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against vladimir putin's invasion -- but some of their extremist views raise alarms. vladimir: since my teenage years i have always dreamed that something would change in the country where i was born and raised. i wanted an armed fight against our criminal state. geoff: and... spain's world cup victory is mired in controversy after a soccer official, who forcibly kissed a player during celebrations, refuses to step down. ♪ >> major funding for "the pbs newshour" has been provided by the ongoing support of these individuals and institutions, and friends of "the newshour," including jim and nancy goldman and kathy and paul anderson. >> the john s. and james l.

knight foundation, fostering informed and engaged communities. more at kf.org. ♪ >> and with ongoing support of these individuals and institutions -- and friends of "the newshour." ♪ this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. geoff: good evening and welcome to "the newshour." the grim and grueling search operation across maui's fire-ravaged communities has now entered a new phase. the confirmed death toll stands at 115 people. but hundreds more are still missing.

stephanie sy has our report. stephanie: more than two weeks after the maui wildfires, the missing remained nameless, until late thursday. chief pelletier: we're releasing this list of 388 names today because we know it will help with the investigation. stephanie: maui county officials hope publicizing the 388 identities will help narrow down search and rescue efforts. chief pelletier: we do know that once those names come out, it can and will cause pain for some folks that are affected by this. this is not an easy thing to do, but we want to make sure that we are doing everything we can possibly to make this investigation the most complete, thorough to date. stephanie: meanwhile, the victims that have been identified now include a family that ranged in age from 73 to 7 -- the young boy the first known child victim from the fires.

there's anger on top of pain. questions and lawsuits are taking aim at hawaiian electric. maui county is alleging that the state's main utility showed negligence by failing to shut power off amid fierce winds and a fire weather watch. cell phone videos from the early hours of the blaze show sparks flaring near toppled power lines. in a statement, hawaiian electric said they're "very disappointed that maui county chose this litigious path while the investigation is still unfolding." the lawsuit also claims the company has compromised evidence by removing damaged lines and other equipment. evidence of potential liability in a disaster whose toll remains incalculable. for "the pbs newshour," i'm stephanie sy. geoff: we are going to take a closer look with kaniela ing. he is a seventh-generation indigenous hawaiian from maui and a former state legislator.

he now serves as national director of the green new deal network. thank you for being with those. as we just reported, maui county is suing the hawaiian electric company, alleging negligence led to the worst wildfire in this country's history in some 100 years. is that a welcome first step toward accountability in your view? kaniela: there's a lot of finger-pointing right now from the state, county, utility and colonial organizations that contributed to this mess. many of us have lost loved ones. just the accountability internally first. the fact is the county had been negligent in making sure the utility was up to standard. they gave them approval, the public utility commission at the state level has been too close

to the utility and not regulating them as they should. the fact remains, if the water had not been diverted by certain corporations, or utility actually maintained the power lines or if the polluters did not overheat our planet and make winds like this more severe, the fire would not have spread, any of these would've prevented the fire in the first place. we are asking accountability across the board. geoff: you've written extensively about how climate change and overdevelopment are also to blame. west maui is no danger to wildfires, but how have the hot and dry conditions worsened over time? kaniela: lahaina used to be a lost wetland, you could take a boat around a famous church that our chiefs are buried in.

it was the birthplace of aquaculture, there were fishponds throughout the community. at the turn of the 20th century, the big five families, corporate oligarchs, diverted the water illegally to irrigate their stolen lands for the mono crop of sugar. that has resulted in generations of water disputes that haven't been resolved. as we rebuild, we are looking at not just returning to the status quo but returning the control of public trust resources like land and water to the people of lahaina. geoff: it is early days but how do you intend to do that and make sure that the people of lahaina, indigenous hawaiians, are intimately involved in the rebuilding effort? kaniela: one thing we called for that was met by the governor was

