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contributions to your pbs news station from viewers like you. thank you. william: welcome to the "newshour." international criticism of israel is growing over its war in gaza which has killed more than 18,000 palestinians according to the hamas-controlled gay zahn health ministry. the u.s. is asserting more pressure on its ally. national security advise or, jake sullivan met with benjamin netanyahu and his top lieutenants. but israel will continue fighting until it achieves " absolute victory." in the minutes after an israeli air strike sounds of panic and pain. the sirens of an ambulance blaring. voice of men shouting over one another as they dig through the rubble with their barehands. hundreds crowded on the sidelines have no choice but to

watch. two buildings believed to house members of hamas were target here in the refugee camp in central gaza. the attacks came a day after hamas's supreme leader who lives in qatar far from the war said in a televised address that their governance of gaza will last. >> any bet in the palestinian cause without hamas and the resistance fashion is an illusion and a mirage. >> israel said fierce ground fight continued in the north today. and more videos showing dozens of men lined up single file hands in the air. the i i.d.f. claims they are terror operatives who surrendered their wents and will soon be interrogate. >> today, israeli defense minister hosted sullivan for a series of meetings in tel aviv.

>> if we last more than seven months but we will win and we will destroy them. >> in an event, president biden says israel's campaign needs to be more prosaisms >> i want them to be focused on how to save civilian lives, not stop going after hamas but be more careful. >> but in rafa, the southern border town densely packed with gazans, the bombs keep falling. u.n. officials warn that gaza's food crisis has reached a breaking point. crowds of people ran toward aid trucks desperately helping themselves to food and making the continuous flow of aid near impossible. >> what is happening in gaza should outrage anyone, should make us all rethink our values. >> even as international efforts for another humanitarian cease-fire continue, calls for peace mean nothing to the ones

who each day bare the brunt of war. [speaking foreign language] >> these are all just empty words. we are the one who is pay the price -- we are the ones who pay the price. ♪ >> i'm stephanie sy with "newshour" west. here are the latest headlines. authorities in germany and denmark and the netherlands arrested seven people accuse offend plotting terror attacks. three members were said to be members of hamas who would target european jews. in brussels the danish prime minister said the situation is grave. [speaking foreign language] >> it is very, very serious. and of course, concerning israel-gaza, it is completely unacceptable for someone to bring an an external conflict

into danish society. stephanie: a senior european union firm warned of huge risk of attacks over the christmas holiday. the u.s. house of representatives passed a defense policy bill worth $886 billion. the senate approved it last night and president biden is expected to sign it. in kenya, the military has intensified efforts to evacuate hundreds of people trapped by flooding. that's 170 people have died in the day luge since heavy rains began in november. aid groups say it's the worst flooding there in a century. more than 600,000 people have had to flee their homes. >> while i was running away from the rains and the floodwater, i fell down and broke my hand. after theiness department, my family and i came here, the young and old ones. since then we are waiting for a solution to this problem. we are pleading with the government to support us. >> the heavy rains are expected to continue into the new year.

amazon has won a major legal victory in europe and won't have to pay more than $270 million in backtaxes. the e.u.'s highest court rejected claims the company received special low tax rates from luxembourg where amazon has its european head quarters. retail sales rebounded in november and a surprise start to the holiday shopping season. the commerce department said spending was up .3 of a percent. analysts expected another decline. sales were strong online and at clothing and furniture stores. california energy officials voted today to extend the life of the state's last nuclear power plant by five years. the two reactors at the diablo canyon facility facility were scheduled to be shut down in 2025. governor gavin newsom says it's a necessary bridge to renewable

energy. approval is cop tin gent on utility, pg&e obtaining an operating license extension from the regulatory commission. still to come on the "newshour," what's on the table? as congressional funding for ukraine and the southern border hangs in the balance. lawsuits challenging the standard real estate commission rate shake up the home buying market. and rush frontman lee reflects on his life and music in a new memoir. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. >> russian president vladimir putin today health held his first press conference that included international media in more than two years. and as nick shiffrin reports, he insisted that he would continue to wage war in ukraine until all this goals were met.

