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trumping us. >> even though we are approaching the official announcement of the cease-fire, we are still having the killing continue. >> above all, the reflection of the human tragedy that has befallen for the israelis, hostages, and their families. the palestinian civilian population of gaza. ♪ >> the israeli government still in a meeting to approve the cease-fire with hamas. will it hold? how will the incoming trump administration steer it through the latter stages? we will get the view in washington. the hugely popular social media app tiktok will be banned in america sunday. the supreme court dismissed an appeal by the company. more on that. how much of joe biden's green

policy can be unpaved? we speak to one of america's leading climate scientists. and houston, we have a problem. the starship blows up on its way to orbit. a spectacular view on the ground. an irritating setback for elon musk. a very good evening from washington. israel has released the names and ages of 95 palestinian prisoners who will be freed from israeli prisons in the first phase of a cease-fire deal if and when it is approved. the full israeli cabinet is meeting to consider the agreement. they have been locked in discussions for the last couple of hours. they are expected to approve it. some far-right politicians have signaled they will oppose it. the deal involves three phases with 33 hostages. including children, to be freed in the first phase due to start on sunday. the list of the hostages to be released does not indicate the condition of those hostages.

israel believes many of them to be alive. the hamas run civil defense agency says 116 people have been killed in gaza since the cease-fire agreement was announced. on wednesday. let's speak to our correspondent. perhaps you can bring us up to date with where we are with the cabinet meeting? >> the meeting is still going on. it is late into the evening and israel. it is the jewish holiday. yet the discussions are still going on. three hours and counting. there are some reports the security chiefs who were addressing the expanded meeting of government ministers have finished briefing them of the contents of the cease-fire agreement. now the ministers having a chance to have their say. we did have a security cabinet meeting, which is a slimmed down version. the senior administers. they voted in favor of the deal.

two far-right ministers voted against it as expected. we are not expecting their to be any surprises from this bigger meeting this evening. it is pretty clear even if the far-right ministers vote against this agreement, it will pass through the government meeting and it will in turn pave the way for the implementation of this cease-fire deal to start sunday. >> we had a statement from the palestinian authority. they are fully prepared to assume immediate responsibility in gaza if an agreement is reached. how is it viewed in jerusalem and what role do they have in this piece agreement? >> if you were to mention it to many people around here, palestinians would say the palestinian authority doesn't

control much of the west bank, where it technically still has authority. it is hard to see how the palestinian authority will have much of a role in gaza. there is no plan in place for what happens after israel starts pulling back from the populated areas sunday. they have consistently refused to discuss what happens on day one of any peace agreement. it does not look like it will be the palestinian authority. israel does not want that in part because it suggests a two state solution if you have the same authority responsible for gaza and the west bank. israel's bottom line is it does not want hamas. but it has not laid out any other vision for what will happen to governance in gaza once they pulled back. that is one of the great unknowns, the great unresolved parts of this gaza cease-fire agreement. it does not address fundamental

questions about gaza's future. it is very much a short-term deal. a cease-fire pullback by israeli troops in return for some, not all of the hostages that are being held there. >> we will get into that in a second. thank you for that. as an and president elect trump claiming credit for this deal. donald trump wasting no time asserting he was the moving force behind it. joe biden insisting the precise contours of the plan are the same as those he set out in late may. >> i did really put together -- if it doesn't work, i will take the blame for it, a plan with my national security team. i believe we could make it attractive to the arab world as well as the jewish community to accommodate the kind of change necessary, get the prisoners released, get a cease-fire moving in a direction, we would

agree how it would work and how israel's troops would move and how we would rebuild the gaza strip and the economy, how we clean it up, how we protect israel. in the meantime, what we were able to do, i know it is very controversial, we also decided we would protect israel from outside sources. >> we weren't involved in this deal, the deal would have never happened. no deal would have never happened. the hostages probably would never have seen life again. but they certainly would not have been released for a long time. we changed the course of it. and we changed it fast. frankly, it better be done before i take the oath of office. i assume it is now. we signed certain documents. and it was so ungracious of biden to say he did it. he did not do anything. if we did not get involved, the

hostages would never be out. they would have never come out. >> of course, the release of the 33 hostages will be only part one of the agreement as jonah says. it will not result in the release of all the hostages. there are six or seven american hostages being held. if they are still in gaza at the end of the first phase, president trump indicated he would be supportive of israel resuming the war. that comes with political risks. david hale was the u.s. special envoy for middle east peace between the u.s. 2011 and 2013. let's pick up that issue we were talking about the palestinian authority. one of the most interesting aspects of this deal is benjamin netanyahu has acquiesced to hamas remaining in power, which he said he would never do. why has he done that? x i think hamas is not really empowered. thanks to the military action, they have brought hamas to its knees. which is why we have an agreement with strong messaging

