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always talking about not rewarding putin. what is it if not russian provocation? >> they have been reported as moving. ♪ >> in ukraine, united nations is sending investigators to the village. 52 people were killed there. also on the program, ai powered live facial recognition cameras. there are new calls to them to be banned immediately. the winner of the 2023 nobel peace prize is still imprisoned in iran. we look at her campaign for women's rights in the country. as the labour party win in scotland, what does that mean for their chances in the next general election? welcome to the program.

we are going to start in the small village. our correspondent has made it there. a warning, the details of the story are distressing. 52 people were killed yesterday in the attack. every family in the village has been affected. take a look at these drone pictures showing the local café. the gathering was there apparently because it was a wake after a funeral. that is why so many people were in one place. the local prosecutor is saying this was a deliberate attack by russia. u.n. human rights officials say there is no military targets here. it is the deadliest missile attack in ukraine and more than a year. russia insisting that russia does not target civilians. let's look at where this is happening in east ukraine. it is not far from the front

lines, as our reporter now explains. reporter: as you can see, a memorial has been set up in the middle of the blast zone where the missile hit yesterday. we are in a playground where most of the bodies were recovered. eerily, the swings and the slide are still standing. it is a tiny settlement. it feels very strange to see so much destruction in somewhere so small. you can see vehicles caved in by the sheer force of the blast. such is the power generated. it is not immediately obvious. a lot of the debris has been cleared to the side. you can see a fridge, air conditioning units, twisted metal. signature signs of a missile strike. and here, you have the building that was directly hit. a café/shop where a funeral wake

was taking place yesterday for a ukrainian soldier. as far as the prosecutor for this area is concerned it was a deliberate attack by moscow. the use of a ballistic missile which is fairly accurate, reinforces that claim. for now, you just have a scene like this in the village of 300 and impacts everyone here. it goes far beyond this scene of devastation where once again we see civilian areas, civilians themselves, targeted by russian missiles. there is debris like this dotted around. it is heavy, dense metal. it is quite a sight for a village so small. >> really haunting details from

james, our correspondent. we are going to stay with the conflict in ukraine but had south to occupied crimea. there have been reports of oer developments. you can see occupied crimea to the south. there have been reports the black sea fleet, russia's black sea fleet, have been effectively on the move, moving away from its long-term able base there. bbc has not been able to independently confirm any of this but we have had satellite images and intelligence reports are now suggesting the fleet has been moving to try and establish what is going on, we can speak to patrick, senior lecturer insecurity at the university of bath. thank you for coming on the program.

as i said, we don't have confirmation of exactly what is happening around the occupied crimea. what is your understanding of what has been happening? >> over the summer and in the last month especially, ukraine has been tightening the screw on crimea, especially on the black sea fleet. we know it has the u.k.-supplied storm shadow missile being used on the attack against the black sea fleet in september, september 22. we also have had an attack on sebastopol against a submarine and another ship damaging it. we have had numerous attacks against the missile defense systems on the peninsula used to protect the black sea fleet. you take all of these things together, and the fact there have been ras with areal and maritime drones that have also been successful, the black sea fleet is obvious he coming more pressure. -- obviously coming under more

pressure. reports both are leaving and going eastward make sense because if you are a commander, you would realize there are gaps in your coverage. the radar station was hit as well. therefore, you cannot guarantee the safety of these assets. >> what is the significance of taking a step back? >> the black sea fleet by its name is there to control the black sea and it has been stopping getting grain exports over which has been fairly successful. the boats that get in cannot carry as much grain out. there have been some efforts and some running of the blockade by the ukrainians but it has not been near the levels of export they usually expect. by pushing the black sea fleet

back, ukrainians hope they can get their economy going better. it is still of the occupied lands were they produce the grain that are still taken, but they have a lot of grain they are trying to distribute through other means that will help them get it out that way. >> i want to ask you about our correspondent james waterhouse and his reporting at the top of the program. really distressing, unimaginable for what that small village is going through with so many people killed. we have this back-and-forth and forth now, local officials saying this was a deliberate attack from russia. russia saying they do not attack civilians. getting to the exact truth will be difficult. what is your assessment given the location of theillage? >> it is highly likely it was russia. you've got to remember russia's way of managing the message, disinformation, is to divide and