[applause] >> across four stage manage hours in front of an audience, russian president said he had no intention of ending the war in ukraine any time sant there are would be peace when we will achieve their goals. the the the denasyfication of ukraine and new status. >> and 315,000 russian troops have been killed or wound. putin said that russia was winning. >> almost along the entire line of contact, our armed forces to put it modestly are improving their position. almost everyone is active throughout the entire front line. >> that includes strikes on ukrainian critical infrom structural. ukraine said they attacked odessa with more than 40 drones. ukraine's air defense worked but the debris of a down drone

gutted an apartment complex and left ina and her 3 year-old homeless. >> i cannot even describe it with words. there was a big fire. smoke. it felt as if it was in slow motion. >> part of putin's confidence today was from what he suggested with a slow motion weakening of ukraine's western support. [speaking russian] >> today ukraine produces almost nothing. they get a freeby for everything. but these freebies may end some day. >> ukraine had been worried about european union support. but today in brussels, the european counsel announced it would i invite ukraine to a path toward membership. despite zelensky's visit this week, congressional negotiators are struggling to approve $60 million to ukraine before they go to the holidays >> they need our help. and they need it right now.

not after the eggnog. john kirby cited has words to those blocking funning. are i sure hope that those house republicans who have for month held hostage critical assistance to ukraine heard pew tip's message loud and career. instead, they're heading home for the holidays. >> in the meantime moscow detains americans wheeler and he rgovic. they reject add president swap offer. but putin said he was open to a deal. >> we want to make an agreement and that agreement should be mutually accept and satisfy both side. >> today, state department spokesman matt miller encouraged putin to swap the two hostages and said we very much want a deal. we turn now to thomas graham who served at the state and defense

departments who is a distinguished fellow at the counsel on foreign relation. thomas, welcome back to the "newshour." as we just heard putin repeated the same objectives about ukraine that he has been using since before the full scale invasion began. what does that say about his intentions for the war? thomas: well, it says quite clearly that he intends this struggle. he certainly believes the time son his side. he has fend off ukraine encounter offensive. he cease evidence of infighting in the ukrainian leadership. and as you already mentioned, support in the west is fighting and we have this problem in the congress right now as far as funding is concerned. so all this is really reconfirm putin and his construction the russians are more resilient. time is on our side. we need to continue to press forward. >> president biden repeatedly says that putin believes the russia can outlast western support for ukraine. how much is putin counting on

the u.s. being unable to continue maintaining its support for ukraine at the levels it has been? >> i thinks that's at the top of his mind at this point he has thought that from the very beginning. he begins to see evidence of that. and he is holding that as we get deeper in the political season in 2024 and closer to the elections that will see even more flagging support for ukraine. i think this is critical in his mind to ukraine -- to russia finally achieving whatever its goals are in ukraine. >> and yet, on the battlefield we don't see much evidence that russia will achieve any more territory than it does. does putin believe that russia is winning in ukraine? >> well, certainly when he looks at the way things are tending, i would argue that he does believe that russia is winning and that it can win. you know, that said, it's clear that they haven't made much progress on the ground.

and he could be setting himself up for a fall because the expectation now is, you know, particularly with fighting interest in the west, eyes focused on gaza, that russia should be make substantial progress on the ground and in ukraine that's going to be quite difficult and three and four weeks from now we may be seeing a quite different putin as he discusss the situation in ukraine. >> let's expand out to russia's economy. today, putin claimed that the russian economic growth was 3.5% this year. at the same time the treasury department rereleased new statement saying u.s. and european sanction had put russia's economy under considerable economic strain. have the sanctions put russia's economy under considerable economic strain? >> well, i think the treasure i have thinking about the long-term. and that is clearly true. short-term, the sanctions haven't had the impact that the united states and the west in