a moratorium on land sales to out-of-state developers. right now, there are disaster capitalists and land grabbers hovering above the carnage like vultures. blackrock representatives right now on maui meeting with government officials. we know the early stages of realtors calling families in their darkest moment is just the beginning. the real fight will happen six months to a year down the line, in the regulatory come up political and legislative arenas. as we do wellness checks, we are making sure neighbors are talking to neighbors, helping with insurance claims and fema applications, and we are organizing that now on the ground. fema and red cross will come and go but we want to make sure women the help of leaves, we are empowered, so that a year down the line, we are repairing a school and testifying at city council. i facilitated a meeting with lahaina leaders and they have

their eye not just on relief but long-term recovery and rebuilding that centers the people. were not just rebuilding lahaina but setting an example for the world of how to better communities as these disasters become more frequent. geoff: are there enough emergency resources on the ground right now? kaniela: right now, not necessarily from the government or institutions, that is part of it, but the community has stepped up to fill the gap. a lot of the survivors are taking care of, in terms of basic needs, food, water and shelter. as we looked on the line, we know government subsidies for airbnb rooms and hotels, for example, will only last a few weeks to a couple of months and it's unclear where these people will be housed after that. we need to fill in the gaps and actually build housing or extend subsidies so that these

temporary shelters don't become long-term camps. we saw after hurricane sandy, maria, katrina, there were folks sleeping in tents even years down the line. unfortunately, a lot of the organizations that have absorbed the relief money are absorbing that money and it's unclear what will happen. because of connections that have allowed them teresa much money there's a fear in the community that they will call on those institution connections that led to the crisis to rebuild and that's not what the people want. geoff: what have the last two weeks been like for you? kaniela: intense. i was lucky enough, my mom had an apartment on front street and she moved away a couple of months ago. she almost signed a lease. my immediate family is safe, but

i lost friends i've grown up with. i think everyone on maui is feeling that as well. before you think of anything, it's the people who really matter. lahaina really is a historic place. now is the time to show up for folks. unfortunately they are not having the time to grieve and heal as they deserve because of these political fights and land grabs. we are just calling on people, if they want to support, to donate, we have a maui recovery fund, not just for the short-term but the long-term. it will take $6 billion minimally to rebuild and that will likely come from the government. the question is, who has access and who has the power to shape where those funds go? that's what we are working on right now. geoff: i am deeply sorry for your personal loss. think you for being with us, we appreciate it. kaniela: thanks so much. ♪

>> here are the latest headlines. all 19 people charged in georgia's election interference case have now turned themselves in to an atlanta jail. that includes former president donald trump, who surrendered last night and was released on $200,000 bond. a georgia judge scheduled the first trial for trump co-defendant kenneth chesebro to begin on october 23. chesebro filed a request for a speedy trial in the case. in russia, the kremlin denied involvement in the plane crash that likely killed mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin. u.s. intelligence believes an intentional explosion downed the plane. they say that's consistent with actions russian president putin has taken in the past to "silence his critics," which kremlin spokesman dmitry peskov firmly rejected. mr. peskov: there's a great deal of speculation surrounding this plane crash.

in the west, all this speculation is presented from a certain angle. all of this is an absolute lie. it's necessary to rely exclusively on facts when covering this issue. there are not many facts yet, because they need to be established through an investigation. >> prigozhin led a failed uprising against putin in june. russia's investigative committee said it's now recovered the plane's flight recorders. genetic testing is ongoing to identify the bodies. the russian defense ministry says it shot down 73 ukrainian drones in the past 24 hours. most of them targeted military assets on the russian-held crimean peninsula. it was one of the largest known ukrainian air attacks on russian territory since the war began last year. russia seized the crimean peninsula from ukraine and annexed it in 2014. severe storms in michigan overnight killed five people and left hundreds of thousands of customers without power. the national weather service

confirmed at least two tornadoes in the state downed trees and power lines. days of heavy rain have also flooded highways and streets. residents are now struggling to clean up. the united nations' children's agency unicef estimates that four million children in pakistan are still in need of aid, a year after catastrophic flooding there. last year's record monsoon season put a third of the country under water, destroying homes, roads and crops. unicef says flooding this season has made conditions even worse. there were new rulings today in two states over bans on gender-affirming health care for minors. a missouri judge said that state's ban can go into effect on monday, as scheduled. meanwhile in texas, a judge blocked a similar state law after a group of families and doctors sued to protect the rights of transgender minors. the texas attorney general's office is expected to appeal. this allows the law to go into

