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>> we have been dumped on by these countries. we know it and they know it and this town is corrupt as it can be and until we clean house and get things going. >> the world health organization regrets the announcement that the united states of america intends to withdraw from the organization. the w.h.o. plays a crucial role in protecting the health and security of the world's people including americans. ♪ sumi: joining us on panel tonight republic in -- governor of california and the democrat stretches joe rogan who served in the state department in the obama administration. ♪ christian: good evening. after a blitz of executive order, donald trump issued from the oval office last night now the heavy lifting begins. taking a lot of the policy

through congress. the president seen here at a prayer service early today. he is expected to meet in the next hour with the house speaker, mike johnson and the new senate leader, john. let's be clear. he is is on pace of papers for the cameras, getting near unanimity from the wave of the majority republican's having the house and another challenge altogether. sumi: they are hoping to hammer out the details here on how excited they are expecting to accomplish this ambitious legislative agenda. shock and awe on monday but now the question is, how do you pay for all of that? and in what order? donald trump is in favor of one big beautiful bill that included all his spending plans for the border for the tax cuts for the debt ceiling and much, much m more. our coverage bring it kris budden who has been following donald trump first full day in office, to see you. did we get a sense from donald trump on just how they plan to pursue that agenda?

>> well, i mean, there's, there's a various different kinds of agendas here. some of the stuff of course he announced is intentional. i want to do this. some of his stuff he can do absolutely like withdrawing from the w.h.o. we heard there in the paris climate agreement. aand in some of the stuff like e are expected in the next hour to get some sort of infrastructure announcement. per month that became a running joke here in the first top demonstration infrastructure. can -- david never got a bill. joe biden did pass a bill through congress trillion dollars worth of industry infrastructure expanding. roads and turtles and all the kind of thing. but they have not spent all the morning that was the amount for that. there's money in the part that they could start using straightaway redirecting to the kinds of things they want to use. so they may be able to do some that pretty quickly. but in terms of getting a massive bill through that includes tax cuts, that includes

border stuff, doing that sort of, omnibus type bill, that is something that republicans in the house are very wary of, they are incredibly narrow majority, fever, and the fingers on one hand in the house and so any kind of bill particularly that will increase the deficit which still some republicans are really worried about. sumi: and gary, as you are speaking, we're looking at some. just of the state department where the newly sworn in secretary of state, marco rubio, he delivered remarks a little bit earlier in the day to those who worked at the state department. what you think of what he has to say and whether you think his vision of america's role in the world aligns with donald trump? gary: it is very much the american first policy. i think he did not say that. but this thing, does it make us stronger? does it make us more prosperous? that does not include things like .8 spreading for example

and we know if there's now a moratorium on foreign aid spending for a period of time while they are looking at all. it is not include things like soft power and things like that. but they also rely on. so that funding for some of those other programs in the global south, people will be very worried about that and you add into that, the sort of moral compass that the republican party and the donald trump comes from, which is very, very concerned about an inner, kinds of programs around the world, you know, that might involve birth control for example. i think there's going to be a lot of ngo's that are going to be very worried about where the money is going to come from from those sorts of things in the future. >> gary, thank you very much for that angle. follow the money, that's what we say, isn't it? and that is what is going on here because house speaker and

johnson knows he has that slender majority. he knows that if he puts everything together, plumps it all together in one bill, let's have a reform of immigration in the, and let's get tax cuts and there. we will amend the debt ceiling. he is during those on the right of his party to say no. >> i think so. and i think it is a decision that speaker johnson is that speaker johnson is going to have to make. i think we have heard president from say that he wants one beautiful big bill. let's not forget that the people of america gave president from a mandate. they gave him the senate. to give him the congress. and republicans to come together because it is their job to work with presidential. it is his agenda, agenda for america first and move it forward. this notion of i'm -- i need a lifeboat, that is not going to happen here. president shr will be on the phone merely making sure he gets all of the votes. sumi: that is the park to cover if he will play the role that nancy pelosi played in, crawling her conference in congress? he is the one who is going through the side and i can't imagine that you would have a