general had hoped for. putin has put the economy -- his economy on a war footing. he's poured much money into the military production. he's managed to find ways to circumvent the -- the $60 cap on oil. and therefore oil revenue is flowing into rushian state covers that allows him to fund the military operation. but as you you look at this down the road farther into the future, you see a situation that will be very difficult for russia to sustain an economic growth that its seeing in the current year >> does that mean the sanctions are unlikely to affect any short-term thinking by putin or even ability for russia to wage war? >> no, i think that's absolute true. the sanctions have done very little impact on russia's ability to conduct this war short-term. they've had very little impact on the way the kremlin thinks about the situation on the

ground. you know, five, 10 years from now is a different story. but that's not where putin is focused he certainly believes he will achieve his goals ukraine much before that. >> we call this putin's annual press conference because sit annual. but last year's was canceled. what does it say about the fact that he held this press conference with domestic, with international media? what does it say about his confidence levels and his hold on power? >> well, it certainly says that he's much more confident about his own situation, russia's situation than a year ago. the ukrainians had launch add very successful strike. this was not the time that putin wanted to be speaking to the russian public about how things were tending. this year it's quite different. russia appears to be doing ok on the ground in terms of pushing back against ukrainian counter

offensive. but the other thing that you need to bare in mind that putin is facing a presidential election in march of next year. there's no doubt that he's going to win that election. but it's very important for his own set of political authority to put best face possible on russia's situation to underscore the successes that russia has had under his leadership. and i think that's one of the reasons he dedecided to -- decided to hold the annual press conference this year. >> thomas graham, thank you very much. thomas: thank you. ♪ william: in a sign on border security and ukraine funding could still emerge by christmas, the u.s. senate plans to stay in town next week instead of going on its scheduled recess.

lisa desjardins and laura barron-lopez are here to walk us through the latest. thank you both so much for being here. lisa, let's stewart you. how close are senators really to a deal, and help us understand this issue that seems to be driving them so much, the numbers at the u.s.-mexico border? >> well, it is a sign that they are close. they have told senators to be ready to come back next week. but they have yet to deal with some of the biggest differences between republicans and democrats. the key though is that leaders on both sides want a deal. that's why we're watching it so closely. why do they want a deal? what we're seeing at the border. i want to talk about the numbers because you see those without context. we're a place for context. first of all, these the october numbers. southwest border. we see vie grant en counters about 240,000. that is high but not that much different from last year's numbers. one thing they need to know is that include illegal cross.

actually the total illegal entry is more look 180,000. it's important to talk about who are we talking about. the face are not who we focused on. let's go to last year october 2022. look at that by far and away it was a single adults who would would be picked up. but let's look at the numbers now, 2023. families. you're seeing more families being a apprehended. that has to do with u.s. policy. families are able to stay more but it also has to do with the demand. when we talk about these policies that's who's being affect. >> so laura, these negotiation that is are going on right now what is on the table that's being discussed right now? laura: the white house is open to supporting major changes to the immigration system in inn the country. expanding fast tracked deportations without judicial

review to any undocumented person across the united states if the person cannot prove they've lived here for two years. currently expediteed removals are for those who have arrived within 14 united states days. it would allow the administration to expel beam no ability to seek asylum. it would be triggered if the number of arrivals exceeds more than 5,000 people a day. this makes perm innocent that title 42 deportation policy without needing the public health crisis justification. negotiators are also talk about an expansion of detention for my grant. but we don't know which migrants that would apply to or if it would comply with child detention laws. now, on that fast track deportation william, it's important to know that that would impact the 11 million-plus undocumented immigrant that is live in this country that have worked for years, married here. and they would need carry on