effect on september 1. federal reserve chairman jerome powell raised the possibility today that the central bank will need to raise interest rates again. he spoke at a conference of central bankers in jackson hole, wyoming. powell said that while inflation has gone down from its peak, it still remains too high. chair powell: it is the fed's job to bring inflation down to our 2% goal, and we will do so. we are prepared to raise rates further, if appropriate, and intend to hold policy at a restrictive level until we are confident that inflation is moving sustainably down toward our objective. >> the fed's policymakers are set to meet again in mid-september. still to come on "the newshour"... writers sarah smarsh and gary abernathy weigh in on this week's republican presidential debate... allegations of misogyny roil spain's soccer federation after its women's world cup win... the goo goo dolls describe what it's like to be back on tour and gaining new, younger fans.

>> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: the ukrainian military is working with many international fighters in its battle against russia including russian dissidents that have fled their homeland. in may, a group of such fighters known as the russian volunteer corps were part of a cross-border raid from ukraine into russia that made international headlines. but the small group's white nationalist politics, including some neo nazi members, feeds into putin's false propaganda narrative that ukraine is dominated by the extreme far right. we have this rare look at this group which was produced by videographer ed ram and special correspondent jack hewson with support from the pulitzer center. and a note, names have been

changed and faces blurred to protect the identity of some interviewees. and some scenery was also blurred to help hide the location of where we filmed. jack: russian soldiers training on ukrainian-held soil. an unusual sight but these russians have unusual aims. alexander: our ambitions are fairly simple. just destroy the current state in the russian federation. jack: this is the russia volunteer corp, or rvc. a far right revolutionary militia, targeting vladimir putin. vladimir: since my teenage years i've always dreamt that something would change in the country where i was born and raised. i wanted an armed fight against our criminal state to happen at some point. jack: we were given rare access to the rvc and its leader, denis kapustin. the group's far right, white nationalist politics make it a controversial ukrainian ally. denis: islamisation, cultural marxism, multiculturalism. i think all those, all those

things are harmful. european culture is definitely endangered. i believe in things like the great replacement. jack: the rvc came to international attention in may with a daring incursion into the russian belgorod region. it claimed to have seized this russian armored personnel carrier, among other weaponry, and a number of prisoners of war, published in these rvc-branded videos that are posted to its telegram channel. they were pushed back to the border by russian reinforcements within days, but have made sporadic raids since embarrassing russian forces by , showing how easily its borders can be breached. according to the rvc, their raids and attendant publicity have inspired many more to join the cause. all these men here who are conducting target practice are russian citizens who've come here to fight with the ukrainians against russia, and the only likelihood of them being able to go home to their motherland is if ukraine wins

and in addition they take territory inside russia. for new recruits like alexander, it's a one way ticket, after what he claims to have done in russia there's no going back. alexander: i have committed several crimes within russian border. you see i have burned down several objects of infrastructure, and have made just some amount of explosive for further saboteurs. jack: potential recruits are encouraged to carry out sabotage to prove their worth. then after entering ukraine they must be vetted by the ukrainian intelligence services, including a lie detector test, but one thing they appear not to be checking for is extreme political views. alexander: as for my political views, i would describe them as just conservative. there are guys who would say they are national socialists, anything of this sort. i'm not, i'm just conservative. jack: whether conservative or national socialist, that's how the nazis referred to themselves, the rvc is known for harboring hard right extremists. it is also led by one -- denis

kapustin, a former soccer hooligan and the owner of white rex, a white nationalist mixed martial arts and clothing brand using neo nazi symbolism, connected to white supremacists and neo nazi groups across europe and america. denis: i spoke a lot with the guys who seem to share the same ideology as i do from united states, and they have some sort of a complete obsession with jews. like jews control everything, i don't understand that thing. i don't have a problem with any ethnicity. jack: whether anti semitic or not, he has a long standing hostility towards migrants, particularly muslims. this is him speaking in 2017. denis: 13 years ago i was a just a common street gang skinhead, bashing immigrants in the street, setting their cars on fire. like breaking faces, whole

