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announcer: and now, "bbc news". >> you are watching the context on bbc news. >> we stuck together and held on. >> people lost everything. homes, jobs, their cars, their pets. there are still people missing. >> it is extraordinary. it is tragically garden. we know many people are suffering. the fatality numbers will climb today. ♪ >> good evening. at least 55 people are dead d hundreds missing in hawaii as firefighters continue to battle

devastating wildfires on maui. also on the program, donald trump is put on notice by a judge about what he can post on social media about his upcoming trial. the u.k. economy grew ever so slightly in the second quarter of the year, but is it a sign things are turning things around? the saudi's has kicked off. critics say e country is using sports to distract from its human rights record. we begin tonight with the continuing tragedy in hawaii. the death toll has risen to 55, buhundreds more are still missing. it is feared a number of dead could rise. governor josh green has called the fires the largest and most catastrophic state -- in the state's history.

fire fighters continue to battle the flames. the bbc has been speaking with survivors sharing stories about dramatic survival. we are expecting a press conference in this hour from authorities. we will bring it to you as soon as it starts. joining me now is the associate professor of civil engeering at boise state university, and an associate professor of urban planning at texas a&m. at disaster recovery and. president biden made this major declaration. >> thank you for having me. i can relate originally having

been from puerto rico. first of all, the transportation, it would be by truck or train. here, it has to be by boat or airplane, and that adds to the difficulty. in terms of transportation, that will be the first thing that will delay the aid. >> we will see limited aid on theround in maui for the time being. >> yes, that is what we can expect. just think about the recovery

process. recovery would be a lot more costly people are using the private market because there will be a shortage materials. >> i want to bring you in because you and your team have been looking at wildfires across the country. what left hawaii and maui specifically so exposed? >> there were several factors that created this disasters. see high winds because disasters when it comes to fires.

his case, these were grass fires. we had lots of grass on the ground, and grass fires spread clearly please -- really quickly. as the fire spreads to the city and buildings start to burn, it becomes difficult to control those fires. the buildings are built from burnable materials here, and it blows off. >> i found it interesting that the number of people directly exposed wildfires doubled from 2000 to 2019, meaning people are increasingly exposed to wildfires that are not used to it. how will they have to adapt? >> there are programs out there is. one trains people what to do with their houses, how to move vegetation around the house, how

to harden the homes. at the community level, using vegetation athe community level to make sure there is not enough burnable material, grass growing around communities, forests, it is just necessary to be done, but also talking about this economic disaster, there are needs for resources. in this specific case, cell phone coverage was cut. looking about the structure -- frastructure needed to help, that is necessary. >> sorry to cut you off. we lost your sound for a moment. given the limitations you mentioned that are presented in a situation like maui, what do you and recovery efforts will like now? >> it is going to be slow at the

beginning. usually what happens is the community has to mobilize. we are talking about neighbors, associations and nonprofit organizations on the ground. they are likely to be engaged and people to receive aid through these organizations. it is important that people support these organizations outside of government. government might take a little bit more time to deploy and make decisions, so that is something i really encouge people to be thinking about supporting nonprofit organizations on the ground. >> they are certainly doing a lot of work on the ground in maui. coming back to you, listening to what you were saying about research, does it mean every state will have to start to make

plans to adapt to the possibility of wildfires? >> that is absolutely true. we should not wait for the disasters. >> hmm. [no audio] >> unfortunately, it looks like we are having some trouble with your line, so we have been able to hear a bit of your answer, but not all of it. i want to thank you very much for sharing your perspectives. great to have you on the program. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. let's take a look at some other stories making the new. police investigating the murder of a 10-year-old girl in syriza three people they want to speak to have left the country. the girl's body was found early

thursday. he three people are believed to have left u.k. on wednesday. a police officer said he made the devastating decision to leave northern ireland after accidental breaches of internal data revealed the identities of officers and staff. the police service of northern ireland mistakenly shared details about thousands of its employees. details of a second data breach from july emerged. the officer said the data breach was the straw that broke the camels back. a scottish fugitive extradited from brazil been jailed for 10 years for serious crimes. james white, originally from glasgow, pleaded guilty to money laundering, possessing guns and explosives. he led one of scotland's most prolific organized crime groups. you are watching bbc news. in the u.k., 39 asylum-seekers