their person if this came laws. gym memberships. bills, any type of identification that could show they've lived here for two years and that expulsion authority would be eliminated asylum as it's currently written under our law. william: i know you've been talking to republicans. how do they see these proposal that is laura is laying out? >> this is a divided party so there are differences here. but in in general, it's important to understand that republicans most of them want what's is called a closed border. this is where the policy that laura talks about comes into play. they want asylum seekers who want to come and then be left toer? country. they want most of those asylum seekers to be denied right away or to be in detention. and that includes family detention. now, this is sort of an enforcement approach. that's where you see some divide. there are some on the central right including group called the

national immigration forum that says enforcement isn't going to work. we want people to be able to have a legal process. they think this might go too far. but there are others on the other side like to house freedom caucus who say this doesn't go far enough and they're worried that this isn't a total close sure of the border. in general they want this close ed boarder and this negotiations has moved closer to that direction. what are do the democrats say about all of this? >> i spoke to foreman biden administration officials who say they're demoral i.e.d.'s, disillusioned. they can't believe the white house is entertaining something like this. when they may not get anything -- iner exchange like a pathway to citizenship for dreamers. it's important to notice that the primary reasons that these immigration changes being talked about is because of a growing faction of house republicans have repeatedly said that they will not support any additional ukraine funding unless there are more severe restrictions on

asylum and on undocument migrants. now, former officials and democrats across the spectrum that i've talked to say that they think that even if the ultimately passes the senate, that even if there's a deal between senate negotiators and the white house that this could ultimate ultimately get tanked in the house because this -- they think there could be enough house republicans that for vastly different reasons will not go along with this. william: such an an incredibly complicateed maize. lisa and laura, thank you for help usings us get through it all. >> thank you. ♪ william: the united nations says gaza's health system has collapse. and gazans who have survived now face the risk of disease amid chronically overcrowded

hospitals. the u.s.a. executive director of the international humanitarian organization doctors without boreds or m.s.f. it has been operating in gaza since the start of the war. thank you so much for being here. we are seeing reports that only third of hospitals are still open in gaza. a u.n. official who came back described the region as being on the brink of total chaos. what is your own staff reported to you about the conditions there the >> the conditions have been harrowing since the beginning with the shortage of fuel, shortage of medicines of medical equipment, the constant orderers to evacuate hospital that is are fully functioning and overcrowded with patients in need of care. we are seeing a lot of people coming in with catastrophic injuries, dead upon arrival in huge numbers, huge numbers of infections. people requiring major surgery and post operative care that is

just impossible turned current circumstances. the hospitals are full. and the -- the medical teams are operating often with, you know, four or five people in a bed, many people having surgery at the same time when the operating rooms are full. they're doing it in the hallways. such a lack of anesthesia, lack of medication, lack of bandages, bakes supply, many of the hospitals are unable to cope. >> and how do your staff go with try age? >> it's a harrowing moral dilemma. you are trying to determine who can we save with the short fall that is we have many medicines and anesthesia and supplies who cannot be saved and there are a lot of people who cannot be saved. they will die of their infections. they will die of their wounds. and then you have those who are

lightly injured who will not be priority ooze -- prioritized. and who have a small wound a few stitches, you send them on their way. but unfortunately with the combination of the siege people arriving so late because of the risk and the violence, we have a tax on hospital that is has become so routine that our doctors have been killed at the bedside of patients. we had a doctor -- a bullet freers the hospital that was sniper fire and this hospital has been surrounded by israeli forces for many, many days now. and he was shot and injured inside the hospital while treat ago -- treating a patient. so while people come in wound and the risks to healthcare workers and all the other

pressure that is decision of who to save who to treat, i can not express enough the heartbreak, the sense of utter failure of the medical humanitarian community because we know what to do and not able do it. it's impossible with the siege and the constant pressure of the violence. >> the i.d.f. says the only reason they're approaching hospitals is because they argue that hamas has been in the hospitals. has your staff seen that? >> we are always worried about the presence of militants amid civilians. and our staff had not seen evidence that hospitals have been used in a way that the israeli government has continued to allege political cover war in can also be considered war crimes. when you attack a hospital

