tavis: good evening. from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. tonight first a salute to barbara walters. she is stepping away from her storied career as a broadcaster list some -- journalist this week. she earned her place in history i doing the hard work of journalism while opening the door for so many women to follow. abc news announced they will be renewed -- renaming their headquarters after ms. walters. and friday was declared barbara walters a in new york city. we will turn to eight conversation with maurice hines. " celebraterough life his 40 years as a performer. we are glad you joined us. conversations with arbor walters and maurice hines coming up right now. -- barbara walters and maurice

hines coming up right now. ♪ ♪ >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: i am these to welcome barbara walters to this program. her trailblazing career in journalism and television has included so many high-profile assignments including "the today

show" and some show called "the view." memoir."audition: a let me start by asking, any regrets yet that you did this? >> i said from the beginning that a lot of young people, to me especially young women and say you have had such a career and so forth. i would like to be you and i said then you have to have the whole package and that package has ups and downs and the package, a lot of people thought of me as being very austere and sort of one dimension and they see from this good, bad, or indifferent that there are other dimensions. there are things that are very personal in the book about my family and relationships and also a lot of it i hope that is

historic and that is informative. i did the book and told the truth or what was the point of doing that. i did this interview in that interview. tavis: why the need or the desire, if that is not the right word you unpack it for me, why whatever to tell the story to tell it now and have people see other dimensions of you. you have survived this long, why show the dimensions of you, there is no pressure. >> there is no pressure to do this book and other people have written unauthorized books about me and i never reacted. it was at a particular place in my life. 20" and i wanted to write about my relationship with my sister who was considered mentally retarded or development lead disabled and

her affected my life and my father's ups and downs and it was going to be a real book and i wanted people to be able to relate to it and i thought i had all this time. as it turns out abc came to me year,id four specials a we do not want to lose you and suddenly i was so busy. the publisher said you had to write about the heads of state and suddenlywinsky it was 600 pages. i am a good place in my life. i hope that it will be inspirational, they will help especially young people, both men and women. and that they understand a little bit more about my life and the career. tavis: does it trouble you and you have been in this business so long and so good at it, does it trouble you that when you want to tell a particular story that other parts of the story, to your point of the whole

package overshadows the stuff you did not want to talk about? an interview with me 10 days before. her people put this statement because and african-american man and a white woman. it would have been the end of my career. not only do we have an

african-american running for president, i was trying to say look how things have changed and look at a way it is now. if you take that out you think that it is a kiss and tell book. i was joking with somebody and i said -- let me show you something. when you open the book all of , all of the interviews front and back that i have done. i was joking i said you see everyone thinks that these are all the interviews i have done, thousands of them but they are all the men i have had relationships with. it has been -- your name is not here. i am not cheering that i am saying it is not there. >> i have not interviewed you. my day will come. tavis: let me ask what has been the private cost or the cost to your private life of being such an iconic figure? allle celebrate you and we love to be appreciated for what we do so there has got to be a part of you that loves the fact regarded as iconic

but there is a cost to your private life. >> i do not know if any of us who are in this business especially in the news business were you do not have bodyguards and press agents and you do not feel like this big iconic figure it all. there is a refrain that goes through this book and that is time to balance your life whether you are a man or woman you combine a career and children and what price do you pay. there is one chapter i called the hardest chapter of all to write which is about my daughter who read it and said with this in, it is important. if people know that we could make it after the kind of rebellious, difficult childhood that she had and it was agony for both of us and she said, she is so wonderful now and she runs the wilderness program for

adolescent girls and crisis. i wrote about it because we thought that there are some a parents now who are suffering with their children. it is awfully hard to bring up teenage children. tavis: did you blame yourself for her difficulty? >> what i tried to say now to women and men was you are going to feel guilt but there are no answers. so many have to work. been home more done this more. and then you stay home and the child goes off to college and you say what do i do with the rest of my life? i thought it would be helpful -- it is also my daughter one of the things she said that myoved and i quoted, daughter is adopted and i adore her. at 1.i said do you want to find your biological mother because

