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to the bbc and said the group asked for a number of things, including a clear timetable for the reconstruction of gaza, transfer of the wounded to hospitals abroad. ♪ >> over one million people have crowded into southern gaza since the war started. now the people of rafa fear the invasion reaching them. the u.s. secretary of state has arrived in israel from qatar. we will reflect on what he can achieve and whether a pause in the fighting can be secured before israel's military objectives have been achieved. the king is in norfolk at sandringham, where he's expected to meet prince harry, who flew into the u.k. today. and a blow r donald trump as the appeals court in washington denies him immunity in the election interference case.

very good evening. the u.s. secretaryf state, antony blinken, has landed in israel after his visits to saudi arabia and qatar. with news tonight hamas has given its response to a cease-fire proposal it has been studying for several days. here is the secretary of state before he left doha. >> together with qatar and egypt, we put forward a serious proposal aimed at not simply repeating the previous agreement, but expanding it. as the prime minister diab said, hamas responded tonight. we are reviewing that response now. i will be discussing it with the government of israel tomorrow. there's still a lot owork to be done, but we continue to believe an agreement is possible and indeed essential. we will continue to work relentlessly to achieve it. >> prime ministerethu, who

says israel is starting the response. has given bbc a statement on the proposals. we presented a positive vision, but we ask for amendments relating to the returning of residents to their homes, transferring the wounded for treatment in hospitals abroad, providing shelter for the displaced, and a clear and specific timeline for the reconstruction of gaza. on the opposite side, the israelis say there is more of this military campaign to complete for they are willing to move to the next stage. including an escalation on the southernmost tip of the gaza strip. hundreds of thousands of palestinians have fled to the southern city since october. here's the map showing the most densely populated areas before the evacuation. since then, 1.1 million palestinians have traveled south of gaza. since the fighting intensified, more than one million are thought to be crammed into the small city of rafa.

many of them in temporary shelter and tents. we will get to all of that very shortly. we are just going to break the news coming to us that the former president of chile has been killed in a helicopter crash. the aircraft he was traveling in had encountered bad weather in the south of the country. chile's national disaster agency occurred -- confirmed a crash had occurred. the billionaire businessman had served two terms as president from 2010 to 2014 and from 20182022. we will bring you more on that as we get it. returning to our top story on the middle east. in the past hour, israel's chief military spokesperson said 31 of the remaining hostages in gaza are dead. families have been informed. hamas is still holding 136. let's bring in oliver, who spent

so much time negotiating the release of the israeli shoulder -- soldier. i think the last detail we've heard from the israelis will deepen the pain for families involved because they will know the longer the proposal takes to get across the line, the greater risk to those who are still alive. >> yes, most certainly. that is the case. the families will suffer. the backdrop of all of this is 2.3 million people in gaza are facing a life-changing catastrophe. the sooner an agreement is reached, the sooner we have a permanent cease-fire, the better for all. >> israel has publicly said it has more of the campaign to complete before they moved to this next stage. what do you think the appetite is within the war cabinet to move this negotiation to a cease-fire or a pause?

>> it was two days ago that the prime minister made the statement. they were determined not to have a permanent cease-fire until they fulfill their objectives. the objective was to see the defeat of hamas and dismantle the structure in gaza, the hamas structure. it is very difficult if that is publicly being stated to see how the gap that existed between the two sides, on the one side hamas saying they want a permanent comprehensive cease-fire included. no we see they have extended that demand to include a plan for the reconstruction of gaza. on the other hand, asking for a discussion on the all for all principal, that all the hostages will be handed back, all of the detainees in israeli jails, palestinian prisoners.

netanyahu said that was not up for discussion. it would be very interesting to see how the various partners involved in this negotiation have managed to bridge those gaps. i hope i'm wrong, but i'm not optimistic, especially given the fact all of this is being played out in the public arena. it is not the normal way negotiations take place. >> a hostage release can only happen while there ia cease-fire. egypt and qatar signaling there is about one week to 10 days of this negotiation. is it your view that hamas has the leverage here in respect of the pressure prime minister netanyahu is coming under? >> would say from inside israel, both split and his own party, differences with eden --

differences within even the war cabinet must be putting pressure on him. at the same time, i would like to see the visit of antony blinken to really put external pressure, saying in light of the icj ruling that there was a case to answer, he should be pressing israel for a permanent cease-fire. all of this is going onto the backdrop of 2.3 million people facing a human catastrophe. >> i'm sure secretary blinken is making noises, but the minister was criticizing just the other day the biden administration for hampering the war effort in gaza. i wonder how that will be received among the arab states? they will surely question whether there is a permanent cease-fire on the table, or one that could ever be negotiated.

