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this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. geoff: welcome to the “news hour.” one of the world's most-hunted men is dead. sinwar was killed by israeli troops yesterday in southern gaza. today, and after dna testing, israel confirmed the mastermind of the october 7 attacks on israel was indeed dead. amna: those terror attacks just over a year ago killed more than single day for jews since the c

were a necessary tool in

reigniting the palestinian cause. but the war he helped launch, has destroyed gaza, and the lives of its people. but he also defined victory as his and the group's survival. and today, sinwar and nearly all of hamas' leadership is dead. geoff: we know tony blinken is heading. to the region. what is his goal? nick: on hostages he hopes new leadership in hamas will be able to make a deal that sinwar is not. on the day after the u.s. has been negotiating with arab partners to take over security in gaza as a transition to palestinian authority governance but there is no agreement between arab partners or with benjamin netanyahu. so the u.s. sees this as an opportunity but knows it will be difficult to translate it into progress. geoff: nick schifrin, our thanks to you as always. amna: for more perspective we

have a retired major general yaacov ayish retired in 2016 after a 36 year career in the israel defense forces. he's now at the jewish institute for national security of america, a non profit that advocates for closer us-israeli relations. and hussein ibish is a senior resident scholar at the arab gulf states institute in washington which advocates for closer relations between the u.s. and countries in the persian gulf. welcome to you both. start with the reaction -- >> palestinians had a mixed reaction. a lot of anger against israel. in the west bank people are more

removed from the consequences of the october 7 blowback which has taken at least 42,000, probably many more lives. in gaza interestingly there appears to be delight because they blame him rightly for having volunteered the entire population for martyrdom. amna: we heard earlier prime minister netanyahu says sinwar's death is the beginning of the end but also israel will not stop the war in gaza. what do you think of that? >> i think we should look at the broad picture.

to restore -- we have to eliminate hamas infrastructure and eliminate hamas military leadership. amna: what does sinwar's death mean? who steps up for him? and does this change iran's support? n >> no. hamas does not fit well in the iranian alliance. as for who is next to the is a slight chance the hotel dies as he used to call the former political leaders mainly in

turkey could try to get control back. it is more likely that leadership will fall either to an armed person in gaza or perhaps a diverse set of armed leaders. the insurgency that developed after the rafah never materiali. we can look at the last 12 months. sinwar was a negotiator and we could not succeed to bring back the hostages unless it was a

rescue operation. basically 101 hostages are at the other side. and for that the israeli prime minister came out today after sinwar was eliminated calling to those who are holding the hostages. to send them back to israel. then they would be given a free pass gaza or elsewhere. i would like to go back to a second to the future leadership of hamas. it is a very important point. definitely iran, hamas, and hezbollah have suffered in the last two months a severe blow when it comes to leadership. hamas today practically speaking has lost all of its leadership. now we are seeing whatever the iranians are preparing to survive israel, the ring,

corrects -- i think the future leader of hamas is a very important leader here. hamas already decided who has more orientation towards qatar. he will be the temporary leader. i am not sure the iranians are going to enjoy this. >> i think that is right. if he is the obvious person to take over as the leader, i am just doubtful people on the ground will be listening to him. if he tries to give up on the insurgency taking place that is a bigger asked. i am not sure real power on the ground goes back to what sinwar tells the hotel guys.

amna: if we pull back just a bit. this is a point for the u.s. to apply pressure on the netanyahu government, to try to get back to some kind of talks which everyone agrees is the only chance for long-term peace in the region. >> it is absolutely essential for the knotted states put heavy pressure on israel as well as keep up pressure on hamas and its supporters outside including iran and others, to kind of put the case they are all harming themselves. when you fight counterinsurgency's, the difficulty of any of them is great. and the israelis are kind of stuck. hamas too has brought terrible damage not just to gaza but their own political standing. people are angry with hamas, for

good reason. >> i must admit i am surprised here. i will not describe all the atrocities they have done. the iranians decided to attack together with the militia from iraq and the houthis from yemen. and israel should now show restraint? this is unbelievable. >> 42,000 dead palestinians is not enough? it is enough. >> what is really important is not the number of hamas terrorists that were killed. what really matters is to see the hostages back in israel and the threat conducted by hamas from gaza and by hezbollah in the north eliminated. and security restored. bear in mind that today in the

