>> college sports is a billion dollar industry thanks the product on the feel. a product organized by coaches and athletes. >> the money has changed dramatically in college sports in the last 20, 30, 40 years. almost a whole different universe. >> critics say students should see some compensation. that story coming up. >> exploring new issues each week, giving equal time to competing points of view. >> hello from the campus of san jose state university and

welcome to this edition of equal time. i'm your host bob rucker. student athletes take on more than academics. practices are long and many players put in extra work on their own time. anthony banano shows us, many athletes should score more cash. >> don teeg was the starting center of the football team, a team that has been enshrined in the university's hall of fame. teeg suffered a neck injury that prevented him from playing provisionally. >> i never thought about the long haul. i had to use my neck and my head and snap the ball. before you could even get your hands out in front. >> after being signed as a

rookie agent. the 49ers allocated him to the european league. >> they said, hey, your injuries are too much for us, but we this you could rehabilitate yourself. they sent me to college. >> more than eight players are injured each year. the special team's coach fred knows what sort of research goes into drafting college players. >> they do such a great job of researching everybody individually and what they do is go to the trained staff and look at medical records. you are talking about a multimillion dollars investment in the nfl. >> some football players like teeg say they don't get enough in return for sacrificing their bodies. he still has medical bills. student athletes should be

paid, one reason being the career crushing consequences of sustaining an injury. >> every time you go out, you take a risk because you never know how the body will hold up. >> from their talk station in san francisco. mcaffry and cohost brian murphy have catched sports grow into a billion dollars industry. >> the money has changed dramatically in college sport ins the last 20, 30, 40 years. almost a different universe. >> espn paid to broadcast the college football here for $30 million. -- he uses his own example of being paid as a student reporter for the ucla newspaper. >> i was being paid for working for the university.

there was money coming in from the west wood community. the businesses there advertising the daily boone. there was money and they paid us. >> both sport analysts argue that the money for college sports should provide athletes for financial sport. >> as long as there are people in office us and in, you know, beach houses and you know, on the ski slopes up in the cabin for the weekend on their cell phones checking their financial gain as a result of these kids playing sports. >> the average division one athlete on a full scholarship pays almost $3,000 in school related expenses each year. >> current legislation is calling for an additional $200,000 styfon, however, there has been no movement for a solution. before signing with colorado for $2 million a year, mike

mcintyre was a coach for the spartans for three years. >> the cost of division has gone up, the cost of living has gone up. the cost of living factor should be brought into aspect every two or three years they should review it. you have to pay every sport. >> for a player maybe not on a scholarship, on a partial, getting paid to play will be beneficial. >> as bridgel eye points out u. athletes on full scholarships have lest to worry about. >> you just have to play. >> athletes playing football and basketball get full scholarship, while sports like mens and women's baseball are given partial scholarships.

>> full scholarships supposedly cover all school related expenses and are essentially a four year contract. on the other hand, partial scholarships cover a percentage of school related expenses and are renewed year to year at the head coach's discretion. >> so what is fair in the use of student athletes in a billion dollars industry? we will see why sports experts are crying foul. stay with us.

>> welcome back. we have seen how college sports is a billion dollars industry. yet student athletes are not paid as employees even when risking injury and possibly r professional careers, but as anthony banono tells us, not even is compensated equally. >> sports like women's softball abdomen's water polo done so it makes no sense to spread the money equally. >> do you think you should spread your paycheck equally? i done. >> johnny coach would like to see all sports on partial

scholarships. however, coach would like to see equal distribution of both championship series revenues. >> i would love to see every division to be distributed equally. >> the football bowl subdivision is the highest level of college football. universities compete and share their revenues within their conference. but not all conferences in the fcs receive television revenues from ball games that range from eight to $20 million per school. such funds would go a long way toward san jose's $20 million budget. peter is the head coach of the women's softball.

he would like to see distribution of revenues as well. >> there would be more money to get distributed. >> title nine ensures that women's sports are given equal opportunities. some nc25 performance say eliminating sports all together would be the only solution. >> are things so broken we need to scrap all ncaa sports and move all the funding, all the general funding that goes into the athletic department into physical activity programs for students? >> he has been a key adviser in several antitrust lawsuits against the ncaa. >> i'm not in favor of harming fans as a way to solve the problem, given you don't want to get rid of it completely, the next stage would be to see

more of the revenue goes to the players and i think not only is that economically sensible, but also from a sort of philosophical point of view. >> the national college players association supported it. jerry brown signed in september. the bill provides students with sports related medical expenses, saver work out condition. >> funding from the athlete's bill of rights comes from new revenues. it still leaves over 100 schools exposed. >> when we come back, we will sit down with a panel of experts when equal time continues.