program. jack: kapustin claims that he is not neo nazi, like at this press conference in june, where he said he would never be found making a nazi salute. yet at this white rex mma event from 2013, we see denis in the white t-shirt cheering russians go forward with the crowd, some of whom are throwing nazi salutes which he then appears to mirror back. the logic of kapustin's politics is that vladimir putin is a multiculturalist and that the rvc represents true russian white nationalism. denis: i know a lot of nationalists all over the world think that, oh, putin is a white power christian leader of the white race, whatever, you know. and i said, guys, you have no idea what is going on in russia. i mean, russia, moscow has the biggest muslims population on

the european continent. jack: whether or not you describe your politics as white nationalist or as neo-nazi, many people watching this would think of that as being abhorrent. can you justify your position? denis: i've said many times already in my interviews, i might be a right wing nationalist conservative or neo-nazi as you label me. ok, might be. but i am right now fighting for democracy right now. i'm fighting for your freedoms as well. we might not be the good guys, but we're definitely fighting for the good cause. jack: whatever the rvc's politics, the ukrainian military has welcomed its help. but the alliance presents some uncomfortable questions. putin's propaganda line is that russia is fighting neo nazis in ukraine. this is overwhelmingly untrue, the vast majority of the forces fighting for ukraine are not far right.

but the rvc's extreme politics lend some crumbs of truth to the kremlin's propagandists, something put to ukrainian intelligence. andriy: i think that today it's obvious to many people in the world that the main neo-nazi and representative of authoritarian ideologies is putin and his regime. many people from different countries are helping ukrainians survive and fight against the russian occupiers. although they might have different views, there are right-wing and left-wing, conservatives and liberals among them, but when they are in ukraine, they have to comply with ukrainian laws as well as the laws and principles of european democracy that ukraine adheres to. jack: but it's on this point, abiding by democratic principles, that is questionable. kapustin shared with pbs newshour candid revelations on how the rvc dealt with a suspected russian spy. denis: we eliminated him. jack: tell me the story.

denis: one person tried to kind of set certain groups against each other and against me. jack: other than the fact that he was trying to overthrow you, what was the evidence that he was a spy? denis: we obviously have our, comrades in russia who do different types of sabotage, infiltration, whether until. in his position he was controlling that type of work. when we got our hands on his cell phones, we found there was a lot of videos of guys sending, evidence of the work. and he never forwarded those videos to us, but he forwarded those videos to some contact. we didn't find out who that was, so that was more than suspicious. jack: how did you kill him? denis: well, that would remain a secret.

but there was no, no torture, no pain. let's put it like that. jack: we asked the spokesman for ukrainian intelligence, known as the gur, about kapustin's claims. during our interview kapustin said that he had eliminated a suspected russian spy from their ranks. was this ordered by the gur? andriy: i don't have information about this case. but many factors should be taken into account, including where exactly on the territory of which state this happened and what the circumstances were. jack: are you concerned that there are potentially extra judicial killings being carried out on ukrainian soil under your watch? andriy: here we're talking not about gur but about the ukrainian security and defense sector in general. any such information must be carefully verified, and there must be an appropriate response from the state. if detailed information about this is provided, of course we

will send the materials for inspection. jack: ukraine is looking for all the help it can get in repelling the russian invasion. but partners like the rvc will continue to give them a pr headache, especially if they operate outside the chain of command or breach of the geneva conventions. for "the pbs newshour," i'm jack hewson in ukraine. ♪ geoff: let's turn to the historic week in politics. to take a deeper look at the first debate of the republican presidential primary and the issues shaping the race, we're joined now by washington post columnist gary abernathy, who is based in ohio, and sarah smarsh. she's a freelance journalist based in kansas. both david brooks and jonathan capehart are away tonight. welcome to you both. let's delve into the issues. the gop presidential candidates

clashed wednesday night over whether the next president should sign into law a federal abortion ban. this is a major issue dividing the candidates, even as all of them identify as pro-life. here is a key exchange. >> when you are talking about a federal ban, be honest with the american people. we have not had 45 pro-life senators in hundred years so no president can ban abortions paired don't make women feel like they have to decide on this issue when you know we don't have 60 senate votes in the house. >> 70% of the american people support legislation to ban abortion -- geoff: why haven't republicans unable to rally around a single strategy on abortion more an a year after they were successful in having the supreme court overturned roe v. wade?