that's fully functioning if of patients, if of people finding refuge, civilians, family, children, there's no justification for attacking and destroying the hospital's capacity to treat people. >> the u.n. general assembly two days ago voted to call for another humanitarian cease-fire. absence that happen, how long can m.s.f. can continue operating under these conditions? >> we ask ourselves that hour by hour because we continue whether we can continue. sometimes sit so difficult even more patients to reach the -- the health facilities, the hospital that is are managing to keep the doors open. and sometimes the doors are closed because there's a -- they're surrounded by armed forces and there are niners all around. there may come a time if the violence against civilians continues to the extent that it is.

we really question how long we can hang on. and we -- we don't want to leave. we would like to be able to scale out. people have the right to humanitarian assistance and because of the conduct of this war this indiscriminate nant violence, this siege, it's imperative that we can get a cease-fire so we can start giving civilians an opportunity to survive this horror. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. ♪ >> the federal reserve is projecting three interest rate cuts last year. that could help lower mortgage rates which this year have been at a two decade high and make homeownership more affordable.

some experts point to a landmark jury decision that could change the cost of buying an sell ago home. economics paul correspondent paul solman has the story from missouri. >> if you think i'm going to cut my bleeping bleeping commission -- >> one broker sharing his favorite commission tactic. >> you can take the home and shove it up your bleeping bleeping and i know that it will fit. >> this flip a real estate podcast help persuade a federal jury that the national association of realtors have illegal conspired for decades to fix commission rates on home sales. money paid to selling agents who invariably cut in the buyer's agent 50-50. >> why is it that the only system in our entire country, if you want to sell something that your paying the other side? >> it's one oh catchmark's

plaintiffs, jared bright pit -- >> what a weird system that the person that had never met and did absolutely nothing for me as a consumer was getting the full percentage -- >> 3% fully half the typical total commission. large firms are coming to dominate the industry and have a huge incentive to preserve the system. >> half the time these corporations are making money representing sellers and half the time they're making money representing buyers. so they're propping the system up. and they're benefiting each other. >> but not any more assuming the verdict with stands appeal. for now, catchmark has won a $1.8 billion judgment on behalf of some half a million home salers in just kansas, missouri and illinois. >> we took 100 depositions in these top corporations in real estate. and they have training materials, saying fix your

commission at 6:00%. when they saw that i had written in a 6% commission into the contract and would ask geno, aren't commissions negotiatetial. i would always answer confidentably, yes, they are negotiatable but they can only go up. >> we started uncovering this. >> so this next trial exhibit came at no surprise. >> between 2015 and 2022, we looked at the actual closing documents for the 110,000 homes sold in the kansas city area. 98% of the time, the commissions were set between 2.5% and 3%. 94% of the time was right at 3%. >> the 3% the sellers agent gave the buyers agent as a corporation fee so the mortgage rates are higher, and a home about 450,000 about 26,000 are reality commissions.

13,000 regardless of effort making homes that much more expensive than the market price. and industry-wide commission fixing as the video clip so blatantly suggested, agents colluding with the national association which owns the word realtor to call yourself one, you must be a dues paying member. the trade group's response -- >> commissions have always been completely negotiatable will always be completely negotiatable. and those are set up front with a listing agent. >> look a few individual brokers may behave badly says kip keeper of the kansas city association of realitiors, but -- >> the national association of realtors has always been clear that -- and it's in all of our guidance documents, it's in every meeting i've attended for the last 23 years, that we' not to talk about or set a commission rate. >> well, mum is the word for

