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rights problem that's far away. this is coming for all of us. john: and from story corps, a tale of small gestures that mean a great deal in two lives. ♪ >> major funding for "pbs news weekend" has been provided by. >> in 1995, two friends set out to make wireless coverage accessible to all with no long-term contracts, nationwide coverage, and 100% u.s.-based customer support. consumer cellular, freedom calls. >> and with the ongoing support of these individuals and institutions. and friends of the "news hour."
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this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. john: good evening. i'm john yang. for more than a half century, syria has been ruled with an iron fist by the assad regime, first hafez al-assad and then his son bashar. it all came to an end this weekend with stunning and lightning speed, as rebels moved into the syrian capital of damascus, took the city, and with it, the country. across syria today, gunfire, chanting, and cheers in celebration of the end of an era.
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the rebels faced no opposition as they advanced overnight. russian state media said president bashar al-assad fled to moscow where he was granted asylum. at a mosque in the capital city, the leader of the largest insurgent group addressed his fighters. >> this victory, my brothers, is for the islamic nation. this victory is a new history for the region. john: ordinary citizens roam the presidential palace in damascus, taking selfies. across the country, symbols of the assad family's repressive 53 years in power came toppling down. in 1974 president nixon became the first u.s. president to visit syria, meeting with -- they ruled syria by relying heavily on security forces to crush descent and they forged alliances with russia and iran.
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a civil war ignited in 2011 killed hundreds of thousands and forced millions of civilians to flee their homeland. today the syrian diaspora celebrated. in iraq, in istanbul, in paris. >> a renewal. a renewal. we are starting on new foundations without all the tyranny. john: and in berlin. >> this day today, last night, it has the same meaning as the fall of the berlin wall. this is freedom for us. john: the speed of assad's collapse surprised many around the world. at the white house today, president biden spoke of the days ahead. >> a fall of the regime is a fundamental act of justi, it's a moment of historic opportunity for the long suffering people of syria to build a better future for their proud country. it's also a moment of risk and uncertainty.
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john: the rebels' supporters wasted no time in unfurling the opposition flag at syrian embassies around the world. even as these events unfolded, u.s. central command said it rried out airstrikes against known isis camps in syria, hitting more than 75 targets. what lies ahead for syria and the middle east is an open question. hassan hassan is the founder and editor in chief of new lines magazine. a regime that controlled syria for more than half a century has been erased in what feels like 1.5 weeks. how big of a deal is this? how significant is this? hassan: it is a big deal not just for syria but the entire region. the regime has been in a slow disintegration over the past decade or so and it need to be saved twice first by iran in 2013 when the regime looked like it was losing major parts of the
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country and then in 2015 by russia when the regime started to feel under so much pressure by the rebels. iran failing to save it a second time. john: what do we know about the, the main insurgent group, hayat tahrir al-sham, which the state department classifies as a terrorist group and the leader of that group, abu mohammad al jilani? hassan: we know quite a bit of it. it's been a prominent part of the syrian rebel groups over the past, like i said, over the course of the conflict. they evolved over time, i think at least three or four times over the course of the conflict. first started as part of isis in iraq to just keep it simple, and then left isis and then joined al qaeda and then still left al qaeda and clashed with both.
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and then evolved from a kind of a jihadist dominated force into still a jihadist organization but away from global jihad into kind of a syria focused organization. it's been evolving since. john: is there any hint or sense of what government or what's going to be next for syria, or is there a power vacuum that could cause problems? hassan: a lot of people are going to think is this another kind of iraq chaos and civil wars and so forth, a long saga of violence. or libya and other places also face the same thing. i think to me, syria start not from stage one of the iraq war, but advanced stages when you know, after civil wars, after exhaustion, people start to kind of try to work together and try to find something. remember the syrian rebels who were just taken over syria have ne through all the civil wars,
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ghting each other and fighting until they succeeded in the past few years to unify the ranks, become more organized, become better at governing. and working together through coalitions, getting training as well. they've been preparing for this moment for many years as the assad regime has been weakening, especially over the past year when the assad regime, other iranian allies in the region have been entered this relentless campaign by israel, hezbollah in lebanon. hezbollah has been key ally of the assad regime. without hezbollah, without iran, the assad regime cannot contain and sustain fighting in syria. that's why when hezbollah has been weakened, when the iranians have become -- it's become harder for them to freely operate in syria. that's when the assad regime has become so exposed to such an attack. then obviously don't forget that
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russia has been also entangled in the ukrainian war, so assad is left without allies, and the rebels fill in the gap. john: and you'd mentioned that this is a big deal, not just for syria, but for the region. talk about that. what has this done to the balance of power in the region? hassan: i think the best way to think about it is syria is a piece of the puzzle in the region but also as part of the iranian axis. and like i said, israel, the fall of assad is has to be seen in the context of hezbollah, just been finished essentially in lebanon or weakened significantly, severely reduced to kind of a small faction as opposed to the previous power that the jewel of iranian access in the region. so, it's kind of two in a row. hezbollah has been weakened by israel.