>> the feedback we are getting from the arab states in the middle east states that we are in constant contact with, it is not only the anger of the populations, but that anger is very much -- at the senior level in different administrations. my worry is the longer this goes is happening to ordinary people in gaza, the more difficult it will be to fin any sort of sustainable stability in the region. i think every day this operation goes on, the more difficult israel will find itself to integrate into the region. i would think normalization would be put on hold. i hope that is the message antony blinken will get across to benjamin netanyahu and his cabinet. >> oliver, thank you for joining us. let's talk about the wider conflict in the region.

two ships, one british owned, the other american, were attacked in the red sea. the u.k. maritime trade operation said the shipmaster was aware of the small craft on his portside before a projectile was fired at the ship. in both cases, houthis have claimed responsibility. the leader said they will further escalate if the israeli attacks on gaza don't stop. joining me in the studio, a middle east analyst for the foundation for defense of democracies. that is really the point oliver was touching on from their perspective. this conflict is grounded, they have the ethics on their side, morality on their side, because they see what is happening in gaza. there seems to be an attitude in london and washington where they want to separate the events. until there is a cease-fire, it doesn't seem they will give up.

>> the ultimate goal of the actor behind the who these, the islamic republic of iran, is to be able to turn on different conflict zones to widen the war to effect and and stay they want. t israel, london, or washington, between israel, and gaza. that is to bailout hamas, the success of the military solution, the military defeat of hamas that israel was a state -- stated by prime minister netanyahu. they may genuinely believe they are intervening on the side of the gazans to save the gazan people, but you have seen this strategy, iran is able to widen a war using military means to achieve a political and state they want. >> you have talked to people on your visit in london and paris. how do the governments see this proposal on the table and what do they want? is it something they can build from towards a permanent cease-fire, or are they still

full square behind israel until and when its military objectives have been met? >> there's a lot of unanswered questions about the most recent cease-fire proposal. you will see what secretary blinken has been saying and what the qatari's have said about what is now being offered between hamas and israel. we will have to wait for the official channels to actually say what has been playing out. in the interim, i sense on this side of the atlantic the longer the conflict goes on, the more potential for damage to be done to western interests. whether you see it with tax and coalition forces in iraq and syria, other forces are located in these places as well. the internationalization of the conflict targeting over 30 vessels in the red sea, you mentioned the most recent story, the attack on a tanker. ere was a great desire to get away -- a political avenue to de-escalating the conflict. in my view, i don't see how that can be done. >> you think there is a conflict in the messaging?

they don't see it from a cease-fire coming up possible solution to the red sea situation? >> i think many see that linkage. but how they can be wasted on to the actors and how you can actually stop the islamic republic from repeating that over time. >> the other important news from secretary blinken and the white house is the saudi's are still interested in the grand bargain, normalizing relations with israel in exchange for a cease-fire and some form of solution for the palestinians. how important is that? that buildings lock specifically in what antony blinken is trying to achieve? >> before october 7, it would have been seen as a crowning achievement in the middle east. politically, there is an appetite for that in washington. if riyadh is going to be a new champion of the palestinian cause, there was great apprehension over what exactly the saudi's would have settled for as a solution to the israeli-palestinian conflict. after the aftermath of why we

are still living through the conflict in gaza, with the saudi's mask for will be much clearer if they are going to be normalizing with the israelis and what they may want from the americans, which was talk of commercial civil nuclear technology and almost something akin to a natal style all -- arctic -- nato style article five is a pushback to those requests well before october 7. >> do the saudi's see a role the arab states in the day after this conflict and the rebuilding of gaza, or will they take their lead on that from israel? >> you have seen different statements, particularly from the emirates, talking about it is not as a regional problems, they would like the actors to step up that our outfall. as a different message from folks in washington who want to broaden the coalition to get as much support possible. i see this as a very strong but short-term stumbling block.

>> thank you for coming in. around the world and across the u.k., you are watching bbc news. taking a quick look at the stories making headlines here in the u.k.. the metropolitan police have released new images of the man wanted in connection with the corrosive liquid attack last week. police tracked him moving near southern briggs towards victoria embankment. the former chancellor is standing down as mp at the next election. he served at the treasury for just six week in 2022 and was sacked following the much criticized mini budget. more than 18 current mp's had said they would leave parliament in the next election. 8 million people on means tested benefits are now receiving their final cost-of-living payment to help with those high prices and bills. the 290 nine pound payment will go directly into bank accounts

of those eligible before the 22nd of february without the need to claim. no further payments are scheduled of this kind. charities are urging the government to consider more support. donald trump is not immune from prosecution for the alleged crimes he committed during his presidency to reverse the 2020 election. rejecting unanimously the former presidents immunity arguments, the appeals court in washington said public terest in holding a president accountable outweighed the potential negative impacts on the office of the presidency. it is a setback for mr. trump, and opens the way for the trial to resume, probably in late spri. our north american correspondent is in washington for us tonight. this is a thorough dismantling of donald trump's arguments. notable it was unanimous.