later we would expect a different semi possible explanation for this. that is how they deal with these issues. if it was a missile, they have a high degree of accuracy. it looks like it was fired at a crd outside a café. then somebody decided to do that, one would imagine, especially when you take into account that this was a wake for a ukrainian soldier's family. and also, this town had not been shelved before even though it is close to the front line. people were probably more open to taking a bit of risk because it had not been shelled so they had a large crowd to aim at. it indicates the air defense around the ukrnian cities cannot go to the villages near the front line. >> always good to get your expertise. thank you for talking us through

that. thank you. we come back to the u.k. now to talk about facial recognition technology because there are calls for the police and private companies to stop using it straightaway. these calls come from m.p.'s and privacy campaigners today. let's take a look at how this works. live facial recognition cameras can scan people's faces when they are out and about in public. then they can use artificial intelligence, ai, to compare the images it has captured of people with a watchlist or database available to it. it is a controversial technology with plenty of different arguments on both sides. we can speak now to the director of the campaigning group big brother watch and the senior lecturer in ai, artificial

intelligence,. thank you both for coming on the program. let's start with bird rather -- big brother watch's perspective on this. what is the problem with this technology? >> this is a privacy altering technology that changes the shape of the society in which we live. it can violate our rights to privacy and protesters' rights. it also takes up significant police resources. so far, they have not had much success using it. from a human rights point of view, trying to prevent discrimination, this is a technology that has enormous potential to do real harm. in fact, it already has. i regularly watch the police using live facial recognition and see disproportionately they misidentify young black boys in london.

this is something that certainly needs a wider democratic debate, parliamentary scrutiny, before it is something used at the scale it is currently being used. that is what all the parliamentarians and race and rights groups are calling for, an urgent stop whilst these things are considered. >> interesting. a broad general point on privacy but also a specific criticism and part of that bias and its failures in certain instances. what do you make of those arguments? >> thank you. there are so many things mentioned right there. i will try to address some of them. i think whether the technology should be banned should be out of the question. i do not think there is strong evidence to ban the technology which has shown to have significant benefit in terms of enhancing public safety and

police investigation of crimes. i don't know where she got the data about the police use. in the u.k., police have been successful arresting people suspected of violent crimes using facial recognition. after having studied several deployments, researchers from the university of cardiff have concluded the evidence suggests the technology contributes to police identifying persons of interest they would otherwise have not been able to do. i have studied multiple deployments by myself. there were a number of arrests made using the technology. i think the technology has benefits in terms of enhancing public safety. but privacy violation is of

course a concern. privacy rights as we know is not an absolute right. >> let's put that right. we have the right to privacy of course but it is not absolute. there are cases where this is proving successful in keeping us safer. >> first of all, i want to say the case for a ban on life facial recognition is such a strong one. it is such a strong one that the european union is currently passing a ban. that is the trend in the democratic world. that is what many american institutes have done. it is something serious the u.k. should be looking at. in terms of the success rate and accuracy, the police publish data. the police proactively publish the figures. the cardiff report referred to also found a very high degree of inaccuracy. you are right.

there have been a small number of arrests but bear in mind that millions and millions of pounds have been spent on this technology that went it is deployed there are 20 or so police officers out with ipads looking at screens waiting for matches. in terms of the input to the game, it is not there. at a sporting event recently in north hampshire, almost 500,000 bases were scanned, 400,000 people had their faces scanned and there was not a single match. privacy is not an absolute right but you have to be proportionate about how you do things. to have that level of intrusion to the public like they are in a police lineup is extraordinary. we see it in china, russia, and saudi arabia. i don't think we should see this in britain. >> what do you make of that? do you have concerns about that number of people's faces being scanned like that?

>> thank you. i think in light of the fact this technology is used to investigate crime and identify usually violent offenders with outstanding arrest warrants or in some cases to locate vulnerable perso such as missing children, infringements upon our privacy is something we should be able to live with. in the first place, this technology is deployed in areas where the public are likely to have low privacy expectation. they are not being deployed in areas such as schools, health care centers, religious centers, or any other gathering places where the public have high privacy expectation. these are simply public squares. there is nothing suggesting to

the police individuals in these places [indiscernible] are [indiscernible] [indiscernible] i think saying it is intrusive is an overstatement. also, we knowhere are some limitations to the technology's capability. it does not record and save our facial images for personal data, only persons that are matched, the faces of persons that are matched are saved on some kind of database. the others are deleted automatically. i think privacy infringement is overstated and security outweighs it in this case. >> it is a crucial debate to be having. thank you both very much for coming on. i want to give the home office statement on this. it says government is committed to making sure police have the tools they need to solve and prevent crimes and keep people