from president trump. the key question is what will happen. will there be a vacuum in gaza? who will be in charge of security, building governance, who will coordinate rehabilitation? right now there are no answers to that question. the palestinian authority is in a doubtful capacity to put aside any of the politics. they don't have the presence or credit -- credibility needed to restore governance after this long absence. you are likely to see neighborhood associations come together block by block, district district doing what is needed to keep people focused. our goal in the u.s. should be on the bigger pictures, how we consolidate the reversal of fortune they have imposed upon iran and their allies. that means a multifaceted iran strategy, and solutions to deal with the localized problems of gaza, palestinians, lebanon not

resolved either. that is where i think the new team will be focused. >> i will come back to iran. there are interesting subjects about how the israeli right sees it and what they want from donald trump. in terms of the clip we played from the president elect saying it better get done. it probably will get done in the first phase. there will be some american hostages left behind. then we come to the very tricky second phase. presumably hamas hold onto those for maximum leverage. maximum leverage involves a path to a palestinian state. >> there is not going to be a palestinian state in the immediate future. neither the palestinians nor israelis really support the two state outcome. it has support in the arab world, europe, america, not amongst the parties. a lot of work needs to be done to reopen that pathway. president trump has demonstrated he's had leverage and is the powerful voice that moves these

parties and makes them a tough decisions. i'm confident the first phase will work out well. there may be troublemakers and spoilers, but i don't think it is a risk. the key question is not just second phase, but where the second phase goes. we need to not rely upon all thinking to deal with new realities. the new realities will not be addressed by the old formulas. those formulas worked for a while. they are not the answer today. you look at the grassroots, what people in gaza want. they don't want hamas, the pa, what do they want? what can we provide to rebuild their lives? >> you touched on the issue of iran. one of the diplomatic paradoxes of what is being achieved is he's forced on the israeli right a deal they revile. a deal supported by the israeli left. do you think there will be concerns within the israeli right and what more he will want from them? x for sure. they don't trust anyone.

they have demonstrated that. i'm not in the room, i don't know what went on behind the scenes. my guess is benjamin netanyahu made reassurances how far he would go and how far he would not go. and what leverage he's gained with the american president, the confidence being reestablished. my guess is common ground between us, the israeli government, the right wing will be iran. but together what we do to consolidate the gains the idf has achieved in reducing iran's ability to export malign influence through the middle east. >> on that particular issue, they want vastly different things. one would presume donald trump would want a maximalist deal on the nuclear issue, a second nuclear deal from which they extracted a lot. benjamin netanyahu wants them to bomb the nuclear facilities, he wants american support for that. >> my experience -- i was under secretary of state the first trump administration. the idea of returning to a

nuclear deal with iran was in the district -- distant horizon. we never abandoned it. the main objective was to apply sufficient pressure for a sufficient time to change the iranian calculus. we got a long way thanks to israel in changing that. but it is not done. the focus will be in the u.s. henri imposing sanctions, depriving the ability to export military material around the region and the world, and how you change their calculus if they are more amendable to the deal favorable to both israel and the u.s. >> the president elect really wants normalization between saudi arabia and israel. what he would see as the crowning glory of their a rabble cords. were he to go down that route, there is no doubt the saudi's want to see a path to a future palestinian state. it would not allow them to not put that in the negotiations.

>> they will pay lip service to it. it is true after october 7, they will require something more for the palestinians than was the case before that as part of the equation and the deal, which had more to do with what the u.s. could provide saudi arabia than what israel could. it has changed but does not have to be an ironclad commitment to the two state outcome. they are range of other things that could be beneficial to the palestinians and enable the saudi's to move forward on something that would be helpful to everybody. lebanon also has opened up opportunities for normalization. a change of government, the decimation of hezbollah and iranian influence. >> just quickly. there is opportunity. it you have a man in the white house who is an isolationist, who says it is not a war in syria. someone deeply involved in the middle east, does it frustrate you you might have a president who wants to take a backward step on the u.s. should be on the front foot? >> i would politely disagree with the word isolationist.

i think he believes in america first making sure we are focused on america's interest. he believes our partners around the world should take on their fair share of the responsibilities and burdens. the saudi's, the israelis, others in the middle east to our partners of the u.s. should be thinking of the solutions. they also recognize in the incoming white house america has an opportunity and we have a role to play. the arabs and israelis have to play their role. >> good to see you. we will take a short break. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. ♪

>> the governor of south dakota will become one of the most prominent figures in donald trump -- donald trump's new cabinet if she's confirmed this next week as the new secretary for homeland security. then she will be responsible for securing the border and enacting

the mass deportations donald trump has promised. in a three hour examination, she portrayed the illegal immigration at the u.s.-mexico border as an invasion and said she would work to reinstate trump's remaining mexico program. that forced non-mexican migrants to wait in mexico while pursuing u.s. asylum. >> border security must remain a top priority. as a nation, we have the right and responsibility to secure our borders against those who would do us harm. and we must create a fair and lawful immigration system that is efficient and effective and that reflects our values. president trump was elected with a clear mandate. he needs to achieve this mission because two thirds of americans support his immigration and border policies. including the majority of hispanic americans. >> immigration with a massive issue for voters in arizona. especially on the border with mexico. our correspondent is in the city of yuma, which sits right on the

border. i know in places like that, it is a more nuanced debate when it comes to migration. you have the huge security implications, which blights these communities. on the other side is an economy that depends on guesswork. how do they see the policies of the incoming administration? >> the sense you get on the ground is a sense of polarization. yuma and yuma county where we are now is a latino majority county. at the same time, they voted overwhelmingly for donald trump. we are exactly at the border taking a look at what has become an image so well-known around the world. the border wall built by donald trump. some portions of it have been continued by president biden. if you look in this direction, we have seen miles of it. get two points like this one, it is -- simply stops.

