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narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. announcer: and now, "bbc news". >> hello. i am christian fraser and this is the context. >> we have got a plan and the plan is delivering and i am determined to stop the votes. >> the government has lost control of our borders and we can see that with the number of crossings there are across the channel. we have to stop that. i think the only way to stop that is to smash the gangs that are running this vile trade. >> the labour party trying to get on the front foot of an issue that rishi sunak has made one of his top five priorities to stop the vote. ♪

christian: care summer moving his tanks into the tories backyard but does he have a plan -- kier starmer moving his tanks into the tories backyard. do his plans stack up? we will talk with a senior officer. the dead are yet to be found in eastern libya but the focus now switching to the thousands of people without homes and atisk of disease. we will hear from the aid agencies on the ground. spare a thought for greece. battered by wildfires, inundated by storms. we will touch on the other disasters. we know what rishi sunak's plan is when it comes to immigration. >> the plan is delivering and i

am determined to stop the votes. christian: so far,t is not quite worked out as the prime minister has liked. tens of thousands of migrants continued to cross the channel each year. they have yet to get off the ground. here starmer came up with a plan of his own. -- kier starmer came up with a plan of his own. >> the only way to stop that is to smash the gangs running this vile trade. christian: he says the people smugglers who are making millions from this trade should be treated like terrorists. he says if he were prime ministerhe would negotiate a new agreement which would include better sharing of intelligence.

bring you plenty of reaction on that story. we are just waiting for one of our guests on the migrant story tonight but let's turn while we wait to the situation in libya. the death toll is being revised upwards, as man as 20,000 people have died and floods that hit the city after buildings were swept out to sea on sunday night. some 5000 bodies have been recovered so far but such was the force of the water which flowed out to see that bodies are strewn up to 10 kilometers along the shoreline. the un's as most of those lives could have been saved if they have been proper weather warnings and an evacuation carried out. quinton reports. collects in the dead of night, they seek sanctuary from rising floodwaters. -- quinton: in the dead of night, they seek sanctuary from rising floodwaters. they flee to the seventh floor of their apartment block. the rising torrent is creeping

up the stairs of their building. her sister films the panic. outside, buildings around them collapsed. they thought this would be the last ones alive. this is their building now still standing. the family survived. >> the men of our building, our neighbors, they were screaming. they told us we have to get on the roof because the water started getting higher and higher. as we were on the roof, we were able to see other people and they were waving with their phones and suddenly, the building collapsed on them. at that moment, we realized that we might die. quinton: a wall of water as high as seven meters founder through, crushing and obliterating much in its path.

some one million tons of it came crashing down on the city. everywhere, there are bodies. an isolated port city has been overwhelmed by grief and for days, they have been left to pick up the pieces alone. now, turkish emergency teams are among the first to arrive. >> we have set up a field hospital very quickly. we assess the situation with our crews and sent our search and rescue teams. we treated trauma patients continuously here throughout the day. quinton: this libyan catastrophe has deep roots after the ousting of gaddafi. the country fell into chaos. promises of western help to rebuild vanished. it has two rival governments. women that used and 1 in the west of the country. a pair of failed states.

neglect is widespread. this is one of the dams that failed amid videos political chaos, warnings that it was an urgent need of repairs went unheeded. >> there was catastrophe. all of my friends are dead. one of my friends at the very beginning was filming from the top of the valley. my friend, he was filming. he died. quinton: a quarter of the city is now in ruins. a third of its people homeless, and thousands dead. but the true scale of the disaster is unfolding still. bbc news. christian:' thes -- u.n.'s meteorological organization said more could have been warned. >> if they had been a normally

operating meteorological service, the emergency management have been able to carry out evacuation of the people and we could have avoided most of the human casualties. we cannot fully avoid economic losses but we could have many -- minimized those losses by having proper services in place. christian: the interim chief for the international organization for migration. this is a key point. what do the authorities do with the thousands and thousands of people who are without homes? the aid is trickling in but is he getting through? >> accessibility is a huge problem. i am now in benghazi. there is a united nations team that is going in tomorrow. our team is already on the ground. they were on the ground already

when hurricane daniel hit and i'm pleased to say that they were not affected. however,hey have lost -- they have been giving me direct information about what is happening on the ground. it's very bad. the city is split into two and as your report clearly said more devastation become. on the east side of the city, there is one working hospital. that hospital has lost its own doctors and nurses so it has lost key personnel. the personnel needs to be replenished as well as the supplies. thhospital is coping with dead bodies. we need to be getting medical services up and running again. christian: you are talking about people with missing limbs, some

horrific injuries. there is the threat of disease as well. you are going to need inoculations, things like that. is that sort of expertise in the city? >> that expertise had to be flown in from tripoli so we have arrived with protection teams, teams of doctors, and teams of people who are getting direct assistance. everything from mattresses right through to key items to survive with along with food. we have been trucking in supplies from tripoli to benghazi overnight to get there. once they get to benghazi, getting in is another issue because the road accessibility is very poor so the logistics are very bad. there is expertise.

