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leaders. some of whom work with you and they say you are a disgrace. >> democrats say they are very happy with how kamala harris managed to keep donald trump on the defensive going after him or getting under his skin leaving him looking angry and rattled. ♪ >> in the city of brotherly love, kamala harris and donald trump go to war. who finished on top in pennsylvania? we will get the view tonight of the pollsters. an hour from now we will pull it apart with our expert panel. also tonight, misery in port alber as the transition to cleaner steel production lays waste to two and a half thousand jobs. is the move to d carbonized the economy leading britain to an another period of deindustrialization? ? and the visit to kyiv. the visit -- the british foreign

secretary and counterpart are in listening mode. has the balance shifted on the use of long-range weapons? very good evening. senior republicans are bemoaning donald trump's performanceast night in the first and potentially only televised bacon with vice president harris. several times throughout the more than 90 minute debate in philadelphia, vice president bay to trump on many of the issues shknew would get under her opponents skin. they start over the size of his rallies, his electoral defeat in 2020 and the world leaders she said were laughing at him. from the opening exchange, it seemed to work. former president did land some blows drawing attention to bidens record on the economy and kamala harris's role on that but polls suggest it was miss harris who came out on top. the most important poll, the one on election day remains in the balance. from philadelphia, here is our north america editor sarah

smith. >> at a september 11 memorial service, it was donald trump who orchestrated a cordial greeting this morning. quit a contrast. kamala harris straining across the stage last night to demand a handshake from a reluctant debate. she had come prepared to push his buttons. >> people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. >> promoting and up substantiated rant about illegal migrants in ohio. >> in springfield they are eating the dogs. they are eating the cats. they are eating the pets of the people who live there. >> watch both their faces. he is clearly selling with barely contained frustration. she is enjoying mocking and laughing at him. but deadly serious when attacking him on abortion rights. >> the government and donald trump certainly should not be telling woman what to do with her body. ms. harris said she would try to

reinstate the right to have an abortion should >> her vice presidential pig says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. >> mr. trump rightly -- strict trump wrongly claimed democrats support abortion up to and after birth. that provoked a fact-check. >> there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a bab after it is born. >> a flustered donald trump relied duly on attacking the administration's record on immigration. >> where are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border? ? how come she is not doing anything? >> democrats say they are happy with outcome will harris managed to keep donald trump on the offensive going after him or getting under his skin and leaving him looking rattled and defensive. he made an unexpected personal appearance to try to spin his own verdict. >> i lose votes or gain votes. . this was my best debate. i thought it was very good. i thought she was weak on foreign policy. she was very weak on the border.

>> at the same time a confident harris campaign immediately suggested a second debate next month. she >> wanted because she lost. >> do you have an answer? >> i have to think about it. if you won the debate, i sort of think i shouldn't do it. >> most debate celebrations under the harris camp were kept by a huge celebrity endorsement as taylor swift cleared after watching the event she will be voting for kamala harris. sarah smith, bbc news, philadelphia. >> let's>> find out what difference that might make to the race in those crucial swing states. john mchenry is vice president -- is vice president of northstar opinion research. one senior republican i watched today who is a troves -- a close ally to donald trump said it was a land of this opportunity's for their candidate last night. when you associate his performance with the key issues voters care about, where for you

did he fail to hit the mark? >> maybe the most stunning thing last night was he failed to ever use the phrase biden harris administration and closely tie her to any americans frustration with how the economy is doing. what they are doing -- what they are seeing on inflation. what they are seeing on immigration. he never really explained president joe biden said she was going to lead the administration's efforts on controlling the border. he referenced a lot of different points but not in a coherent way. >> we talked about the 28% in the time siena poll who said they wanted to know more about kamala harris. did she do enough in your mind to introduce herself to those voters last night? >> she certainly did not make any real stumbles. i don't know if it was a fallback point but she throughout the trap questioning

