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>> it is difficult to work out what donald trump is going too but if we take it at face value, what he said he could do, that he could stop the war in a day, i don't think he could do that. >> i do think he is going to make some sort of initiative when he becomes president, to do something. >> armistice day is a day of reflection, always has been, but a particularly poignant one now given america's increasing distance from europe strategically. >> the u.k. and france will support ukraine for as long as necessary to quote, fort russia's war of aggression.

that was the message from emmanuel macron and secure starmer. also on the program, the archbishop of canterbury comes under increasing pressure to resign over accusations of a cover-up involving a prolific child abuser associated with the church. the u.s. climate envoy told the cop 25 summit that work to fight global warming will continue at the united states despite the election of donald trump, a known climate change denier. secure star has been meeting with french president emmanuel macron to discuss ukraine amid deep uncertainty whether the unit it states will continue to support them after donald trump's electoral victory.

it is the first time a british prime minister has stood alongside his french counterpart on armistice day. they stood side-by-side at the tomb of the unknown soldier before meeting veterans. as well as the flicking on the past, they discuss the future of the conflict in ukraine after mr. trump's return to the white house. the u.s. president-elect said he could end ukraine's war with russia in just one day, although his precise plans on the conflict are still unclear. >> beneath the iconic art to triumph in paris, two men sending a powerful message of solidaty. the national commemorations. not since the end of world war ii has a british prime minister done this. grainy images show the french

wartime leader standing beside winston churchill. together today, they lead -- they laid a wreath's of remembrance. -- including t crisis in the middle east and the war in ukraine. european leaders are unnerved by the implications of donald trump's incoming presidency. kyiv wants more help from western allies to push russian forces back. donald trump said on the campaign trail he could end the war within a day, though no one knows what that means. today, two allies stood side-by-side, remembering the past and rekindling their country's relationship after brexit. a french choir even singing the

british national anthem, a sign of togetherness facing new uncertain times. >> let's discuss those new uncertain times now with editor in chief at ukraine analytica, and the former chief of staff of the u.s. marines in europe. how do you think american policy on ukraine will change when donald trump gets back to the white house next year? >> i don't think it is going to change dramatically, at least initially. the rhetoric we have heard out of donald trump, he's been pretty consistent with claims of being able to solve things in a day and possibly not support ukraine the way the biden administration did, but there is an awful lot of support in the united states for ukraine, and trump is a realistic man.

i think he is going to judge that as he gets closer to the presidency, and then we will see what happens post january 20. >> but he has during the campaign, implied that supporting ukraine was a waste of money. he said that zielinskias the greatest salesman on earth because every time he went to the united states, he came back with billions of dollars. >> and for trump to say that is quite a compliment because usually, trump is the greatest of everything. i just cannot see him letting go of ukraine completely. american support for it. the republican party is pretty steadfast behind the ukrainians. there are critics, they exist, democrats are pretty steadfast in their support also. i think as we get closer to the

administration taking over in january, i think there'll will probably be a significant reevaluation on the part of trump and his advisors as he puts his team together, as to what is going to happen in terms of american support for ukraine. >> hannah, do you think there will be a difference between donald trump's rhetoric and the reality once he is back in the white house? >> there can be some changes, definitely because he will have more information. that definitely could influence his resolution garding negotiations. we will definitely see certain trends. first of all, that it would go -- that the funding would be more conditional.

the second change would be that negotiations pushes would be much stronger and we will see much more unilateral actions compared to the current policies where e united states is searching for allies to be on the board when new decisions were made. >> colonel, former chief of staff of the u.s. marines in europe, do you think we have seen in paris, the british prime minier and the french president, very close, having talks about ukraine. do you think that they are thinking that europe is possibly going to have to go it alone on ukraine if -- and as we have been discussing, it is only a possibility -- a trump presidency does more or less cut off support for ukraine? >> that would be a prudent

discussion, a wise topic for those men to discuss. also involved some of the other members of nato. we don't know what trump is going to do. a contingency plan is always a smart thing to develop, and i'm willing to bet that those gentlemen are developing a contingency plan in the case of the united states withdrawing support to ukraine. hopefully that won't be the case but it is a wise discussion to have. >> hannah, isn't the reality that american arms, weapons and military support are absolutely crucial to ukraine? they are the bulk of the support that ukraine has had militarily. if donald trump waters that support down inny way, let alone cutting it off, that could be devastating for the ukrainian

