back the minute he was asked. but don't pretend there is not a public perception element of this. you need more of the public to weigh in and say this is the right thing to do. you need to have the confidence that the doj plays it straight down the middle on high-profile cases.
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>> we have a new poll that asks if trump's troubles are resonating among the electorate. 51% say trump has done something illegal. others say he is on something unethical. some say he has done nothing wrong. what do you make of those results? >> the majority of the country sees what he did as illegal. i will take that. that tells me that the impact of
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what we are learning is having an impact on the way people arguing the former president. the 19% that you him as having done nothing wrong, that is not surprising. >> others say they do not think it is illegal. >> it is 46%. >> when is that not about half? >> when 51% s he has done that. >> we will table that for now. what do you make of his hardwired fixation with hillary clinton's emails? now he is accused of trying to
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destroy a server. >> are you saying perhaps we will get the same result with the trump case as we got with the hillary case? which was no charges. that is a lot of the problem. that is why they bring up hillary clinton. she was in a similar situation. no charges, no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges. a lot of people have never bought that. they will question why trump is being treated differently. >> he is being treated different because he had classified documents that were about nuclear secrets. if we have learned anything from the four years of his presidency and his campaign leading up to it and the contain -- campaign
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to try to get reelected, he is the master of projection area anything he accuses somebody else of doing, he has either done it himself for real or would really like to do it. but we are discovering now is she has gone all of the things he has accused tillery of -- hillary clinton of doing. a lot of those females had to do with cookie recipes and appointments. none had to do with nuclear secrets. there is no parallel. no similarity at all. >> a lot of the things they found on her server were classified. and probably were accessed by foreign agents. we don't know if they were
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nuclear secrets. we don't know all about all the ones that were deleted. >> if they were nuclear secrets, we would've known. >> i want to talk about something else happens this past week. mitch mcconnell was giving a press conference when suddenly he stopped speaking. it was difficult to watch. he stopped speaking for about 19 seconds. one of the senators to his left stepped in and walked him away. yesterday senator dianne feinstein appeared infused during a vote on a defense bill. what are we to make of this? >> it is concerning. it plays to why people have
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these concerns to begin with. the mitch mcconnell thing was disturbing to watch. he is clearly not fine. >> the republican leader says he will serve out the remainder of his term. senator feinstein's office said that was a very chaotic session. she was awfully aware of what was happening. >> this conversation we are having now because of what happened with the senators.
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they have demonstrable and reported health difficulties. that gives democrats and republicans a lot of concern. i think what is happening with them will lead to a conversation that i think we should have. how long is too long? how old is too old? if you want to serve even longer , what are the things you have to do to demonstrate to the american people that you should be entrusted with an elected position? how much more transparent must you be if you want to serve beyond a certain age? i think those are reasonable questions to debate. >> seniority accounts for a lot.
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there are prerogatives and positions that come with that. does it make sense. >> i have never been a fan of term limits. when people complain about the deed state and leaving bureaucrats in control of things, that is what you will have. i think some cognitive testing or something like that is not out of the question. >> the key thing you loses expertise. >> great to see you. take care. ♪
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a new craft for a company in the bay area is on a mission to diversify the brewing industry and create change in the local community. we have the story. >> here in wine country, craft here is breaking barriers. it is the first black-owned brewery in northern california. they turned their homebrewing hobby into a business. >> we had a competition between each other. who could make the best beer? we always had this entrepreneurial spirit between each other.
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we were brainstorming. we were making beer. while we try to start a brewery together? >> 94% of brewery owners are white. >> some of the berries we have gone to -- breweries we have gone to, they were few and far between. who is going to be represented? who is serving? there needs to be some improvement. >> it is born out of simple ingredients. but timing, temperature, and fine details make every kind unique -- pint unique.
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this work takes patience. you can take weeks to finish one batch. and a delicate touch to keep the taste fresh. >> the yeast converts the sugar into alcohol. >> through every step, they look to highlight their oakland roots. representing the community in flavor, name it, and design. >> this one is the one we did for black history month. >> this beer pays respect to a long history of black female brewers that goes back centurie >> it was in mesopotamia where the first beer recipe was conceived by a black woman.
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just trying to knock down those barriers. we want to make sure that people know the real history. we do this. we have been doing this. we will continue to do it. >> they are also looking to the future. to build generational wealth or their kids and equity for other black business owners. their labels evoke black culture. right now they are renting space in a tavern downtown. they're hoping to open their own store that could be more than just a spot to grab a drink. >> we want to create that space. create something where folks in our community can come and feel welcome and be their true selves in a brewery. one thing we want to do and asked aces not only make it
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inclusive, we want to make it a place where people can, and learn about here and have different beer styles but at the same time have guest speakers, artists, art on the wall that is representing the community and highlight organizations, non-puppets, initiatives that really resonate with the community in general. >> at this craft beer festival, they are again serving to a largely white clientele. but customers showed an appreciation for the flavors. >> very refreshing. not to sit receipt -- too citru sy. >> it is the only black brewery in this place. i said, say last. >> fresh beer and fresh faces in an industry they are working to change.
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