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narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. announcer: and now, "bbc news". >> i'm lewis vaughan jones, you are watching the context on bbc news. >> i would like to speak about another russian attack in donbas. we understand they are killing civilians on purpose. >> a few months ago in helsinki, i spoke to how president putin's war in ukraine has been, and will continue to be. a strategic failure for russia. >> we don't know what the nature of the projectile was. but the images that have circulated sub quests -- subsequently of the damage done, pretty horrendous. ♪ ♪
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>> in ukraine, 17 people killed in a busy market as the u.s. secretary of state visits the country. here in the u.k., a man suspected of terror offenses escapes from prison, apparently strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery van. the hunt is going on right now. scientists grow a model of a human embryo without a spur more an egg. the rolling stones, their first original music for 18 years with. we will take a listen to the new single. we are going to start in ukraine. the u.s. secretary of state has been speaking in the last half an hour or so, committing yet more money to ukraine. we will get more details on that in a moment.
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i want to come to this attack that has killed 17 people at least. footage of the attack has been posted by the ukrainian government. it is distressing. we are going to play it now. the date of this video suggests it was shot today. the place in question is near the front line -- near -- you can tell it is a busy market town. we have pictures of the aftermath. people trying to rescue those who were wounded, 34 people wounded at least. we don't know the details of what happened, it may be the missile, the artillery shell coming through.
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president volodymyr zelenskyy responded to it. >> i would like to speak about yet another russian attack in donbas. it was an attack in the market, on the shops, the drugstore. i have been there many times before with my team. everyone who knows the place is aware it is a civilian town. there were no military bases there. they do this when an army advances on the front line. russians always attack civilians and civilian infrastructure missiles artillery can reach. we understand they are killing civilians on purpose. >> this has happened while the u.s. secretary of state has been visiting kyiv. in the last half-hour, we heard from him. he's been speaking, committing more money and military assistance. >> that includes $665.5 million
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in new military and civilian security assistance. we committed over $43 billion in security assistance since the beginning of russian aggression. since i was last year almost exactly one year ago, ukrainian forces have taken back more than 50% of the territory seized by forces sin 2022. in the ongoing counteroffensive, progress has accelerated in the past few weeks. this new assistance will help sustain it and build further momentum. >> we have a research fellow at -- school of economics and head of regional conflict studies at democratic initiatives foundation. thank you for coming onto the program. we just heard from antony blinken, more commitments of money and support, what do you make of it? >> yes, it is a crucial signal
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for ukraine. there are a lot of talks about what is next, the ongoing counteroffensive and some kind of behind closed door offers to reopen negotiations with russia at some point. it is a very significant signal. all those appealing to political negotiations that support military support to ukraine to make russian forces withdraw or leave. this is going to be continued. it is crucial because we know that next year is a year of political campaigns in western parts of ukraine. >> is it feeding into the message of political support? that is the importance of the visits? it is not the first time -- and you can argue why not make this commitment just over a phone call, in a press release? you think it is important he physically is in the capital to show that? >> there are a number of issues
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which are in interest for the u.s. and ukraine to discuss hand closed doors. the first issue is the judgment of the assessment of the ongoing counteroffensive, publicly no one had criticized ukraine so far. but there were a lot of signals from experts that -- or the results are not as efficient as some in the west have expected. to have a conversation about that, it was needed for someone to come for an open conversation to the ukrainian president and with the ukrainian government and ministry of defense. the second issue we know, was reluctant about giving ukraine -- they open a clear signal about the invitation to nato membership and made a lot of ukrainian experts and
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politicians be concerned about the motivation of the u.s. some kind of fear that it might be some use to restart a some point negotiations with russia. most are important to have a conversation behind closed doors. >> i understand that, one line in particular. antony blinken said progress has accelerated in the past few weeks. talking about the ukrainian counteroffensive. how much can we read into that? is it just reflecting what we have seen? a few advances in the south through those de mining exercises. is he reflecting what we already know, or should we read more into that? >> i think we will read more into that and find out if he's more into that, especially in the east of ukraine.
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what we know, what is going on in the south. ukrainians have finally broken one of the most significant lines of defense and as of now, a lot of expectations to how it could open. the road to ukrainian forces. the deconstruction and destruction of other defense lines further. so developments are crucial. the developments in the east especially, in the very east are of special attention. >> thank you very much. >> we are going to stay in ukraine. we have an exclusive interview at the ukrainian security service about how it is using artificial intelligence and drones in this conflict.