the effectiveness of his rallies and he was not the same candidate after that point in the debate. she let him take over, let him give all of his talking points and was able to sit back and be calm and not make any fumbles over the course of the evening. i think in that sense she might not have revealed much about herself but she allayed some concerns she was not able to handle the pressure of a debate. >> from a democratic perspective reading the comments this afternoon, it would seem they had a better night. even the most optimistic among them could have hop. there is a word of warning that their candidate in 2016 hillary clinton probably won all three debates and still lost the general election. >> we will see the effect of this debate over the course of the next week. we will not have good scientific polling until a week from now on the effect of the debate but if she does not hit 50% or higher nationally, that suggests

trouble from her because democrats typically need to be above that point to win the electoral college. we will see in state like pennsylvania where they are tied right now, voters believe she supports fracking or do they believe former president trump that she opposes fracking? when they do research for themselves, they might be disappointed but that should come out over the course of the next week. those states, pennsylvania, georgia, north carolina, michigan, arizona, wisconsin, those are going to be where we see the effectiveness of this debate. everything else is well locked in. she is not going to lose california. she ought to win. california by 5 million votes she will win new york. donald trump woman florida ohio, texas. it is those six or seven swing states including nevada that will tell the tale. >> what about the endorsement from taylor swift? around 250 million followers on instagram. many of them young women. i cannot imagine any of them

were unaware of her support for kamala harris before this endorsement. what difference do you think it might make? >> honesy i don't know it affects a single boat. i think the swifties are owing to be harris voters anyway. it seemed strangely time from the perspective of anything the biggest pop superstar in the world announcing her endorsement on the day when kamala harris won the debate seemed to step on the story. theyould've used that later in the week to build a sense of momentum. >> we will put that to our panel a little later. a final thought. a second debate. some thought it might be on nbc 25th of september. maybe something on fox. who would benefit more from a second debate? >> any opportunity to give, harris a chance to slip up probably benefits donald trump. i cannot imagine he does in nbc debate.

is going to say they will be just as biased against me as abc was. if nothing else, you can tell one social media but letting about the moderators. when republicans are planning about the moderators it is not a good night for their candidate. if it is on fox news, if they both agree to that, benefits donald trump because it gives him a second shot at it. it is an opportunity for kamala harris to enter word salad land where people go maybe she is not as sharp as i thought she was. if i was her i would stay away from the next debate. >> thank you for coming up. >> my pleasure. >> if you want to hear more analysis on the set -- on the presidential debate, you can this into a special episode of america on bbc sounds. . i did listen to it this morning. it was very good. i would point you in that direction. now, in the debate, donald trump refused to answer whether he wanted ukraine to win the war prompting kamala harris to warn the former president would abandon key have to curry favor

with vladimir putin. tear some ofhat exchange. >> do you believe it is in the u.s. best interest for ukraine to win the war? >> i think it is in u.s. best interest to get it finished and get it done. we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed. >> i believe the reason donald trump says this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would give it up. if donald trump was president, putin would be sitting in kyiv right now. >> for now the white house stand squarely behind ukraine and today the u.s. a good terry of state antony blinken joined his british counterpart on a visit to kyiv. the buddhist government has announced the u.k. will provide ukraine with a further 600 million pounds of support. the bigger question is whether they will see to ukrainian demands they be allowed to use those longer-range missiles against targets inside russia. he told the bbc iran's recent decision to supply pressure with ballistic missiles had changed the debate.

>> we are seeing russia amplify its work with its friends and we have seen this horrendous transfer of blistic missiles from iran to russia over the last few days. we have sanctioned further the russian shadow fleet today. my colleague john healy has announced more ammunition, more armored vehicles, more support to ukraine's military effort at this time. we are here to listen. that is why i am here with tony blken. > on friday sir keir starmer will visit washington to discuss the issue with president biden. here's the secretary of state speaking in kyiv a short time ago. >> we remain fully committed to ukraine's victory to not only insuring ukraine can defend itself today but can stand on its own feet strongly militarily, economically,

