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whether you'll like your job or not, whether you'll make friends, whether you'll fit in, and here i feel like it's so welcoming and such an inclusive place to work, you just feel like you're valued. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation, the judy and peter blum kovler foundation, upholding freedom by strengthening democracies at home and abroad. announcer: and now, bbc news. >> hello. this is "the context." >> if hamas does not return our hostages by saturday afternoon, the cease-fire will end. >> the palestinians or the people that live now in gaza will be living beautifully in another location, living safely. they are not going to be killed, murdered and having to leave every 10 years. >> there is a plan from egypt
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and the arab countries. we are being invited to have conversations and discussions. it is hard to make this work in a way that is good for everyone. >> not only these conversations about the future of gaza. there is also this looming deadline in the cease-fire negotiations between hamas and israel. >> the israeli prime minister takes his cue from donald trump. the war will resume on saturday unless hostages are released. the king of jordan is at the white house to negotiate for the arabs. we will get reaction from washington. also tonight, 60 countries agree to sign a final communique at the ai summit in paris but the u.k. sides with the united states, opting out. the security brief is back out.
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will talk about the arms for minerals deal that suddenly has donald trump's attention. a very good evening. jordan's king is in washington for what surely is the toughest encounter he has had since he took the throne. president trump is pushing the king to relocate to million palestinians from the gaza strip to jordan and egypt. with the cease-fire in gaza now hanging by a thread, both jordan and egypt are strongly opposed to the president plan to create this resort in gaza. despite his threat to suspend u.s. aid to the two countries if they don't agree to take into million palestinians. there was this from the king. >> one of the things we can do right away is take 2000 children that are cancer children or very ill, to jordan and then wait for
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the egyptians to present their plan on how we can work with the president to work on those challenges. >> i didn't know that, you said, 2000 children with cancer or other problems. that's really a beautiful gesture. that's really good and we appreciate it. we will be working on the rest with egypt, you will see some great progress. i think with jordan you will see some great progress. we will have some others helping, at a very high level and the whole thing will come. it is not a complex thing to do. >> some others think it is. however outlandish the plan might be, to those who followed the history of the region, it was always likely he would interfere with the now 10 year cease-fire. hamas indefinitely postponed the release of hostages, blaming
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first of all, it was said that it would be the three, in line with the agreement. three israeli hostages on saturday in exchange for palestinian prisoners. then it was a bit more ambiguous. the hostages. then after the security cabinet finished, suddenly the israeli media were briefed and they started saying all of the hostages and now prime minister netanyahu is picking up and saying all of the hostages have to be released by noon on saturday, or else the war will start. the difficulty, there is a protest tonight in front of the prime minister's residence. this will create even more panic for the families of the hostages because they felt -- the first phase of the deal, known as the humanitarian phase was going quite well and hostages were
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released every week as to believe it in the deal. hamas threw a wrench in by suddenly questioning, saying that israel was not keeping it's part of the deal. president trump said all bets are off. and suddenly all the hostages have come into the conversation. will be -- will the families be putting pressure on the prime minister? will the media agencies in -- the mediators in qatar and egypt say no, keep to this cease-fire deal? tonight it is in the balance but as of now, the official statement out of the prime minister's office is all of the hostages. >> we were saying last week that this gaza plan which is unconnected to the hamas decision directly, but he said it would have consequences and you hear in the statement that prime minister netanyahu has put out, the competency has. he is channeling the same thing we heard from donald trump last night in the oval office.
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he is directly taking his cues from the oval office. >> very much emboldened. he can't believe his good luck. it is difficult to see how they can see this as a win-win situation for them, because politically, hamas will think it cannot release all the hostages. it is their only bargaining chip. it was always known that phase two of the deal, they've sort of begun negotiations but they are not wrestling with the main issues. when they got to the second phase of the deal which would require israel to withdraw their forces and for all of the hostages to be released and the remains of those who were not alive. this was always going to be difficult, but now the first phase seems to be at risk. unless president trump listens to the mediators and says you must keep to the deal, three on saturday, if the families of the hostages put pressure -- but let's see. >> obviously there is rickman
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ship on both sides -- brinkmanship on both sides. we are halfway through the 42 day period. there is supposed to be negotiations in doha but that is to do with governance and who controls gaza, if indeed the cease-fire were to continue. and it seems that donald trump is doubling down on the plan such that no one is really engaging with governance anymore. they are talking about clearing it out. >> what we had heard was when prime minister netanyahu sent a delegation to qatar to begin negotiations, they were just discussing the first phase and not the second phase. they didn't even begin to talk about the real issues but prime minister netanyahu will feel and hamas will think there is no point in discussing who will run gaza because president trump keeps doubling down. he did it with the king of jordan. that he is going to own, not pay for but own the gaza strip and
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he just doesn't seem to be pulling away from that idea. quite the opposite. you can see the king having to respond to questions like this and trying to back them away and please president trump with an offer to take in 2000 children, but not committing to the -- to what president trump wants which is to remove all of the palestinians. >> the point that hamas is trying to make, that there was a breach of the agreement. have we been able to verify at all the points they are raising and whether there is any basis to it? >> the feeling is that while this first phase is going relatively well, given the huge distrust between the two sides, both sides are violating the agreement. what hamas is worried about, they talked initially about not enough aid getting in. what they seemed to be most concerned about, and i checked with the u.n. to see what they are concerned about coming in.
