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continue. they will bring back and work so that all hostages come home. there will not be a cease-fire until all hostages come home. >> the pickup was driving inside the gaza strip and people were shouting and celebrating and spitting on her. it was terrible. >> they are reassessing everything. not just relations with the palestinians but also with arab countries they thought they were getting closer to and are now condemning everything they are doing in gaza. ♪ >> on the seventh of october, 1400 people mostly civilians were killed in a moment of unspeakable carnage that turned the middle east upside down. we will hear from three tormented mothers whose children were snatched by hamas and are
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still being hostage -- being held hostage. the world health organization says the level of death and suffering is hard to fathom. more than 10,300 people have been killed in gaza according to the hamas run health ministry including within 4000 children. with us tonight, the is government spokesman. we'll hear from the palestinians in the west bank and the charities supporting the doctors on the front lines in gaza. good evening. there was a mines silence in tel aviv where a giant table was set for 240 people. the number of hostages is rarely's and foreigners still being held inside the gaza strip. four weeks of intense bombardment and reprisals. the israeli defense minister says israeli troops are in the heart of gaza city with one target in mind. hamas. their infrastructure, their commanders, their bunkers.
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a month on from the terrible events of october 7, gaza city is now cut off. trish show hundreds of palestinians, rhaps thousands on the move. hosted them on foot and many of them trying to get south across front lines. not that the south is the safe zone. there were dozens reportedly killed by israeli airstrikes in the cities well south of gaza city. the pressure is mounting for a humanitarian pause. barely 30 trucks made in yesterday. for now it is being resisted by the war cabinet and the israeli prime minister who says force is the only answer. >> there will be no general cease-fire in gaza without the release of our hostages. as far as tactical pauses, have had them before. i suppose we will check the circumstances in order to enable the humanitarian goods to come in or individual hostages to leave.
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but i don't think there is going to be a general cease-fire. it will hamper our efforts to get our hostages out because the only thing that works on these criminals is the military pressure we are exerting. > the israeli government believes there are 240 hostages in gaza. four have been release one israeli soldier was freed. hamas claims they do not hold all those who were kidnaed october 7. a statement that must be treated with caution. their other groups operating in gaza. we are into that part of the battle where the israeli troops are moving into the tunnels. today, israel's bombing raids have intsified. further north, israeli troops have encircled gaza city, the main base of hamas. from jerusalem, our correspondent sent of this report. >> hamas released a video of their men fighting in the streets of gaza. they know they cannot win a battle so they are using hit and
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run tactics. that will intensify as israel's tanks and troops move deeper into gaza city jade an israeli strike in southern gaza, they were looking for survivors. the town is in the area israel have told palestinians to go to stay safe. but nowhere is safe. israel says this is self-defense. palestinians call it genocide. ahmed had 27 members of his family inside the house when it was hit. >> this is the river. they showed their might and power against civilians. kids inside. >> it is the mighty vengeance promised by israel's prime minister when hamas attacked a month ago. in tel aviv at the empty table set for the hostages in gaza, friends and family mounting a 24 hour vigil. the national trauma israel suffered is not lessening.
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they are reassessing everything. not just relations with the palestinians but also with arab countries they thought they were getting closer to and who are now condemning everything they are doing in gaza. and there is the issue of the safety of jews in places around the world where the palestinians get a lot of support. even though israel is more secure than a month ago, many more people are out and about, a real sense of threat not just from gaza remains. israel insists the force and not negotiations will bring the hostages back. this woman's family hopes she was a hostage until she was confirmed dead a week ago. friends filled her family home with portraits. she was at the music festival that was attacked. >> we got this horrible video that was shown all over. a friend of us sent it to us.
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he said i recognize her. is this her on the pickup truck? >> this is where she was face down. >> she was in a weird position. looks unconscious. blood on the head. people were -- the pickup was driving inside the gaza strip. people were shouting and celebrating and spitting on her. it was terrible. we were just in shock. >> do you think israel is doing the right thing? >> i don't know what in the end it will be because there are many innocent civilians also there. they should not suffer. but there needs to be something radical with the terrorist to be done because if not we will be back in this in the next few years. they will get the weapons again and they will train again. >> israel's pounding of gaza has not stopped. neither has its rage diminished. jeremy bowen, bbc news in southern israel.
