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operational independence of the police attacking their impartiality in the crudest most partisan ways. >> we have seen a number of others do the job. we don't want to second-guess. >> in this country politicians don't have day-to-day direct control over the police. they cannot tell people who to arrest. i cannot tell which protests must be policed and in what manner. >> this is very dangerous rhetoric. i am amazed it's not being spoken to very seriously if not sacked. christian: since she first stepped into the job the home secretary has had a license to speak her own mind. tonight her job is on the line.

officials in downing street say her criticisms in the times newspaper of the uk's most senior policeman have not been signed off by number 10. we get reactions back from political editor chris mason and we speak to a former member of the police. tonight the wing of the palestinian jihad group in gaza released a video of two israeli hostages. an elderly woman, and a young boy. the white house says it has assurances from israel there will be daily humanitarian part is to allow civilians to escape fighting and let more aid in. good evening. now we know number 10 did not sign off on the home secretary's article when she criticized the commissioner of the metropolitan police for the way he handled row palestinian protests. the office suggested but ignored some proposed changes.

did she defy the prime minister? downing street appears to have confirmed that the case. this is what she wrote "i don't believe these margins are merely a cry for help for gaza. they are an assertion of privacy by certain groups, particularly islamists of the kind we are more used to seeing in northern ireland. unfortunately, there's a perception that senior police officers play favorites when it comes to protesters. " she claimed aggressive right-wing protesters were rightly met with a stern response, while pro-palestinian mobs were largely ignored. in an urgentuestion in the comments this morning the home secretary accused sue-ellen cassiana braverman of actg in the crudest and most partisan ways. >> where is the home secretary? the policing minister refuses to repeat her words because we saw

her words this morning attempting to rip up the operational independence of the police, attacking their impartiality in the most rude and partisan ways, deliberately undermining respect for the police and -- at a sensitive time when they have an important job to do, deliberately sinking -- seeking to create division around remembrance that the policing minister rightly said should be a time for communities to com together and pay respects. she is deliberately inflaming community tension in the most dangerous way. she is encouraging extremists on all sides, attacking the police, when she should be backing them. it's highly irresponsible and dangerous and, no other home secretary would ever have done this. christian: therein lies one of labor's favorite lines of attack that rishi sunak is weak. this is what they released today. spineless.

number 10 says they are throwing their full weight behind the home secretary creed let's talk to political editor chris mason. good to see you. we know in the past downing street has distance itself from sue-ellen braverman's comments but seemed disingenuous. this time the anger seemed real. the question is, what do they intend to do about it? chris: it is interesting what the prime minister now does. first, there is the whole issue of the home secretary undermining the boss. step away from politics and the home secretary and the downing street spokesman on all that -- and all that stuff and put it in your own world. if you went to work and chose to undermine the boss, then you did undermine the boss, then you publicly humiliated the boss, would that leave your job security prospects enhanced or diminished? i don't need to answer that

question. then, there is the separate issue connected. that is the whole thing around what she said in this article. the language in this article. as you were saying a couple minutes ago, the home secretary has been licensed to say stuff that other cabinet members did not want to say or would never say. how do we know that? well, she is still in the job. so, that license has existed. up to a point, if expressed with not too much frequency, every couple months or whatever, it's probably useful to rishi sunak. because of the home secretary tends to speak in a language ordinary people might be comfortable with and use it himself ret -- use themselves rather than political language and language a sizable chunk of conservative back ventures would also like and regard as something that would resonate with them. but when you start saying stuff that leaves your colleagues'

jaws on the corporate several times -- carpet several times over a fortnight, that gets trickier downing street. especially if some of that is stuff you explicitly asked her not to say and she said anyway. christian: the previous example was when she talked about banning homeless people from using tents on the street, and now th. there is speculation in the conservative media that she wants to be sacked because she has never made any secret of her leadership aspirations. can you talk about the politics behind that? why would you not want to be in the cabinet? what did the prime minister -- does the prime minister have to take into consideration in mind of that? chris: it is worth not taking those bits of interpretation too literally. let's be clear. does sue-ellen braverman when i have aspirations to lead the conservative party? yes, her ambitions are real. but she is also no holding one