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here is our security correspondent. >> alongside trenches and artillery, ukraine's war has been one of drones and hackers. that led ukraine's security service to move its teams to the front lines. the direct -- they direct a drone to strike a camera being used to track ukrainian troop movements. in an excuse of interview, the manage of cybersecurity and technology reveals they also hack into russian cameras to collect intelligence. >> using artificial intelligence, their surveillance cameras on the territories, we understand the movement of the troops. we understand which type of military weapons at they are about to use in what direction. >> the security service uses artificial intelligence to track down those responsible for war crimes. >> we use artificial
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intelligence, as well. facial recognition. we get information from cameras, pictures, and understand who was exactly guilty in different war crimes conducted by russian troops, who was the possible spotter. so it was also the use of artificial intelligence. we have thousands that we have found exactly who they were. >> technology has been at the heart of this conflict from the start. in the opening days of the war, russian missiles hit the maitv tower. >> last year, the russians attacked the town, trying to deprive ukrainians of access to truthful information and destroy the infrastructure. >> the missile attack was accompanied by a cyber attack. since then, the man in charge of cyber defense shows me the pace of cyber attacks has been relentless. >> these are serious incidents
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here. >> it is every day -- >> we don't have days off. >> it is often said that wars spur on innovation. this conflict has been no exception. what we have seen in ukraine is an incredible pacby which new technologies have been adopted. nowhere has the pace of a novation been clearer than drones. we hav been asked to keep secret, operators are taught not so much to fly the drones -- drones, but stay alive themselves. risks are increasing closer to the fighting. >> right now, the distance is getting shorter and shorter. because of enemies jamming systems. >> drone operators are on the ont lines with both sides knowing that technology could give them up in a hard-fought war. >> speaking to dr. james rogers,
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thank you very much. let's start with this issue of drones and technological advances. how significant have they been? >> they have been pretty fundamental, in terms of contributing to the effectiveness of the ukrainian forces. what started as very much a donation of hobbyist drones of commercial systems, early on in that war as the russian column made its way towards kyiv to pick out the weak links that lumn. they have moved forward, making far more advanced high-tech systems that move faster, further, and are harder to hack. ukraine says it has one of the largest drone armies on earth. something it is seeking to expand and build upon. >> what other kind of advantages? it can go further, faster, harder, and hack. people talk about artificial telligence a lot, facial recognition, things like that.
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these developments you would have expected. >> these developments we have seen in other high-tech militaries around the world. it is no surprise say the war in ukraine has become a testbed for deploying these high-tech systems in conflicts. but theyave become vital. as you heard in that last report, there is this fusion of artificial intelligence into drone systems. drones are the hardware, ai is the software. you send the drones up into the air and they are preprogrammed to pick out specific targets. the information is then relayed back to the target. those controlling the drones are then processed, picking out important points of intelligence . it is from that you pick the targets through which you direct your artillery or direct the drones armed with mortars, rockets, bombs, improvised
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devices. in essence, it is that detection through the ai of the drone that makes the precision of the strike happened. >> i went to pick up on that. following that logic. at the moment, i presume a human being is at the other end deciding yes or no what to strike. by conclusion, there can be no human involvement at all. >> you touched on a really important point. we have already seen this deployed in conflict. not in ukraine, but in libya. according to the united nations report, we've had similar looking drone systems, specifically a turkish crown, which has the ability to not only pick out the target with its ai vision, but to take that deadly strike. you have drone systems and robotic systems that can take that kill decision, the choice to kill a human being, without a human being in the loop of control.
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that is sadly the future of war, unless we can put legislation in place to stop it. >> an extraordinary chilling point to end on. thank you. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. looking at some other stories making the news. here in the u.k., parts of the country hit 32 degrees c in an unseasonable heat wave. usually september marks the cooler weather. but the forecasters said the mercury could hit levels higr than the middle of summer. heat health alerts have been upgraded. a former advisor has said the commonwealth games was a mistake, given his legacy of financial problems. last summer's event have been a challenge to far from the council.