democratically for many days ahead. to securing the path the ukrainian people have chosen toward crater integration in the euro atlantic community including nato to getting a lasting peace. the bottom line is this. we want ukraine to win. we are fully committed to keep marshaling the support it needs for its great defenders and citizens to do just that. >> that was secretary of state. but speak to a ukrainian youth delegate to the u.n. who serves on president zelenskyy's youth affairs council. welcome to the program. what did you make of what you have heard from the two foreign secretaries today? >> good evening. we as ukrainians are not anymore in the first lines of the news. any visit like this plays a significant rol the work continues everyday. . it is 24/7. sometimes it is 24/7 for

civilians. speaking about frontline cities. having such a visit especially as we are talking about getting ukraine the permsion to hit russia back. i am from kharkiv. from my city it is important we don't allow russia to use its air bombers. so that we push them from the ukrainian border. the more chance of lasting peace we have. >> david lemi said they were in kyiv to listen to understand the plan. what in your mind would these longer-range missiles be used for and what sort of targets does president zelenskyy have in mind? >> in may if i'm not mistaken, some restrictions were lifted. this pushed some military objects of pressure further from the russian border. this means we have more time to

see what is flying toward ukraine when we speak about the airstrike alarm which is usually hitting civilian objects here in ukraine. for us as you have seen with ukraine using its own drones, either it is using weste military recruitment, there were no civilian casualties. >> the further and further you push them back, the more time you have to react and respond, the less pressure it puts on the air defense system. >> also it allows us to continue our military operations near the border and what is most important, it is disrupting russian logistics near the front line. >> the concern of course is it would lead to a further escalation. moscow said today the response to any change would be appropriate. previously they said it could lead to serious problems with some in washington fearing that might mean nuclear weapons. how would you respond to that concern?

>> for two and a half years we have been hearing the word escalation, red line. the first time we talked about inviting ukraine with artillery m triple seven or with high mers or the f-16, that was redlines. then ukraine crossed another redline of putin. we attract russia -- we attacked russia. that was a red line. they said this will lead to escalation. the war has already been a full-scale invasion for two and a half years which means russia has already crossed the possible lines by hitting civilians, by committing hundreds of thousands of war crimes in ukraine. we don't think -- we are not afraid of any escalation because we just want to achieve the peace. that ukraine will have lasting peace and i hope you will support us in this fight. >> very quickly, what did you

make of donald trump's answer last night as to whether he wants ukraine to win? >> you know, we are forming -- my social media was people analyzing what is there. we still don't hear the real position of donald trump. we don't understand his plan. at the same time, we are all waiting. it is hard to comment and see what is coming. e biggest thing ukrainians can do is when russians on the battle field. thank you for your support. and thank you for secretary blinken and your secretary for visiting us today. >> always good to talk to you. thank you for coming on. around the world and across the u.k., you're watching bbc news. ♪

>> u.k. the economy flatlined in july for the second month in row according to official figures. manufacturing and construction declined, services spurred on by

a busy summer of sport the only part of the economy to record some growth. the chancellor rachel reese said next month's budget will involve difficult surgeons on tax, spending and welfare. >> the british economy was supposed to have been boosted by a consumer sing spree around summer sporting success such as the euros football. today's figure and an experience at the seven aside league in manchester is the recovery is fragile. >> i would not say the cost-of-living crisis is over. i guess we are in period of change with the government changing. >> food prices went up insanely during covid and they have never come back down again. . we are still getting price gouged for day-to-day groceries. mort -- >> all the taxes and everything. i feel like they can be directed to people that are more well-off because we are struggling already. >> in northamptonshire at a technical college next to the

silverstone grand prix track, the chancellor was hailing at a billion pound investment from amazon but defended her decision to scrap universe are one tool -- universal winter fuel payments. >> these are the decisions we wanted or expected to make the circumstances that we face they were the right decisions to get our public finances back on a firm footing. >> the conservatives wanted to do this in 2015. you did not choose to be clear to level with the what people this was an option. >> in our manifesto is a commitment to the triple lock. triple love means pensions is worth 900 pounds worth -- 900 pounds more this winter. the pension is expected to go up by a further 460 pounds next april. >> the chancellor ones to prepare the public for the further pain in the budget and to be able to blame the on the previous government. yet at the same time, she wants international investors like