is a bacteria were found in the water system. the bbc understands that routine testing was done before migrants were moved onto the vessel. so far, no migrants have shown any symptoms. i have guests with me to discuss. we also have the technical director at airborne environmental consultants. how does legionella spread? where does it come from, and how does it spread? >> legionella is a naturally occurring waterborne bacteria found in rivers and streams all over the world, including u.k. effectively, it becomes a problem when it manages to get into typically man-made water

systems. it ithere an extremely low numbers, this bacteria, if it has food, warmth, it is able to multiply two dangerous concentrations. the problem comes -- this is how people come down with disease -- is when water with viral bacteria can become aerosolized. when it is turned into an aerosol and released in the air, the only can catch a disease is by inhaling contaminatied

droplets. >> how ill can it make people? >> it can make people very ill. catch the disease, bacterial infection. >> we just spoke about the migrants moving on to this barge , and now we see this. what do you make of it? >> we know from the camp in november, outbreaks of scabies and diphtheria. we are hearing now migrants are

being moved off the barge. they are supposed to be moved away tonight. some are already having symptoms of sore throats and breathing difficulties. the results of legionnaires were starting to come in on wednesday, so why is there a delay? the government has to know that prison barges are not the way fully to deal with refugee processing. what they need to deal is deal with the 173,000 in backlogged claims. >> legally speaking, is the government at risk of breaking the law if conditions are substandard? >> we know already when we spoke on monday, the government was only able to process and transfer 15. 20 were held back because of their vulnerabilities. now there will be for vulnerabilities -- further

litigation for these individuals. the way forward is not barges. the way forward is processing claims. >> the bbc understands the government is taking cautionary measures by moving migrants off the boat and said it has gone above and beyond. is that true? is it above and beyond, or is this standard procedure in this type of case? >> in this kind of case, typically, it is relatively unusual, but in this kind of instance come along requires a risk assessment is carried out.

i can't really say whether or not they have exceeded what is required. that may well be possible according to the nature of the sampling. it depends. >> it is early days, but i will ask the same question. i saw you shaking your head when i asked it to dr. harris. >> the government says that this is all about starting boats. they own two out of the 39, the folks who have gone through the boat processing system. the general public has to know that the government's approach to refugees is not about stopping the boats.

it is about stopping undocumented refugees from comi to the u.k. and seeking sanctuary. even the dish ministry two days ago talked about the backlog. shouldn't that be a core duty? if you get the numbers down, that would be a pull factor. the government does not really want to stop the boats. it wants to stop refugees from coming u.k., and that is why the british taxpayers are paying 60,000 pounds per day. the government is not committed to driving numbers down. it is committed to right-wing policies to stop people from coming to the u.k. undocumented, not illegal, because it knows these people are coming to the u.k. to claim asylum and get safety. >> really good to get both perspectives on the story, thank you. junior doctors in england have

begun another four day strike as their bidder dispute grinds on. nearly one million health appointments are expected to be postponed or canceled over the next four days. the british medical association is calling for a 35% pay rise while the government is offering 6%, plus a lump sum. our health editor hugh pym reports. >> silence in this operating theater today, like many others. much of the planned surgery has been postponed because of the strike. elsewhere in the hospital, not italian, and majoring, checks on patient -- natalia, a matron, checks on patients. >> patients operated on yesterday were seen straightaway. >> although we had to cancel a

lot of our planned care -- >> the trust abbas is getting consultants to do extra shifts and is worried about the months ahead. >> this has been the most difficult strike to cover so far, and if we see it going on further, it will be more difficult to find cover. if we get into winter, we could have a problem. >> picket lines outside of hospitals in england, the prospect of talks to resolve the dispute looks remote. >> with the 9% on average pay, doesn't it showed there is some mileage to sit down? >> it is yet again another real terms pay cut. it is not the start. it is yet another continuation of their policy to erode doctors pay. >> he did not rule out escalated action. >> consultants and us have been contemplating the idea of joint

