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this multi-day visit to show his ties with president trump are strong. his relation with joe biden was strained. >> to me, it is unfair to explain to palestinians they might be back in five years. that is preposterous. ♪ >> the first foreign leader through the door. the israeli prime minister in washington to rebuild his relationship with donald trump. two men will meet in the next hour to discuss a cease-fire with hamas. we will get reaction to that. also, 10 people killed in a school shooting in sweden. can you be sure that the book you take to bed tonight was written by a human being? a very warm welcome. president trump will meet benjamin netanyahu at the white

house. the israeli prime minister the first foreign leader to visit president trump in his second term. much of the focus of these talks will be on the second phase of the cease-fire with hamas. the agreement mapped out three phases of negotiations to end the 15 month war. the first which began january 19 has led to the release of 18 hostages and the return of 583 palestinians so far. the more difficult decisions on who will control gaza when and if an indefinite truth is signed are yet to be worked out. israeli negotiators argued to return to doha in the coming days after this white house visit. a short time ago, new national security advisor and president trump's special envoy spoke to the press. they were asked about the president's suggestion the people in gaza should be moved out. >> i would push back on the characterization of cleaning out

gaza. i think president trump is looking at this from a humanitarian standpoint. these people sitting with literally thousands of unexploded ordinance and piles of rubble. at some point, we have to look realistically how you rebuild gaza, what it looks like, the timeline. a lot of people are looking very unrealistic timelines. we are talking 10, 15 years. >> 30,000 unexploded munitions. the buildings that could tip over at any moment. there is no utilities whatsoever. no working water, electric, gas, nothing. god knows what kind of disease might be festering that. when the president talks about cleaning it out, he talks about making it habitable. it is a long-range plan. >> the two sides will discuss the future of arms shipments to israel. also the discussion on iran's effort to build a nuclear weapon

and part of that renewed focus on iran. the president just signed this afternoon a presidential memo that orders the u.s. treasury to restore maximum pressure on tehran to a point where the oil exports would be reduced to zero. it would include further sanctions and reinforcement on those violating sanctions. we have the perfect guest tonight, the director of the rice university institute for public policy, the former u.s. special envoy for the middle east. let's turn to those comments. they are not wrong it will take years to rebuild gaza. but when you talk about moving displaced people out of the strip, alarm bells will be going off in the palestinian communities. >> they are certainly correct in describing, indeed understating the magnitude of the

humanitarian disaster, the physical disaster that is gaza. the difficulty here is any effort to address this horrific situation by the movement out of gaza, however that might be done , of significant numbers of its palestinian population, run immediately into a significant security and political challenge. whether one looks at egypt or jordan. in both cases, and before the october 7, 2023 attack by hamas, both governments made clear the political stability, the security of their countries, egypt and jordan, could not, would not withstand the transfer of the presence, even for an interim of significant number of populations. it is a security threat for egypt. both a political and security

challenge of the highest order for the kingdom of jordan. >> also, logistical problems as well. i spent a lot of times in the sinai desert. there is a water shortage in egypt, tens of thousands of people living almost indefinitely in desert areas in an area that is pretty insecure. it doesn't appear sustainable. >> it cannot be done. i was responsible as director general for many years. it can maintain the population it currently holds, a much less any significant introduction of palestinians, and there is a very real security challenge that would be posed by the exporter of hamas operatives and their ideology once again after a brutal war was fought to suppress isis and before that, al qaeda. >> can we talk about the relationship? that will be key when it comes

to sorting out the second phase of the agreement. do you think there is trust on the part of president trump? does he trust benjamin netanyahu? what does he want from president trump? >> i don't think it is an issue of trust. it is an issue of intent and objectives. i believe the president wants to take advantage of a very different middle east that has emerged over the past several months. decapitation of the hezbollah leadership and a cease-fire in place with the new president in lebanon. iran significantly, perhaps the greatest extent since 1979 and the establishment of the islamic republic, diminished in its ability to present its own policies, gemini sigg influence through the middle east and beyond, then the elimination, departure of the offside regime with all that means for iran and hezbollah.

the president wants to see what can be done in this environment. i think what can be done are several things. the president and the order on maximum pressure with respect to iranian harjo carbon exports, which will have an impact, that is part of i believe a deal that is inclusive and a greater extent than the jcpoa of 2015, sharp constraints on any form of enrichment or nuclear program in iran to go to ballistic missile constraints, which were not part of the jcpoa. and finally, iranian support for proxy militias, first and foremost, the houthis and their challenge in the red sea. the president wants to see the saudi deal. the saudi deal is about far more than normalization with israel. although that is a vital part. the previous administration, this administration want to see this done. but here we come to the challenge.