north and the south, israelis are not back to their villages. at the end of the day i think we will have first and foremost to eliminate the threat and then we will be able to discuss all the security arrangements that will follow. we have a cease-fire with hamas and a cease-fire with hezbollah. they decided to surprise us. amna: generalif i may, to his e, this idea that hamas will continue to fight whether they are organized and supported or not, is this a missed opportunity for netanyahu to begin to have some kind of long-term peace talks that have not happened before? >> the opportunity was given to sinwar and his militants for negotiations. after 12 months we have seen nothing from them. amna: with sinwar dead, does

that change netanyahu's calculation? >> netanyahu came out today with a clear offer to allow free pass to those who are going to release the hostages. it is very good stuff. now we have to wait and see who is the leader. at the same time we are talking about leadership, certain gangs are holding hostages inside gaza. it is really a challenge and we have to wait and see to what effect this offer is influencing the situation on the ground. >> hamas would love to hear all of that. amna: thank you both. ♪

geoff: we start the day's other headlines in brussels, where ukraine's president volodymyr zelekyy is making the case for his victory plan to european leaders and nato officials. zelenskyy urged an e.u. leaders summit to increase support for ukraine's military, and claimed ukraine has intelligence that 10,000 troops from north korea are coming to join russia on the battlefield. zelenskyy told reporters that ukraine either needs nato membership, or nuclear weapons. >> either ukraine will have nuclear weapons, and then this is defense for us, or we should have some kind of an alliance. today, we do not know any effective alliances other than nato. this is why we choose nato, not nuclear weapons. we are choosing nato. geoff: after the e.u. meetings, zelenskyy made his way across brussels to a meeting of nato defense ministers. it was the first such gathering

under new nato chief, mark rutte, who said that ukraine will indeed become a nato member, but did not specify when that will be. the u.s. military says it carried out a series of strikes in yemen, targeting five underground bunkers used by houthi rebels. it's the first time the u.s. has used long-range b-2 stealth bombers against the iran-backed group. the strikes are an apparent warning to iran, with pentagon officials saying they demonstrate the abilities of the u.s. military to strike hard-to-reach targets. >> we can strike targets of this nature anytime, anywhere from around the world. to my knowledge, this was noa repeat strike. again, this was to go after very specific capabilities that the houthis were storing deep underground. geoff: the iran-backed houthi rebels have been attacking ships in the red sea for months in a show of solidarity with the palestinian people over the war in gaza. in georgia, a grand jury has indicted a father and son for the mass shooting at apalachee

high school last month that killed four people. colin gray faces 29 counts, which include second-degree murder, manslaughter, and reckless conduct. his son, the 14-year-old accused shooter, faces 55 charges, including felony murder and malice murder. their next court appearance is set for late november. it's the latest example of authorities trying to hold the parents of mass shooting suspects accountable for their children's alleged crimes. the biden administration has now canceled student loans for one million public service workers. officials crossed that milestone today with their latest $4.5 billion debt relief installment that was provided to 60,000 teachers, firefighters, nurses, and other public servants. all told, the administration has forgiven more than $175 billion for about five million borrowers. those efforts come even as president biden's broader student loan forgiveness plans face legal challenges from some republican-led states.

americans ramped up their shopping last month, as low unemployment and steady pay gains offset worries about high prices. retail sales jumped 0.4% in september when compared to the month before. that's a third-straight monthly increase, and signals ongoing consumer confidence heading into the vital holiday period. separately, the number of americans filing for unemployment benefits fell unexpectedly last week by 19,000. claims had spiked the week before, due to the impact of recent hurricanes in the southeast. the economic data gave wall street a bit of a lift today, but not much. the dow jones industrial average rose about 160 points to reach a new all-time high. the nasdaq added about 6 points, so a tiny gain there. the s&p 500 slipped by a single point, so basically flat on the day. and liam payne's former one direction bandmates say they're completely devastated by the singer's sudden death. the four issued a joint statement today, saying our