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urgent talks are taking place after tuesday's announcement. the labor run council is effectively banned. 52 shops due to close because of the collapse. the administrator said 24 shops would close next tuesday with a further 28 to shut down a week tomorrow. you are live with bbc news. we are going to stay in the u.k. the search is underway for a terror suspect who escaped in london this morning. this is the man in question, he's due to face trial for allegedly leaving fake bombs on a military base while he was serving as a soldier. ports and airports have been alerted and the search is
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ongoing. let's speak to greg mckenzie. what is the latest? >> fortunately, escapes from prison are quite rare. only five escapes since 2017. in terms of this individual, he's believed to have escaped having strapped himself underneath a food van that was in the prison this morning. it is in southwest london. it is believed he taped himself underneath it and managed to escape. it is also believed he was dressed in a chef's outfit, potentially taken from the kitchen inside the prison. police have said he's a risk and they are looking for hidden. but he's not a risk to individuals. they have said to the public if you notice this picture here, the advice is to contact the
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police and don't approach the individual. they readily admit he can be anywhere in the u.k., ports are on alert as to airports. heathrow airport, gatwick airport, even as far as manchester on alert looking for this escapee. >> thank you so much. if we get any updates, we will cross back to you. staying in the u.k. the issue of crumbling concrete in schools has been dominating the headlines for a good few days. nearly 150 schools in england are affected. we heard from the prime minister this afternoon, he's acting as quickly as possible. this is all about the type of concrete. it can crumble. there were order to fully or partially shut because of it.
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new analysis has found 13 schools in england containing rack concrete have rebuilding plans canceled backn 2010. taking a listen to the prime minister's questions. let's hear from the prime minister first. >> mr. speaker, i know how concerned parents, students, and teachers are. the government is doing everything it can to fix this quickly and minimize the disruption to children's education. decisively in the face of new information, let me provide the house with an update on where we are with the 22,000 schools in england. the vast majority will not be affected. in two thirds of inspections of suspected schools, it is not actually present. >> that was rishi sunak. we also heard from the opposition labour party leader who said the problem was a result of conservative party cuts. >> the truth is, this crisis is
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the inevitable result of 13 years of cutting corners, it is the sort of thing you would expect from cowboy builders. everyone else is wrong, saying everyone else is to blame, saying they've done a good job even if the ceiling falls in. in this case, the cowboys are running a country. >> as you can see, damien standing by in westminster. what did you make of that exchange? >> it was the first session where the prime minister leader of the opposition faced off against each other since before the summer. they really had this issue to go at each other. what we saw was very clearly the labor opposition leader seizing on this because it was a real
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opportunity. that is to criticize the conservative government for the way it has been running things, but to pin it directly on them as soon as -- when he was chancellor, spending decisions three years ago where he was presented with a plan to refurbish more schools, and if he did not agree to that. that is one thing. but also to expand the attack to not just mr. thune, but tie him into decisions made by conservative governments going back as far as 2010. we heard her saying there has been 13 -- the results of 13 years of cutting corners and botched jobs. we heard later in another debate
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saying it was a fitting metaphor for conservative rule, britain is falling apart, we need nothing short of a natural renewal. that will be the opposition labour party theme heading towards an election about this time next year. from the government side, what we heard was mr. sunak trying to fend it off by saying it was a small proportion of schools, and trying to say he and his government took quick action once the severity of the problem was recognized. the difficulty they had was this question this issue has been around for two decades at least and they want to say there was a school building program that was canceled. the government saying that was a labor program, so it is somewhere where the opposition sees the mileage they can make. >> out in the real world, in the
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schools, this is happening -- having a significant impact for pupils and billing federer unsafe, having to be taught elsewhere, online, is there any sense of when all of this will be resolved from those impacted? >> what the government says is it once things fixed within weeks. pretty quickly. the sense you get from schools is it can take a long time to sort out. the figures released today, 100 schools affected. of those, four have had to send people back. they have sent people home, so it is fully distance-learning like in the pandemic. and another 19 schools have told children term is not starting this week, or it will be delayed.
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i think another 20 odd schools also having some quite serious issues. that is thousands of pupils affected. one thing the government has expressed frustration about is it sent out questionnaires to identify, and they need to respond saying do they have this faulty concrete in their buildings? some have not replied, and there has been frustration about that. the reply has been the schools, they are trying to tackle the crisis. it is an extra thing on top they are struggling with trying to deal with these problems. >> since i got you there, an update about horizon. the european union's flagship science research scheme. was the update we are potentially expecting? >> this is a huge run, science
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research collaboration scheme where countries around the eu and beyond pull money, and it goes into projects that unite researchers around europe and other countries. the u.k. used to be part of it. it left that scheme. what was negotiated at the time was the u.k. would go back in. it was put on hold because of the argument of northern ireland and the way the u.k. was implementing or not implementing the deals. that issue in northern ireland was fixed earlier in the year. on the back of that, this issue appears to be fixed. what we are expecting and see coming is announcement the u.k. will come back in. they have negotiated some sort of special provisions as well. we will wait to see what those are. it was a big plus, particularly for u.k. university science
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institutions, many of which have been really urgently calling on the government to let the two do this deal so they can get back into these research projects and funding. >> thank you for that, we are narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions f america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪
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