whole lot of the factors among the republican members of congress who would stray from what donald trump wants? >> right now, the house, it is to 18 to 215. that means basically one house republican, and the fact, they would still be able to have the majority. there's still the question of what is in this package and they need to pass what is called a reconciliation bill in the house to get all of this done in one shot. and they move into the senate and get 51 senators and that is a real heavy lift. you know, a few years ago, when president trump then answered office in 2017, he had about 35 or so, i think it was 33 house majority amongst republicans and he cannot get things through congress. he cannot repeal healthcare as an example even though he wanted to. so it is a really tight margin. and democrats are going to punt out all of the problems with these bills and stripping away medicare, savings and stripping

away workers rights and stripping away economic opportunities for americans. it is going to be a very comfortable about. >> one thing ronald reagan always realize was that if you wanted to get to things through, that you promised the voters you needed to compromise with the congress. you needed to work with their allies in congress. he is almost time to do a lot of despite executive order. it might backfire for instance when he talks about tax cuts, which last time around, cost $2 trillion. abel: president joe is not a politician. that is not going to change who expressed interest is. he is a business guy. he is very, very, i mean, he is very, very sharp when it gets to this is what i want. this is a new president donald j. trump. eight years ago when he came into the white house, yeah, we yeah, we were talking joseland voting majority. this person knows what he needs now. he knows how he is going to move forward. and there's not going to be this

notion of, can i get a break on this one? he needs to oppose. he is going to get out. look what he did yesterday. i mean, he just came in with a vengeance. that is what he has going to do. that is the business side of him. sumi: but can he get republicans to suspend the debt ceiling? abel: i will tell you, there are a lot of things that are not popular that republicans are going to have to do because america give them the house, the senate, and the presidency. and you don't have it for a long time if you don't do what the american people sent you to do here. so i got a feeling that, you know, i've been in the legislature before when they corralled you, right? well, this one, i believe, is different because everything is on the line. this is, everything is on the one for america. they got a mandate. he better get it done. christian: i will tell you what struck me last night sitting here watching this impromptu press conference of the white house. in fact, i have run out of paper. i do not have enough notes. but it did strike me that actually from a reporter from a white house correspondence

perspective, here you had a president dealing directly with the media, which they have not had over the last year. joel: donald trump, he loves the camera. he is good at speaking. he loves to talk incessantly. i think one of the challenges that they are going to have in this initiation is keeping him on message and going to able's point. if you're going if you're going to corral those and i served and i served in the sand as a staffer and work closely with the house and the state department. you have to be on punt. you have to be clear but you have to explain why it is that every single member of your caucus has voted against those things they have said for years they said they would never vote for. in the case of the debt ceiling, over 30 minutes said they would not raise it. now why would they raise it? >> -- he can't accept rights. he might ask the price for the chemist. but behind closed doors, he has to be very clear. sumi: and we heard speak mike johnson. he was referenced by donald trump saint he is, a tough job

ended with the carpets. how about pretty much more of this discussion in a moment. for no, around the world and across the uk, this is bbc. welcome back. o

christian: will come back. one of the present priorities for this drug administration is getting the cabinet nominees approved. the senate committees that hold hearings today on at least stephanie's nomination to the u.n., well, she is going to be the impact to the u.n. and also for doug collins, who is nominated as veteran affairs secretary. the finance committee also has a -- approved scott benson for treasury secretary, but it is the key security positions which remain in full for moment. so the senate leader, johnson, says he is helping as well -- at some point today to confirm john ratcliffe as the cia director. no progress yet on that particularly thorny issue and the defense nominee, pete hegseth.

sumi: he remains controversial. they have approved marco rubio as the new secretary of state. he took the oath of office as you can see here this morning with the vice president, jd vance. he is something of a unicorn. well liked by republicans and democrats alike. yes, that does still exist. us and cannot be said for some of the others. he does have a great deal of foreign policy experience and it has to be said of marco rubio. he is a staunch supporter of very -- and here he is at his first concert -- first press conference. >> potential is going to keep those promises. and -- and his primary promise is that the priority of the united states department of state will be the united states. it will be further in the initial interest of this country. and he has given us a very clear mandate potential has made it very clear everything we do and this is true in government, but especially at the department of state. everything we do must be justified by the answer to one of three questions. does it make us stronger? does it make us safer? and does it make us more prosperous? if it does not do one of those

