>> good evening. i am tavis smiley. the groundbreaking 20 -- he has sold more than 100 million albums. he will turn his attended to writing and producing and eventually recording his own solo album. the latest is called lucky numbers. we are glad you joined us. a conversation as well as a performance from dave stewart, all coming up right now. ♪

>> by contributions to your pbs station, from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ you >> dave stewart is always producing, writing, and performing. he became one of the most acclaimed and best-selling duos in all of you music history. he has been releasing solo projects. his latest was taking

inspiration from blues and country as well as rocks. -- rock. it is called "lucky numbers." we will hear a cut from that played later in the program. you back on the set. have you been good? >> i have een auto -- >> i have been naughty. >> i will come to the music in a second. a birdie told me you are about to start a bank. >> yes. >> and did artists get into banking? >> finance in about four weeks ago so not until then. at the keynote speech. it is a global community bank for creative. looking at the other end of the telescope. everyone is trying to fix the music industry or the downloading of music and combs.

the cat is out of the bag and the whole world has changed. the very beginning process, say you are making a phone and have everything in place, you just in money for the script, you enter into the competition of being at the mercy of huge corporations. they say, we will finance your script. now we owns 96% and the four percent is divided amongst the rest. if you think of a silicon valley people inventing various things, or a farmers bank, in 1910, the farmers got together and said, hang on a minute. i found the community bank.

is about people who understood about their business. for years, practically ever, there has not really been a concentrated effort to understand the business of ip and the creation of ip. you run your own kind of ip little empire with books and tv shows and radio and stuff. it took a long time to get in a position where you could actually do it right. hang on. -- i am tavis smiley and i created all the stuff. >> as soon as the bank doors open, i will be there. can you look back on your career, though, and see a moment when havingtime, those kinds of resources might have made a difference for you? you have done pretty well, but people see your glory but they do not know your story. partner, the joke -- the

cochairman with me, he is the chairman of credit suisse. andhe least and europe before that, he was on the board of deutsche banc. i was telling him the story and he said, that is perfect. you should mention it. when annie and i were absolutely broke and we wanted to make a record, and it was the sweet we had nothing. i said, why do we not see at the he wouldk manager -- think we were crazy. we looks rather strange at the time. [laughter] i put down all things we wanted to buy, which came down to 400 -- 500 pounds. with put all the stuff then we went there, and ice plains, if we had the stuff, why we would not be in so much debt in the future because we would make our own record. he agreed and gave us 5000 pounds.

ago, the 65th birthday, and he and i put millions in the bank and we made sweet dreams, the album. >> that is a rare story. >> it is a rare story, but maybe, with this concept i am printing out in the second quarter of next year, it will not be so rare. >> a rare story but a great story. what did he tell you or what has he told you over the years? that made the difference for him, a banker, to give you those 5000 pounds? between is a disconnect creativity and commerce. i wrote a book on here. for artists to concentrate more than 30 seconds in a meeting about finance is.

-- see the is he doing dueling of their grandmother or whatever. it is hard to understand whether an idea is something that has legs. it is worth investing in. steven spielberg was completely unknown. and saided into a bank he has an idea, an alien with a long finger and he wants to go home. [laughter] tryou know what i mean? picturing the life of pi or avatar or these that went on to the first drawing of graphic novel that became spiderman or whatever. always been a crazy gap between the two world. various things that have been happening, and the internet arriving, i think the see people can actually transparently now a lot of stuff, and they can go find out thingstion about how

work, creators are getting a lot more knowledgeable. necessity, they have to. it is like survival. everybody is like a startup company. i thought myspace would help and various other, and kick her and all of the pledge music. there are always things starting that makes the climate totally right to launch this kind of concept. >> he were not there would i needed you. song about it. you were not there when i needed you. cowritten by tavis smiley. [laughter] andwill thankfully be there have -- for folks who have creative and innovative ideas. >> it is like, i can feel the things you are getting to do. but you were not there when i needed you. >> the? -- see?