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a day, in fact, after hezbollah had to sign what looked like kind of a surrender deal with israel, the syrian rebels launched this operation. so now you have two of the most important allies of iran in the region essentially either weakened or gone. iran is left with almost no influenc or very little influence in the levant. hamas has been weakened. hezbollah in lebanon has been weakened. and assad is out of the picture. so now iran is left with iraq, influence in iraq, and there's chatter that iraq is going to be next in terms of pressure by israel and others who will take on iran and iraq. and obviously, yemen with the houthis. john: hassan hassan, thank you very much. hassan: you're welcome, thank you. john: elsewhere, esident-elect
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trump weighed in on the war in ukraine. hours after meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky in paris, mr. trump posted on truth social to call for an immediate ceasefire with russia. while ukraine wants to join nato, in an interview on nbc's "meet the press," mr. trump said the united states may leave the alliance. he says european countries are taking advantage of the united states. he wouldn't commit to staying unless countries meet defense spending targets. the president-elect also doubled down on his pledge to launch mass deportations as soon as he takes office. >> is it your plan to deport everyone who is here illegally overhe next four years? >> well, i think you have to do it. and it's a very tough thing to do. it's -- but you have to have -- you know, you have rules, regulations, laws. they came in illegally. you know, the people that have been treated very unfairly are the people that have been on line for 10 years to come into the country. and we're going to make it very easy for people to come in in terms of they have to pass the test. they have to be able to tell you what the statue of liberty is.
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john: in that interview, mr. trump also said he would sign an executive order ending birthright citizenship on day one, acknowledged that he couldn't guartee that his planned tariffs won't lead to higher prices, though he said they will make the country rich, and said he wouldn't replace federal reserve chairman jerome powell. and asked if he would concede that he lost the 2020 election as a move to unify the country, mr. trump refused. the hunt for the man who killed united healthcare ceo brian thompson is intensifying. new york police released new photos of the suspected shooter in what appears to be the backseat of a cab. the reward for information leading to an arrest is now at $60,000. and a bit of hollywood history has sold at auction. dorothy's iconic red ruby slippers from "the wizard of oz" have sold for $28 million. judy garland wore several pairs while making the classic movie, but only four are known to have survived. up next on “pbs news weekend,”
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commercial spyware that governments use to monitor dissidents. and small gestures of kindness that make a big difference. >> this is “pbs news weekend,” from the david m. rubenstein studio in washington. john: this past week, the white house detailed the scope of the massive chinese hacking campaign that has infiltrated at least eight u.s. telecommunications companies, a foreign power reaping information from american cell phone networks. but an hbo original documentary called “surveilled,” which is available to stream now on max, says some governments around the world use commercial spyware to monitorheir own citizens. >> spyware is this powerful surveillance tool. big spyware companies say they sell this tech only to governments. but this multibillion dollar
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industry is mostly unregulated. the most advanced spyware can turn your smartphone into a spy in your pocket. it can copy everything and record you without you ever knowing and then just disappear without a trace. john: pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist ronan farrow produced the documentary. ronan,s there a difference between the salt typhoon hack that's been in the news so much and what you're covering, what you report on here? ronan: well, there is, but there's also a shared theme here our data is becoming more and more accessible, porous. and that goes for critical national security sensitive infrastructure. it goes for data held by major telecom firms. and it goes for what's examined in this documentary, which is our phones, which fascinated me as a reporter who's dealt with various forms of surveillance. and then when i saw that the bleeding edge of that technology, of those kinds of
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efforts were so advanced that you could turn any phone into a listening device if you have the resources, i realized, well, this is not an incidental issue. this is not some esoteric human rights problem that's far away. this is coming for all of us. john: you have an example in the documentary, you have a member of the european parliament from catalonia, which is a region in northeastern spain. and this politician favors independence from spain. you were with him the moment he found out his phone had been hacked. let's take a look. >> [speaking another language] ronan: when does it look like you were infected? >> i have to check the date, but around that day, i was appointed member of the european parliament.
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>> how do you feel knowing that you may have been compromised in this way? >> well, i feel surprised and angry at the same. at the same time. john: ronan, who's likely to have been hacked that phone and to what end? ronan: well, as you pointed out, in spain, there is a an autonomous region, catalonia. the capital is barcelona. where a big swath of the population wants independence for that territory. and it doesn't really matter what you think of that prospect politically. the point is there's peaceful activists and politicians and protesters and civil society members, journalists covering the issue who wound up in a massive surveillance dragnet. the spanish government did admit to at least some of the hacking and there was a firing of an intelligence chief there. and i just want to point out, this isn't a spain issue. we've seen a string of these kinds of scandals involving the overreach of spyware and its use to target peaceful political opposition members.
