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this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. amna: welcome to the news hour. president-elect donald trump began putting his new team in place, announcing that his campaign manager, susie wiles, will be the white house chief of staff when he takes office next year. geoff: wiles is the first woman to be appointed to that position. during his victory speech wednesday morning, trump praised wiles for helping engineer his sweeping victory. mr. trump: susie likes to stay sort of in the back. let me tell you, the ice maiden. we call her the ice maiden. chris. come here, chris. susie likes to stay in the background. she's not in the background. geoff: a veteran of florida politics, wiles ran successful

campaigns for senator rick scott and florida governor ron desantis before running donald trump's winning bid for reelection. for a closer look, we're joined by marc caputo, national political reporter for the bulwark and previously covered politics in his home state of florida for years. it is great to have you here. marc: thanks. geoff: in a traditional white house, the chief of staff oversees strategy, coordination, policy decisions. it is arguably the most important personal decision a president can make. what can we take away from donald trump selection of susie wiles to serve as his chief of staff? >> donald trump wants to stick with the winning team. he enjoyed great success against what seemed like great odds. this cycle. his two previous presidential campaigns were always marred by sort of infighting, drama, and in some cases, like a great amount of incompetence. one of the reasons he was so thrilled in that clip that you played from his election night winning team that didn't really

have any of that. now, there was a little drama at the end, but that was more of donald trump's fault. that was donald trump's fault, not the fault of his campaign co-managers. the thing about susie wiles is that she has had a reputation of being a winner. she's not a braggart, as he said, she likes to stay behind the scenes. she is known for being sort of egoless. she serves the principal and she makes sure to kind of execute their will without getting too much in the way. you didn't hear any leaks of her sort of reining back donald trump or talking down to him or any sort of appearance of folks in the campaign trying to sort of defend their reputations when it looked like things were going south. none of those things happened, and a lot of that is attributable wiles and the people that she hired and the sort of the drama-free environment that the campaign itself ran on. now, not donald trump, but the campaign itself. geoff: susie wiles worked in florida politics for decades, for a number of moderate politicians.

she's even described herself as a moderate. why donald trump then? marc: well, she worked for donald trump in 2016, running his florida campaign. and when the polling showed that he wouldn't win florida and he won, and trump was very happy about that. but susie wiles first big race in florida was rick scott's in 2010 when he ran for governor. and at that time, rick scott looked like he had no prayer of winning the state. he did. wiles got a lot of the credit. then in 2016, you had donald trump run his race in 2018. ron desantis ran his gubernatorial race. when things were going real south for him, who did he call? he called susie wiles. now, the two of them had a falling out. it wasn't wiles's fault. that was a result of governor ron desantis's paranoia and inability to accept the fact that people were giving her a measure of credit for his win, which he just couldn't stand. so he tried to wreck her reputation and her career. she got back on her feet.

got back on president trump's re-election campaign in 2020, working in florida again. she helped him win the state. obviously, he lost that race, but he realized in 2021, when he was in a real bad spot, no one thought he could make a comeback, it was after january 6th. and he wanted to give it another whirl, and he wanted to make sure he had someone competent, somebody he could trust, someone who wasn't going to sort of self-promote and cause some trouble. and really only one name rose to the top of the list, and that was susie wiles. and president trump is very happy he made that decision. geoff: wiles has said that her specialty is creating order from chaos. it raises the question, you know, democrats had said that if donald trump were to win re-election that there'd be no guardrails, he'd surround himself with loyalists who would do his bidding. would it be a mistake to perceive susie wiles as a guardrail potentially. marc: that's a difficult question to ask. because what we don't have

insight into, and what wiles would not talk about, where those times when she may have. undoubtedly she had kind of statistically. you know, an advisor advises a principal. and eventually the principal, even donald trump, is going to take the advisor's advice. so there were undoubtedly times where she told him, hey, please don't do this, or try to kind of nudge the ship of ss trump. in the right way. it's a very difficult process if you talk to people who have been advisors who are advisors or confidants of trump. and so she undoubtedly did that. however, donald trump also does what he wants to do. and there's always that fundamental tension that runs through his organizations. so, you know, to the degree of comparing susie wiles to a guardrail. i think it's fair. but it's also important to remember that donald trump is an 18 wheeler and sometimes he careens down the hill at top speed. and there's no amount of guard rails that can necessarily prepare against that. we have seen in this election