military, at a time when russia is making slow but incremental advances into ukraine. >> try to imagine when north korea are supplying more ammunition to ukraine then the whole european union, and the united states withdrawing. the battlefield, but alsoding to politically and globally for the role of the united states. i would say that withdrawal o the united states support would have devastating impacts, both for the battlefield but also for the image of the united states and their relations with partners around the world who are looking at how the united states would support them if a crisis would start. if we speak just about the physical support we are receiving, the issue is for the last year, we had a significant increase in european support. more volume and different types

of ammunition but most european countries need to produce it, they don't have stockpiles. countries like denmark just gave up everything they had from those ammunition's and equipment. the u.s. had a lot already produced, super them in case of the decision, it is quicker and easier to deliver to ukraine compared to any of the european countries. >> it isn't clear what donald trump is going to do, but there was this mysterious report that he had a call with president putin of russia. a reporter with the washington post. a report that the kremlin denied. that is a fascinating part of this, donald trump's retionship with vladimir putin. >> it is a fascinating aspect of this entire thing, and it has been that way since his first presidency. he seemingly has a fixation with powerful men, that are

essentially autocrats and i've never believed that he wants to change the american presidency to emulate that type of power. however, he seemingly has a good relationship with putin. he claims he has a good relationship with xi. this'll be interesting to see, how it all falls out. the relationships are one thing. the practicality of one country's sovereign position in relationship to another has to be the primary aspect of that. >> it is going to be fascinating to see how it all plays out after january. thank you, many thanks to both of you. plenty more to come around the world and across the u.k..

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>> now pressure is growing on the archbishop of canterbury to resign over an alleged cover-up of a sadistic child sex abuser. the bishop of newcastle has now added her voice to a petition by the general senate calling on justin welby to quit. it centers on a man who ran christian children's camps for many years. a report last week concluded that he had committed prolific brutal and horrific abuse against children. justin welby was notified of allegations as far back as 2013, but the man was allowed to move abroad with the knowledge of church officials where he continued to abuse children. here is our religion editor. >> arguably one of the most prolific abusers ever associated with the church of england, with more than 120 victims until his

death in 2018. last week a report said that by 2013, the archbishop of canterbury new that inadequate action -- justin welby has apologized but says he won't resign. but today, one senior member of the church row cranks. >> i think it is very hard for the church, a nationally established church to continue to have a moral voice in y way, shape or form in our nation we cannot get our own house in order with regards to something critically important, something that would be asked of any institution. >> given that, what do you think about the position of the archbishop of canterbury? >> his position is untenable, so i think he should resign. >> but the archbishop of canterbury stepping down is not going to solve the problem is it? >> it is not but it would be a very clear indication that a line has been drawn. >> who would believe a

16-year-old against a bishop and a vicar? >> a survivor of abuse, here testifying. he says the events of the past week have been re-traumatizing for all victims. it is clear where he stands on justin welby. >> i think you should definitely resign and he should take with him all those who failed in safeguarding. if he doesn't, the church is showing itself again, it doesn't understand what it's like to be a victim. he doesn't understand what safeguarding is. >> supporters of justin welby say he has brought about a lot of improvements in the way abuse is handled by e church. now shown to be culpable, pressure continues to mount. >> the u.s. climate envoy says

work to fight global warming will continue in the united states despite the election of donald trump who he called a climate change denier. mr. podesta was speaking at the opening session of the comp 29 climate summit, where world leaders have been gathering. he said mr. trump will dismantle environmental safeguards and remove the u.s. from a key international agreement to stop burning fossil fuels. let's hear a little bit of his speech. >> in january, we are going to inaugurate a president whose relationship with climate change is captured by the words hoax and fossil fuels. he has vowed to dismantle our environmental safeguards and withdraw the united states from the paris agreement. while the united states federal government under donald trump may put climate action on the back burner, the work to contain climate change is going to continue in the united states with commitment and passion and belief.

