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change our laws and revisit those international relationships to remove the obstacles in our way. let me tell everybody now, i will not allow a foreign court to block these fights. >> he has wasted all of his time on a gimmick, and now he is absolutely nowhere. while he level with the british public and finally admit he has failed to deliver on his promise? ben: u.k. plans to limit immigration hit a huge roadblock as the supreme court ruled that the government's flagship plan to send asylum-seekers to ramonda was unlawful -- to rwanada was unlawful. but the prime minister says he will find other ways to get the policy through and is willing to change u.k. law to do so. also, the latest from gaza where
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israeli, forces say they have found weapons of researching the largest hospital in the territory. we will speak to one of benjamin netanyahu's senior advisors. we will be live in san francisco, where u.s. president joe biden is meeting his chinese counterpart, xi jinping, for the first time in here for talks over military conflicts with drug trafficking, artificial intelligence, and trade. more on all of that coming up for you very shortly, but first, let's go to another story we are following within the last half-hour, news that five of labor's shadow ministers are said to leave keir starmer's team over his refusal to back a cease-fire in gaza. they have a voted in favor of an amendment by scottish national party, an amendment to the king's that back to cease fire. 56 labor mp's voted for the amendment in total.
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the rebels include the high-profile cabinet minister jess phillips. labor has ordered its mp's to back the amendment that calls for longer humanitarian causes. let's explain what is going on right now. a political correspondent is in the central lobby at westminster. this looks like quite a rebellion, doesn't it? >> it does. we have the definitive figures for the number of people who are either resigning from lor's front bench, their trump team, o-- their top team, or have been sacked. 8 shadow ministers are going and parliamentary aides, the so-called payroll vote, one of them is a parliamentary aide to labor's deputy leader. some of the names, no offense, are not household names, but we will run through those who have gone through labor's
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front bench tonight. they voted for the scottish nationalist motion i can calls for an immediate cease-fire in gaza. two others are parliamentary aides. labour party's deputy leader. that is the definitive list, but not the full scale of the rebellion. those are people on the front bench. a total of 56 labor mp's back the scottish nationalist party's call for an immediate cease-fire. 56, just to put that in context, is around a quarter of labour's parliamentary party, slightly fewer than those who made their views clear through social media or newspaper articles. that is around one third of the party. but it is clear it is a
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significant challenge to keir starmer, because the labor leader said he wanted them to abstain, not to vote on this motion by the scottish nationalists. saw it as playing politics, but also there is extensive efforts over the last 24 hours to negotiate labour's own motion on this to try to minimize the scale of the rebellion. doesn't look as though that is entirely succeeded. labor -- reiterating -- labor reiterating that israel has the right to defend itself and take on terrorists, also critical of the conduct of the campaign by israel, calling for the lifting of the siege conditions in gaza, getting food as well as fuel into gaza, talking about israel having a duty to protect hospitals. we've seen those pictures from gaza today, the israeli raion the hospital in gaza city. labour to some extent would be more critical to take on more the concerns of some of the mp's, some the grassroots, some
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of the constituents. it wasn't enough to prevent a significant rebellion in one of the most significant challenges keir starmer has faced since he became labor leader and took over from jeremy corbyn. ben: those mp's will be very keenly aware of what their constituents are telling them and how they feel about what is going on in the middle east. we can look at a scene just outside where you are right now. there is quite a protest, pro-palestinian protest, outside the house is a common. -- outside the house of commons. they are all too aware that they are accountable to their constituents and that is perhaps why they have voted the way they have. >> some people really felt this is a major issue for many years, felt that the palestinians have had a raw deal, that the peace process has been very far off track, especially under the netanyahu government in israel. but others are certainly feeling the pressure distinctly and
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robustly from their constituents in recent weeks and felt that if there is an opportunity for a cease-fire, that is something they had to do even if they are on the front bench and risking their own jobs. what we are seeing in westminster just outside this very big, very vocal protest in favor of a cease-fire, many smaller protests, demonstrations, lobbying, call it what you will, outside mp offices, and some of those mp's felt a great deal of pressure, also pressure from some of their own membership. one of the departed from ventures field -- departed front benchers feeling that the party leadership was not being impartial enough. they wanted a two state solution. they felt it to be too supportive of isra's tactics in the early days of the conflict. the pressure on mp's was huge. there was pressure the other way of course from labor leadership.