she had never asked about it. i said i will help you. we are ok. it will not hurt me. said i havet me and had so much trouble with you, why would i want another one? she said, i said i thought you might. she said what, another christmas card? there are stories that go beyond that one small chapter. tavis: the conclusion that you draw and if my reading of the text is right where women are concerned is that you can have it all but not at one time. >> that is what i think. i talked about two women, katharine hepburn, i never wanted children. and audrey hepburn who gave up her career for her children. and betty davis who writes about the price that she paid. it is easier to have it all now

daysit was in the earlier because men, one hopes, are participating. fathers are much more involved. we also had many more single mothers and single fathers. constant trying to find a balance and i think the constant guilt. guilt is my second name in this book i think. up a fewrk comes times. >> just maybe. journey for this us. i wonder did not ask you what it many like for a woman, so women do not get to feel this in this way. what does it feel like to be a woman who is regarded, abc did not want you to go. networks have fought over you, over your work. what did it feel like to be in your profession at a place where people regard you as a woman in this patriarchal, this reset -- this sexist world. this feels like what?

>> there was a time when abc did not want me. when i came from nbc to do the news and was a failure. my career was i thought over and --re are a lot of people who feel that they are a failure. it has not always been wonderful. write they i could book and talk about myself with such frankness. if indeed i made a little difference for women and there are so many women behind the cameras, that is a great feeling for me. to know that something in your life has made a difference. it is not all just being on camera. when you work for a news department you are not catered to. you do not have the bodyguards in the press agents and the managers. i still worked very hard. because i am in a very good maybe bemy life, i can

honest and for the first time enjoy my life. i worked three hard and i talked about this with oprah. let's enjoy it. that is the way i feel. otherwise they could not have done this. tavis: was it worth traveling all that terrain to enjoy it? >> you just do it. my father who was in show business and was very famous, lost everything. my mother, myrt father, my sister who was my responsibility and my daughter. i had to work. so who had time to think, was it worth it? i did not have time to make those decisions or have those kinds of philosophical discussions with myself. tavis: let me offer this as an exit question. list theking at a

other day. we are submitting our five years on pbs. th show coming00 up. we were looking at a list of clips that we think we are going to include on our 1000th anniversary show. i am looking at these lips for that show and i have your book off to the edge of my desk and glancing over at i am thinking, how in the world would or were walters choose what goes on her career highlight reel? just indulge me. if there are three things that could not be excluded from your highlight reel, what might they be? i know there is so much to choose from that you would have to have in your highlight reel. >> the interviews i thought were historic. the interview between anwar sadat and menachem begin. say anwar sadat because

he changed history and i was a small part of that. in my whole life, my syister. my relationship with her and the fact that people made fun of her and made fun of me and the love i felt for her but also the resentment which a lot of people understand. one of the greatest influences in my life, that would to be at. and my daughter. tavis: barbara walters. her new book, "audition." we are glad to have her on the program. thank you. put on a pair of tap shoes on the dash at the tender age of five and learn to dance. he would go home and teach his younger brother gregory everything he learned. a solo artist these days, he

pays tribute to many of the performers he worked with including his other who died in thousand three in a new show called "tappin' through life." covering 40 years of exceptional artistry and introducing a new generation of tap dancers. look at scenes from the show. >> can't you see. ♪ ♪ tavis: just like you to

introduce some new tappers. >> yes. got to keep the youth together. they make me feel younger. when you dance with them am a they really do. they give you that energy and that positivity and the kind of cap that we do which is rhythm cap which -- tap. tap which isof just spectacular. they are phenomenal. i saw him ones, leo, and he had hurt his ankle doing saw my forever free. -- my choreography. he said we can tap. will tell you. they tapped unbelievable. they do everything, jazz, ballet, everything. i had discovered sabian glover.

my brother, god rest his soul, he said one day you will find a dancer that you like and when i found him i saw gregory smiling at me. i told you. i said you were right. right? what made savian >> gregory never wanted to do anything but tap. am the wrong one for you. it was frustrating me. gregory was the right one because that is all he wanted to do ever. that is why i was the wrong one. walked in my dressing room right now i could prove this to you so you know i am not lying. the best ofi got there isndross, and -- nothing better. luther together.