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we've seen it in poland, in greece. so i think we have to heed the people in the film who are in western democracies and say we didn't think it could happen here, but it can happen anywhere. john: talk about that, talk about the u.s. government. do they have this this capability and do we know if they're using it? ronan: so, the united states government has one of the most sophisticated surveillance set of capacities in the world. under the first trump administration, the fbi purchased pegasus, the same spywe technology that you saw in that scene infecting the phone of that european parliament member. now, the fbi initially when this came out, said, well, we just were going to use it to test it and understand wt our enemies were doing with that kind of tech. but the new york times later sued for more information. and it seems very clear that the fbi came pretty close to operationalizing this and really wanted to. i just reported in the new
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yorker on the fact that this fall, the department of homeland security purchased another powerful form of spyware, also made by an israeli company. in this case, it's a company called paragon, and the spyware is called graphite. and this focuses on hacking, even encrypted messaging apps. to my knowledge, there aren't known cases of targeting of political opposition members by the u.s. government on u.s. soil. but the history of surveillance in this country is full of those kinds of overreach. the legal framework for this is very porous, john. and you have a new administration coming in that's made it clear that they flout a lot of even that existing legal framework. john: in the documentary, you also spoke with a former employee of the israeli company that's sort of at the center of this. this person used to demonstrate the product for potential clients, left the company over ethical concerns. in this clip we're about to play, his the voice is distorted to protect the person's identity. let's take a listen.
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>> so you're hacking these phones. what kinds of reactions did you get? >> it is jaw-dropping. it is very impressive the first time you see it. >> what was the pitch that you were offering these governments? >> usually we have one iphone, one android device. used to demonstrate how we can exploit the data from those devices effectively. take snapshots of the screen in pictures. >> what should the average citizen in any country in the world know about this company and this technology? >> it's very powerful. it's very intrusive. >> should people be concerned? >> yeah. yeah. john: people should be concerned. is therenything people can do to protect themselves? ronan: well, there are limited measures you can take. if you're a journalist doing confronting politically charged work, if you're a dissident of some kind, you may want to turn your locked down mode on in ios. if you're like most people out there where you're looking at this issue and you're thinking,
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you know, no one's going to want my nudes, why do i have to care? i still think exercise good digital hygiene,ecause the truth is, you don't know how your information is going to be used. turn off your phone every day and reboot it. it's not a failsafe, but it will create a situation where at least some of these types of technology would need to be reinstalled. you'd have to be reinfected after the reboot. so a daily reboot is a really good idea. update all of your apps. update your operating systems every single time there's a patch out. don't sleep on it. john: ronan farrow, thank you very much. ronan: thank you, john. ♪ john: finally, for the holiday season, an animated film from our partners. his third-grade teacher made a small act of kindness that meant a great deal to him. decades later he sat down with
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cecile doyle to tell her how that gesture changed his life, and in the process made a difference in her life as well. >> we talked about decorating the christmas ee when i came home from school that day, but i walked into the living room and my aunt was there and she said, well, honey, mommy passed away this morning. and i remember at my mother's wake, someone in my family came to me and said, johnny, your teacher's here. >> when i found out she died, i could certainly relate to that. because when i was 11 my own father died. and you just don't know how you're going to go on without that person. >> when i returned to school, you waited until the other children left the room at the end of the day and you told me that you were there if i needed you and you bent over and kissed me on the head. it was really the only time someone said to me, i know what you're feeling and i know what you're missing. and i felt in a very real way that things really would be ok.
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>> john, i really loved you as a student. and i'm so glad that i could be there with you for that time. >> many years later, when i became a teacher, i started to think more and more about you and i started to think to myself, here i am with a memory of a teacher who changed my life. and i've never told her that. and that's why i finally wrote this letter. dear mrs. doyle, if you are not the cecile doyle who taught english at emerson school in new jersey, then i'm embarrassed and you can disregard the sentiments that follow. my name is john and i was in your third grade class during the 1958/1959 school year. two days before christmas, my mother passed away, and you told me that you were there if i needed you. i hope life has been as kind to you as you were to me. god bless you always. with great fondness, john.
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>> and your letter could not have come at a better time. because my husband had parkinson's and he was going downhill. and i had just come home from the hospital and i read this beautiful letter and i just was overwhelmed. >> well, the funny thing is, when i finally wrote to you again after 54 years, i typed the letter, i was afraid my penmanship wasn't going to meet your standards. well, after all this time, mrs. doyle, all i can say to you is thank you. >> john, what can i say? i'm just glad that we made a difference in each other's life. ♪ john: and that is “pbs news weekend” for this sunday. i'm john yang. for all of my colleagues, thanks for joining us. have a good week. >> major funding for "pbs news weekend" has been provided by.
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