our own colleagues are experts. they are medical professionals. they are psychosocial professionals to give psychosocial help to those affected, suffering from trauma. the question is getting the right people into derna. christian: i know there is a port. has that been damaged by the floodwaters? >> report apparently is able to handle -- there is a ship coming in at that as yet unconfirmed so i cannot comment on that. if that port becomes operational, that will be a great help because you can start shipping in supplies. christian: what about the government in benghazi? you say the aid is there. are you getting support from the administration in benghazi? >> absolutely. we have a service in benghazi

which has been up and running. we have been present in tripoli and benghazi so we have the support of the authorities. the authorities have requested the international community to assist and they have offered their cooperation. the onus is upon us to be able to respond in kind. christian: we will have to leave it there. thank you very much indeed for your time. he is with the international organization for migration. we will talk plenty more through the program this evening about the situation in libya and the help that is required. let's go back to our top story. here starmer in -- here starmer -- kier starmer in the hague today. he's seeking some help from the european union. joining me to discuss is the french mep and former mayor for

president macron's party. also with us, steve harvey, former senior officer for euro poll. if i could start with you, first of all, just explain to our viewers what happened post brexit with our intelligence sharing. >> prior to brexit, we had seen this real-time cooperation with our e.u. partners. we had exchange of information with the countries we do business with. the u.k. led on countering people doing human trafficking. a judicial tool designed to fast-track investigations, offer services from another country, and vice versa. after brexit, we lost everything. we had no access to the tools that were provided to us by a membership of the european union and membership of euro pole so we went from taking the fight to

the organized criminals with both hands to turn out to the fight with our hands tied behind our back. christian: in your former role, you were the only one appointed to the high-level advisory group and you drafted the 2011 antitrafficking directive for the european union. when you look at his plan that he sent out today, does it will similar? >> i am pleased that there is a move towards going back to where we were pre-2016. the antitrafficking directive for 2011 was drafted with a view to being a practical tool for practitioners to move away from pure legislation to actually give the investigators the tools to do the job. the group i was part of advised the european commission on the

ground and we put into place every measure that we saw crucial for finding organized criminality at the highest level. christian: just on that issue, i want to bring him in in second, but just on the issue, if you remove one gang, does that get to the root of the problem? as i understand it, it is a bit like whack-a-mole. it is so cheap to supply them that someone else quickly fills the void. >> you are absolutely correct, nail on the head. chstian: don't you need a deterrent? >> that deterrent is effective and proper investigation. providing a hostile environment for traffickers to operate in. the chance of being detected, detained, prosecuted, convicted are unlikely. what we need is if you are a

smuggler or trafficker, you will be identified, you will be caught, and you will be imprisoned. that i a deterrent. it is no good having an operation that lasts two or three days and you take down one particular smuggling gang or trafficking ring. they will be replaced. these organizations are seen by most of the people that are exploited and taken advantage of as service providers. they are service providers because these individuals have no regular migration pathways, no access to leaving a country and entering another country illegally so they go to the service providers so these gangs of traffickers and smugglers have a queue of people waiting for their service so it's not just a one off investigation and a high-profile action date. this has to be constant in the same way as he said that we look to tackle terrosm and drug

trafficking. christian: thank you for that. here starmer --kier starmer, were he to be elected prime minister, wants to be more deeply integrated with euro pole into share a quota of migrants i guess for the pleasure of being more integrated in the european system. is that something that the european union would consider? >> yes, of course. it's important that the u.k. includes or participates through the system of migration management in europe. we see that we have migrants moving from one geographic area, the european unionto the u.k. the u.k. used to be totally integrated in the migration rules and we are on the way for a new package. we hope to adopt it before this

mandate, before june of next year. it is a pity if great britain does not take part because it means more control at the stage of entry and at the same time, more common management of the issues, accelerating procedures, correct accommodation rooms and al returns that are better organized and solidarity in case of a peak of migration so it is a whole set of rules that can make europe more efficient and it is too bad that the u.k. stays on the side. christian: the rules you described are rules for e.u. members. you are aware of the politics in the u.k. the concern is when we talk about this quota, if it is something like 120 thousand migrants a year, if you have that plus you don't top the people smuggling, then you have an increasing level of

migration, which would be politically difficult for kier starmer. what guarantee is there that is the people come across the channel in excess of the quota, that europe will take back that access? -- excess? >> that is not how it works. it is a common management that is planned for europe with 27 existing member states and as you just talked about, we have euro pole fighting against smugglers with very efficient common tools like the joint investigation teams we were just lking about and it is too bad they don't take part. i must say the u.k. is very attractive for migrants. they come into europe without any declaration, without asking for anything, but trying to go to the french coast and to cross the channel, and they are very quickly integrated in the labor market, and this incentive to