thoughts are with his family, his friends, and the fans who loved him alongside us. an official autopsy confirmed payne suffered multiple traumas after falling from his hotel balcony in buenos aires yesterday. the hotel had called 911 about a guest overwhelmed with drugs and alcohol. payne saw massive fame in the 2010's as a member of the british boy-band, one direction. they split in 2016, and payne pursued a solo career. ♪ overnight, loyal fans, known as directioners, gathered to sing his music, and to process their loss. >> i started listening to one direction when i was 11 years old. i was never able to see to them live. they broke up. there was always talk about the return, the reunion, at least symbolically, but it won't be able to happen anymore. geoff: in recent years, payne spoke openly on social media about his struggles with fame

and sobriety. he was 31 years old. and mitzi gaynor, the acting, singing, and dancing triple-threat of hollywood's golden age of musicals, has died. ♪ her portrayal of nellie forbush in the 1958 film, "south pacific," earned a golden globe nomination. it was a highlight in a glittering career that spanned eight decades across film, television, and stage. for years she appeared in tv variety specials alongside stars like frank sinatra, bing crosby, and dean martin. and at one point she was the highest paid female entertainer in las vegas. mitzi gaynor died of natural causes in los angeles. she was 93 years old. still to come on the “news hour,” kamala harris and donald trump continue their push for undecided voters. a bipartisan commission recommends the secret service

seek new leadership outside of its ranks after multiple security failures. and we examine the presidential candidates' stark differences on climate change policy. >> this is the pbs “news hour” from the david m. rubenstein studio at weta in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. amna: early in-person voting started in the battleground state of north carolina today, a reminder that election day is just around the corner. both candidates are trying to broaden their appeal to different groups of voters in these crucial final days. we begin tonight in wisconsin, where vice president harris's campaign schedule was briefly interrupted by news out of the middle east. lisa desjardins has our coverage. >> today israel confirmed that yahya sinwar is dead. laura: vice president harris

spoke on the sidelines of a stop in milwaukee today after israel announced it had killed the head of hamas. >> this moment gives us an opportunity to finally end the war in gaza. and it must end such that israel is secure. the hostages are released. the suffering in gaza ends. and the palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination. laura: this comes on the heels of a contentious fox news appearance last night. the interview was heated from the start, when harris defended the biden administration's record on immigration. >> the first bill, practically within hours of taking the oath, was a bill to fix our immigration system. [crosstalk] may i finish responding, please?

you have to let me finish. laura: later harris distance herself from the president when asked what she would do differently in the white house. >> let me be very clear. my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. laura: she said she represents a new generation. her most passionate moment came in response to former president trump's recent threats to turn the military against quote, enemies within. >> this is a democracy. and in a democracy the president of the united states in the united states of america should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it. laura: for his part mr. trump reached out to latino voters in a univision town hall last night near miami. audience members post questions including on immigration. trump has recently said he wants to limit legal immigration.

>> we have to have a lot of people come into our country. we just want them to come in legally. because they have released hundreds of thousands of people that are murderers, drug dealers, terrorists. nobody news -- nobody knows who they are or where they come from. >> i want to give you the opportunity to win back my vote. laura: later a vote said he was disturbed by trump's inaction on january 6. >> that was a day of love. they didn't come because of me. he came because of the election. they thought the election was a rigged election and that is why they came. some of those people went down to the capital. they did nothing wrong at all. laura: this as we learned about scathing words about trump from another gop leader. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell privately called trump

stupid as well as ill tempered and a despicable human being. as the former president was trying to overturn the election. publicly mcconnell endorsed trump this year. in a statement today he pointed out lindsey graham and j.d. vance have criticized in the past as well but quote we are all on the same team now. >> we are not giving kamala harris a promotion. laura: j.d. vance was back on the trail in battleground pennsylvania today. farther down the east coast, harris's running mate tim walz campaigned with former president bill clinton in north carolina, where early voting started today. he also stopped at a campaign office turned collection site for supplies in the aftermath of hurricane helene. nearly all planned voting sites are up and running just three weeks after the hurricane devastated parts of the state. for the pbs "news hour," i'm lisa desjardins. ♪