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keir starmer allowed people to finance a bit so long as it didn't come onto the media and -- to freelance a bit so long as they didn't come onto the media and attack is leadership hit he had to exercise some discipline and he says he regrets the loss of these front benchers tonight. it needs to impose collective responsibility, and that is why 10 of the front bench, 8 shadow ministers, had to go this evening. ben: that will be the question, just as sir keir starmer was ying to get his party together to face an election in what could be a general election year next year. this is quite a setback to those plans. where does that leave his labour party right now? >> they say this is a particular issue where there are clear divisions within the party exacerbated by events outside their control in the middle east.
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people have come back into the labour party since the corbyn e ra, jewish people. some of them supportive of israel, not all. some from the business community, others from different political traditions in the labour party. holding them together in the face of this international conflict was always going to be a big challenge. if you is that this is the biggest challenge -- the view is that this is the biggest challenge. certainly from his point of view he has been fortune because of the government's difficulties over its rwanda policy. that to some extent has overshadowed some of labour's internal difficulties. those difficulties are not going to be resolved tonight. they will still be difficult with labor's grassroots. it is difficult to bridge this gap. from keir starmer's point of view, he would say he is in step with the international community, calling for a larger humanitarian process rather than a cease-fire.
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others say that u.n. officials are calling for cease-fire. this is something that is particularly challenging for him, but he doesn't believe it is a sign of wider disunity. some of his opponents have said they hope this undermines his authority and people will be more willing to speak out against other policies he is pursuing. we might now see more dissent rather than the iron discipline we have seen the last year. ben: really good to have you there to explain all of that tonight. thanks very much. our political correspondent in westminster. just to reiterate what you see on screen, labour says 10 mp's have been sacked from the front bench. that is after voting for the s&p amendment calling for a cease-fire in gaza. an important difference in the language, whether this is a call for a cease-fire or a callor a
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pause in the fighting. that is the significant difference here. labour saying 10 mp's have been sacked for voting for that amendment calling for a cease-fire. labor had proposed its own motion that called for a pause in the hostilities in the middle east, and that they say would have allowed aid in and people believe rather than a cease-fire that could potentially give hamas time to regroup. we will have the latest and for the development from westminster, we will head back there for you. but it has been a busy day in westminster because the prime minister elsewhere has said he will press ahead with plans to send asylum-seekers to rwanda. after that has court in the u.k. rule that the governme's policy was unlawful. the supreme court found there was a real risk that asylum-seekers send to rwanda could be wrongly assessed and returned to their country of origin, where they could face persecution. rishi sunak said new emergency
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legislation will enable parliament to confirm that ramonda -- that rwanda is safe, and that he is committed to stopping thousands of migrants crossing the channel and small boats every year. labor has called the proposals vidic is an empathetic spectacle -- called the proposals ridiculous and a pathetic spectacle. let's speak to someone from freedom from torture. you welcomed this ruling today. >> absolutely. today is a real victory for reason and compassion. as you said, what the supreme court found ishat many of us already knew, that this cash-for-humans scheme is imral and deeply unlawful. the stakes could not be higher in a case like this. we work with survivors of torture who have been through the most unimaginable things, and every day in our therapy rooms we are hearing of the
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absolute horror that this scheme has inflicted. but today judgment really sent a very clear message to the government that rwanda is simply not a safe country. ben: wasn't the plan, the proposal, the whole idea of this policy, that it would be more of a deterrenrather than something that would be enforced in reality, the idea that it would make it less attractive to come to this country would serve as a determined and would therefore prevent people from coming here in the first place, hopefully not needing to be used in practe? and that determined idea is an important ash that determined idea isn't -- that deterrent idea is an important one, isn't it? natasha: we all agree that these both need to be stopped, but ther is no evidence that the rwanda scheme would stop the boats or act as a deterrent. that's been very clearly laid out even by the government's own advisors. what we know is that the people