most of us when it comes to negotiating commissions. >> i've never heard anybody talk about commission as part of they buying experience. before >> first time, home buyer, stephanie green closed on this house in kansas city last spring to accommodate the extend family. >> high-five? high-five? >> it was all about price. negotiating the commission never occurred to her or to plaintiff bright. >> i thought as a first-time home buyer in this experience that 6% is 6% is 6%. but then and employee bare with me as i try to untangle this legal web. why do they share their commission instead of pocketing the whole 6%? real estate economist norm miller. >> the general feeling is that if they don't offer competitive buyer co-op fee no one will show the home. they will steer away from it. >> a seemingly rigged system just as the jury found and yet

stephanie green likes the current system especially though she realizes home buyers like her wind up paying a sizable commission sort of hidden as part of the final price. >> it helped us out to work that into the mortgage than pay it up front. >> this is pathway through homeownership. >> and they do provide plenty of value especially as tenisa brown does for first-time buyers. >> gate job. [laughter] >> i have a job. >> you will never guess the amount of people who have reached out to us who are interested in buying a home but don't have a job or a source of income r. her agency walks clients through the very basics. >> you need to buy a house because you have a baby. now, you're thinking -- you're thinking about the future. >> i have two children. i have a son who is awe -- autistic. >> i want to write a letter so

whoever was buying the home got know about me. >> >> one of the agents coached her beyond the inspection, title search and even financing. >> if you're going write a letter, let them know why and get personal that's what you want. and so she attached it to every offer after that that i put on there. >> she got the house from someone who was touched by her appeal. >> brown who runs the brokerage worries about the judgment. will her largely low income clients be able to afford a buyer's fee up front if her agents are no longer paid as part of the price? will they want to negotiate a commission? >> the journey of homeownership can be a roller corps. so adding in the difficulties of now another layer of negotiating what has been a standard for so long. it's just going to make it more difficult. >> on the plus side of the judgment, maybe fewer of what brown calls a fly by night agent there are some 2 million.

1.6 million realitiors. and yet barely five million homes sold last year. one in every 100 american workers hold as real estate license and yet 80% of them sell loyalty to nothing says economist miller. >> if the fees come down and the good agents sell more homes that means there's a lot of part-timers and mediocre agent that is are out of the industry. >> so what's the economic's final verdict be should the jury's be yup held? >> we should move to what we see in other developed countries like the uk, israel, singapore. appear that would suggest that the fees would move from 5% to 6% down to 3% to 4%. >> if sellers and buyers start negotiating. would jared bright negotiate now? >> absolutely. 100%. >> for each 1% lessened commissions buyers and sellers would have saved more than $20

billion. 3% let's there is something like $213,000 a house and the up the pressure, catchmark has start add lawsuit nationwide in the name of cutting home prices by bidding down commissions which could lower prices and start a whole lot of haggling for the bbc "newshour", paul in kansas city, missouri. ♪ >> evangelical christian leaders have been sounding the alarm in recent years about growing polar zation and radicalization within their own churches. earlier this week lara barron-lopez sat down with one pastor who is trying to shift that conversation. laura: in tarrant county texas, political allegiance is surpassing religious allegiance.

this week, a group of religious leaders from the tarrant county based multi-faith neighbors released the peacemakers tool do it help clergy across the country combat some of these issues in their communities. bob roberts jr. co-founded the multifaith neighbors. pastor, you led an evangelical church for more than 30 years can you tell us a bit about the shift that you're seeing in communities like yours and more broadly in the faith community in recent years >> thank you for having me. the shift that's taking place is for real. there was a time when church was something that we did. we worshiped. the focus was on god. he was first. but i fear that the church has been impacted with many of the things in the culture that is impacting everyone else. and i think for a while we've not dealt wit. it's been had for us to come to

grips that could we have people in are radical that are part of us? and i also think that sometimes broad strokes like all christians are christian nationals and things like that, it's made it difficult for us to be able to speak into those things but it's to a point now we can't ignore it. i don't think anyone can say that i'm a white supremist or they would say that they're an extremist or anything like that. but there are things that are taking place that are going deep within evangelical churches. over 30% of evangelical churches believe certain parts of q anon. conspiracy theories are very present. there was a time where the church influenced the political parties. i'm sorry so say the political party in particular for evangelicals have impacted us pretty dramatically. instead of pastors being more prophetic they've become more pundits. >> politic is infecting what