geoff: abortion access is a top issue this election at both the state and federal levels. a number of states will have measures to protect reproductive rights on their ballots this november, and in key battlegrounds, like arizona and nevada, these measures could have an impact on the presidential race. our white house correspondent laura barron-lopez spent time in both states recently and filed this report. >> i think he's going to love these flowers . laura: crystal price comes to this cemetery in mesa, arizona almost once a month. it's where her son noble is buried. at noble's grave she and her family leave flowers, write messages and take a moment of silence. almost six years ago, crystal had an abortion in her 22nd week of pregnancy, when complications threatened her life.

>> i was coming in and out of consciousness. i lost so much blood and it was a really scary -- it was just really scary. laura: what was going through your mind when you heard the doctor say that you needed to terminate the pregnancy? >> it was just excruciatingly hard to know that i was choosing to end the life of my son, but also knowing that it was the right choice for me and for my circumstances, that my life was important, my family needed me and i wanted to live. i didn't want to associate my experience with my child with the word abortion. but that's what it was. laura: arizona law only allows abortions for medical

emergencies. after the supreme court struck down roe v. wade in 2022, the state banned abortion after 15 weeks, with no exceptions for rape or incest. but this year, voters like crystal will weigh in on proposition 139, which would enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution, until fetal viability, generally considered to be around 24 weeks. arizona is one of 10 states with measures protecting reproductive rights on the ballot this november. how do you plan on voting on that ballot measure? >> i'll be supporting and voting yes on proposition 139. just reading the language, i became very emotional and i was brought to tears as i considered the views that i've had in the past where i thought abortion was completely wrong. and then having had personal experiences and realizing it's not so black and white. laura: in neighboring nevada, abortion is currently allowed

until 24 weeks under state law, but a yes vote for the ballot measure, proposition 6, would protect it in the state's constitution. vice president harris has made reproductive rights a key part of her campaign. and democrats are hopeful that ballot measures protecting abortion access in arizona and here in nevada could boost turnout. on the trail, harris is drawing sharp contrasts between herself and republican rival donald trump when it comes to abortion access. >> this is the same guy who said that women should be punished for having abortions. laura: the former president has offered a more conflicted message, taking credit for appointing three supreme court justices who voted to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion, but claiming that he'd veto a national 15-week abortion ban. then saying he'd allow states to restrict reproductive rights. >> you will be protected, and i will be your protector.

you will no longer be thinking about abortion! laura: still, anti-abortion activists like melissa clement with nevada right to life, are confident that donald trump is the best conduit for their cause. >> i don't think we have time to worry about whether or not it's a 15-week ban or anything like that. even if he's pro-choice, which he may or may not be, he's not pro-abortion like harris and walz are. they're completely pro-abortion. and that's the only thing they care about. and when the choice is so stark, you know, i've got to say that president trump is the best choice for every pro-life voter, for every pro-choice voter, for every pro-woman voter. laura: for decades, republicans have used abortion to motivate voters, helping lead to the fall of roe. >> people want to talk about protecting the right to abortion. laura: now, as states take matters into their own hands, clement sees ballot measures, like nevada's, as a political

move by democrats to juice turnout. >> given the fact that we're up against tens of millions of dollars, and quite honestly, a media that is that is biased towards abortion, we have a high mountain to climb. laura: the fate of these two abortion measures in the southwest battlegrounds could be determined by latino voters, who make up 25% of eligible voters in arizona and 22% in nevada, the majority of whom are mexican-american. canvassers like liliana trejovanegas, who works with reproductive freedom for all, say engaging with people who come from the same background is helpful to make abortion care feel accessible. while canvassing in las vegas, liliana often shares her own abortion story, as a 19-year-old who wasn't ready to have a child. >> they are able to humanize this often very taboo subject

and see, you know, i now know one of the one in four people who has had an abortion and suddenly it's not so easy to vilify these folks for the decisions that they took. laura: for other latinas, like etelvina zamora-esquivel, a 60-year-old former casino worker who was born and raised in a catholic household, supporting access to abortion is new. >> it is probably the way that my mother always told us. you know, your body is your temple. laura: then, about three months ago, etelvina began attending conversations, held by make the road nevada and abortion rights groups, meant to mobilize latino voters. there, she heard women share their experiences with abortion. how did you feel when you heard those stories? >> to be honest, i started crying. if they are sick and the docr tell them their life is at risk and they have to do it.