three things, we will not do it. christian: let's lean on the state department. sumi: i have heard that speech before. joel: from other secretaries of state. it is the exact same speech. good job for senator rubio to eat up talking points. christian: this is our new we form of american foreign policy. joel: it is. it is going to be a real test for marco rubio. is not a person known for being the transactional thinker. it is a deep track record of supporting for example foreign aid, being tough on russia, of being tough on iran. he is going to be doing lots of twists and turns. he is sort of the bendik that the all ready i would say. be a little cynical about it. look at the department likes to have secretaries who know the president well and who are internationalists and he fits that bill. he has the full support of the senate. former senators intend to get that person from their former

colleagues but i think folks in the department will be happy that they may be a refuge and island of normal in a very abnormal demonstration. to i cannot help but think watching his remarks today that he felt like it was a natural ft for marco rubio to take up this. his role in the senate, intelligence committee and set him up for this but he thanked the state department employees who were working around the world and even the local staff which is really important not to say that he highlighted them as well. but a bow, is he a good fit with donald trump on some of these policies for example having supported ukraine and a ukraine for years? abel: look at the end of rubio. senator rubio, very, very smart senator. understands his state. understands international issues. and i don't think donald j. trump would have -- potential would have chosen him if he were not aligned on a lot of the issues. i mean, they are -- men, marco is going to do a great job. look, i can just see him flourishing in this position because yeah, there's going to

be some changes but he is not going to be afraid to tell the person, this is what i believe it at the end of the day, the person is the one that has the patient. he made it very clear right there, i mean, does it make us safer? does it make us stronger? it is pretty basic. so i have a lot of high hopes for marco. 99 to zero on the confirmation. it says it all about his colleagues where he works. christian: on my side of the pump it will be listening carefully on what he said onto because there has been disappointed in recent weeks between the labor government and paging. he is and certainly belgium is pushing europe into making a lose-lose choice, either bent to donald trump's well or expect the tariffs. abel: i can guarantee you it is going to be where marco rubio is going to navigate. look, he's got some decisions to make. but he is the secretary of state as of today. and let's give him just a little bit of time to show us --

christian: this is the issue for -- how does he walk that fine line between these two big powers? joel: it is the hardest top of the signatry estate because always in every demonstration foreign ministers looked a little separately by the others run the table. oh, you are representing the foreign interests. you are hearing from foreign governments. not really supporting america. so for him to be able to translate what he is seeing overseas and why it matters to the nine states, that is his crucial task. sumi: and he wants to make sure the state department's relevance again, indicating that he felt that it was not relevant. the same time, donald trump is someone who tells his relationships, his personal relationships with foreign leaders. is there going to be a role for marco rubio to play and some of these really critical and difficult relationships? abel: of course. i think it starts with president trump. just look. personal relationships. he means what he says. i think during the campaign, he -- it is just rhetoric. he means what he says.

anything the world is listening to what potential is saying. and i think marco rubio is going to be a conduit. to finish as you stated, joked. make some finishing here. but i think it is going to be a great team. and i think in the next couple months, we are really going to see the impact of the strength and marco rubio has with the support of president from. joel: and i think it is very valuable to have a person of stature as the city, state. remember, it is the third in line to the presidency behind the vice president to speak of the house and then the secretary of state. so far in line. he is a former senator. he ran for president. so this is a leader of the stature. and i think it is very valuable because he is going to have to go, space alone. donald trump will be here having a lot of other issues. so robial going into the room is going in as a present of stature which i think it's very important for american diplomacy. christian: you said he is a unicorn, 99% approval. how many other nominees are going to get that sort of

backing? sumi: made a good impression there. the eyes of the world are watching what is happening here in washington including over in the uk. and in the uk today, [inaudible] has been responding to the enormous security failures that led to the southport knife attack in the summer. you remember led to several weeks of writing across the uk in the summer prevent that is very the government's -- the government's anti, excuse me, we are figuring out exactly where we are here. but indeed, it was the extremist threat that was opposed by the attacker excellent medical borrow and you see here, his mug shot, they missed it allowed him to snap and murder of three young girls in a. christian: and i think what is interesting is [inaudible] has denied any chance of a cover up insisting that he knew of this back on. but he has withheld it from the public he says because he didn't want to deny the victim's justice and trial. natural frodge, though, has been telling his side of the story on x saying that he thinks the