come is very strong. europe has defined a common path to better control the 27 member states, and to manage this better. together, this is the aim to it unfortunately, the u.k. is not taking part in these negotiations but if we can start a discussion in some ways taking part to it, that could only improve the efficiency of our common system at 28. christian: thank you very much indeed. we will see what comes of care starmer's meeting with --kier starmer's meeting with president macron. we will take a short break. for our u.k. viewers, let's have a quick look at some of the other stories making news today. the government has confirmed its

support for the introduction of martha's rule which would give hospital patients in england the right to a second opinion. it is named after martha mills who died of sepsis two years ago despite her mother raising concerns with doctors about her treatment. the king's college hospital trust said it was deeply sorry. manchester police have become the latest force to fall victim to a serious data breach create a company was targeted in a cyberattack with the nam and photos of officers compromised. the police chiefs say they are aware of the hack and an investigation has already begun. john lewis says its plan will take two years longer than expected after it reported further losses for the first half of the year. the giant, which also owns waitrose, said rising business costs and larger than expected investment requirements meant its recovery plan would not be finished until 2028.

you are alive with bbc news. we will discuss the issues in the be at the top of the program. it also dumped huge amounts of water across europe and north africa this week. let mehow you a small disaster that is not being so widely covered. this area here on the map is in northern greece. around a quarter of greece's agricultural production is grown on these planes and n, they are underwater. an area nearly as large as new york city. a year rainfall inches 48 hours. it is not just sweet and barley, 30% of the chickpeas, lentils, pistachios. all that will inevitably lead to higher prices in europe. now think back to the pictures in august. the wildfires in northeastern greece which were the worst on european soil in years according to copernicus. stormy daniels certainly put

paint to most of that. when he left greece, the storm turned into a powerful mediterranean cyclone which wreaked this devastation that we now see in eastern libya. joining me to discuss, a climate scientist at the imperial college london. you know, when you put it all together, you start to get a real sense of how our climate is changing and how big the adaptation is going to need to be. paolo: yes, of course. one of the main things about climate change is the enhanced likelihood of extreme events and there are a wide range of extreme events whose likelihood and severity gets more extreme with global warming so we can think of, for example, heat waves, extreme rainfall. those are two typical examples. a warmer atmosphere can hold much more water vapor and that is one of the big drivers of extreme events like what we have just seen so we know for a fact

that storm daniel would have dumped much less rain and less hot world so that is a direct consequence of climate change and prior to that this summer, we had a sequence of major heat waves in the mediterranean and southern europe and that set the stage for the events we have just seen because this me the mediterranean seas very warm, much warmer than usual. over 30 degrees celsius in some places and that provides fuel for the storms like storm daniel that we have just seen. christian: you might have heard the u.n.'s meteorological organization today saying there needs to be better climate forecasting, better advisories for people in affected areas. is this a developing world problem? i just came back from the g20 and they are talking about the money that needs to be put into this sort of system. is that one of the problems at the root of what happened in libya? >> i think what happened in

libya is a complex event with multifactorial causes so of course climate change is one but there was a lack of preparedness, a lack of, you know, solid infrastructure, so these this conspired to lead to the disaster we observed. we know in general that developing countries will be much more vulnerable to the impacts of climate change because they have fewer resources, less able to prepare and adapt to the changes so i think ultimately, it comes down to the idea of a common responsibility among nations. christian: it's a very good example that if you put money in earlier, you make cheaper financing available and you can avoid the much more extensive disasters which result. paolo: absolutely, yes. we need the right policies in place. we need some investment but not taking action is likely to be much more expensive in the long run than paying some money up front to prevent morsevere

disasters later on down the line. christian: on the climate issue, just got a minute left, but are we talking purely about climate change here or is this el niño effect mixed in with these complicating the weather patterns? >> yes, so this is an interesting year because of course we have global warming which is proceeding and temperatures keep rising year on year globally and at the same time, we have this el niño event and we always know it causes some disruption of weather patterns so you have unusual weather, unusual temperatures, unusual rainfall in many parts of the world so what we are seeing this year is a combination of these two events. we have an el niño which has not happened in more than five years superimposed onto this double warming trend. it is just developing and typically, it peaks between december and february so we cannot say exactly what will happen in the next few months but what we can say is that it is likely there's going to be more unusual weather going on

around the world in the months to come. christian: thank you for coming on the program this evening and talkg to us about that. we will get some other thoughts about flood patterns in and around europe later on in the program. they with us. we are going to take a narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪

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