>> it is a huge setback for donald trump. this has been his defense. that because he was not convicted of impeachment by congress, his lawyer's argument was he should not face criminal proceedings. but the ruling by the three judges is eviscerating. i don't know if you went through all of it. but one thing that stood out for me was they said his immunity claims would reject the most fundamental check on executive power and it would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the president beyond the reach of all three branches. essentially what they were saying is let's say the immunity claim was stood. if you go by the logic, it would mean that president could call for the political assassination of a rival, or they could steal state documents and sell them on and not face any criminal proceedings. any criminal prosecution. their argument is it is not

former president trump, it is citizen donald trump, and he will be treated like any other criminal defendant. >> thank you for that. let's bring in karen morrison, associate professor of law at georgia state. the question now is whether the supreme court takes it up, how long before they make that decision? >> it is hard to say. the appellate court gave donald trump until february 12 to file his petition to be heard by the supreme court. the supreme court kind of acts by its own rules. so there is no real timetable for them to decide. however, the fact the case was unanimous leaves open the possibility they might just say we decline to hear this case. in which case, the appellate court judgment would stand and they can resume. >> until that decision is made, what does the judge at the trial court do? earlier in the week, i thinkhe

put the jurors on hold. can that trial continue? can they start preparing for that trial while the supreme court takes its decision? >> most likely not. i think what would be the case would be held in advance or suspended until the supreme court decided. if they decide to take the case, that will take longer because not only do they have to decide if they are taking it, they have to make up their minds on what they want to do about it. >> a lot of people said the nature of the judgment, the fact it was unanimous, is almost a signal to the supreme court. it is such an important matter in constitutional law for the united states, you wonder whether some of the justices might want to decide on it? it would only require four to vote. do you wonder if they would want the final say it? >> absolutely. there is a possibility they

could decline. who can say? i think there is a good chance if only to say in best case scenario, the appellate court got it right, changing a few things here and there. there is a possibility they might overturn the appellate court. but it is very well reasoned and a complete opinion. it seems logical. it does not make sense a president could call for the sassination of a political rival and ago about his business when not president and not have to face any criminal charges. it doesn't make sense anyone should be above the law. i don't think his chances are good, of winning this. but the delay is -- he's going to move faster than if he had not had a major setback.

>> i think that is the point, all of these procedural moves have been about stalling the trial. but it now moves at a quicker pace. can you see as perhaps last week you may not have seen, a situation where this gets to a verdict before the election in november? >> it is not impossible. if the supreme court wants to move quickly, they can. they could conceivably come out with a decision by the end of march. the case could go ahead by may, there could be a verdict. that is assumingverything goes smoothly. and it is not a certainty by any means. >> as it goes on, he does raise money on it. not all bad for donald trump. a jury has found a michigan

mother guilty of manslaughter for failing to stop her son from carrying out a deadly school shooting. jennifer crumbley is the first u.s. parent convicted of manslaughter over a mass shooting carried out by their child. speaking to a new york correspondent. bad parenting can be prosecuted, is that what we are getting? >> it is illegal. the first time a parent rather than a perpetrator has faced these kind of criminal charges. there have been all sorts of tempts over the years. amid this epidemic of gun violence in america to hold parties accountable, gun manufacturers, civil cases against schools or parents. but this is the first criminal case of this kind. undoubtedly significant in a

conservative part of middle america. a jury deciding that there was enough evidence, that jennifer crumbley could have foreseen the actions of her son, and she failed to stop him, therefore finding her guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. one for each of the students he shot and killed in november 2021. >> the debate is always over red flag laws and whether you can stop people with mental health problems from acquiring guns. and there were warning signs within the family that some did have problems. >> which was at the heart of the prosecution case. this is one state or there are suggestions it is likely to be appealed. it is difficult to say how much of a legal precedent this sets across america. it is nonetheless significant

and will be food for thought for anybody thinking of buying their children a gun from this point onwards. and gun-control campaigners will welcome that. the substance of this case was simply the argument from prosecutors that there were plenty of warning signs. ethan crumbley, the 15-year-old perpetrator, his signs of mental ill health, the fact there had been a number of warning signs. disturbing drawings the school had brought to his parents attention. but the argument in court was they had not done enough to warn e school. on the very same morning they were contacted to say that there were concerns about their son, they allowed him to return to class without telling the school he even owned a gun. he had been bought a handgun as an early christmas present.

and he went on to shoot 4 of his classmates dead and injure a number of others. that is what is at the heart of this case. in terms of what precedent it sets, that will be for the next stages of the legal process if there is an appeal. >> the conviction is involuntary manslaer. does that pertain to each of the four victims? what sort of sentence are we talking about? >> one charge for each of the 4 people killed in that shooting by ethan crumbley. those charges carry a maximum of 15 years each. likely, as i understand it, to be served concurrently. jennifer crumbley is looking at possibly up to 15 years in jail. >> john said with in new york, very interesting. we will get some news on that in the second half of our program. we will go to a short break.

on the other, some extraordinary weather in the state of california over the last two days and the implications of that. also, we will talk about the situation in turkey. a year on from the devastating earthquake. we will bring you some news on that. do stay with us. narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... man: bdo. accountants and advisors. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ announcer: "usa today" calls it, "arguably the best bargain in streaming." that's because the free pbs app lets you watch the best of pbs anytime, anywhere.

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