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food is coming in but not many tents or caravans coming in. not enough trouble clearing equipment. given that president trump is saying we are going to clear it and rebuild. they don't want gazans to suddenly be putting up tents, they want them to leave. hamas thinks of this as a precursor to this inevitable president trump -- people don't think that president trump plan is going to happen. it depends on qatar and saudi arabia, the states with money, paying for some of it. it depends on egypt and jordan taking into million palestinians between them which they won't at -- which they absolutely won't. today -- even if the palestinians in gaza were to go somewhere else, that is something that will be unacceptable to the arab states. it still is ethnic cleansing.
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>> will you stay with us because i want to bring in president biden's former special envoy to the middle east. it is good to see you. would you pick up on that point, about the arab states? there was a u.s. state department representative in egypt last night, who said they want to slow walk this. you can't blame them. but what if there is a catastrophic event? they may not be in a position to slow walk it if the gates are suddenly opened. >> let me go back to what she was saying and her remarks are quite on point. there is not going to be an evacuation, voluntary or involuntary of 2 million plus palestinians from gaza. the palestinians they are, although their circumstances are miserable, absolutely miserable, they still regard it as their
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home. they aren't going to leave and neither is israel nor any other party going to make them depart. with respect to egypt or jordan, if there is a bright historic redline for each state based on reasons of political and security instability, it is their unwillingness to accept, even if attempt to be compelled, significant -- not medical emergency cases, not a few thousands but the entire population of gaza. it isn't going to happen. the things that have to be focused on now our first, the humanitarian issue regarding the hostages. there are living hostages, significant numbers of living hostages who remain in gaza. how does one affect their release? i don't know. what the variety of statements coming out of israel mean, if three hostages as scheduled were to be released saturday which
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hamas appears to have said they will do, is that enough? i don't know. there is a lot of brinksmanship. but the focus has to be on sustaining the cease-fire and the release of these individuals who are clearly suffering. what is the day after in gaza? it isn't going to be the departure of palestinians. it needs to be a progressive attempt at stabilization and reconstruction. that is going to come, if it comes, from key arab states. that will require a political framework, a political horizon which encompasses the commitment of israel to a credible pathway to a negotiated permanent state resolution. that is very hard to contemplate or say but that is what the arab states have made clear they need to see. >> so often with this president that you will hear this is just
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a negotiating tactic. is there a danger from an american perspective that he pushes so hard on the arab states and puts forward this plan that they know cannot work that it pushes them into the arms of russia and china? >> no. frankly i am not concerned about that. what i am concerned about is whether if as we all assess, egypt and jordan will not take more than a very small number of emergency humanitarian cases. which may be good enough, but if it isn't, if the assistance, military and economic that the united states provides to each country, is cut as a punitive measure or consequence, that has real security implications. first and foremost for israel, and then for the region as a whole. i would expect israel would be greatly concerned if any such outcome was pending. >> the jordanians put into parliament last week a bill that would deny palestinians nationality in jordan, for a very good reason.
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there are protests already in jordan and there seems to be a new cursory interest in the white house in the history of that region and what has gone on in jordan and the threat to the king himself. this potentially is an existential threat to the king, is it not? >> i believe to accept the dramatic numbers of palestinians , hundreds of thousands, if not a million to jordan would indeed be -- is seen by the king as an existential threat. as if a national suicide. >> always good to talk to you, thank you very much. he will remember his father having to put down the plo in black september.