of the great offices of state as home secretary. she might aspire to be the conservative leader. but, in what circumstances might that potentially come about? it will come about if the conservatives lost the general election. if they wrote to -- were to win the general election -- which at the moment seems unlikely -- rishi sunak what carry on as prime minister. in a world where conservatives lose the election is she likely to want to be the next conservative leader? quite possibly. who are the conservatives mp's from whom the short list of two is then chosen from conservative party membership? that depends on the election result. there is a lot of imperfect ability -- unpredictabi aroundl all that and right now sue-ellen braverman representsity arown jewel of politics. yes, she has long-term ambitions. but to what extent does she want

to throw away a brilliant job now for the prospect of a job you might say is not as good, leading the opposition, often seen as one of the toughest, most unforgiving, thankless jobs in british politics? and it is the only -- only the prospect of that, because there is no guarantee it would happen. i think we should in the first instance make an obvious point. why is sue-ellen braverman saying a lot of this stuff? because, she believes it. it is what she thinks is an authentic articulation of her particular brand of conservatism. if it helped burnish the prospects of a job she aspires to in the future as well, then, that is a perfectly good coincidence of two things. so, i don't know. as we analyze her motivations, don't overlook the obvious. christian: one other aspect of the prime minister's consideration. obviously, he would want to avoid looking weak.

we don't know. maybe he has considered sacking his home secretary, given, as you said, that she has undermined his position. one thing that will be on his mind is when he comes to the next election, immigration is one of the key issues. he has to show the base that he is prepared to be tough on illegal migration and he knows that sue-ellen braverman's sometimes provocative comments on rwanda, boats, tents on t street chimes with the base. she is important in that sense. chris: absolutely. a couple things to mention. one, remember how sue-ellen braverman came home secretary under rishi sunak? she backed him at the last minute when it looked like he could potentially face a challenge from boris johnson to become conservative leader and prime minister. there was a loyalty there that was rewarded with her being appointed home secretary. absolutely, her language and

instincts on some key issues amongst conservative mps and long-standing conservative voters are ones that sue-ellen braverman can often articulate and articulate rather pithily. it's not to everyone's taste, but the taste of some. if you were rishi sunak would you rather have the viewpoint articulated from the top table or noisily from the back benches? what matters massively to rishi sunak's conduct and being decent. being perceived to be decent, and acting in a decent way. i suspect the whole business of the article that had things taken out of it that turns up in the times with stuff still back in it will have really hurt. he will have, i suspect, hated that. i think you saw an articulation of that in the formation of words from the prime minister's official spokesman. so if you are rishi sunak, is there an easy solution out of

this? no. christian: cis mason, good to talk to you. thank you for that. this row revolves around a pro-palestinian protest taking place saturday when the u.k. will stop to remember the war dead. each year on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month veterans gather in london for a minute of silence. these pictures are from remembrance sunday last year. the pro-palestinian march is later in the day saturday. it does not come near the senate house. but, the prime minister said he would feel more comfortable if the protest was banned on saturday. former conservative leader iain duncan smith went further today begging mark rowley the police commissioner to think again. let's pick up some of this. with us tonight is peter kerr, a former senior investigating officer with the metropolitan police. good to have you with us, peter. can we address the mn allegation that sue-ellen braverman posits in the article?

that there is an attitude when giving the green light to protests that tends towards those on the last -- left and a harder attitude taken to those on the right. does she have grounds for complaint? peter: i don't think so. the poce force in the country is evenhanded with use of power. the terms and conditions of any marchers and public similes and other events and suchlike, they do not, so far as i can see, lean towards one side or another. if you want to have a march, if you want to have an assembly commit you can make up -- assembly, you can make application to the police. in advance, you work with them to ensure you get your point across in a lawful way. maybe loudly, but in a lawful way.