the door through which you move to a saudi deal has been outlined by mohammad bin salman on and senior saudi officials. the recognition by a commitment on the part of the government of israel to a credible path to negotiated permanent status resolution. that has been beyond difficult for the prime minister to accept. let's turn to gaza and the challenges to get to a day before that allows anything other than misery and the continued hamas active assertion of authority on the ground as we solve -- saw during hostage releases. you will need the political horizon because any involvement by regional states, the united arab emirates, the saudi's, egyptians, moroccans or others, in either stabilizing gaza or contributing to its reconstruction, a task which the

u.s. neither will nor can take on itself or should. that will require the political vision, this is a harsh reality. >> it is so complex. you spelt it out so clearly. it is all interconnected. if you go back one step to the jcpoa and the maximalist approach donald trump is taking towards oil and squeezing the regime in tehran, that is not axially -- actually where the prime minister wants to go. he does not want containment, he wants to bomb nuclear facilities and will we with them once and for all. >> i can't speak for where the president will be at the conclusion of these meetings. but i think it is very clear that what he wants to see is an extraordinary binding tight arrangement that presents all of

their conduct and behaviors. but not to the point of regime change or the military engagement of the united states in another conflict when there may be another way out to achieve the same effective result. >> let's suppose, and they contain iran and the proxies that wield influence in that region. come back to the saudi arabian issue you outlined, may be a two state solution? because after october 7, i'm not convinced those on the left would have much faith in the two state solution. >> it is a traumatized population for absolutely understandable reasons. i lived there for almost a year. i fully understand. the reality is that commitment, the notional undertaking to

provide a political framework, those words, critical pathway to a permanent status resolution, that will be the door through which any kind of day after four gaza emerged. i'm afraid there are not any other pathways that can bring in the arab support, arab or to the patient, presence in gaza, which is the only alternative to one of two unacceptable outcomes. the first is the situation simply becomes more miserable, more compressed. that is difficult to conceive as sustainable. >> as we are speaking, president trump has put out a statement saying there is no alternative but palestinians leaving gaza and he wants to see neighboring countries take the palestinians. how much of that is him sticking to this not -- that line running

through the people who are around him? mike wallace, former green beret, hawkish on the threat. steven witkoff not greatly experienced at this game. does it mean the presidents instincts take precedent within the oval office? >> i'm not going to comment on that. i will comment on the extraordinary difficulty in obtaining, whether through pressure or persuasion, the significant acceptance by either governments of egypt or jordan of any meaningful number of palestinians out of gaza, or for that matter, any other state in the middle east. that is a reality. it is a reality based on those countries defined self interests and not justification. >> hugely interesting, thank you for coming on the program.

>> we will take a short break. around the world and across the u.k., you are watching bbc news.

>> police in sweden say around 10 people have been killed in a shooting at a community college. the suspected attacker is among the dead. the swedish prime minister said it is the worst mass in sweden's history. the shooting happened in the city of -- around 120 five miles west of the capital, stockholm. students and staff were kept inside the buildings which houses a number of schools for adults and children. police don't know the motives, but think the attacker acted alone. >> there has been a shooting, she says. as more bullets ring out. inside the school, people take refuge under their desks.

it was lunch time when the gunman opened fire. his target, a college for adult learners in central sweden. we have an ongoing series -- serious situation, adding that they were working at full capacity with little information to go on. dozens of armed police teams and ambulances came to the site. other schools nearby at a restaurant were sealed off. officials later updated what they knew so far. >> the school was immediately put in lockdown. we noticed smoke developing in the premises. several injured people were found with gunshot wounds. one of whom could be the perpetrator. >> this sort of school shooting is rare in sweden. the country suffers one of the highest rates of crime in the eu. which has been blamed on spiraling gang rivalry. >> it is crazy, totally crazy. i'm angry and shocked.

this should not have happened. schools should be safe for the children and adults. these things should not happen in sweden or elsewhere. >> tonight, no motive for this. strict rules on gun ownership in sweden. the shooting will pose questions about whether rules are strong enough. while police pieced together more about the man behind the attack. >> peter navarro, donald trump's senior trade advisor, says president trump will shift the american economy from one over reliant on income taxes and the internal revenue service, to one that grows through tariff revenues. the president has argued for months the revenue the treasury earns from his terrace could replace income taxes, the primary source for the u.s. speaking at a political event, peter navarro said that objective is also to stop the flow of fentanyl into the u.s. >> what is happening is you see