cycle though, that whatever you want to call it, the guardrails, good advisors, selfless, -- selflessness, luck, susie wiles played a really key role in that. perhaps the key role. geoff: marc caputo, national political reporter for the bulwark. thanks again for joining us. marc: thanks, geoff, i appreciate it. ♪ amna: the day's other headlines start in the netherlands. dutch authorities are investigating what led to a wave of attacks last night on israeli soccer fans in amsterdam. it followed days of tensions leading up to the game. stephanie sy has our report. stephanie: the game between israel's maccabi tel aviv and the dutch ajax team ended in a tie. what happened after outside the lines was a clear loss. hundreds of riot police deployed across the city after chaos and violence erupted. this, a scene showing a mob running with clubs.

and this, an eyewitness video capturing israeli fans running in fear. one says "i'm not jewish," as he was repeatedly punched and kicked to the ground. israel's embassy in washington posted this footage, showing a cornered israeli fan. more than 60 people were arrested and five victims were hospitalized and released. but tensions had been mounting for days and the aggression was not one-sided. video from the night before the game shows israeli soccer fans cheering as someone tears down a palestinian flag. and police chief peter holla told reporters that maccabi tel aviv fans had attacked a taxi driver and burned a palestinian flag that day before the game. israeli fans were also captured chanting "-- the arabs," as they

descended an escalator ahead of the match. in violence following the game, the mayor of amsterdam said the assailants actively sought out israeli fans. it is unclear whether the attacks were pre-planned. >> boys on scooters crossed the city in search of maccabi tel aviv supporters. it was a hit-and-run. stephanie: fans who witnessed the violence described what they saw as they returned to israel today. >> it was very frightening, i saw people get beaten, i saw people get inside the hotels and lock themselves. i saw people threw, they threw people into the water, the freezing water, and they drove on people and they stepped on people. marc: -- stephanie: dutch and israeli officials decried the attacks as anti-semitic. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu compared it to an attack on jews in 1938 berlin that preceded the holocaust. >> tomorrow, 86 years ago, was kristallnacht, an attack on jews just for being jews, on european soil.

it's back now. yesterday, we saw it on the streets of amsterdam. stephanie: following the mayhem, amsterdam has banned demonstrations for three days and granted police emergency power to stop and search suspects. for the pbs news hour, i am stephanie sy. amna: in southern california, firefighters are making progress in extinguishing a wildfire that has destroyed some 130 structures, mostly homes. for nearly 3 days, the mountain fire has blown through more than 30 square miles in ventura county, outside los angeles. wind gusts are finally starting to ease allowing some residents to return to the charred remains of their homes, while others assess what they've lost. >> the fire was there. there was black heavy smoke with debris, just flowing at us. and i didn't know if my neighbors got out. and my phone didn't work so i couldn't, i didn't know if anybody was stuck. >> it skipped us and it started first burning our neighbors house, past us. we thought we were ok, evacuated

anyway and today came back and the house was gone. geoff: -- amna: on the others out of the country, fires are burning in parts of new jersey. at least four blazes have broken out across the state which is dealing with high winds and dry conditions after a month without any significant rain. the fbi, the federal communciations commission and other agencies are investigating a wave of racist text messages that are being sent anonymously to black americans. they've been reported in several states, including new york, alabama, california, ohio, pennsylvania, and tennessee. the exact wording varies, but the messages like this one often tell recipients they "have been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation," instructing them to be ready with their "belongings." some also include instructions to appear at specific locations. middle schoolers and high school students are among the recipients.

a federal judge struck down the biden administration's effort to provide citizenship to some undocumented spouses of u.s. citizens. a district judge in texas said the administration stretched its interpretation of immigration law "past its breaking point." president biden announced the policy in june. it would have allowed undocumented migrants who are married to citzens and stepchildren of citizens to apply for a green card without having to leave the country first. it would have benefitted nearly 500,000 immigrants, but had already been put on hold and would have faced an uncertain future under the new trump presidency. the united nations human rights office says close to 70% of fatalities from israel's war in gaza have been women and children. in a report published today, the u.n. says it has verified the details of more than 8100 people killed in gaza between last october, and early september of this year. of those, more than 2000 were women. and more than 3500 were