action, both simultaneous and on adjacent days. >> ministers say that the payoff for his final. >> of course i am ready to have discussions with junior doctors in terms of other issues about their working conditions, but in terms of pay, we made a fair and final offer. even accepted the recommendations of the independent pay review body process. >> margaret needed a new battery for her pacemaker. she had an appointment cancel because of a previous strike, and because of ongoing action, she felt she had to go private. >> i have some sympathy coming this. -- sympathy, yes. if that is the they think they could do, i wouldn't want to be a community dr. and work the hours they do. >> with a ballot on further strikes and consulteds planning further strikes, it is not er.

>> now to the u.s. where there have been legal developments affecting donald trump and joe biden. a federal judge has ruled that mr. trump can public share some nonsensitive evidence used at his trial on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election. special counsel's office asked the judge to stop from happening. they pointed to messages posted by mr. trump to argue that he may try to use details to try to intimidate witnesses. mr. trump's legal team said such an order would impede his right to free speech. in the last few hours, a major update into the investigation of joe biden son hunter biden. the attorney general merrick garland said the prosecutor was given the additional powers of a united states special counsel. david weiss has handled the

inquiry since he was appointed by then president trump in 2018. let's talk with frank luntz, a political pollster. i want to talk about the developments for hunter biden, the department of justice appointing david weiss as special counsel, this as prosecutors say this is likely to head to a trial. what do you make of these developments? >> it is significant because at a time of economic challenges, the country will be focused on donald trump's past, hunter biden's past, and the american people are thinking, when will we focus on issues affecting the average american? there is a real decline in trust and confidence in washington, believe that elected officials will do what they want. the perception of integrity is at an all-time low, and that is

one reason why they are focused on these trials and accusations. when of the highest values in america is accountability, and the former public does what the former president to be held accountable if he broke the law, same with hunter biden, but the fact is it is a distraction from the current issues that the public prioritizes more. >> i want to ask you about republican voters and how they will take this news about hunter biden's case. they have ride follow -- cried foul about -- >> they don't call it politicization. they call it weaponization. the complaint is that there are excuses for issues that affect the bidens, but it seems to republicans like donald trump is being persecuted. once again, the public wants a

free and fair trial situation, and they want to know what the truth is. republicans are always going to believe they are being mistreated. it is an example of the extreme polarization that has hit america, and i give one morning to the people of the u.k. don't go down this road because you will not like the consequences. >> were saying that the voters you speak to are really not that interested. >> extreme partisans are because it is a chance to get even and get revenge with the enemy, but the 60% in the middle couldn't give a damn, to be blunt. they are focused on the economy and being able to afford a home and afford insurance and afford to drive to work, and the idea that there is a constant prosecution for partisans on the left and partisans on the right.

to the 60% in the center, it doesn't matter at all. >> what can somebody like the current president joe biden and the former president donald trump do to speak to that 60%? >> they could actually speak to them, but they are not interested. joe biden, whenever he gets a chance, tries to refer negatively to the magna republicans. whenever republicans have the chance to attack hunter biden, they do. from a governing perspective, it is one reason why voters are fed up with the democrats and republicans. it is why the vast majority of americans don't want trump, don't want biden. they do not want a rerun of 2020 all over. >> one more question about the former president specifically because we saw the special counsel's office requested a trial date of january 2.

it would put a trial middle of the iowa caucuses. is there a possibility that the schedule of the trial could affect his popularity among voters? >> here is the amazing thing. the more you accuse donald trump, the higher his numbers go. the more you indict him, the more popular he becomes. there are over -- you will have these trialsngoing all throughout 2024. he will have to be running between state and state and state. he's going to be running to try to become president, and we've never been inhis situation before. >> hunter did territory for sure. thank you for joining us on bbc news. thank you for watching. we will be back in just a little bit for a look at saudi arabia's new football league.

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