pastors are saying to -- >> tremendously, tremendously. pastors are afraid sometimes to say what they know they need to say because no matter what they say they're going to get in trouble. so when covid was here whether your nwora -- nwora mask or didn't it was a problem. all of this comes into play. and then you've got to understand as christians we do what we do, based on the bible and because we passionately want to follow jesus. and when a preacher stands up and say you've got vote for this person or you're not following jesus, that's not good. and when you have politicians promise that they can fix things, sometimes we can be susceptible to a politician promising to fix something that they can't. or that really -- they really don't have a desire other than to use us for their own political purposes. there's nothing wrong with being in a political party. we all have political views,

that's great. but as christians we have to realize that -- that we are committed to a kingdom that strands any nation. >> are you talking about former president donald trump there or are there any specific leaders that you care about? >> any leader, any leader. i don't care if it's democrat or republican. when we look to a political leader to be our messiah that's when we get in trouble. when we give them pass on morals and integrity and character, thinking that the way to help truth and goodness and righteousness is to make a packet with evil i think that's very dangerous. >> what are the consequences of what you're talk about here? what has been the impact that you've seen speckically on younger pastors? >> it breaks my heart. many of them want to quit. right now we're going through one of the toughest times ever for pastors. they're burned out.

their emotional heath, their mental health is at risk. there are so many studies about this. i talk to pastors tall time and they know they need address certain issues. how do i address this? what do i do? how do i even talk to the people because they're being impacted by conspiracy senior theories, news channels. they're listening to others what their position ought to be more than they are the bible. and so how do you deal with that? and so there's not the same authority in the pulpit sadly for some that comes from political pundits and others. >> to fix this you helped put out this peacemakers tool kit. what are some of the things in that tool kit that you think will nix problem? >> the tool kit was critical for us. i'm sorry to say as evangelicals we don't talk about peace making near as much as we should. you can't read the bible and not see that peace making is not there. so first of all it deals with the theological basis.

what is the basis for peace-making. in the context, we look at at ethics oophagy soucy. love your enemy works in a fantastic way when you're dealing with peace-making. when you're dealing with people that are at odds. the polar zation that is taking place. the isolation that is taking place. the second part deals with scenarios, challenges pastors are faced with. i had a pastor call me, very upset. he said, i don't know what to do. and he has a pretty good size church. he says i've got church member that are joining the militia across the state line in another state. how do i deal with this, bob? how do i even address it? what do i do about that? we try to think what are some of the se se -- scenarios they face. violence is up. and the justification saying violence would be ok in order to bring about a desired result that's not good. but multi-faith neighbors

network wasn't enough with how we're not getting along with muslims and how do we relate to jews? we had to start looking in our own backyard as christians. now, wait a minute, when i started hearing pastors calling for war, when i would hear them trash other religions in the pulpit, challenge with them. but you don't have to challenge a religion. when i see what's taking place in our country at mf and n we had to do something. it's simple. it's not hard. it's not complicated. >> what you just said, are you losing congregants to white supremacist militias or other violent militias in texas? >> don't think. so but we are having people that are leaning that way. and so civil society is one of those things kit be destroyed really quick. it takes decades and years to build up. we can't be silent. civil societies like basket we've >> there are people?