children. the report also says that most of fatalities came in attacks that killed five or more people, and about 80% were in residential buildings. u.n. officials blame israel's use of weapons in densely-populated areas for the destruction. >> given the pattern of strikes throughout gaza, and the fact that they have not only killed and injured so many people, but also destroyed fundamental social structures and support networks of palestinians in gaza, they raise concerns that israeli forces have intentionally attacked the very basic fabric of palestinian society. amna: israel says it has been targeting hamas militants in gaza after hamas' october 7th attack last year, in which 1200 people were killed, and more than 250 taken hostage. the justice department unsealed criminal charges today in a murder-for-hire plot to assassinate president-elect donald trump. the complaint alleges that

farhad shakeri was tasked by an iranian official with formulating a plan to surveil, and then kill trump in the weeks before the election. shakeri has spent time in american prisons for robbery. he remains at large and is believed to be in iran. separately, a ukrainian official tells pbs newshour that elon musk joined a phonecall this week involving the president-elect and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. the official said that zelensky thanked musk for his starlink satellite service, which provides internet access in ukraine. on wall street today, stocks closed out a blockbuster week with modest gains. the dow jones industrial average added more than 250 points to close just shy of 44,000. the nasdaq added about 17 points. the s&p 500 tacked on 22 points, capping its biggest weekly gain since last november. and the 2025 grammy nominations are in. beyonce leads this year with 11

nods, making her the most-nominated artist of all time. >> ♪ this ain't texas ain't no hold 'em ♪ amna: "texas hold 'em" raked in three nominations for record, song and country song of the year. it's from her album "cowboy carter," which itself is up for both album and country album of the year. today's nominations brings beyonce to a total of 99 grammy nominations over her career. post malone follows this year with seven nominations, as do billie eilish and kendrick lamar. taylor swift collected six nominations, along with first-time nominees sabrina carpenter and chappell roan. and we want to bring you the story we'veeen talking about around the newsroom. a police chief in south carolina says there is almost no danger to the public after 43 monkeys escaped from a medical research compound. the problematic primates broke loose from the alpha genesis facility in yemassee, south

carolina. police say a new employee didn't fully shut an enclosure, allowing the rhesus macaque monkeys to escape. police are advising residents to close their windows and doors and call 911 if they see one. still to come on the newshour, how americans' views on female leaders played into this year's presidential election. david brooks and jonathan capehart weigh in on what's ahead with trump elected to another term. and the fashion industry tries to preserve artisan craftwork after clothing factories move overseas. >> this is the pbs news hour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. -- from the david and rubenstein studio at w eta in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: in this deeply polarized country, there have been many competing emotions in response

to former president trump's reelection this week. to better understand how many in the country feel, judy woodruff checked in with some of the people she's met during her ongoing reporting project "america at a crossroads." >> i won't tell you that i'm not surprised. i'm surprised it was as big as it was. i am happy. and this is the person i wanted to win. this is the mandate i wanted america to see. >> last night when i went to sleep, there was still hope. when i woke up this morning, and i saw that he was a -- that he actually won, it was a feeling of, here we go again. we're back to you know, we're moving back in time. judy: some very different and very strong reactions from some of the americans we've met across the country about what took place this week. >> the first day we had early voting here in massachusetts, i voted for donald trump. and i was excited throughout his campaign because i saw him as hope. >> i think it was a very

comfortable and very happy feeling that that he's going to be back in. >> i was really, really excited. and to be honest, i always had faith. i was never really doubtful that he would win. >> i'm still in shock, but i didn't cry this time like i did when he originally won. so that's something. judy: why do you think you didn't cry? >> i've lost my naivete about americans and the goodness of them. >> i woke up really early, just like i just roused, right. and i just checked my phone being like, it's going to be totally fine. and then i was just awake and i held my son. it's not the future that i wanted to give to him. >> one of the reasons that i didn't vote for donald trump was because of the last election. so i feel like i need to stand on that now that these are the election results. this is what the american people want. and we go from here.