that's when my mind changed. now i'm going to vote yes. laa: still, abortion ballot measures may not be enough to convince latinos to stick with democrats, according to local strategist, viridiana vidal. >> i am not sure that that will translate into specific votes for harris. they go to the board with their pockets and their hearts, which means that they want to hear solutions about economy, jobs. if they can afford rent, if they can afford food at the table. and then they want to protect the health care of their loved ones. so abortion usually comes lower if you don't explain how is this related to health care. laura: but back in arizona, crystal, who supported donald trump in 2020, is about to vote for a democratic presidential candidate for the first time. >> there are so many of us that are politically homeless, i

guess, and there are just so many people who want to have dialogue and who want moderate policies. i want to be clear that i don't necessarily support all abortion. i feel like there are exceptions, though, that need to be available, especially for people like me who have unexpected complications in pregnancy. laura: crystal's own experiences are motivating her to back harris. and the country's post roe-landscape could lead more voters like her to cross the aisle this november. for the pbs “news hour,” i'm lbl laura barron-lopez in arizona. ♪ amna: a bipartisan, independent panel is calling for an overhaul of the secret service, in a blistering new report out today.

the panel was commissioned by president biden after the july assassination attempt on former president trump, and was comprised of four former senior government officials, including former homeland security leaders janet napolitano and frances townsend. for more on the report's findings and recommendations, we're joined by carol leonning, investigative reporter at the washington post and author of zero fail, the rise and fall of the secret service. welcome back. it is a pretty blunt assessment of the secret service failure that led to a gunman being able to take eight shots at former president trump at that pennsylvania rally. in the report they list an absence of critical thinking, a lack of ownership. does this lineup with your reporting? carol: i have to say i am pretty proud of the washington post's reporting. my colleagues and i worked on a lot of stories in the hours after 6:00 p.m. on saturday, july 13 trying to understand

what had gone so colossally wrong. this report from this independent panel basically confirms all of our reporting in the days and hours immediately after the assassination attempt and shooting. there was no real plan for presenting a -- preventing a person from being able to have a clear shot at donald trump from a building only 150 yards away. there were major problems in communications. no ability for the local police to directly tell the secret service in a clear and direct way and an instantaneous way that they were chasing a suspicious person and having reports of someone clambering onto a roof they long gone. but it is really interesting what else of the report and the investigation concluded, this larger pattern of complacency

and a lack of critical thinking and a deeper examination as to whether or not the service really tries to own its problems and fix them. and a real concern that they don't. amna: among the recommendations is one that the next director of the secret service come from outside the agency. how big a shift would that be for the secret service? carol: it is something the secret service has resisted for decades. 10 years ago, nine years ago when i ran a series, the washington post ran a series of investigative pieces i wrote about huge security breaches -- not assassination attempt but near misses and off oba. when we wrote those pieces, an independent panel commissioned by president obama and a congressional panel both perched

outside leadership to shake up the secret service at that time. this is not a new recommendation but there is a lot more urgency for it because former president trump is almost killed. he came within millimeters of being killed. amna: you long reported on the lack of resources and funding the secret service has been navigating. this one line stuck out. they wrote the failures of july 13 are not primarily tied to budgetary deficiencies at the service. put otherwise, even an unlimited budget would not by itself remediate many of the failures of july 13. correct me if i am wrong they seem to be calling for a complete cultural overhaul. is that possible? carol: it is going to require outside leadership fresh eyes, on an agency that, let's be honest, has a ton of patriots in its fold. a group of people who were