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up and down this country are seeing through the bluster. caring and compassionate people want the government to get a grip and scrapped the rwanda -- and scrap the rwanda scheme. it is not representative of the country we are, and threatening to rip up every rulebook -- every rule in the rulebook is frankly terrifying and astounding. ben: the government says it will do the exact opposite to what you said some people are calling for. they will introduce emergency legislation to mark rwanda as a safe country, getting around this latest ruling. briefly for us, if the government is going to press ahead with that legislation, that changes nothing right now, does it? natasha: yeah, and just quickly -- it absolutely doesn't change anything because the supreme court gave this unanimous, extremely clear decision laying out all of the reasons as to why
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rwanda is a safe, citing extrajudicial killings and torture. this is absolutely appalling that rishi is wanting to plow ahead. i just want to add that this government has pushed through to legislations recently, both of which they promised the public would deliver. they are consistently failing to deliver because they are not being honest. this government when it came into power, there were 7000 people. as of july the number rose to 130,000 that ty have wholly neglected the asylum system. we want and need this government to back down now and do what the jority of people in this country want, to scrap the scheme, to develop a humane protection-focused asylum system that processes claims and deals with people with dignity.
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ben: natasha, good to have you with us. joining us to discuss the latest plans from the u.k. government as far as asylum-seekers are concerned. around the world and across the u.k., you are watching bbc news. let's have a look at some of the other stories that are making headlines in the u.k. a city counselor has said that tower blocker evacuated over safety concerns was not built according to plans. more than 400 residents were forced to leave their homes on tuesday, with the council declaring a major incident. folding surveys show the barton health would not be safe in the event -- building surveys showed the house would not be safe in the event of a higher. more than 1300 jobs are to risk at the uk's largest rail assembly factory. the site has no confirm the workload in the first quarter of next year due to a gap in orders. a spokesperson says it's is working to secure a sustainable future for the factory. the weldment has unveiled a new
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range of points to celebrate 60 years of the james bond films. the first coin from the sean connery era depicts a plane from the 1967 film "you only live twice." more on all of those stories on the bbc's website. let's return to events in the middle east, because israel defense forces say troops have found weapons, combat gear, and technological equipment in the al-shifa hospital complex in gaza after a long search today. israel says the al-shifa hospital compound conceals an underground command center used by hamas. it's a claim that doctors there deny. according to those among those inside the hospitals, the soldiers have left but the idf says the operation is continuing. tanks and other complex in the
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middle of the night and soldiers search to the site, interrogating patients and medical staff. there are reports from inside the hospital in the last few hours that soldiers have left, though we have not been able to independently verify that. just want to take you straight to the scene at the un security council in new york. it's another vote tonight -- there's a lot of votes related to events in the middle east, but this is the latest go to reach some sort of consensus at the un security council on a humanitarian pause to allow aid in and people to leave gaza. you will note that in recent weeks since the conflict has begun there have been five attempts that i failed to reach an agreement, a consensus on what the one should decree should happen between israel and gaza. we will take you back live if there are any further details. let's speak to the director of
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the scope of middle east security -- scowcroft middle east security initiative at the atlantic council. we have talked about the military operations, we have talked about a humanitarian crisis on the program tonight. to look at the longer-term implications of what is going on there, and given your experience, i wonder what your assessment is of what is israel's endgame in all of this, because we know that the rhetoric, the international condemnation is growing as the manitarian toll grows. and i wonder how israel will respond with an eye on an in game and how it exits this war. >> thanks very much for having me, great to be with you. i think that is really the question that everybody still has. israel's endgame is very much dedicated towards ensuring that hamas is decimated as a military group, that its terrorist capabilities as a ■terroris
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organization are no longer workable, that its command-and-control centers including al-shifa are not operational and its weapons are largely confiscated. but that obviously still leave the big question regarding what happens in gaza next politically in terms of long-term security and the humanitarian situation. that is something that israel, the international community including the u.s., u.k., and others, are trying to work through. there is a lot more questions than answers about how you get past the military question of what is happening right now. ben: is there a chance of stability here? where will stability come from? there has been a vote in the u.k. parliament, there is a vote in the next hour at the un security council. we know how difficult it has been for the international community to come together and agree on a form of words and recommendation for what happens in this conflict. what hope is there of any short-term stability here?