safe. facial recognition, including live facial recognition, and that has been confirmed by the courts. a crucial debate that will keep ranging no doubt. around the world and across the u.k. u.k., this is bbc news. let's look at other stories now. a man has appeared in court charged with plotting to kidnap and murder one of britain's best-known tv presenters. he was remanded in custody. i tv said it is providing full support to her and her family is distressing time. the world college of nursing is urging government to scrap an increase in the cost of the visa which they warn will make the u.k. a less attractive place to work. the college says the increase may make nursing unaffordable. the most vulnerable children

will be living with the long shadow of the covid experience for the next 10 or 20 years according to the former children's commissioner for england. on occasions, the government decisions are incoherent and work indifferent to the impact on children. you are live on bbc news. thanks so much for your company. next, we will look at the nobel peace prize. iranian human rights activist remains in jail is this year's winner. she has been arrested 13 times, convicd on five occasions, and is currently serving a 31-year prison sentence. we have interviewed her husband

and son. take a listen. >> how do you feel about her having won the nobel peace prize? what was your feeling when you heard the news? >> i was in class. i could not show much emotion. >> but what went through your mind? >> i was very happy and felt proud of my mom. it took a few moments for me to come to terms with it. at the beginning, i was just happy and proud of my mom just like i am always. like yesterday on the day before that. this award longs to iranian people. it is because of the protests. >> when did you last talk to your mom? >> about a year and six or eight months ago but s is always in my heart read >> if you could talk to her now, what would you say? >> mom, i am very proud of you. be brave like always. i love you very much. take care of yourself. we are proud of you and always stand behind you. >> what about you? >> when e announcer said

women, life, freedom, i knew the award would be given to her. it made me glad. but i've gone through many up and down's in my life. i know this prize apart from being -- bringing joy to the receiver will carry a lot of responsibilities with it. the prize belongs to women, life, freedom, which is a huge movement in iran and continues to exist. it makes me very happy. it is the biggest prize one can receive as a human rights activist. formerly, she had received the prize. she made huge efforts. i hope those efforts can create unity among those fighting in around in order -- in iran. it is not easy but i believe it can be done. we have witnessed the changes that have happened in iranian

society. the women, life, freedom movement has sead like veins in the body of iranian society and should connect to the main arteries to reach a decisive point in an effort to achieve freedom. we hope the international community will pay more attention to the struggles of the iranian people. >> let's speak to the bbc's chief international correspondent. thanks very much for coming on. it is certainly going to be shining a light on what has been happening in iran. what do you think the symbolism and significance of this is? >> i am sure many of our viewers have been touched by that interview we just saw of her son and her husband who himself has served more than 14 years in iran's notorious prison. a mixture of both pride and

pain. her 16-year-old son and his twin have not been in their mother's arms for about eight years. as he said, he ha not spoken to his mother for more than a year. they are now in exile in france. but they were so quick to say this was an award not just for their mother who has suffered tremendously by spending so much of her life inrison, but it is for all of the women of iran. that is what the nobel committee said as well. this was to her for being a campaigner against women's oppression, a fight for, a lifelong fight for human rights. and of course, there has been a wave of appreciation among iranian activists, women campaigners, citizens in iran, expressing appreciation and congratulating her sacrifices

for such important causes. but also saying this has inspired them, that this will give more momentum to their fight for greater rights for women in iran and also in the broader struggle for human rights. it should be said that the official reaction from iran was this was just an example of w the nobel peace prize had now been politicized, is being used by western nations to pursue foreign policy. indeed, it could have the opposite effect. that the iranians will crackdown even further. >> there have been calls for her release to be able to attend the ceremony. the chances of something like that it is imagined are almost zero. >> yes, it is not the first time the nobel committee has given the prize. it is one of the world's most important prizes, if not the most iortant price when it

comes to these sorts of bravery and commitment by human rights defenders, campaigners for peace. it is not the first time it has been given to people in detention. it would be highly unlikely. one should not rule it out but it would be highly unlikely. she did have a furlough where she was allowed to go home in iran on at least one occasion. but given what the iranians have said so far about the award, it seems quite unlikely. of course, it comes at a very sensitive moment in iran. just a few weeks ago mark the one-year of the start of what had been an unprecedented wave of protests across iran. women-led protests sparked by the death in custody of the 22-year-old curtis iranian woman

who was allegedly detained for improper clothing in the eyes of the virtue and vice police in iran. >> thank you so much for providing us the context and background. thank you so much for coming on the program. that is just about it. i will be back in a few minutes time. stay with us. this is bbc news. bye-bye. ♪ narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪

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