amazon to hear a message of optimism about the british economy to carry on investing billions of pounds. that is a tricky message to pull off. back in manchester in some of the developments hit by years of lockdown and inflation, consumers are outspending in earnest. >> i think it is not that people have stopped wanting to go out. the landape has changed. the economic landscape. the decisions people are making when they choose to go out. however, the action-packed summer of sport was an absolute brilliant boost i think for us. i'm sure it has been for all of the venues similar to ours. >> with interest rates falling, the hope was that businesses and households would confidently invest in an economy that definitively turned a corner. that is no longer certain. >> meanwhile the new labor government has announced they will spend 500 million pounds to support the closure of the old furnaces at the steel plant in

port albert and the transition to new electronic -- to new electric technology will be a cleaner way of producing steel. these furnaces are much better suited to recycling. what that will mean in the interim is two end have thousand job losses will be confirmed. now with a further 300 expected to be made redundant in the future. the business secretary jonathan reynolds acknowledged the package falls short of what would be his ideal. he said the labor government had secured better terms in the last conservative government for those losing their jobs. >> we cannot some secure nude -- where we cannot procure new jobs and training i can tell the house we have helped to secure new terms on redundancies. employees are able to express an interest in the generous voluntary redundancy package the company has offered for a restructuring of the size. employees be paid 2.8 weeks of earnings for each year of service up to a maximum of 25 years. >> pleased to say tom wales,

senior organizer for the gmb union is with us. good evening to you. the last shipment of iron ore came into the docks last week. one blast furnace closed. the second by the end of the month. what happens in the interim now and the new furnace being built in the future? >> there is a whole set of decommissioning that needs to take place. there will be a whole consultation of what jobs need to go. as far as the construction of the furnace itself there is a lot of work to get underway over the next few weeks. today was not -- we were happy today then three months ago with the announcement today. this was not the ideal result for the unions. >> can you explain that to us? the labor mps argued in opposition they wanted more support and a blend of primary iron and steel making capability. nothing like that has been

agreed today. i'm at a loss what is different between today's announcement and what the tories announced last year. >> there have been major concessions from the company about what happens to the workforce. as a union, that is our primary concern. what that will see is more scales offered to those being made redundant. opportunities for further investment in the future. that is to be discussed. i don't want to go too much into those figures. obviously commercial sensitivities. there are options there. it is chalk and cheese from the previous agreement. it will not make a big difference. there is a serious question for the british people and british government which is what is the plan moving forward? what we do not want to see is more jobs being offshore to countries abroad particularly -- -- >> that is an important point. there is this broader issue about decarbonization. the client -- the transition to cleaner manufacturing. we were told by several governments that during the

transition thousands of jobs would be created. where is the industrial strategy that guarantees that? >> absolutely. there needs to be one. we cannot see another tartar. we will be working with our colleagues in the labour party. green jobs, there is no just transition without a jobs based transition. what we can't see is thousands of working-class people and good unionized jobs thrown away for an equivalent set up in countries that do not adhere to cop agreements but also don't produce quality jobs. for us we think it is important as the government works on airplanes moving forward we need a modern industrial strategy that recognizes we are not going to bable to offshore our carbon commitments. if we are serious about tackling climate change how we can make sure we produce green industries in this country. >> are there other plans and industries facing similar

problems to port albert? >> the truth is any industry that is carbon intensive will be facing this. their are big questions under the coming months. we look forward to working with this government. this one's ears are open and they try to tackle the problem. >> good to talk to you. thank you for coming on the program. we will take a short break. the other side of the break we will dig into more of that tv debate last night. we will talk about the social media ban that might be coming in for teenagers in australia. ♪ announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james. announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪

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