willing to give up their christmas eve, their wife's anniversary, their own birthdays, to be at the side of the president, the vice president, or the presidential candidate and secure that person's life. people who are we left to take a bullet. it is also an agency that has become more interested in covering up problems than in identifying them and fixing them. a culture that doesn't like to let anybody inside for fear that somebody will discover how much of a hall of mirrors and smoke it is. there is a lot of duct tape holding the secret service together and a lot of heart on the part of these patriots and it is going to require somebody coming in fresh and saying we need to start over about what we value here at this agency. we don't just value you being tough and giving every hour you possibly have and sweating through all of your clothing and

standing in the ice for hours. we don't just want that. we also want this other piece which is a willingness to learn, to use technology and to call out problems loudly. amna: investigative reporter for the washington post carol leonning joining us tonight. thank you so much. carol: thank you. ♪ geoff: over the past few weeks, we've seen a series of punishing hurricanes once again illustrate the consequences of climate change. climate policy is one of the many issues we're covering in our promises and policy segments in the run-up to election day. the divide between donald trump and kamala harris on climate change is as stark as any issue the country is facing. william brangham has been covering this closely, and i spoke with him about it earlier this week.

william, it's great to see you. so as vice president kamala harris helped pass the largest government investment in clean energy and climate initiatives , on the trail she often talks about climate change as a pocketbook issue, like the the soaring insurance costs that many homeowners face due to extreme weather. help us understand her approach. william: i think on one level she sees the polls that says the economy is the most important thing, hence that focus. secondarily, i think on the issue of climate change and why she doesn't drill into it that much is that i think her campaign believes that if you're a climate change voter and that really matters to you, you're already in her camp because of the things you mentioned. historic legislation, first of its kind in american history, and her opponent has said climate change is a hoax and we don't have to really deal with that. so as you mentioned, she does takl about it. but for instance, in her dnc speech, climate change was one clause in one sentence, and that was it.

she has said it's a crisis. she has said it is urgent that we deal with it, but let's take a listen to how she couches this issue. >> we have invested $1 trillion in a clean energy economy while we have increased gas production to historic levels. geoff: so she's merging clean energy and fossil fuels there into one answer. you mentioned donald trump who has famously said that climate change is a hoax. how is he approaching this on the campaign trail? william: trump talks about climate change almost always as a means to attack democrats for the policies they've enacted to address it, and so he says those things drive up costs for consumers at the gas pump. he says they hurt the economy. he calls them lunacy. i mean, these are things like ev electric vehicle mandates or promotions of or solar or battery manufacturing. here's how he often talks about the issue. >> when people talk about global warming, i say the ocean is going to go down 100th of an inch in the next 400 years. that's not our problem.

the problem is nuclear warming. william: trump regularly dismisses the threat from sea level rise. he's nonsensically says it will just create more oceanfront property. he says this is really a non-existent threat, so i just wanted to fact check this one issue. the latest u.s. national climate assessment on just the issue of sea level rise, i want to read you a little bit about what it says. it says, quote, sea level rise threatens permanent inundation of infrastructure including roadways, railways, ports, tunnels, bridges, water treatment facilities and power plants and hospitals, schools, and military bases. that is trillions of dollars at risk from just one byproduct of a warming world. and as for this issue of nuclear winter, i'm not exactly sure what he's talking about. there is no such thing as nuclear warming, that does not happen. if he's talking about nuclear war, yes, that would have an enormous impact on the climate, but it would actually be likely a cooling effect because of the projected nuclear winter.

geoff: let's hope that doesn't happen. william: exactly. so trump does say climate change is an issue, but only because democrats are obsessing over it. geoff: so what would a potential harris administration do as it relates to climate change? william: harris is not really laid out concrete policy. as you mentioned, she is coming off an administration that passed the most historic attempts to address climate change in american history, and she seems to imply there will be more of the same. but as you noted, geoff, she keeps promoting all of the us government's attempts to boost energy production, green energy, at the same time that she brags about america's oil and gas production. and there is an inherent tension there. the way we address climate change is to bring our emissions down, and the u.s. increasingly becoming the world's gas station is not the way to do that. and harris, likely because she doesn't want to be seen as attacking domestic energy production, doesn't really reckon with this.