publisher was not entirely forthcoming on this issue. and that is where it gets interesting because some the commentary in the newspapers refers to the government for subpoenas to get their points across before elon musk gets distracted on this side and starts tweeting as he did about the [inaudible]. so let's bring in tom simons who has been watching this for us. the element, is the new reality really. you have a government in the uk responding to an entirely domestic issue but trying to get ahead of the story because you're concerned about how it might be portrayed from this side. tom: definitely and a former senior prosecutor back in the 2010's and so what you would've thought would've been an ideal person to deal with, a, these awful roaming gangs, often asian men in northern cities attacking, grooming, sexual abuse and white girls and b, this frantic triple knife

attack, three young girls embedded in the northwest. you think he would be on top of all of that as a former prosecutor but he did struggle with the grooming gangs it is because elon musk took the initiative away from the government and started talking about something that perhaps just on the felt he had dealt with as he had in tran11. and that the public opinion followed. and as you say, i think it is true to say that the government, they have got off the box very quickly to promise a public inquiry into the southport murders, the three girls and to say that there were already lessons to learn. there's a body that is supposed to pick up when people might be at risk of extremism. has got was not a terrorist. he had no political ideology. he was extremely dangerous and the question is, should that party have picked that up as an early stage and prevented those tests? christian: jusma dragon lee, tom, obviously devin ramey or trying to strengthen relationships with the trump administration.

but there is most notably and we saw yesterday in the oval office a political partnership -- by shift here. on new rules on diversity and inclusion on protection for civil service. but also on the cultural issues. tom: yeah, and i think from london, they are probably looking across at all the razzle-dazzle in the u.s. and sing to themselves, we are ok so far. great britain has not been mentioned. you. the united kingdom has not been mentioned. by donald trump. the tariffs, will, that so far, mexico and canada. so i think they will probably be quite coveted at this stage. but as you say, it is an enormous challenge. i was quite struck with an article that lord mendelson who is burton's. to be the chief diplomat in washington wrote on fox news, of course, very carefully worded. he picked up all the major points. he courtroom's victory a

comprehensive victory. he called him a great campaigner. he said he was straight talking, dealmaking instincts. he said the u.s. was right to ask nato for omar manning and he said that we were old partners' in new ways of working. so check, check, check, or tick, tick, tick as we would say in the uk. every thing -- every single one of those points on that note i haven't heard a speech from the foreign secretary recently, he is saying very similar things. sumi: all right, thank you so much. really interesting to get that perspective and joe, i know she was scribbling furiously as we were watching that there. i'm curious from your here in washington, how do you see the reaction that is happening there in the uk? joel: i mean, it is quite distressing, quite frankly. as a person who has worked in america for foreign policy for a number of years to see countries afraid of the united states in such a visceral way to see foreign minister's basically using trump talking points to gain favor from him to protect their countries. that is not how states are supposed to work with each other. that is not how countries are

supposed to be engaged -- work with each other, work with to get us as equals as equals rather than the fear of a close ally. donald trump is already trying to rhetorically affect our allies. panama, sweden, canada. who next? i find it very distressing. i'm not sure what the goal is. and i think that when you add to that, the social media platforms who are echoing his rhetoric, all the big shots sitting there, the plutocrats in the inauguration sitting in front of his cabinet choices more important than his own cabinet. that is a very distressing signal to send to the world. christian: the envoy from the special relationships. sumi: a new there was a reason. >> i got here before. but there was some reporting this weekend that may be his papers would be rejected. they really irritated over here to campaign for kamala harris. can really imagine that they would say that?

abel: and i think as we move forward, potential is going to look at it but struck by this notion that, you know, they are catering to present time, i don't look at it that way. they know pitera donald trump. they work with him for four years. he was a president before. so this is not new. a new president. sumi: but elon musk's influence, perhaps it is something new. >> of course. i saw all those folks that were sitting there and people this morning up in arms that he had met her and you had elon musk. , last election, they were with joe biden. so, i mean, it is like, they are not them people here. they know exactly what they want. sign up they are trying to get in with -- are not about influence. they want to make sure that they are at the table. they want to make sure their voices heard and i can guarantee you this. presidential will hear everybody's voices and he is going to make his own decision. his own decision. christian: well, it is going to be a want to walk, isn't it?

and when not -- natural frodge is tweeting, he lost support from some within the republican movement. we will see how that goes on over the next 24, 48 hours we're going to take a short break. to stay with us. plenty more to come on the program. you are watching bbc news. announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ announcer: "usa today" calls it, "arguably the best bargain in streaming." that's because the free pbs app lets you watch the best of pbs anytime, anywhere.

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