>> welcome back to this edition of equal time. our focus is on the paid college athlete. let's meet our guest. >> don teeg, professional football player. >> roger knowles, professor of economics at stanford. >> peter turner, head softball coach. >> john poach.

>> anthony bonano, reporter of this episode. >> thank you gentlemen. there is a goal in the athlete's minds, especially in football. you want to move on and get into the pros an make a lot of money and live happily ever after. >> i don't think it means a lot in the beginning. in the early days, you want to get out there on the field and show your best stuff, date the pretty girls an on the cheer leading squad and go to college and play football. i think it starts to maybe weigh on the minds a little bit later in the college career when you see that is a possibility. i think in the early stages, it's about the love of the game. >> roger, the coaches staffs at san jose, how do they play this issues up in terms of money for

the players? is it is big issue? >> not in my sport. softball. there is no future beyond college, so our emphasis is geting the degree first and playing the game you love. so we play for the love of the game and money is not an issue at all. >> how about you? >> well you know, as far as the way the revenue goes, it is all about the college experience. it goes into the game. whether you are a kid from ohio or a kid from alabama, you are still playing the same amount of games and the same schedule. when you look at revenue distribution, it cannot compare. it is an equal distribution. and then if there are other revenues they don't talk about when using the student athlete outside of the game, then it is a whole different story about taking care of athletes, but they are all the same. you are there for an education.

you are there to contribute to the school and if a revenue comes in. >> we want to make sure our students start with a good foundation. how does this play for an athlete. >> i think the thing to bear in mind is that the articulation of the student athlete is becoming increasingly irrelevant for many universities that take off of the idea of become a pro once you bear in mind that people make it to their senior year, only about one in ten in football, and one in 50 in basketball make it in. so the vast majority ofout student athletes have prospects of making it in professionally. the second half is many of the top universities have

completely sacrificed the academic component. my poster child brags about the fact that he always has a one and done freshman every year. with players who come with the expectations there will be a student for precisely one semester and the rest of the time they are focusing on an nba career. the reason this is happen is not because john is evil. he is not. not because the university administrators are evil. they are not. it's because the amount of money of being a top 20 basketball team or football team is so great that in order systematically and persistently to compete, you have to give up the academics and focus entirely on providing an athletes lettic opportunity for these players. >> that is a little troubling.

what about from the college student perspective? >> as don was saying, you are thinking about the long term. guys like don are hurt and ailing and not really taken care of. i found san jose state acts at the utmost integrity and their students are graduating in 3.5 years. they are strong in academics thanks to katie perry who works with them. but they need to come out with an education, with a degree, and need to if taken care of if they are hurt. >> you have to look at each sport individually. i think the basketball example is an interesting one. football is near and dear to my heart. i look at it is follow the bouncing ball. from an nfl perspective, we know there are tv contracts. we know there are ticket sales that take place and we know as a result of all those dollars,

somehow, there are players getting paid millions of dollars to play football each year. in the ncaa, we also have tv contracts, we have stadiums that hold over 100,000 people. i would think there are similar dollars, except the main players of the game are not being paid. the question i have and i haven't studied this, where is the money going? >> they are getting paid in scholarships and educations. >> i know that is not 100% true. we have the spartan foundation that has to go out and raise money for the scholarships. why should we have to raise additional money if the money from the stands is not going to the kids? do we need more money or is the money not being allocated

correctly? where is the money going? >> there is not an equal distribution of funds. the rich get richer. if you look at the scc, look at the big 12, the television revenue comes up to 16 to 21 million per school. you are talk 900,000, maybe 1.2 million per school. if they want the play the student athletes at that much a year, the question is how can the school, like idaho or san jose state do a distribution? if i'm recruiting you, don, and sanford is recruiting you, and i can give you a full scholarship and they can give you a $200,000 siphon and i cannot ... >> let's start from the bottom

up. i think the athletes, when you talk about football. arguably, the most dangerous sport available on the campus. short term and long term damage to the body. they deserve the right to an education an they deserve the right to protection of their body. what i mean by that is number one, they should be able to come back ... a lot of these kids, you are talk ability some device that may not have gone to college if it were not for football. these are natural born gladiators where if they didn't have a place to exercise, their testosterone might have ended up in a bad place. but football is a good place to exercise that. everybody wants to watch television and see these guys bang into each other, but in record tore do that, we need to take care of the foundational elements. they should be allowed to come back and finish their education. it doesn't cost much to put