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>> let's week joy diplomatic correspondent paul adams in jerusalem for us this evening. and we talk first of all about the identification of those murdered a month ago in southern israel? how far along are the authorities with that? have they fully accounted for everyone who is missing? >> not entirely. and every now and again, we get an adjustment of the numbers. we had not had significa adjustments in the last few days which suggests to me the israelis are getting close to knowing are -- knowing who our hostages, who is known to have died and still missing. there is the groups to missing. it would not surprise me if we would see further changes in the days ahead. there are teams still going through some of those areas that were set alight after the attacks. sometimes theyre finding clues to people who may or may not be
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missing. it is still an evolving picture. the numbers involved were huge. >> there was some suggestion hamas does not have all the hostages and the group itself does not have a full accounting of how many there are and where they are in the gaza strip. has that been independently verified and how does that affect the operation on the ground? >> not independently verified, no. but if you look back at the pictures from that day, it was clear that in addition to thousands of hamas armed men, there were perhaps equal thousands of followers if you like. the youth who piled in across the board and participate -- across the border and birsa paid in the violence and the abductions. some of those pictures of people being abducted were clearly being abducted by regular young guys. the feeling has been that hamas
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certainly holds a significant number of hostages but that other factions also hold some and some may be held by small groups of private citizens. i suspect in the immediate aftermath, there was a certain amount of consolidation. and effort by hamas to locate, maybe take control of people who had not initially been taken by their own men. i think it is still quite a comple picture. not i suspect that hamas does not have complete control over everybody. it is a very large number of people. a completely unprecedented number of hostages. >> in terms of diplomacy, prime minister netanyahu has been giving his first sit-down interviews to western media. he has talked about the israeli troops being in gaza indefinitely. there is been some reaction from the white house. what it has t reaction been in israel? >> i think there is great
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uncertainty about where this is going. some of the recent polling suggests a significant majority of israelis are unclear about the government's final aims. in some ways, what mr. not yahoo! -- what mr. netanyahu said to american television was the obvious. when the campaign isver, it is going to be the israeli military in control of the gaza strip and the question is for how long should it is not just going to pull straight out again. that gets us into the question which is only beginning to be discussed in any detail of who on earth is willing to take control of gaza when this war is over. will involve the palestinian authority-based up road in the west bank? will involve arab peacekeepers, the u.n., local tribal chiefs in the gaza strip? no one frankly has the faintest idea right now. lots and lots of people are racing to come up with ideas.
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>> paul adams in jerusalem. thank you for that. we are going to go to a short break with the other side of the break we are going to talk to three mothers sitting with me in the studio who are all missing children. 32 of them currently in gaza. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. before we talk to those mothers, let's focus on the situation in gaza. our correspondent told us about the further israeli airstrikes that have been there in the south. >> one month on, hamas able to fire rockets. fighting going on in eight different fronts in gaza especially in the northwest and southwest of gaza. israel ground operation has been expanding. the grip around gaza city has been tightening. the humanitarian situation is a catastrophe of hunger. i was talking to a father of nine. communication is very hard.
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time to time we catch someone. he said i have no food. i have no water. there is no clean water. all of the aid coming from egypt which is very little according to the u.n., not reaching those who live in gaza city and the north. here in the south, it is less airstrikes but the struggle to find food -- >> you're watching bbc news. no words can ever capture the horror of what unfolded october 7. people murdered at a concert, burnt alive, children shot in their beds. those crimes framed the ferocity of the israeli response. imagine enduring all of that killing and being carried away at gunpoint to be held indefinitely in a tunnel, in bunker underground that shutters daily under sustained attack. put yourself in the minds of the
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parents who survived and were helpless to stop it. there are thousands of family% members suffering on all sides. look at the pictures. look at the faces. imagine the loss. the grieving. the desolation. imagine the not knowing. like thomas who was told his daughter emily age eight had been murdered while on a sleepover. and at the time he said he was relieved she had not been taken hostage. grateful his little girl was dead. he told the world and now he is being told she could yet be alive. >> strong possibility she is in gaza being held captive. now it is hope. we can only hope we get her back alive. it is her birthday this month. she will still be there living in terror everyday. we just want her back.
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we want to see her again. we want to love her again. hug her again. kiss her again. never let her out of my sight again. >> with me in the studio three brave women, three mothers going through that same torment. waiting for news of her husband and a 12-year-old son. boys 16 and 12 still missing. and her two children 16 and 12 and their father who we also think is in gaza. thank you for being with us and i'm sorry it is under such difficult circumstances. let me start with you. tell me what happened to you on october the seventh. >> at six :00 i the morning we woke up. there were many alarms. we heard many rockets.
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we know what to do in this situation and we went to the safe room. we had a problem with the door. we could not close it was set inside trying to be very quiet. it was difficult to do because i have a small baby. she is one years and eight months. two other children. we set like this for two hours. very fast, something else happening. something we don't know. we started to hear gunshots. gunshots from outside on the windows, on the walls from outside. we started to hear sounds. people talking outside. we smelled things burning. weeard things breaking. we were terrified.