[laughter] know, stand, you inside my shoes just to see what a drag it is to see you kind of thing. >> [laughter] this is why i love dave stewart. onwrote a song on the spot television. press we have to finish it off before the book signing. >> ok. if i walk that's before we walk out of the building tonight, we will finish this song for you. the comeback, it might be on your next record. i like how you justify. all jokes aside, i have always been so envious, in a good way, envious of people like you. i feel this way about writers, artists. authorshis way about who write, particularly those who write fiction. how that just happened in front , it is humbling and

mind-boggling. >> on the other hand, you are doing so many interviews with it and people. you have to get all this information before hand and digest it. the thing that you do is kind of improvised nation and on the spot. if you had to do a transcription of all the interviews, you would have company bigger than the mohammed ali book. it is fantastic. the best book ever made. book you talking about, i have one. it is the greatest of all-time. the book is so magic. hereannot even lift it up it is like 700 pounds. the only place in the world they could actually print this, only 10,000 copies made, the only place they could make it is on the vatican kring thing -- printing press. >> and what he says at the beginning, how he would like to be remembered. we digress. >> we love ali.

on happened is, this is not a fault -- false modesty. when i do the conversation, i have you here to do it with me, number one. the conversation is based on your life. i start with something. you just created something out of either. >> i stole it from what you said. >> ok. songs, you are writing songwriting, script writing, stuff like that, it is usually, for me, and a lot of people, based on their own life, like woody allen interpreting things in his own life and putting them into a different context. in some way it is the same, but it can be a real, like, pain. you will be in a bar having a martini and a great time, and somebody says something and you say, that is such a great line. you are suddenly writing down the line. you go home and pocket stuff with a bit of paper and you wake

up and you have written all over your sheets. and it can be a curse. dreamsng like sweet comes from where? class that was interesting because after we met with the bank manager and bought all the equipment we wanted, one thing on the risk -- list was the first drum machine made that could have visuals. black and white with little white lips. the desks writing on lying on the floor. it was like to talk -- top leaves. we did not have much money to rent a big studio. the funny thing was, they kept doing this. the picture frame. when andy was doing her vocals, she would be singing a line. we got it done, but sweet dreams, i had this dream machine and i was trying to make it work. and i was thinking i would do something with a backbeat.

after a while, i was going, that sounds good. and he left up and said, what was that? we got really inspired and andy went on one keyboard and then i got another keyboard. literally, the first words that came out of her mouth was "sweet dreams are made of this. 15 minutes later, it is done. >> i love those stories. one of the biggest hits ever and you did it in 15 minutes because the conditions around you were making noise. >> yes. come fromreat moments mistakes. in science as well. they find, this is working for the cancer patient but it was developed for something else. what the heck. when a matter of realizing to change direction. some people do not realize and they are just going further and further up the hill and great opportunities are coming down past them but they cannot see them. >> that is powerful.

it sounds good to me but how is the solo thing working out for you? >> i love it. i am mad as a hatter. arrived watch her years ago, by default, i was not meant to go there. there was a volcanic eruption. i fell madly in love with the place. record mader sixth in three years. you have my own. but this one, i decided to fly the guys, as an experiment out of nashville, the same players. i flew them to the south pacific and we recorded sailing around on a boat in the south pacific and it was very disorienting. it is -- when the book is going like that, you have to lie down. [laughter] i am a great believer in martinis.

i made sure we all had a voc, and just martini that evening. it seemed to give everybody sea legs. design -- yes.he there you go. days onid this over 12 a boat. >> yes. we did not really work all the time. martinis have a double effect. >> imagine that. >> seasickness. >> james bond always seems to be on his game. >> yes. i've been trying to get to that level. i think perhaps he was drinking water. not many people know how to make the perfect martini. tell on tv and that gives us a good way. >> i would like to. -- y time i go to a bar