judy: supporters of former president trump found many issues to vote for, top among them, the economy. >> with the prices and the variety of things that we are already purchasing, you know, from food, groceries to gas. >> i expect it will open up opportunities for jobs and manufacturing. i suspect it'll keep a lot of jobs in the area. judy: so for you, is it mainly the economic piece of this that matters to you? is that fair to say? >> the economics certainly a big part of it. another part of it would be, you know, the concerns i had over it seemed like there were many on that side of the aisle that wanted to control speech and wanted to shut people down, that wanted to censor. judy: -- >> the other thing is illegals coming across this country. there are so many people here we

don't know, you know, where they are anymore. >> being male and white, in recent years, we've been told that we're the problem in society and we're always the ones causing issues. everything that's going bad, everyone that's oppressed, quote unquote, is being oppressed by white men. and, you know, dei and all these things that are meant to lower the amount of white men in any sphere are things that trump ran on. judy: harris supporters as well as one woman who voted for jill stein as a protest against u.s. support for israel, felt concerned about where things might be headed over the next four years, including on the economy. >> i know so many people that can't afford rent and can't afford to have food. they're working two, three jobs. it's a serious issue. and then we have people like trump that's going to come in and he's like, he's a businessman. his only interest is his business. that's only going to make things worse for the american people. >> the tariff use going to put

on china for imports, not just china, but on imports is coming in, that's going to cause people like me, who, a lot of things i have in my home says, made in china or made here, made there. and if this is going to be a tariff on it, we're going to have to pay more money for these things. >> i think it's going to be terribly different. maybe not for me. i'm an older, post-menopausal, white, retired woman, but i had friends that texted me yesterday that their transgender children were up all night having panic attacks and crying. i have a niece who's in a gay marriage. i can imagine the supreme court is going to be going after that. >> i am wildly concerned for my family specifically. i'm wildly concerned about a lot of things. but i gave birth to our son. my wife is my legal wife and spouse and is on his birth certificate. and i am very concerned that

legally, my marriage will be dissolved and that my wife will not have the same legal rights to our son. >> my hopes are that what other people see in him is what will happen. my hopes are that i'm wrong on how i'm reading him and that this is going to be a turning point. my fear is that the worst of this will result in us being more separated, us feeling that other americans are the enemy and we're not all one team together. judy: some trump supporters said they hoped this could be an opening for the president-elect to find common ground with the other side. >> i would hope that that's an effort within his cabinet and within the people that he puts in leadership that, you know, that we have to we have to work together. i mean, there is no ifs, ands or buts about that. we have to work together. >> you know, this guy is a dealmaker. he likes to make deals with people. he is on the same page as a lot of democrats, and yet they cannot seem to find common ground.

>> i mean, if kamala got in, i would have been okay. here we go. what am i going to do? but i wouldn't go out in the streets and burn cars and turn things over. i would try to see what is she going to do to make it better for everybody. >> i'm excited that the election seems like that we're not as divided as we might have thought. that it's not about identity politics. i'm not -- i'm sure millions of americans who voted for trump don't like him as a person. but it shows that we have things in common. we have beliefs in common. we want legal immigration. we want a good economy. we don't care that he might say some off color things. we don't care if he has a mean tweet. >> i see no hope of him unifying the american people. i think he's a rotten human being. every time he speaks, he denigrates a certain group, whether it's immigrants or i could go on and on. we all know what he's like. >> if i'm at work and i'm

rooting for larry to get the promotion, but darren gets it, then either way, you know, i'm not personally against it. that's the logical part of me. the emotional part is i'm concerned. i'm concerned of where we're going to wind up at the end of it. >> i have seen a lot of hate come out of people when trump was in office. when trump lost the election, i've seen a lot of hate come out of people. and some of the hate that i saw coming out of people were some people that i knew for years. >> i'm unwilling to compromise who i am as an individual for somebody else's comfort. i am unwilling to go back in the closet. i am unwilling to go back to being a woman instead of the non-binary person that i am. but building bridges where they can be built? yes, absolutely.

>> i think we all struggle with the same things at home, you know, paying our bills, holding down a job, taking care of our families. health care is a big issue for all of us. we have the same problems and we have a, in my opinion, a common enemy, which is these politicians that use us to gain power and money and whatever it is that they're going for. >> they should all have the betterment of this country, first and foremost. >> democrats have an opportunity to work with trump to put the brakes on some of these mega mergers, multi borderless corporations that pay taxes into the netherlands or ireland or something like that. they have an opportunity to bring some of that back to this country. >> i pray that people can work together. okay. you know what, the person you

want in there is not in there, but he's going to be there for four years. what can we do to make things better? how can we work together to make america better? judy: for the pbs news hour, i'm judy woodruff in washington. ♪ amna: for the second time in eight years, a woman ran for president and lost to the same man. despite strong support among women of color, vice president kamala harris lost ground with nearly every other demographic group, compared to joe biden in 2020. a number of factors separate hillary clinton's run from harris's and a number of factors went into donald trump's win. but once again, the question is being asked, is america ready for a woman in the white house? erinn haines is editor-at-large for the 19th news and kelly