gary: that's a good question. republicans have overstepped on abortion and i think the supreme court was right to send it to the states. nikki haley was right, there is not the votes for a federal ban but there also shouldn't be a move to do the federal ban. that's not what republicans have always said they wanted. this is a states issue and that's where it should remain. nikki haley was very strong in that answer, she did a great job in the whole debate. i thought she was the strongest in the debate overall. she was prepared, her experience as a governor was clear, her experience as a un ambassador was clear and it was a good night for nikki haley and she was exactly right on that answer about abortion. geoff: sarah, you live in kansas and voters in kansas decided last year to keep abortion legal. democrats have pointed to that as evidence that reproductive rights is a winning issue for democrats that they should focus

on in the year ahead. how do you see it? sarah: that's right. kansas held the first post roe vote in the form of a referendum that would potentially have laid the groundwork to strip the state constitutions granting of a right to an abortion. moderates and even republicans joint cats, liberals and progressives, in voting down the referendum and what followed was a number of midterms campaigns in which democrats followed suit , leaning into what i would describe as a strategy of reclaiming the notion of freedom or liberty and applying that to bodily autonomy. it was a winning strategy, the kratz obviously think it is a win for them going forward.

i think what we saw last night, and i agree that nikki haley had the strongest performance -- i think what we saw in that sparring between her and mike pence, perhaps grappling on the right with how to proceed being cognizant of the fact that the post roe lance cap seems to have affected voter behavior in ways that old political models cannot predict. geoff: let's talk about ukraine, because even without donald trump on that stage, the republican's biggest foreign policy fight was around ukraine. >> i think this is disastrous that we are protecting against an invasion across somebody else's border, when we should use those same military resources to prevent across the invasion of our own southern border here in the united states of america. >> they have gouged out people's eyes, cut off their ears and shot people in the back of the head -- men, and then gone into those homes and raped the daughters and the wives who were left as widows and orphans.

if we don't stand up against this type of autocratic killing in the world, we will be next. geoff: that was chris christie talking about russian troops. how and why has support for kyiv become a wedge issue among the gop? gary: it is, because if you look at polling, cnn did a poll a couple of weeks ago showing it it was 55% of americans are not in favor of more congressional aid to ukraine and that broke down heavily among partisan lines. it was like 70% of republicans felt that way. most democrats do support more aid to ukraine. it's like on abortion, they are playing for the republican votes. they are trying to win the republican primary right now and not so much looking at general election questions. they're looking at people like

ramaswamy and others who question how deep we are getting with ukraine. that plays well with the republican base, just like you can't be too pro-life. that's where the focus is out right now. geoff: sarah, how is it democrats in many ways are embracing the reagan doctrine assisting another nation fighting for freedom for regions strategic and moral, as maga republicans are increasingly rejecting it? sarah: i think on both sides of the aisle, you see some interesting fractures and some of those i believe were on display during the debate. among democrats and liberals, there doesn't seem to be a clear line of agreement within the discourse at least, voting might be another matter. what i hear on the ground is a split between a more moderate, typically hawkish version of a democrat and their views and anti-interventionist mode that right now resonates more with the left in a way that strangely

coincides with the far right. it is a highly complicated foreign policy issue to be sure. i think the debate revealed -- to me at least -- that republicans have not coalesced around a single narrative. geoff: on climate change, that is a top issue for young vendors -- young voters. most of the republican presidental candidates did not talk about it but it did come up. >> let us be honest as republicans. i'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so i can say this -- the climate change agenda is a hoax. >> oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. geoff: climate change, it is settled science.