>> dave stewart will now tell you to make the correct martini. walk into yourm, bar, this is how he wants it. >> exactly. i do not want to scoop the ice out, the melting ice you have got the low the bar. it is immediately wrong because it has water in it. hard ice from a freezer. i want three olives, however many olives you want, in the glass, and let the olive they soaked for a bit. giving me that horrible taste. then, you put the ice cold vodka in the hard ice with the shaker and you shake it like crazy. sides,t crazy on both doing the whole thing. then, you should see tiny on top of the vodka martini when you let go. you should not see a lot of ice floating around.

do not put the glasses in the freezer first. it comes out and meltwater into your glass. i am serious. [laughter] that is why i am bringing out the machine. class i feed. class george foreman brought out his grill. most people do not have cappuccino machines in their house. martininging out my just like a nice cappuccino machine. hard ice. like that. you put your glass and drop in a couple of hours. home." , i am >> i love talking to you because it is so much fun and i learned stuff or have you always been this irreverent and creative and innovative? was there something that happened that opened all of this up to and for you? >> probably a mixture of things.

my parents told me that i would drive them mad because i would does have 100 things going on. my mother was the washing up at the window doing the dishes or it suddenly, i would throw a nest with three little birds in and say, a three times a day. then she would be left with a birds nest. i was oh is doing something. it is probably in the genes, i think. class i want to go back to this record. you did this in 12 days. tell me about the music itself, the content. class when i am writing songs and recording them, i do not spend years trying to write the songs. i do not sit at a piano looking at the window of rolling misty mountains with a blank piece of paper thinking, "how should i write a on tuesday the world? " on at go in the studio, boat, wherever, and i have an

idea and within 20 minutes, i have it all down. we play it live with a band. correct a fewust of the words and then we are done. that is what we did this album. night, she came on the boat as well, we made an epic video to it, which is basically set in a circus. all of the songs came tumbling out. they are all distillations of moments in my life. i could jump , when i was seven years old, or whatever, and quickly write in a sort of germ gestural form, something about it. i like getting tiny things and making them pay, rather than trying to read about epic things. class i suspect every songwriter could write about his or her life. what is it, for you, that makes your life so interesting, lyrical fodder? class i am a gambler.

adventure. probably doing lots of stuff. it brings in rich content. mention or talk about. i talk about one of the songs. i have been to the whole drug thing, nearly dying when i was younger. klesko's letters are very powerful. class i liked the idea at the end when i came back with a gospel trier -- choir. these great singers, just to give it a spiritual uplift at the end. song, i think it is quite funny. it is called "how to ruin a romance. we were on this tiny little somewhere, and we were writing down ideas for films and this and that and laughing basically. and i said, this will be a good title, "how to ruin a romantic.

class it might be. >> later on, i found the title in my pocket when i was on the boat. straightforward things that happened to me and friends. that obviously messed up a romance. -- before you play that -- >> before you play that come i can do this for hours, it is so much fun to talk to you. the new project from dave stewart done on a boat in 12 days. it is called lucky numbers. the track, he is now about to perform for us is called, "how to ruin a romance. before he does that, thank you for watching. dave, thank you for coming back. glad to have you on here. enjoy. good night. as always, keep the faith. >> thank you. join in the chorus.

class how to ruin a romance. -- >> how to ruin a romance. class go ahead. here we go. -- >> go ahead. here we go. ♪ you have been complaining somebody gets a you -- gets you a long -- blind date. turns out she is an angel but you're too dumb to speak. ♪

♪ your girlfriend is married with three children. ♪ that's how you ruin a romance. it is easy but it is true that is how you ruin a romance and end up singing the blues. class here we go. she is slowly sipping wine. her eyes are sending shivers up and down your spine. a rock 'n roll star if she asked you to play music. later, you are still tuning your guitar. that's how you ruin a romance. it's easy but it is true.

that's how you ruin a romance up with the blues that's how you ruin a romance. but you already knew how to ruin a romance. -- iss ireland it with you guess i ruined it with you ♪ [laughter] [applause] >> thank you, dave. [laughter] for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley on pbs.org. >> join me next time for a conversation with nine time anywhere -- emmy winner about his new series. that is next time.

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