dittmar is with the center for american women and politics at rutgers university. i will start with you. there are a number of factors at play. the economy, truncated campaign, frustration with the incumbent. what do you take away from what we saw with voters in terms of how much gender played a role? that there was a woman at the top of the democratic ticket? erinn: i wrote about how this election, how elections are not just about either of the candidates but about who we are as a country. again, what do we know about who we are as a country this year? that america is still not yet ready to elect a woman to lead our country. the issue of gender not necessarily something that vice president kamala harris was emphasizing, but it was absolutely looming over this race. and when you think about, you know, american voters really prioritizing the economy, immigration, maybe not seeing a woman as as the person that

embodied the characteristics of strength or power around those issues. i think that this was absolutely an election that was gendered, we definitely saw former president trump coming back into the white house on a message of his brand of masculinity. i think that we cannot have a conversation about this election without having a conversation about the role, the ongoing role of gender in our politics and continuing to ask the question, what is it going to take for a woman, for this country to ever elect a woman president? amna: kelly, pick up on that point about trends campaign. which was clearly geared to appeal towards men, and he did very well with them. he won some 54% of the male vote, but it was one group in particular, white women, which is the single largest voting blo. -- bloc. it's some 40% of the electorate who did help propel him to victory, some 53% of white women voting for him. what did you see in that? what fueled that?

kelly: and we need to kind of shift away from the question of is america ready for a woman? i mean, the majority of voters voted for a woman in 2016, but to really understand both white women's voting behavior and voting behavior across the board, is to look at what are the the racism and sexism in our electorate that is allowing us to continually vote for somebody who's proven that he is misogynist and both his own personal behavior, but also in his policy priorities. has tapped into racial resentment within our communities, and that these things aren't disqualifying and for white women in particular, we've seen time and again it's not disqualifying enough. in part, because they have a racial privilege that that is being protected by this brand of politics, and we're gonna have to grapple with that. i think continually, to get to the point not only where we can elect a woman, but where we can elect candidates who are trying to move us forward when it comes to racial and ethnic inclusion,

gender progress, and gender equity. amna: and erin, i know you've reported on this and written on this extensively. this is the second time there's been a woman at the top of the ticket, but only the first time that there's been a black woman at the top of the ticket. what role did you see that both racism and sexism that we know are still very real animating forces in america played in this election. erinn: i think they definitely played a role. but i do want to talk about, the 92% of black women that showed up to vote for vice president kamala harris. how excited and energized they were about her unprecedented campaign, how hard that they worked to try to get her elected. i mean, black women have long been regarded as the backbone of the democratic party and so to see somebody who shared their lived experience at the top of the ticket, for a lot of the black women that i talked to, a lot of the voters, a lot of the there's a lot of the long time kind of political folks that have been around in the democratic party.

to see them represented, kind of a return on their investment. their investment being their voting, loyalty over so many years to the democratic party. so circling back with a lot of those same black women, where they are now is they are feeling abandoned by a party that they have supported so heavily. and so loyally for so long. and really wondering what it is, you know, about black women that other groups somehow are not necessarily able to stand with. white women in particular. i think we saw when vice president harris became the candidate for the democratic presidential nomination, there were some white women who were publicly reckoning with 2016, white women did not in the majority support hillary clinton. somebody who shared their lived experience and wondering if they were going to make a different choice this time around and stand with black women and other democrats in voting for kamala

harris. that did not end up being the case. you have to ask, how much of that -- we know the history of white women, and what they have chosen to do with suffrage since they got it. they first got it in 1920, and frankly, at the expense of so many black women suffragists who also stood shoulder to shoulder with them but then were thrown under the bus when the 19th amendment was passed more than a century ago. i think that history absolutely looms over this election for so many black women. when it came down to white women choosing between their race and their gender, i think we see how that played out. amna: kelly, it is worth taking a look at the last 50 years in the u.s. yes, gender equity has made a lot of progress. but facts are still facts. women are still paid some $.84 on the dollar compared to men. women make up less than 12% of see sweet rolls. women are half of the u.s.