gary, what we make of the varied and evolving ways republicans are trying to address climate change? gary: it's not settled among republicans. again, just like abortion and ukraine, it's one of those issues where what ramaswamy is saying about it plays very well to the republican voters he is trying to win. the washington post just had a poll on i'm a that came out on august 23 where it said republicans and republican leaning independents don't think man-made global warming is responsible for the hot wave we are having, whereas 85% of democrats and democrat leaning independents do think so. again, it is the difference in how strong members of both parties or those leaning one way or the other feel about it and ramaswamy was playing to that base. geoff: sarah, how do you see it?

sarah: i want to tease out some nuance, a distinctn about the way your question was framed and gary's response. climate change itself is among the republicans and right-leaning folks i speak to not so much a matter of dispute, the key is whether it is man-made and that points to weather various regulations and changes in human behavior, specifically consumers, required to remedy it. the moderator said raise your hand if you agree with man-made climate change. i think while that is settled science as far as i know, that seems to be the piece that certainly relates to big business interests and their involvement in that political wing of the national discourse. geoff: donald trump is now the only sitting or former u.s. president to have his mug shot

taken, connected to the criminal trial in georgia. in the couple of minutes we have left, i want to have you reflect on the moment. sarah: it is certainly striking. i think there are really any surprises in the immediate wake of the mugshot release, in that his cult of personality is railing behind it, i believe he is using it already for fundraising purposes. meanwhile, millions of americans are aghast that this person facing all of these indictments and criminal charges is still the imminent front runner. i don't think the mugshot changes anything. it is historic, no doubt, and perhaps the folks who are a little tired of trump who are more on the moderate edges of the electorate will be moved by

it, but it is a symbol or told him that is being embraced by his followers. i've seen avatars inc. switched out for the mugshot among republicans on social media. gary: sarah is exactly right, it depends on what side of the aisle you're on and where you are at politically how it will play. mugshots aren't what they used to be, at least not that one from fulton county where you don't have the height board behind you are holding up the numbers. that is a portrait trump may have set for himself. geoff: thank you to you both, have a great weekend. gary: thank you. ♪ geoff: the glow of spain's first-ever women's world cup championship has been dimmed by a cloud of controversy surrounding the head of spain's soccer federation.

john yang has more. john: geoff, the firestorm of criticism erupted around luis rubiales, the head of spain's soccer federation, shortly after the championship game's final whistle. during the on-field celebration rubiales took midfielder jennifer hermoso's head in both his hands and kissed her on the lips. today, hermoso reiterated that at no time did she consent to the kiss. retiring u.s. soccer star megan rapinoe told the athletic that the kiss and a video of rubiales grabbing his crotch while celebrating in the stands reflected the deep level of misogyny and sexism in the federation -- it made me think of how much we are required to endure. today, rubiales rejected calls for him to resign. >> is it so serious that i need to leave having done the best management in the history of spanish football? do you think i have to resign? well i'm going to tell you something -- i will not resign. i will not resign. i will not resign. i will not resign. [applause]

john: but the pressure isn't letting up. today, the spanish government began proceedings to suspend rubiales. and all team members said they would not play as long as he's head of the federation. christine brennan is a writer for usa today. the spanish team not a stranger to controversy, last year 15 players sat out rather than play for a coach they said inflected -- inflicted emotional distress on them. is there something larger going on here? christine: that's the question. if i am fifa and clearly i am not, but if i am fifa, i'm saying if this is happening in

spain, where else is it happening? apparently this is something that we have no idea but we can only imagine what was going on behind the scenes. on sunday, the world stage, the whole world watching and he felt comfortable doing what he did. the message that sends, and fifa should be setting up hotlines for every nation and women to speak out. i think they have a huge issue on their hands. it can't just be spain. we know that because a year ago, an investigation found rampant issues of abuse and sexism and misconduct in the nwsl in the united states. it's not just spain and the united states. it's about time we had this reckoning. now the world gets a chance to see what these women have been dealing with for many years. john: you said the whole world is watching -- i thought the contrast was striking. around the world, players men and women, are denouncing him. the spanish prime minister denouncing him.