>> we both learned how to sing. our parents did not have money for singing lessons during those times. my mother said ok, here's what you do. you listen to two singers, nat king cole and johnny mathis. that is who we listen to. that is how we learn to sing. when icing on the stage i style was closer to nat's. i idolized him. when people say your phrasing is because oft is nagging cold. in the show i paid tribute to lena horn who is to me the ultimate. and hersaw lena nad music, that is the most perfect. how she handled the mike in how she walked to the mic. all the things you think you know, you see that beyond anything. and then johnny mathis. the voices exceptional and still is. we learned from the great people. my father originally said when

you are around those people you're working with judy garland, ella fitzgerald, you got nothing to say. what do you have to say question mark you sit there and listen. when people them up to me, i was just in atlanta. you are fabulous, yes i am. because i listened to them. lena and peopled that we knew, the kids think they knew everything right away. gregory and i never did. tavis: and entitled to everything. >> that is a big one. they came entitled. who directed a great show, that is what he feels they all feel. when he was in "dream girls" -- i laughed. when gregory had a television series, he said this is so easy. all they do is complain about how hard they're working. shows the clubs five

night and no day off. when people start complaining i am looking at them, what? you had better be grateful you're here. tavis: two quick thoughts. it is harder to find anyone better as you said that ,hraseology, diction enunciation. johnny mathis and that king. >> the ultimate. never those guys have saying a word that you did not understand what they were saying. it is so clear. and so melodic. >> those singers were like that. diction and certainly phrasing. i invited johnny mathis to come see me. tavis: you never met him? >> i never did but i want to thank him. tavis: it is hard to imagine that you have not met johnny mathis. a couple of weeks i was honored to get my hollywood -- a star on the hollywood walk of fame. part of the story was i was excited to get it. everyone was there, great ceremony.

i did not realize until everything was over, my mother was here and she wanted to walk back outside and everything died down and i eased back outside where they had taken all the stuff down. the stage was gone and everything. people getting walked -- walking up and down. i am getting walked on. i looked down and i look to the left and i about had a heart attack. you know who is to the left of me lena horne. i said, this is ridiculous. i got no business being in the vicinity/ . >> that is a wonderful story. there she is. tavis: it humbled me. >> you talk about your brother all the time. my show is evolved into a love letter to my mother. he you -- she had the vision for her son.

i sang a song at the end of the show and my father went along for the right. she had the vision and icing to her picture -- i sing to her picture. it was emotional, it is a very emotional show but it keeps my family with me because they are altogether. i am not lonely anymore. i was lonely without them for a long time. you still miss gregory every day. >> every day. especially now. i would call him up and say guess what happened. him and i see it on the show. i miss my brother and i have pictures of us dancing. a wonderful show. you got to see it. tavis: that is a new facility. it. went in there to see so perfect for show. there is not a bad seat in the house and there is 500 seats and

the audience is close to me. i go down in there. to you. i am coming for you. tavis: i will wave. >> you got a star on the walk of fame next to lena horne. you are a celebrity. tavis: i will sit way in the back. >> i am coming for you. tavis: it is gorgeous from the outside. >> i did not know what it would look like. they kept all that marble. tavis: can i tell your age because you do not look at. -- it. >> i am 70. tavis: where do you get all this energy? o> they have -- i have n negativity. all the people around me are like that. i am a choreographer, i am a dancer. when you are a dancer, it is

heaven. payne and lifeda story of ella fitzgerald. key.s singing in ella's she started as a jazz singer. when i directed is different because they have to have motivation. and seeing, what is the step -- dancing, what is the step? i can't wait to get on that stage. once i saw the theater and i got all these women the hind me, they are playing. nine. they are playing like they are 15. they make me sing. every show is different. got a littles laryngitis, that does not matter. the audience matters. gregory used to say i do not that,o worry about maurice gets the audience.

i can be funny. i am like that. i am here in town. tavis: and he is here in town. ' "tappin'e hines through life" is playing. i am going to see it. have a great run and welcome to los angeles. the rate to see you. -- great to see you. for watching and as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with mel brooks. arguably one of the funniest men alive. that is next time. we will see you then.

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