the president fighting the drug war. it is not a trade war. he immediately came out talking trade war, this, that, the other thing. this particular action is a drug war. what we have seen is a lot of pearl clutching when this was announced. we've also seen immediate results from mexico and canada. >> china has hit back at the 10% tax washington imposed yesterday in retaliation, beijing said it will impose 15% tariffs on the import of u.s. coal and liquefied natural gas. 10% on crude oil, farm equipment, and some american built drugs. the chinese measures come into effect february 10, which leaves time for the leaders to discuss how they might avoid further trade escalation. a conversation is planned sometime this week. our chief economics correspondent reports. >> what happens when the leaders

of the two most powerful economies face off? saturday, president trump announced charges of an extra 10% of imports of chinese items such as clothing and materials used to make phones and wind turbines. china's president xi jinping retaliated with similar tariffs next monday on american made goods like oil and pickup truck's. on chinese state tv, president trump was accused of seriously damaging global trade rules. after he escalated a trade dispute that started in his first term. in total, the u.s. and china traded 577 billion dollars worth of goods in 2023. but americans buy more from china than the other way around. that angers president trump, who aims to boost american business and jobs at the expense of chinese ones. elsewhere, the 25% tariffs

president trump is threatening to impose on the eu could see carpet by 4.5% in germany. he's undecided whether to target the u.k., but we could still be affected. more on that later. but all of this into uncertain. take canada and mexico. even after yesterday's last suspension, the lingering threat of tariffs could be a damaging tactic. >> by creating uncertainty about whether any firm, either u.s. owned can access the market from outside the u.s., he's trying to draw investment inward. >> it is thousands of miles from the u.k. headquarters, but they warned the mexican tequila and canadian whiskey businesses risk tariffs of 200 million pounds. americans may face higher bar bills and other british businesses could suffer in -- indirectly. >> the u.k. will be exporting to

the u.s. by its relationships with firms in the european union. to the extent a british firm is supplying parts to a firm in france or germany, and france or germany faces it, it will pass through and feed into the u.k. >> president trump is aiming to promote american interests at the expense of others. but the man who wrote the book the art of the deal may find his attempts to outmaneuver his trading partners have repercussions. including at home. >> the cofounder of the american leadership initiative is an expert on trade policy. also on ai governance. great to have you on the program. when you look at the list china has put together overnight, it seems symbolic. it is backdated to february 10. so they have given some leeway for a conversation. it would also seem to have more

in the toolkit. >> yes. in a way, the response was quite measured. the u.s. does not really export much lng to china. i think about 2% of our sales. we don't export that many cars, china buys most of its cars to the extent it imports cars from europe and japan, some from russia. it was a pretty measured response. but they did impose restrictions on four critical minerals and they put two u.s. companies on a black list and announced they were launching antitrust investigations into google. >> here is the interesting one to me. we know some darpa chai is close to the president.

the former finance minister in canada said they need to start looking at who is supporting trump and how we can make them pay a price for the tariffs on canada. do you think some of these countries will look at the tech people around donald trump? >> quite possibly. i think for the u.s., possibly the most damaging, the potentially damaging piece of what china announced was restrictions on the four critical minerals. which of course are directly used in a lot of semiconductors and high-tech products. that really gets at the u.s. supply chain for the products. i think china is showing us it has a lot of different things other than tariffs in its toolkit, which it can used to retaliate if things escalate. >> one of the big ai figures in

washington is alexander wayne, who runs scale ai, he warned the president the ai war is not one that the u.s. can afford to lose. do you think that overshadows the talks and is donald trump focused on that? >> i think it is a legitimate issue. i don't think it overshadows because the u.s. and china, china is still the second largest u.s. trading country. with mexico being number one and canada being number three, obviously donald trump took opening salvos at all three this past weekend. so it is a very major relationship. if it escalates, it would have really profound effects not just on the u.s. and china, but globally. >> he talks about 20, 30%, 40%

tariffs. what would happen if that were to pass? >> it would be devastating. i have seen estimates of impact on global gdp. not just u.s. and china. but i was heartened by the fact donald trump's opening salvo at china was a lot less than the 60% he talked about on the campaign trail. so it seems like these countries are being careful. they are being very cautious. i'm hoping trump is using this as a cudgel to negotiate an agreement. he's obviously concerned about fentanyl and wants something done like with canada and mexico. but i also think there is opening for trade agreement. he famously negotiated phase one agreement in his first term

where china committed to buying over $200 billion of goods in 2020 and 2021. most of which did not come to pass because of covid. so he could continue on asking for that. but also moving on to other topics that are more permanent, like the fact china is flooding global markets with solar panels, clar's -- cars. >> we are almost up against the break. thank you for your time. announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪

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