another desk in the classroom and let those guys finish school. it's good for the school to be able to put their name next to those guys. when it come to the newspaper, they don't have a problem with that. the other piece is about protecting their bodies. they blow their knee out their junior year, ten years later, they have to have recreationive surgery on the same year. that should still be paid for by the understand constitution. there is enough money to follow the bouncing ball. >> in the women's sports team, the money issue is not that prominent as i is in men's sports. you do a good job of getting a team together. why does money have to be a part of it. >> i don't fully concur with that statement alone. and basically, it's no different than football, but much on the smaller scale. if i don't have a big stadium

or funding, i cannot draw the premier athletes. plain and simple. so i have the same fundamental issues that coach mac has with san jose state. those in the middle and below, the bottom feeders will go away. a good example of that is today, new mexico state has no idea where they are going in football. this will affect all the programs across the road. i don't disagree with your theory about education. when i got gone with pacific, pretty much, they were told, take care of yourself, see you later. with no scholarship money, i couldn't graduate there. they did not pick up the tab and i agree with that theory alone that there ease a fundamental responsibility of the university to educate the athlete. that is my standpoint.

>> that goes back to the professor's statement. i look at them as the exception, not the norm, you look at him, you look at coach mac or turner. i hold a couch accountable as administrator athletics. you bring the kid in and you make sure they graduate. smart players do smart things. there's so surprise sanford is in the rose bowl. so i think it lies on the coach to make sure you graduate in a time frame there to compete. >> talking about the value of education and making sure it's a priority. having said that, there are academics they say, wait a minute,er time you suggest an athlete should be allowed to come back, we don't do that with the other students. they are there the time they need to be there and they have their degrees an go on.

why should the student athletes be different? >> this athlete has a 25 hour a week job at least representing the university that most students don't have. it is unrealistic to expect someone holding that kind of job to have the same degree of academic progress rate as a normal student. i would like to get back to the statements about the integrity. i don't think the issue really is integrity. i think moreover, that the future is going to be one that is extremely difficult for both of you to continue to pursue with the current values you have. and the reason for it is looking into the future with the pack 12 network, the big 10 network, the sec network, they cannot fulfill their program with basketball and football. what do they fill it with?

with women's softball and volleyball. women's softball is a terrific game to watch and it never has expo sure. it is very plausible, we will have the same problems with softball we face in football, all right? that is to say with the gap in money between the handful of top conferences with their own network and that are generating $100 million in some cases per school in revenue. you are not going to be able to compete if you try to be academic because you have strike one which is the revenue gap leading to the facilities gap and a gap in coaching. you are not going to pay $5 million salary to the football coach. but in five years, it could be 10 million. the same thing could happen to the softball coaches. they could become popular on television. so the future may well be one

in which the current academic student athlete model simply doesn't work anymore. because the colleges don't pay the athletes. the rest of them who just have to give up and become division two or three. >> that's a very good point and i don't disagree with a lot of what you said. it's happening now. the big are getting big an the ones in the middle get lost in the shuffle and then you can't compete for various reasons so you have to sell what you have. and the winning and graduating students are a priority as enter else. you talk about revenue strain from softball alone is the highest view of women cease sports. you wonder what people are

going to watch. going into the playoffs, that's the biggest view in female sports. having said that, commercial opportunity and revenue opportunity, people are going to get getter and people will watch. does that mean all sports will? not if they don't watch. if they watch it, they will get bigger. >> it's talk about the money suggested by the ncaa and how that will affect all this. >> they are suggesting $2,000. the ncpa want four or five to cover costs that a full scholarship will not cover. as you pointed out, mr. knowles, computers are not covered. what student can go through school without a computer? that need to be covered. and there needs to be an adjustment at the cost of living t. coach suggested and i totally agree with it. everybody in the bcf needs to

be automatic qualifiers. i would suggest with $3 billion contracts, that money should filter down into the scholarships for the women's softball and the others that are in partial scholarships. the other things i want you to bring up as you research this. eight out of every 1,000 exposers in football result in injuries. contact in practice, one time a week. now college football doesn't do that. that needs to get regulated. >> it has to be addressed. unfortunately, we have run out of time. thank you for being here and we thank you for joining us. come back for another edition of equal time.