population, they only make up less than a third of congress. is it a reluctance or inability largely among the general population to see women as leaders? kelly: we have made progress. it's a little bit of both. it's also backlash. susan faludi wrote a book called backlash that we can tap into eggen and look at in this election. and on how donald trump waged his campaign. which was in fact taking that progress that you have pointed to and reminding a subset of voters but this is somehow threatening. and that is true along lines of race as well. since the day donald trump began campaigning he tapped into white male grievance politics, saying, society is becoming too soft and feminine. that something his supporters are more likely to believe based on public religion research institute data. format are being punished just for being men. gender is a binary.

we saw that in the anti-trans rhetoric throughout the campaign for donald trump and other republicans down the ballot. while we see these gains, we have to remember that progress is not inevitable. it takes the effort and momentum from everybody, including groups like white women, to push back against those who are saying this progress is somehow bad and threatening to their own communities. amna: that is kelly dittmar of rutgers university. erinn haynes from the ninth-inning -- from the 19th news. thank you to the both of you. you to speak with you. ♪ geoff: for more on how donald trump's reelection, we turn to brooks and capehart. that's new york times columnist david brooks and jonathan capehart, associate editor for the washington post. welcome back. we have had a few days to assess the implications of donald trump's sweeping victory,

winning the electoral college and the popular vote, a first time a republican has done then into decades. what does his decisive victory revealed to you about this country? david: i think since 2016, we have entered a new political era. the period between 1980 and 2016 was the information age. we decided america was moving to a postindustrial economy, led by college grads. so many of our policies were oriented favorable college grads. let's get everyone into four-year colleges, immigration policy, let's provide college grads with cheap labor. trade policy. we allowed manufacturing jobs to go overseas while service jobs were not threatened. geographic policy, we have a laissez-faire attitude where it congregated in washington and boston, and we didn't worry about this places left behind. we had a policy that favored college grads, and disfavored

everybody else. and basically in 2016, emphatically last tuesday, a lot of people said, i have had enough, we need to change. geoff: do you see that same realignment that the new fault line and our politics is education level? jonathan: it's one of them. i don't disagree with anything that david just said in terms of his analysis. but we cannot ignore what was being discussed in the last segment. the role of racism and sexism, misogyny, grievance, white nationalism, that was very much a part of donald trump's campaign. and i think we need to acknowledge it, we need to talk about it. and then i think as a country, we need to confront it. we have never done it in our history. we probably won't do it now.

but i think we need to acknowledge the fact that the incoming president of the united states openly ran on racist messages about fellow citizens, noncitizens, people who have always come into this country seeking a better life, long before build the wall. we can talk about this education realignment, we can talk about political realignment. until we talk about the grievances that donald trump exploited, we are going to be in this mess for a while. geoff: that wasn't disqualifying? david: millions -- i personally think donald trump is clearly misogynist. i think he is clearly a racist. but, to make that argument, somehow you also have to explain why the general gap went down.

while kamala harris did worse among women than joe biden. you have to explain why trump got more black voters then any republican since richard nixon. somehow you have to explain how he massively improved republicans standing among hispanic voters. he created this broad network. the way i would explain those phenomenon is race and sex -- racism and sexism are facts of american life. in our politics, class is rising, and race and gender are falling in salience. when you say people have to choose between their race and gender, for white women, you are ignoring that they have brains and economic views, social cues, a million other views. those views are part of how people make their decisions, not just an ethnic identity. geoff: it is all part of this to. all i'm argument is don't ignore the potatoes and the carrots while focusing on the meat. david: ok. i am all for eating. i am on a protein diet right now. geoff: one thing about this

election that stood out to me, in state after state, you have voters that backed donald trump and ballot initiatives that advanced progressive goals. you have these laws protecting abortion rights that were backed by the majority of voters in most states. you had voters in two red states, alaska missouri, they approved measures to raise the minimum wage, to ensure paid sick leave, and yet those states also voted for donald trump. voters clearly had in their minds a different picture of what the presidency meant. david: this is may be the new form of ticket splitting. before, you would vote for the president of one party and vote for the governor or senator of another party. maybe it is breaking down along issue lines? i don't know. clearly, maybe those folks don't view the presidency as seriously because it feels so removed, whereas, my state is going to raise the minimum wage, i get to