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-- there are now majority of palestinians in the gaza strip. >> it is existential. also existential for egypt. and we are now hearing that the president has delayed his trip to the white house, canceled it. he doesn't want to be sitting there in front of the fire, as the king was. >> david pooh-poohed that idea that the chinese and the russians are going to get involved but if you withdraw billions in funding which is critical to these countries, don't you run the risk -- we have seen before that the chinese will fill the void if the american money is not there. >> the king has been clever at trying to keep lines open to all countries. he's always had a juggling act. he was trying to juggle between qatar and saudi arabia. he is so dependent on foreign
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aid to keep his country afloat, to keep the salaries paid in his kingdom, to create jobs in his kingdom. the relationship between the kingdom of jordan and the net it states, he will not want to politically, strategically, he knows that matters. people want to keep this relationship. but yes he could have some chinese. just can't replace it. in egypt is it is -- it is even more. $1.3 billion is part of the camp david accords, the peace treaty between israel and egypt. if you take away the money, what is left of the peace treaty? >> actually there is very recent history here and we shouldn't forget that the jordanians brought down iranian missiles going into israel. they were paramount in the fight against isis. all the -- and they have taken in thousands of syrians already. they have been under enormous pressure. >> the king used to say that
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jordan is stuck between iraq and a hard place. i'm sure understanding that with president trump, it is a transactional relationship, what does jordan have to give to president trump? this promise of stability and a warning that if he carries out his plan, he will have a middle east in turmoil and it will not stay within borders. that's the same for egypt. it is truly existential for many. the palestinians in gaza most of all. >> always good to talk to you, thank you for coming in. we will take a short break. you are watching bbc news. ♪
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britain was unlikely to sign the statement after the u.s. vice president expressed his reservations about the communique which called for inclusive and sustainable ai. >> at this moment we face the extraordinary prospect of a new industrial revolution, one on par with the invention of the steam engine or bessemer steel. but it will never come to pass if overregulation deters innovators from taking the risks necessary to advance the ball. nor will it occur if we allow ai to become dominated by massive players looking to use the tech to censor or control user thoughts. >> here is the french foreign minister responding. >> the united states is defending its interests. that is understandable. but we are proposing in paris and which seemingly attracts the
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interest of the international community is a third path for artificial intelligence, which is open, sustainable, led by a goal to sustain the common good and improve the lives of our fellow citizens. >> with me in the studio tonight, vice chair of an all party group at westminster that consults on artificial intelligence. welcome. a spokesman for the prime minister tonight has confirmed the u.k. did not sign but they have not said why. could you said some light -- could you shed some light? >> i can't, but what we can see is a significant debate of where the united kingdom was going to position itself, in terms of being competitive in a global ai race. what does that mean? we know that the eu has produced a new eu ai act that puts certain regulations in place, some people carry -- consider a barrier to investment from the
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eu themselves and then there is the u.s., the biggest ai market at the moment, where we are seeing huge elements of growth and huge investment and the question is where does the u.k. want to play as we have seen the development of ai technology and the economy around ai? >> when the prime minister talks about mainlining ai into the british economy and the competition there is, is he wary of the fact that if he puts more regulation in place, if he isn't strapping himself to the americans, it is less likely the u.k. will attract that investment? >> i would put it the other way around. it's more about do you want to fully align yourself with a european model that doesn't give us differentiation, doesn't give us a competitive advantage or the opportunity to say yes to different investment. i have spoken to various investors that are looking -- looking globally about where they choose to plays their beds
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-- place their beds but they are considering the u.k. because it could be slightly different to the eu and that is a very important dynamic. that is where the prime minister and the government may have been very clever in this summit to have helped -- held back somewhat. >> i know he is very passionate about ai, the prime minister but he was in cornwall yesterday at a previously arranged meeting with the king but were you surprised he didn't actually go to paris? here was a prime opportunity to go and engage with the new vice president on an issue that is so crucial to the british economy. >> i think there are more bilateral conversations to be had between the u.s. and the u.k. that don't need to be had in paris and that is probably what we are seeing here. we are seeing the tectonic plates around a global transformative technology moving, people aligning themselves, people looking at where they get a competitive advantage, where can they seek investment? how did they look appealing to
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that global investment market customer i think the prime minister, and this is playing a very clever hand by not tying himself to what is happening in paris. >> stay with us because i want to get your view on the biggest feud in ai at the moment which has bubbled to the surface again. a war of words between elon musk and the cao of -- ceo of openai. musk hosts a consortium of investors who have opened a bid to purchase openai. sam altman a client of the offer on twitter and said no thank you, we will buy twitter for $9.7 billion if you want, to which muska responded swindler. there is no love lost between these two. it's a game going on because he is trying to push up the price of openai. are you at all concerned if musk were serious that we have someone who has so much control, not only over social media but
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also the developing ai market? >> yes and no. anyone would be concerned if an individual takes that element of control in the emerging technology, which chatgpt has been the sort of game changer. especially the public's visibility of ai technology. we knew it had been coming for years. but that chatgpt moment in november 2002 really changed things. yes of an individual takes control. but there are much bigger models out there, other platforms. we have seen what china did with deepseek. there will be competition. >> very quickly, is musk the biggest obstacle to investments in britain? >> i wouldn't say so. i don't think it's about elon musk and investment in britain.
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britain has to look open to business, has to look look and attractive proposition, and we are. the way we position ourselves in terms of sign posting around regulation, our approach to investment and entrepreneurs, which is a booming industry, is what will make us an attractive investment. >> you must come on and join us. >> i will. >> nice to see you. we will take a short break. narrator: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... bdo, accountants and advisors, funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation, the judy and peter blum kovler foundation, upholding freedom by strengthening democracies at home and abroad. ♪ ♪ usa today calls it "arguably the best bargain in streaming" that's because the free pbs app let's you watch the best of pbs anytime, anywhere.
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