and here, this expands -- this expase's mexico. at some point during the biden administration, -- levels of illegal crossings. that promise from donald trump to carry out mass deportations from day one is something he's insistent on. he has not put a price tag on it because of what he believes to be the need, despite the fact we have seen the number of people coming over the border illegally, coming down since president biden enacted an executive order. i was speaking to the president and ceo of the center for regional border health. i asked if she thought she used -- they can carry out those mass deportations. >> i don't think they have the resources, the government. our immigration institutions and border patrol don't have the personnel to do to that scale of

magnitude he thinks he might be able to do at this point. it would probably take an enormous amount of money and people being recruited to become law enforcement and ice, and border patrol. that cannot happen really fast. it will take years to recruit people. right now they are having trouble recruiting people for their regular operations. i don't think the infrastructure is there to do that. >> politically, that is a really interesting point she makes. it will require vast amounts of money. we will see him with the flourish of a pen signed executive orders on monday and maybe some will say job done. but this is where congress comes in. there are deep divisions in republican circles over spending. and what should be prioritized when it comes to spending.

>> there absolutely is. but i think you get this sense something needs to be done because of what they saw under the biden administration. i was also talking to amanda. they've processed over 200,000 people during the biden presidency. the same as the population of yuma county. donald trump really has won the election on these talking points when it comes to immigration, at times using populist talking points, saying they are seeing an influx of criminal migrants, despite the fact we have seen from the likes of stanford people are coming over this border 30% likely to be convicted criminals than the average american. so i think this is going to be what he sees as one of the trademarks of his presidency and will be looking to push it through from day one. >> really interesting to see the fence in the wall behind you.

we will see how much more of the wall is built over the next four years. we will have coverage of donald trump's inauguration on bbc. we have been told it will move inside because of the cold weather in washington. but we will be here with a special program from washington on monday starting at 12:00 gmt. i hope you will join us for that. the u.s. up in court upheld a law that would ban the social media platforms tiktok on the grounds of national security unless the chinese owner bytedance sells its american operations to a non-chinese buyer. today's ruling means the band will be enforced on sunday a day before president elect trump and his -- take his place at the inauguration. although there are growing signs he might postpone it if a potential buyer can be found. the tiktok ceo will have a seat at the inauguration alongside presidents and dignitaries. in the last few hours, he thanked donald trump for his support in finding a solution. what the solution might be is

anyone's guess. speaking to cnn after the supreme court's decision, mr. trump did not give much away. joining me now is a tiktok influencer and co-founder of a period care lifestyle brand. no surprise in the ruling the justices handed down today. what will it mean for those who use tiktok in the u.s. come sunday night. >> sunday night, it will be a pretty emotional night. i think for many of us who use the app on a daily basis for the last five years of my life, where it is such a big part of my livelihood and my career, it is a really uncertain time. i think small businesses, creators like myself are absolutely learning to pivot. i'm investing into my platforms on other channels. i have about one million

followers. not every social media platform is the same. they are unique. tiktok has this unique ability for everyone to build a platform. that is really tough to be losing. but i also think it is so many millions of users feeling frustrated and disgruntled right now. the sentiment on the app and of the users has not at all been matched by the feelings of legislators making decisions about this. so there is a disconnected, dystopian feeling of losing a platform we personally trust and will really miss. >> there is a number of americans switching to this chinese alternative known as red note. they call themselves tiktok refugees. it is a similar app, but in mandarin. the instructions are in mandarin. you have to commit to not undermining the communist party when you go there. have you considered it, and how concerned will the authorities be so many are turning to that

sort of app? >> i think in typical gen z fashion, this is sort of the gen z way of being petty with the u.s. government -- >> we will show you attitude? >> yes. we will show you if you take away this app, we will go to red note. i think a lot of it is typical gen z humor. a lot of videos on tiktok about people making fun of the fact they will move to china so they can still use tiktok, or people making videos saying i'm learning how to speak mandarin from all my new friends on red note. i would not say from my perspective, and i have made a red note account to see what it was like and uploaded videos. it is all in chinese. i would say my personal understanding of it so far is very much like agency review to say if you take away bytedance, we will go to red note. and if you think tiktok was

trying to indoctrinate us, wait until we all start speaking chinese and moved to china. i think it is still very much a gen z humor thing. but it might turn into something much more serious if -- >> they may have to go somewhere. we will talk about the politics in the next hour. thank you for that. we will take a short break. after the break, we will talk plenty more about the announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ announcer: "usa today" calls it, "arguably the best bargain in streaming." that's because the free pbs app lets you watch the best of pbs anytime, anywhere.

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