have a say in the? fine, i will vote or that. or reproductive rights, i will vote for that. recreational marijuana, find, i will vote for that. jonathan: i will come back to my class analysis. if you are working class, you might like to rub up against on some things that you also like raising the minimum wage, you like eliminating the tax on tips. the whole country is shifting to left on abortion. left and right. these things are not inconsistent, if you look at who is a populist. and populists, they want to funnel work -- funnel money to working-class people. it is also interesting to watch the californians vote left for president, but on the ballot initiatives, they threw out two progressive attorney general's. in northern california, they adopted aggressive criminal penalties against shoplifting and vagrancy. they shifted right based on the issues they are feeling at the moment. that's my basic view, which is why it is important to learn

from the electorate. it's complicated. geoff: as democrats second-guess what went wrong, speaker emerita nancy pelosi told the american times, had the president, joe biden, got to know sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race. the anticipation were if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary and kamala would have done well in that and been stronger but we don't know that. that didn't happen. do you think that's right? four there were more fundamental issues about how democrats were perceived, that ended up being too much of an obstacle? david: that's for me? [laughter] look, this is the thing democrats do that drives me nuts. the finger-pointing in the blame gaming. almost immediately. look, what happened, happened. and to go back and second-guess decisions that were made, i just

don't think are helpful. i think what would be helpful is to start thinking about how does the party recover and go about doing what david is saying, sifting through the information we got through from the voters, and plan accordingly. as despondent -- not despond and. as sad as i am about how the election went, and particularly how people voted, it is my hope that the democratic party can figure out a way to reach those voters, not just the ones who didn't vote for them, but for the folks who didn't show up at all. the one thing that i noticed is that donald trump and vice president harris got fewer votes than their counterparts in the previous election. we also should be talking about that. why did so many people sit out? geoff: what are you watching for as donald trump puts together his team and prepares to take office again, with the

experience of knowing how to use the levers of power, and potentially having a republican senate -- he will have a republican senate, but potentially a republican house? jonathan: i'm looking to see how organized he is. in the first term, there was no policy process. he passed some things but it was all policy chaos. is it going to be like that again? will republicans -- i'm interested in nato and you rain. will he have a sensible foreign policy team, of course they will not want to spend as much as the democrats are spending, but they need to put pressure on putin. and tariffs. donald trump was helped because there was inflation. if he imposes 20% tariffs, we will have a lot of inflation. are they going to walk into that eyes open? i don't know. geoff: same question. jonathan: you might be more organized this time. the one thing i'm watching for and worry about is whether the republican majority, let's just assuming they also get the house

, overreach? if anything, they are always guilty of overreaching. it is just a matter of at what point will the american people say, you know what, you have gone too far, and maybe his comments today about beginning mass deportations immediately because we must do this, maybe that will be the first sign of overreach. >> by july 1 he will overreach. geoff: david brooks and jonathan, thank you to you both. ♪ amna: in the 1980's, about 70% of all clothes sold in the united states were made here, in the country. today, it's down to just 3% with most factories moving overseas. one of the casualties, traditional kraftwerk. like weaving fabric, cutting leather and polishing gemstones.

the fashion industry is now trying to preserve these crafts. special correspondent pavni mittal reports from new york for our arts and culture series, canvas. >> you see the cardboard is off so you have to push it toward me. pavni: it is only her third day at work and auden mucher is getting a masterclass. >> we are going to take our hand like this -- >> george kalaijan is teaching her the age-old technique in pleating fabric. he gathers cardboard folds to mold the material underneath. this handiwork and precision takes years to master. >> this isn't something you can learn online, especially with a tactile skill where you need to be doing it by hand. you can't learn it any other way. and it's not really taught in schools either. so you have to find a craftsman to be able to learn from. pavni: tom's sons international pleating is a multigenerational business. kalaijan's grandfather started it in lebanon.

in the 1970's when the civil war broke out, the family moved to new york city. experts in pleating say they work with the biggest names in high fashion. over the years, business has been shrinking, as companies are increasingly producing overseas. kaliajan says immigrants made new york the fashion capital. now, that american dream is hanging by a thread. >> we have centuries and centuries of knowledge that comes to this melting pot of new york city, where all of this technique and craft mixed together. one by one, the artisans have been either dying or retiring or moving on. and as a result, the knowledge is going with it. it's the technique. the technique is what is dying. technique is something that enables you to make something efficiently and effectively. pavni: the garment district in the heart of manhattan was once the country's sartorial capital. packed with hundreds of thousands of workers making most american cloaks. over the years, cost rose, work