sure. we know we have white supremacists. we know according the f.b.i. one of the biggest challenge that is we face. i don't think you ought to walk in a church and think man, all these white people are white supremists. they're not are there strom? you bet there are. but i'm telling you there's far more people that want to get along. they want to be at peace. and so we've got give tools to push back against this. >> pastor bob roberts jr. of the multi-faith network. thank you for your time. >> thank you. ♪ >> to some, they are rock gods. to other, a trio of nerds. from the 1970 tease the 2000's. the canadian band rush achieved huge success driven by their song writing. after the death of drummer neil,

lead singers stepped away from the stage. but he's returned now in a spoken word tour to accompany his new memoir. lisa spoke with him for our arts and culture series, canvas. ♪ >> their sound was hard to label. for 40 years, the band, rush refused to blend in. becoming rock legends with hard work. 24 gold and 14 platinum albums and touring nearly every single year. ♪ >> their songs about power and identity were unusual then. rock anthems about tenemental health and even a.i. but they're now take on new meaning.

and their lead singer, getty lee is doing something new, pausing to look back with his memoir "my f-ing life." er asked him about the life, virtuosos, some call him the best in history. >> you all spent your life not just being good, but trying to reach a sort of unfathomable level of quality. why push so hard? >> why? it's just in my nature, i think. and i i think my partners share that trait of wanting to do whatever it is that we we we do -- we the as best as we can do it >> their song bolster underdogs and attack toxic power from high school clicks to fascists. meaningful to lee especially.

♪ >> you write in the book how both of your parents survive nazi concentration camps. there's an intense debate right now about hate, that speech, culture and -- and art is part of that. and i wonder, how do you think about the tension now between freeing free speech and rising hate that we see? >> you know, people are smart. people should be able to work -- to discuss things. it's not good for the human race. it's not good for improving things, you you know? it's through discourse and educating each other about the things that are important to have a good safe, peaceful lie. that cannot go away. and when you see that starting to happen, it scares me. it really scares me a lot and i put in mind of what was going on, you folks in in germany -- going on in germany.

there are danger science all over the world right now. and that worried about me a lot. -- and that worries me a lot. >> that's the imagine more rush fans have them, thoughtful, philosophical and different from others in rock. ♪ >> certainly the theme of identity and multiple identities is a big part of the book. >> but his book is cha did and confessional about the reality of music-making. >> you talk about bolivian marching power and doing lines of cocaines in the 70's and 80's. i think your fans would be surprised by that. >> you have to remember, we were very young and suddenly finding ourselves with 23 gigs in a row, for example, driving every night, playing every day. driving, drivingers play, drive, play, drive. and so even our youthful stamina

such as it was every once in a while needed a bit of help. the problem is that it's an insidious drug. and you think you control cocaine but very rarely do you because it takes control of you. >> you asked me earlier about our work ethic and are obsessive to be perfect. well, that's the thing that controlled your drug intake, you know? you can't go right on stage and seek perfection if you're inebriated or distorted or handicapped by a drug. so that's the thing that really did save us. >> i wanted to come back to that community the rush community, the rush fan base, they love you. i know i'm part of that community. i think the rush fan base see themselves as people who don't fit everywhere in society. don't think that society looks at them. and they found something in your music and it's refuge. why do you think that is?

and what does that mean the you? >> it means a hell of a lot to us and it sustained us. >> especially in the 1990's, where his daughter and wife died in separate events. he was shattered and the band took its longest break. >> when he came back to us and we decided to go back on the road, made an album, the day we did our first show in hartford. people had come from all corners in the world to welcome us back. it was so moving. it was so overwhelming. and that's when i realized the depth of their ability to relate to us. now, how did that come to be? it's hard to know. our earliest fans, of course, loved that we played fast and complicateed stuff. and so our earliest band base was largely males an largely other players, young players.

but now, it's changed. we have young musicians of every gender, you know, just falling follow -- following us and study our music, which is of course, the ultimate compliment. >> now, they have become a rock part of rock. challenging but idolized. i have to ask you do you think you could tour musically again? >> yes, i could. will i? it remains to be seen. do i have a desire to do that. ♪ >> however you label his music, he wants more ahead. for the pbs newshour, i'm risk that -- lisa desjardins. >> check out our instagram more from giddy lee.

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