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after two hours, my husband decided to go outside the safe room and to shut the door on us. this was the only way to close the door. so went outside and waited. he told us from outside he loves us. we told him we love him. at about 10:00, the terrorists entered our house. they shot him. we heard him screaming. we entered the safe room. four hamas terrorists with uniforms armed entered. me and my three children were sitting close to each other. they started to shout at us in arab. they said, in english.
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i understood they wanted to take us to gaza to kidnap us. i told my children to scream. maybe the army will come to save us. all of us were screaming. but the army was not there. after a few minutes, one of them pointed at us with his gun and told me i shoot. he did not leave us any choice so we went out of the safe room. we saw him sitting outside bleeding, injured. he told us he loves us. he told us to go with the terrorists. i tried to save my baby. i put the baby. i thought they would let me leave her there. but they did not. they took her. they pushed us out of the house.
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they asked me for my car. they wanted us to go with mcar to gaza with them. when we went out of the house, i sell everything was running. everything was on fire. everything. so i told one of them the car is burning. we waited outside. they were filming us. i was begging them to leave the children. to let them go and take only me. but they did not listen. then two motorcycles were coming. they took my boy. he is 12. the first motorcycle. one of the terrorists holding my baby was sitting on the motorcycle. me and my daughter were sitting on the other motorcycle with two
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terrorists. luckily my baby was crying. they gave me the baby. he was in front with the terrorists. me and my baby were sitting on the second motorcycle. we started driving. it was destroyed. big horror. what was very shocking was there were hundreds of terrorists in our kibbutz. not just terrorists. there was also citizens from gaza that came to destroy, to burn and to loot everything they could. i still children with televisions. everything they could they took. they started to go to gaza. hundreds of people going on the main roads to gaza.
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we with two motorcycles were driving through them. very near to gaza, the army had arrived. >> two tanks. >> tanks. they were driving wildly. the terrorists were starting to run everywhere. our motorcycle was falling. this was the last time i saw my son. his motorcycle. i had seen him going through gaza. >> you have not had any contact. >> any contact, any news from him. >> is thathe same for you? >> your children please stand by. were take -- is that the same for you? your children were taken. you were away from the house. >> they were sleeping alone.
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12 and 16. you said they are missing. they are not missing they were kidnapped from their safe home from the place they live in from their beds on a saturday morning. try to imagine, anyone, try to imagine your children sleeping in their beds. waking up to an alarm which is scary enough as it is when you are alone at home and realizing there are terrorists walking freely outside. that was the situation. about an hour after the attack started, we started getting text messages from other members of the community. live in a small communal community, kibbutz. saying there are terrorists walking outside freely. and the show bob you were talking about earlier. the boys told me they hear gunshots outside.
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i started reassuring them it is the army coming to save them. and at a certain point they were on the phone to me about two hours after this all started. they whispered to me on the phone. my youngest who is 12 said there are people coming in. he was whispering. there are people walking in the house. >> they were there on their own. >> they were alone. in the so-called safe room. they were having to make these decisions themselves. >> i was there with them on the phone but yes. their father was in a different safe room and i was in a different safe room. their father was shot. their father called them to get some help. i tried to get some help sent but it was in vain. all the houses were in the same situation at the time. as i said, i heard them saying
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someone has broken in and two minutes later, i heard on the phone people speaking in arabic and the door went open. the last thing i heard, my youngest boy saying to me on the phone a month ago. that was my last call from him. he was begging for them not to take him. he said i am too young to you cannot take me. you can't take me. i am too young. they took him. they are not missing. they were kidnapped from their home. >> you said imagine what it is like. i can actually. i have two children myself and i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine what that is like. >> it is beyond imagination. >> five members of your family were taken. your mother, 80 and your niece were murdered. so you know that. you have not had time to grieve because your children and their father are all missing.
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kidnapped. what do you want the israeli government to do? mr. netanyahu thinks force is the best answer and he thinks there should not be a humanitarian pause. i wonder what you think of that. >> i think one thing. i am a mother. i cannot give solutions. i cannot give a point of view about the army shared i am a mom. i can say one thing. i want my chiren back. it is the only thing i can say. seventh of october, my family break apart. it is a black day. it is a hell day. five members of my family have been kidnapped. two ofhem been murdered already. my mom she was 80 years old
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wonderful, sweet, warm dear lady. my niece, she was a miracle girl. autism, special needs girl. they have been murdered. as you said, i don't have the time to grieve. i did not go to the funeral because i had to fight for the one still alive cared for my two children. 12 years old. sweet sensitive fragile young boy. my daughter, beautiful, 16 years old girl. teenager girl and their father. i have to fight for them and i want them back. narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james.
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