>> john podesta, their. that climate summit coincides with a warning fro the united nations that average global temperatures are expected to exceed 1.5 degrees celsius above what they were before the industrial revolution. our climate editor sent this report. >> in the last few days, wildfires have been burning on both coasts of the united states. there was even a bushfire in a new york city park. meanwhile, the philippines is in its fourth cyclone in three weeks. this reminder of the weather extremes climate change is likely to bring comes as the latest round of u.n. climate talks opened. the head of the talks warned of those risks. >> we are on the road to ruin. climate change is already here. >> like in somalia where it is

driving even hotter weather which is deepening conflict. the cause, the emissions made by developed countries as they got rich, yet poorer countries like somalia feel the impact hardest. >> we are not talking about something that is nice to have. we are talking about a threat to humanity. we need to look at it like that and take it very seriously because it affects everyone on the planet. >> the answer, says poorer countries is money. developing countries want to see the flow of cash from rich to poor increase from $100 billion a year to a trillion dollars a year. the list of world leaders who have decided not to come here is increasing. the u.s., china, the european union, brazil, germany, france and canada are countries whose leaders have decided not to attend.

there are some newcomers. the taliban spotted a photo op. meanwhile, prime minister stamer has arrived. he will be announcing the u.k. targets for cutting emissions over the next decade and the hope is doubled encourage others to bolt action as these talks begin. . -- to bold action as these talks begin. >> talking about people who aren't at that summit but someone who is, is the president of comp 26 and also the former u.k. secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy. thank you for being with us. what are your hopes? what do you think this summit can achieve? >> the key issue is going to be around climate finance and whether or not countries can come together and create a new finance goal, and amount of

money mobilized to support in that report, justin talked about some of the numbers. i know from my experience that whatever that cord number is, it is ambitious but it is also deliverable. we know the previous goal of $800 billion aear was late in delivery and that sapped a lot of trust from developing nations and that is why it is important that deliverability is a key part of this finance goal. >> you've been involved with these cop summits. what do you say to the chemic's -- say to the skeptics out there, including passionate climate activists who say these cop summits are just talking, and they don't achieve anything at all because we've had them and yet the world is getting warmer and we are hearing the 2024 is going to be the hottest year on record. >> you are absolutely ght, i have been involved in these for a number of years and i can tell

you that they can be incredibly frustrating and difficult in terms of negotiating. you are trying to bring together almost 200 countries to reach a consensus, but what they have shown is that over the past cops , there were a number of key outcomes that were agreed, commitments that were made, and the case of comp 26, we managed to get over 90% of the global economy committed to going toward net zero and of course we have an agreement on phasing out the use of coal and transitioning away from fossil fuel energy systems. that is important because 75% of all global emissions are energy related. the big question is whether the countries are willing to move commitments.and deliver on those >> are you disappointed that a lot of world leaders are not there? >> i am disappointed.

i would have liked to have seen more world leaders here. this is a defining issue for this decade, the coming decades but of course there will be delegation leaders here and they will set out any future commitments that countries are making but importantly they will outline what those kind -- what progress those countries are making. of course negotiations are carried out by ministers and on this particular point, i think it is good that we have keir starmer. i think that shows leadership and hopefully that will feed its way through, that the u.k. shows leadership in terms of the mission reduction target and also finance. back in 2019, the last government agreed we would ensure climate finance was made available between 2021 and 2026,

and i hope what keir starmer will do is recommit to that tomorrow. >> speaking of world leaders, have to address the forthcoming trump presidency. how worried are you that donald trump will hold back the fight against climate change? he has threatened the pull the u.s. out of global climate treaties. we saw john podesta talking about trump as a limit change denier. >> italy in -- we will need to see what mr. trump actually does. there is no doubt that the stuff he has said, it is casting a long shadow over these climate negotiations and it is something that everyone is talking about, what would happen under a trump presidency. however, i think it is also the case that this would be a groundhog day moment if he pulls out of the paris agreement because he did it la time,

when he was in his first term. other countries stepped up to the plate. the u.k. did, we showed leadership and combined that with domestic leadership and i'm hoping other countries will do the same. the point jump a dust it was making in his speech was that it is not just federal level action that is important. it is also action that happens at state and city levels, the work that businesses are doing. a lot of that is going to continue. if all the things that mr. trump has said he will do happen, then of course it will slow the pace but it certainly won't stop climate action in the u.s.. >> briefly, something else john podesta said was the fight against climate change is bigger than one election. do you agree with that? >> i think the fight against climate change is bigger than all of us but we also know that 1.5 target we are trying to

limit global warming to is creeping forward and the window is closing on us being able to take action, so every day matters. that is why we all need to roll up our sleeves, particularly with the leaders and make sure they deliver on their commitments. >> bully good to have you with us. i know it is ry late where you are so we appreciate your time and being with us to discuss these hugely important issues. that is the former u.k. secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy, discussing the prospects and hopes for comp 29. stay with us here on bbc news. plenty more to come. announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james.

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