that minimizes the impact on other londoners. any procession or simply will have some detrimental impact on the lives of others around it where it happens. but, that needs to be kept to a minimum. i think the metropolitan police are probably world leaders in achieving that. she does not have any grounds whatsoever for the allegations. i did not thi we could get a worse home secretary than theresa may but sue-ellen braverman proved me wrong. christian: do you think what she has written in the times could inflame the situation further on saturday, bringing up people that are intent on violence? peter: definitely. absolutely definitely. not jt what she has written in the times article, but what she has said over the last week or two. the language she has been using. the choice of words. the choice of phrase. the echoes,\ g -- the echoes she has deliberately thrown in their are adding to tensions at a time

when it is not helpful to tension. i fail to understand why a home secretary intent on doi her job would use this language and do these things. i home secretary seeking another job -- a home secretary seeking another job may be, or home secretary that thinks there is a huge groundswell behind her of these further write opinions within the -- right opinions within the tory party. even the grown-up members of the tory party sort of hold their noses when they are referring to. they are not happy with what is going on here. the culture wars, the wokery, is a confection, presumably put up for political gain. i cannot see any reason why it would be there. she seems to think she can be the standardbearer of those that would espouse those views. christian: in her role as some

secretary she does not, obviously, have the power to decide policing arrangements day-to-day, nor should she. but she does have the power to tell the commissioner she has no confidence in him. in the article, she has pretty much expressed that. what do you think mark rowley will make of that? should he think about resigning? peter: it will no doubt have cost -- crossed his mind. i expect if he was minded to resign he would think, i will not do it today two days before this weekend. i will leave it until monday and whatever happens i will make their decision then. because, to exit stage left at this point, no matter how honorable, would not be helpful from a policing perspective and the last thing the weekend needs is something else that's not

helpful. it needs continuity and stability. i suppose he would have thought him lding -- leaving would not provide that. christian: i now that -- in that reasoning, peter, he must have thought, given that he has effectively taken the decision that the buck stops with him at the end of the day he has taken the decision the protest can go ahead. if there is violence it is on him. the yair horn absolutely. -- peter: absolutely. and police officers from their first day rapidly learned that everything they do, is it goes right or wrong, it is down to you. if it goes right you will be trampled by people trying to claim credit for it. your bosses, your supervisors. if it goes wrong, it's a very lonely place. but all police officers from day one on the beat as constables -- shows my age there, on the beach. but, from -- on the beat.

but from day one they know it is on them. mark rowley is an intelligent man that knows what he is doing. he has done a perfectly good job so far as i can see from the intelligence and information in the public domain. the grounds are simply not there to ban the march or put huge numbers of additional conditions on it. there is a principal under the law in this country. it's well to police officers around. if you have somebody in the street exercising freedom of speech as an individual, but saying things that are not popular, and are therefore finding themselves confronted by people who give them a bit of a kicking, then even though it might be easy to put that person in the back of the van and take them away to prevent it all kicking off, the police officer's duty is not that. it is to deal with the people that are offering violence. so, you cannot apply the same

principle to processions and things. this march will be perfectly lawful. but we will ban it because other idiots might kickoff. in the's words. we should not do that. christian: good to talk to you. around the world and across the u.k. you are watching bbc news. let's take a look at other stores making headlines in the u.k.. a 33-year-old man found guilty of murdering schoolteacher ashley murphy in ireland last year. the central criminal court in dublin found he fatally assaulted ms. murphy while she was exercising on a canal pass. he wasn't found guilty following three weeks of -- was found guilty following three weeks of evidence. the nhs white list in england hit a record high. more than one million patients are on more than one waiting list. the overall waiting list hit a new high of 7.7 million at the