but we saw the men leading the federation applauding him in that video. christine: we did. you have to wonder how much longer this will be acceptable. we know the spanish government, officials spoke out right away on sunday after the forced kiss, or what we might call sexual assault, and they spoke out saying that wasn't acceptable. so the spanish government will have its say and my guess is that robie alice will not be around much longer to run the spanish federation even though he said five times he will resign. i think he's probably shocked by this. he's clearly in living his life a certain way and the world in 2023 is slapping him in the face. it's coming down, this reckoning that you can't get away with what you've done in the past. that's one of the big messengers here -- messages here and let's hope it's heard around the

world. geoff: you talked about fifa has to step up. the weekend before the championship games, the head of fifa told women they have to pick the right battles. you have the power to convince men what we have to do, and the women. what do you make of that? christine: that happens in a few days later you have the forced kiss on the world stage. people are throwing up their hands and sing what on earth is going on in this sport? for the girls and women, millions of them who want to play it, not just in the u.s. and spain, not just in england and germany, in nations that have been good in men's soccer and not good and women's soccer, which tells you a lot about the misogyny and sexism. absolutely, if santino needs to understand this is the 21st century and so far he's been able to get away with stuff like

this, you would never do that at the men's world cup but he did at the women's world cup. you have his comments that were so patronizing. he is the one that can go like this and say the prize money needs to be equal immediately. he could have done it at that moment and he hasn't done that. i think we see the problem loud and clear. geoff: -- john: one of the messages is how women's soccer problem -- programs around the world are flourishing but then we also have things like this going on. talk a little bit about the contrast. christine: there will be books written on this. the week and spain in women's sports, women's soccer, is extraordinary. a watershed moment. what we are seeing is a good thing, a terrible thing. the awfulness is remarkable but

so is the heroism of ginny speaking out as she has. if you haven't read every word, go online and read everything she's head -- she has said and the entire team is on strike. they've got to qualify for the olympics, it's a very big time. the sense that women have a voice and it's time not only for the field but off the field. john: christine, thank you very much. christine: thank you. ♪ geoff: the band the goo goo dolls is on tour again, playing favorites and new songs all while celebrating the 25th anniversary of their breakthrough album "dizzy up the girl." i spoke with the lead band members about innovating while preserving their classic sound for our arts and culture series, "canvas."

♪ i'd give up forever to touch you because i know you feel me somehow. ♪ geoff: "iris," the enduring power ballad off the goo goo dolls' 1998 album dizzy up the girl. the song skyrocketed the band to fame. the album sold over 4 million copies and produced three additional top 40 hits. ♪ so why don't you slide ? geoff: now, 25 years later the band lead's singer and guitar player john rzeznik and bass guitar player robby takac are still performing to sold out crowds. it's the 25th anniversary of "dizzy up the girl." how does that strike you? john: it's kind of like, wow, where did a quarter of a century ago? and i think we lost sight of how

fast we were moving, because as soon as dizzy up, the girl came out that was when we put a big , explosion of sort of success. and we're from buffalo, new york. so you you have pragmatism sort of in your dna. so it was like keep your head down. you get the ball. just keep running until they take it from you. and they haven't taken it from us yet. so i'm not saying. robby: still running. john: still running. still doing this. geoff: rzeznik and takac formed what started off as a punk band under a different name in the late 1980's in their hometown of buffalo, new york. by the late 90's their unique sound and anthemic rock hits made the goo goo dolls a household name. now the band is back in a big way with their out all night tour, hitting 45 cities in support of their newest album "chaos in bloom," here at merriweather post pavilion in

maryland and debuting a new , song. your new song, "run all night," which is about trying to escape your circumstances and not giving up hope. tell me about it. john: i think you pretty much nailed it. that song is very much about not giving up and not letting the terror of the world stop you from from being human. i feel as though there's there's this, this rush to make human beings obsolete. it bothers me. i don't think it's going to work. as much as ai, automation in this stuff, i just believe that the human spirit will win in the end. geoff: despite drastic changes in the music industry with,