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jonathan: i think in the short term you can have some. we have seen a u.n. resolution that calls for the pauses that malta has put forth. that has a decent chance of passing. it is something the u.s. is also called for. that would allow humanitarian relief organizations and certainly the u.n. to get in water, food, energy supplies to the hundreds of thousands of palestinians who need it throughout gaza. it would do so without ending in the way a cease-fire would that as been called for israel's views of its obligations to ensure its security and production by ending military force and by ending its operation. i think it's a balance, i think it can happen, but i think it is going to take a bit more time. the other question is the hostages, because there is a question of stability and how the hostages play in. short-term pauses might give a window for hostage negotiations
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to not only continue, but for hostages to be released as well. ben: good to have you with us, joining us live from washington. thank you. well, there is a key meeting underway right now between the leaders of the world's two major superpowers in san francisco. for the first time in a year, u.s. president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping are in the same room. the talks are part of the apec summit underway in san francisco. topics on the table including military conflicts, drug trafficking, trade, and artificial intelligence. both sides have set expectations pretty low, so don't expect america and china's many differences and disagreements to be settled this evening. let's speak to our correspondent gary o'donoghue, who joins us from the summit in san francisco. we said that they have been talking on expectations already. there is a lot for them to talk about at this meeting. looking at the agenda, they've only got four hours to do it.
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it's not a lot of time. gary: it's not a lot of time, but bear in mind a lot of the work is done ahead of the summit . they don't happen unless there is something that is achievable for their leaders to deliver on. i would expect something. there will be very much. there is talk of perhaps some kind of deal on discussing artificial intelligence and what that could be ed for, particularly in the military realm. and there was some talk of perhaps some deal whereby china may restrict pre-chemicals that are exported to places like mexico, which get turned into fentanyl, which comes across the border into the united stas, which is a huge killer of young people in this country. on the other hand the chinese are looking for ncessions on the economy. their economy is struggling at the moment. foreign investment has fallen significantly. and to put it all -- the icing on the cake, the tariffs that have been imposed and restrictions on tech imports are
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hurting them. there's a lot of things there. key strategic interests where they will continue to differ will also have to be discussed, particularly the south china and east china sea, where tensions over time when -- over taiwan is a potential flashpoint given that the two countries haven't been talking at all last 10 or 12 months. ben: it's interesting, i saw this described earlier is not a meeting to improve relations, but a meeting simply to keep it getting any worse. it is hard to see how we could get any worse. any progress they make would be seen as significant progress. gary: i think that's right. stabilization is aware that people from the administration have been using a lot in cash stabilization -- stabilization is a word that people from the administration have been using a lot in recent days. without military-to-military communication, which was suspended after nancy pelosi
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visited taiwan last year, there is a huge area for misunderstanding, mishaps, which could escalate and escalate, and you could find yourself in a conflict. that is one of the key aims of the biden administration and the chinese will probably show that aim as well. beyond that, china will want america to reaffirm the view that there is one china and taiwan should not be independent. that is what you will get from the americans this time around. beyond that there may be discussions of things like climate change, where there can be strategic -- joint strategic interests that aligned in some way. of course the two huge world policy issues, the war in the middle east and ukraine, those things on the table as well. it is a huge, unlimited agenda. i think the nature of what we expected tells you that you can draw the nature of what we are going to inspect from the fact that there won't be a joint
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statement after this, ben. the biden administration will do its own press conference and the chinese will respond in their way and they don't expect to publish a joint declaration of agreements and a way forward. this is putting a floor under the relationship, as one chinese commentator said to me. ben: gary, really good to have you there. if there are more development, we will be back with you. stay with narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪
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