end of september. the overall waiting list is at its highest point since records began in august 2007. a 14-year-old boy appeared in court charged with murder in leeds after a teenager was fatally stabbed near a school in the city. the 15-year-old alfie lewis was stabbed your saint margaret's primary school on tuesday. the former student later died in hospital. the charge boy was remanded in custody. you are live with bbc news. the islamic jihad group in gaza tonight released pictures of israeli hostages that have not been seen since october 7. the footage shows a woman in her 70's and a 13-year-old boy. the group is prepared to release both hostages for humanitarian and medical reasons, but only if what it calls appropriate measures are met. the heavy fighting continues in

the ruins of gaza city israeli forces and hamas and there are concerns about the conflict spreading in the region bringing in countries like yemen. our international editor jeremy wen filed this report from israel. jeremy: more palestinians walk down the main route to southern gaza after israel said they would not be attacked if they moved out of the northern battle zone. pauses in israeli combat operations were welcomed by the u.s. as a significant first step. with civilians once again digging for survivors in southern gaza, no one is calling this a cease-fire. this was in part of the area israel has ordered civilia to get to. nowhere in gaza is safe. some places might be less dangerous. two of the gaza hostages were in new videos made presumably under duress.

they blamed jim and netanyahu, israel's prime minister, for their plight. the danger of the war spreading remains. in the last three weeks or so, the regime in yemen has been posting videos of attacks on israel with missiles and drones area so far, all intercepted by israeli and american air defense systems over the red sea. that effect a leader of the houthi regime gave the bbc a remote interview from the capital saying islam's legitimized the tax on israel, that he called the entity. >> do you think the war here in gaza and israel can spread elsewhere in the region? >> if the americans and the british and the french continue backing this entity, all to participate in the war alongside this entity, this would be a normal response and a result of the american and european attacks and movements. >> there are people who say you

are attacking israel because iran told you to. >> we in yemen enjoy freedom of democracy more than the british people are given these days, jeremy. the british people these days are unable to express themselves freely. the secretary of state, the home secretary, is planning to stop all demonstrations that back palestine. where is the freedom and democracy that you enjoy in britain? jeremy: not a straight answer. there is certainly more tension and death in the west bank. 15 palestinians were killed as armed groups thought israeli rates. events in gaza having dire consequences here and across the middle east. jeremy bowen bbc news. christian: just two days ago we had her mother here in the

studio. let me buy you a part of the interview that gives you insight into what the families are going through. >> the last thing i heard my youngest boy saying to me on the phone one month ago, my last call from him, he was begging for them not to taycan. he said, i am too young. please, do not take me. they took him. they are not missing. they were kidnapped from their home. 32 children were kidnapped. we collected the children from the list. we made our own group. we decided to initiate a visit. and, to approach anyone that can help us get the children released immediately. you know, we said the kids are out of the game. they should not be waiting for a deal. we are here on this private initiation to meet with the

qatar ambassador in the u.k. hoping he will. he is very obligated. he gave us the oppression -- impression qatar is doing everything they can to help and i believe him. christian: her son is currently being held by islamic jihadists in gaza. joining us from tel aviv, a political correspondent at the times of israel. thank you for coming to the program. what has the reaction then from the israeli government to this video? >> the reaction is quite similar as to other videos released specifically by hamas. which is that this is psychological warfare. this is what the idf chief spokesperson said about two hours ago. christian: clearly, in the background, there isome negotiation in qatar going on over the hostages. americans think that

humanitarian pause might facilitate the release of some of them. are you hearing any more about that and whether the israelis would be prepared to give that a go? >> well, the chief of the israeli and american intelligence organizations were in doha today for negotiations. they returned without any reported progress. think you touched on something really critical to the discussion. that is the difference in the american and israeli philosophies, if you were coming towards releasing hostages. over 239 of which are still confirmed to be in gaza. the aid in the release of hostages. in fact, this deal is talking about releasing 15 for a narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors.

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