she doesn't really reconcile how those two competing motives will be reconciled in her administration. geoff: and what about donald trump? if he's saying climate change doesn't exist, it doesn't pose a threat, i mean, what is he proposing to do about it, if anything? william: trump says on energy policy that he's going to bring energy prices in half, cut them in half. it's very difficult to do that. global energy prices are set on the global market. he has repeatedly said he is up for more and more oil and gas drilling, the famous "drill baby drill." although the u.s. as we mentioned is already pumping out record amounts of oil and gas. trump does not believe that addressing greenhouse gas emissions is an issue. he has said he will roll back environmental rules on the oil and gas industry. this is why he said to oil and gas executives, you ought to give me $1 billion for my campaign because i'm going to help you guys out. the project 2025, the famous heritage foundation project, which trump has said, i'm not a part of, that's not me, even though it was written largely by people from his administration, they have laid out a very

detailed energy and climate plan, and it is basically to abolish all climate related actions by the federal government. it will roll back the incentives within the inflation reduction act. how much of that trump could do if he was elected is unclear. he would need congress and the senate to do that. and interestingly, in the inflation reduction act, a lot of money has been seeded into republican districts, into republican states, and a lot of those local leaders love federal funding for a new battery manufacturing plant and all the jobs that that comes and they don't want to see those things go away. so it's unclear how far a trump administration could really go. the promise he has made though is a whole scale reversal of any action by the federal government to deal with the climate crisis. geoff: william brangham, thank you so much for walking us through that. william: thanks, geoff. amna: as climate change continues to stir debate in the election, we take a look at the on-the-ground reality for those

dealing with its consequences. sarah jakober is a u.s. forest service wildland firefighter who serves on the grand ronde rappel crew based in la grande, oregon. in her brief but spectacular take, she provides a window into a day on the job, as climate change lengthens wildfire seasons, and intensifies their impact. >> people think of a stereotypical firefighter as someone working for a city department, driving in a red truck, paramedic-type folks. and that is not what we do. we fight fire in the natural landscape. i work on a repel crew, which means that i staff a helicopter. we arrive at the fire, we size it up, and then we rappel out and ideally put the fire out. i remember the first time i rappelled out of a helicopter. i don't remember consciously feeling fear. there's a very analytical process behind everything.

and it cuts the fear out or works around things in a more logical way. when i was 18, i took a job fighting wildland fire to help pay for college. by the time i graduated undergrad, i had done for five years of firefighting and i'd really enjoyed it. i could do what i wanted in the winter and always return to work in the summer. it is physically and emotionally adventurous. you are working in these complex and risky environments with a small team of people. and so it is all about enduring things together. i am one of three women on my module. i predominantly work with men. peak fire season for us in the pacific northwest is generally july, august, september. fires that i'm responding to are becoming harder to control. they're getting bigger, faster. from my perspective as a firefighter, the link between climate change and the fires that i'm fighting is pretty common knowledge. anyone with a smartphone can figure this out. my biggest concern is what we

may encounter in the future, i don't know if we know what that is. and i don't know if we know how that is going to tax us as firefighters. are we, today, able to go out and do our jobs? and how is that going to look for us? we will respond to fires that will get big quickly. we'll see fire behavior shift from a relatively benign and active fire to all of a sudden it's running. and, you know, we're no longer able to physically do anything with our hands. we're just having to adopt different strategies quickly. i'll probably stay in this job longer than i'm willing to admit. i do wonder about having a family later. i don't know how i would make that work with this job. my favorite part of the job is just being in the woods. we're putting the fire out, and we're just getting the work done.

normally when we're out there doing our jobs, nobody even knows that we're there. my name is sarah jakober, and this is my brief but spectacular take on being a wildland firefighter. amna: and as always, you can see more of our brief but spectacular videos at pbs.org/newshour/brief. and join us again here tomorrow night, when we report from on the ground in north carolina, where residents are still reeling from hurricaneelene's floodwaters that inundated the state. that is the “news hour” for tonight. i'm amna nawaz. geoff: and i'm geoff bennett. for all of us here at the "news hour," thanks for spending part of your evening with us. >> major funding for the pbs "news hour" has been provided by. ♪

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