streaming new technology, the goo goo dolls say they are still writing songs they same way they always have. robby: you know, we slid under the door of a closing door on a music industry. john: we have the luxury of being able to go out and play live and having a big catalog of songs and that's still great. but i work in a studio in manhattan a lot and there's just writing rooms in there. these young writers who are great. they'll get together with these tiktok kids and it just looks exhausting because it's like they constantly have to have gopro cameras on them. we have to find a viral moment and all this nonsense. it's like, no man, you need to, you need to make an emotional connection. this is all superficial, this nonsense. this is all superficial. what do you got to say? like, when you're not pretty

anymore? [laughter] you better have something to say. and making that emotional connection is the most important thing. geoff: and now they're connecting their old favorites with a new audience. when you look out into your audience who do you see? john: a lot of younger kids, twentysomethings out there, and that is cool. people our age and older. it's a couple of generations of people come out to see it now. and the tours have been getting incrementally bigger despite that break during covid. it's been really gratifying and it's fun to see like a young kid singing your song. the other night we pulled this kid, i think he was 19. he held up this big sign, "can i play guitar on name?" robby: which is tuned in a crazy way. geoff: yeah, i was can ask about that. john: i use a lot of alternate tuning because. people with joni mitchell and stephen stills and jimmy page

and ry cooder and all these people have done this, a lot of blues players, you know, have done a lot of that. and and i was like, wow, i can write songs with one finger and this is amazing. and later i came up with that phony story about being influenced by joni mitchell. [laughter] we were a three piece band at first and i started de-tuning the guitar because i had to play a solo and keep the rhythm going at the same time. it was a way to fill it up so it didn't drop out when i was playing guitar solo. so i would have all these droning strings playing while i was like -- ? geoff: an approach that resulted in a string of megahits with memorable opening cords. -- chords. a number of the songs open with a really simple guitar riff. and then and then sort of the beat drops in.

was that intentional? robby: yeah. i guess you are a bit of a fan. geoff: i am a bit of a guitar player. john: i like to start songs with like a top line or something like that. oh, i know this song. that's kind of how iris is in the beginning and all this other songs that you mentioned. geoff: are there any songs like you're in a groove and it just feels right? robby: yeah. slide is always -- [snaps] we always play that kind of early and like if there's a song that, you know, that the first song everybody knows is that one, you know? john: yeah, i still love that

that, you know, you start playing something, you start playing the guitar riff at the top of the song, which apparently you do in every song. [laughter] know you're going well because you play a ding ding. that's yes. ♪ i never get sick of like, turning the microphone around into listening to them sing. i sat on my sofa at 2:00 in the morning and a guitar and a pen and a piece of paper and like, wrote this song and like to connect like that. that's an amazing thing. that's something ai can't recreate yet. geoff: did you ever did you envision that for yourself 25 years ago, that you would reach this level of success and that it would be enduring? robby: it's it's like any relationship it's going to do , what it does.

i mean but if it's important enough you're going to figure , out how to get to the next day. and people ask how you get a band to stay together for decades like this. i can't answer that, but i can tell you how to do it for a few days and then you just need to keep doing that. you can't stop doing that. all of a sudden it's 40 years. john: it's definitely a day at a time. you know,if you are focused on the work among on the work, which is the creative part of it. learning the idea of do what's best for the song, i'm just lucky that we've been able to last so long. and i think it's just being consistent and just working. geoff: when people think of the goo goo dolls, what do you want them to think that your ultimate message is? john: i think the overarching message in all the songs is, wow, everything is really screwed up, but it's going to be ok. geoff: they are the best.

be sure to tune into washington week with the atlantic later tonight right here on pbs with guest moderator laura barron-lopez. what is on tap? laura: we will discuss the arrest of former president donald trump, and the presidential primary debate. geoff: thank you, we will be watching. and watch pbs news weekend tomorrow, for a look inside an innovative colorado art exhibit sparking collaborations between artists and farmers. >> canadian artist amanda >> using digitally scanned images of wildfires addresse. hanging in the drafty old line, they waive in the summer breeze like flowers in a field. >> it sort of feels like you are out in the field where these plants are growing. >> exactly. she hung them in this space to create a larger-than-life monumental field to plants but also the fabric itself is

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