declined into most studios emptied out, leaving a few thousand artisans and traces of the industry that gave the area its name. along with an art installation in this statue. remnants of a glorious past. just like this district in new york city, fashion hubs around the world are seeing a decline in kraftwerk. to address this, many high end labels are investing in training the next generation of artisans, starting workshops, expanding apprentice programs and partnering with fashion schools here in the united states. in this workshop, traditional craftsmanship melds with modern technology. the nerve centre of creativity and innovation for iconic jewelry brand tiffany and co.. it's also where it trains its next generation of makers. it's running a two-year program teaching skills like welding metal using laser machines. the first cohort graduate soon. many hope to land a job at tiffanys. programs like these are part of a larger recruitment strategy

. tiffany's is owned by the world's largest luxury conglomerate and vm age. it is facing a record shortfall of craftspeople. across dozens of brands like louis vuitton and dior. to meet its needs, it is expanding its flagship apprenticeship program, training 700 artisans over the next two years. historically, these were based in europe. now, lvmh is bringing them to the united states. >> we have so many skills in the u.s. and you have so many people that are basically unattractive by craft. we have the opportunity to find new people when we started the program in the u.s. we have so many candidates and we are tilting it up. 90% of the person at the end of the day, at the end of the training have a diploma. almost 70% of the people are recruited in the maison. pavni: some young artisans are

also taking on the mantle to save the crafts. gigi burris o'hara is a millner. she sources materials locally and all hats are handmade. once a thriving industry, it is now down to a few suppliers. many closed during the pandemic. to revive it she started a nonprofit closely crafted. it's running afterschool programs to inspire young talent to go behind the seams. >> workforce is primarily in their late 40's, 50's and 60's. so there has been a tremendous gap between individuals that are in this aging workforce and the new individuals that are coming up. we are talking about 10 to 20 years difference. and if we continue to see that workforce age out, we are not going to capture that generational knowledge. so the time is now. it is very critical that we can get young people placed into these jobs, that we can make these jobs stable and livable. pavni: some initiatives are

focusing on inclusivity. custom collaborative helps low income and immigrant women build careers in sustainable fashion. teaching basic skills and mentoring them when they start working. >> they do teach you all the ins announce of business. one day, i would love to own my own business. and i feel like the program offers all the training, the ins and outs, as well as the financial part. >> with this exercise, we will learn how to pivot. pavni: custom collaborative has trained more than 75 women in eight years. many recycling material to make clovis. >> we are fully sustainable. so everything that we make comes from a fabric that was donated or headed for landfill. so, like, the silk came to us from a laundry company. pavni: ngozi okaro is the founder and an activist. she says being eco-friendly is only part of it. their larger goal is to make the industry more equitable. >> we do hear a lot from companies here in the us and here in new york, that there is a need for what we're providing. and i think especially when you

get to the sustainability part of it, people are so focused on making sure that their garments that they buy and that they wear didn't infringe on anyone's rights, that they are not going to pollute the landscape. and so we have an opportunity to really reshape sustainability and to make it better and bigger and bolder and more inclusive. >> lower the needle. pavni: artisans are hoping the revival of craft will change the very fabric of the industry. in this age of fast fashion, they want to restore value to creating with time, love and passion. for this, they need to raise awareness and alter customer demands. that, they say, will move the needle. for the pbs news hour, i am pavni mittal in new york. geoff: there is a lot more online, including our pbs news weekly show that looks back at this historic week in politics. digital producer deema zein spoke with correspondents lisa desjardins and laura barron-lopez about what comes

next after this trump victory. you can find that on our youtube page. amna: and don't forget to watch washington week with the atlantic tonight. moderator jeffrey goldberg is here with a preview. jeff: thanks, anna. coming up tonight on washington week, we'll be discussing how donald trump won back the white house and what he'll do with the power he has been given. that's tonight on washington week, here on pbs. geoff: and on pbs news weekend, how the biden administration's handling of the war in gaza shaped voters' choices. and that is the newshour. i'm geoff bennett. amna: and i'm amna nawaz. on behalf of the entire newshour team, thank you for joining us. >> major funding for the "pbs news hour" has been provided by -- >> on an american cruise line's journey, along the columbia and snake rivers, travelers re-the route forged by lewis and clark. more than 200 years ago. american cruise lines fleet of

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