people at work, there might be more engineers. >> paul makes this argument all the time. i think it is complicated. if you talk to catherine in cupertino, she'll tell you the valley is filled with middle aged folks of high skill, and they're not being able to get a job. not because they don't have the skills, but because there is ageism, because folks are going to hire people who are younger. so i don't think it is just the skill shortage. we need policies that are going to have tax credits for companies to have apprenticeship programs, to hire those who are middle aged workers who have great skills, to bring veterans back to work. >> i would love to have a longer conversation but my time is up. >> congressman honda, next question for you. you served the people in this area for decades in various capacities. some people do fear that you might be burnt out. how do you address the concerns and to those people? >> i'm not burnt out. and i've got a lot of gas in this tank. and so i'm not even a hybrid.

and i think that the kinds of energy that i use to -- comes from a very deep seeded desire to make sure that this country does the right thing. i mentioned that in 42 our government had gone awry, had made mistakes. and i don't want to see that happen again to any group. and it has been one of my desires to make sure that youngsters get the voice that they need, and as a teacher i want to be able to do that, to teach youngsters to speak up, to be critical consumers of goods by thinking straight and thinking critically, be able to get a powerful education so they can choose their options in the future. i don't say to youngsters, get education for a job. get an education so you have greater options in your career and your life.

so the energy that really i dip into is from the people that i look at and the people that i want to help and also not everyone to see the community set aside and have a constitutional guarantee set aside solely because they look different or they look like the enemy. that will never happen in my watch. >> mr. khanna, your response. >> i don't think the congressman is burnt out. and, you know, anyone has to admire his life story. and to dedicate his life to politics, public service, after what he did, went through, i think it is admirable. this question is about what we need in the future. and my argument, the reason i decided to run and acknowledging that the congressman is open many doors for asian-americans around the country, it is who is going to solve the issues for this district and leave at this

moment in time in a complex economy. and my belief in a republican controlled congress we need someone who will be able to influence that debate, mercury news said the congressman is no longer relevant in influencing that debate. the earmark system he relied on is no longer there. and this is what great democracies are about, that someone carries the ball and then they hand it off. and someone else goes and carries the ball and that's what makes the country move forward. >> thank you. our next question goes to ryan grim, our lead panelist from the huffington post. >> mr. khanna, much of congress agrees that the corporate tax code needs to be reformed. you and others have suggested that lowering the overall rate but at the same time closing loopholes to simplify the code while raising the same amount of revenue. many argue corporations are gaming the system and paying nowhere near their fair share, often close to zero percent. wouldn't tax reform that kept revenue levels the same be like solving the problem of bank

robbery by simply legalizing it? or should corporate tax reform raise additional revenue so big companies are paying more than they do today? >> it should raise additional revenue. the reason for corporate tax reform isn't just a revenue issue, it is a competitiveness issue. the problem now is you have the special interests on these tax codes where some companies are paying zero%, some companies are being incentivized to go off shore, and small businesses or entrepreneurs who want to set up shop here, the tax code is actually penalizing them. this is not just in a matter of understanding the economics. there are plenty of smart economists and why does it get done? not because there are not enough smart people in washington. the reason is because they're all bought and sold by lobbyi lobbyists. that's the reality. they're bought and sold by corporate tax, by lobbyists who write these exemptions into the tax code, and that's why i said i wanted to try something different. i was inspired by larry less ig

who i did research for and i took a pledge when i started this campaign. i would not take a single dollar from a lobbyist, not a single dollar from a -- my campaign chair was in d.c. why do you want the job? you're not going to be very popular. you'll want to come back when they get there. the reality is you got to try something different. people say, you're going to be naive -- it is time we get the special interest out. silicon valley needs to take the stand and that's the only way we get meaningful corporate tax reform. >> congressman honda, the stage is yours. >> corporate tax reform is a necessity. it has be to be comprehensive. it has to be fair. it has to be understandable. and it is about acquiring and gathering more revenue for the federal government so that we can support the kinds of obligations that we have in this country. i think that what we say we want

this reform, this taxes have to be returned and shared from overseas with our folks and be able to be part of a larger picture where we can apply these kinds of revenues to national infrastructure, to make sure that people are getting a fair living wage and make sure that the middle class becomes more vibrant and we take care of them. i'm not saying that corporate leaders and shareholders should not get rich. i just think that they don't have to get rich that quickly and not share it with those who create the wealth. that's fair. >> we are in the silicon valley and partnering also with facebook. we have gotten a few questions from facebook in regards to the debate. this one will go to congressman honda and we want to appreciate and thank everyone at facebook on our site for submitting hundreds of questions. we picked this one from derrick lynn for congressman honda. what is your stand on the recent demonstrations taking place in

hong kong? >> i think that it is a phenomenon that was coming all along because the people of hong kong had lived under a british rule that said that you make your own decisions and it is more of a democracy and when it became be absorbed into prc, within a matter of time before these kind of thins starts to mix and start to rise above to the surface, i think it has. i think that the united states has a role in facilitating with hong kong, with the youngsters there and with the people of hong kong and their government leaders and along with prc too to sort of facilitate this progress towards more democratic society. it doesn't have to be the same kind that we have, but certainly

the people in that part of the world want to have more self-determination. they want to have to be able to live a life that is not intrusive, less oversight, less government restrictions. and we on the other hand, we have the same kinds of issues too. so we should be able to feel some compassion, some understanding that there is young people, shrugging their shoulders and saying we can do better and we want more. >> and do you believe the people's republic of china will -- >> they moved a long ways and since the revolution they have -- we have seen china become our partners as well as folks that we have to keep an eye on. but, you know, our attitudes have gone a long ways with china. >> mr. khanna, your response to the facebook question regarding your thoughts about what is happening in hong kong? >> i'm very sympathetic to the

demonstrators or marching for peace, for human rights, for democracy. my values actually, while i'm very proud of the entrepreneurs and all supporting me, my values come from my grandfather. he spent four years in jail during gandhi's independence movement, fighting for human rights and freedom and one of the remarkable things about our district is we have got people from around the world, from india and pakistan and china and vietnam, philippines and we have the shot, the shape from this district, a world that is not going to make the mistakes of the 20th century, not be bogged down in the cold war thinking or communism versus democracy, but to stand up for human rights, to stand up for democracy promotion, it stand up for more integrative world. that's why leadership from this district is perhaps the most important district in the entire country. >> thank you. for our panelists we have just a few more questions here.

so we will jump around just to get to some topics that i want address before time expires. we'll bring in thuy vu regarding the recent decision in education -- >> for -- >> for mr. khanna. >> mr. khanna, the landmark regard decision denounced the state's tenure and teacher layoffs system as a violation of students' constitutional rights. the ruling is having a ripple effect nationwide. do you think current tenure and layoff policies protect bad teachers and what would you do to address that? >> this is where we have an honest disagreement, congressman honda and i. i supported the vergara decision, the congressman took to writing an op-ed in the hill saying it put students at war with teachers. my view on this is let's tone down the rhetoric. my mom was a substitute schoolteacher. i love and respect teachers. i teach. not a teacher, i teach at santa

clara and stanford. i talked to so many teachers in this district, probably watching and teaching in fremont, and we need to bring the stake holders to the table. here is what i would do. first, respect teachers more. in other churs, teachers are treated with extraordinary respect. second, pay teachers more. there is no reason that lawyers or doctors or others should be making more money than a great teacher. third, require basic credentialing in the subject matter. require someone teaching calculus to actually understand or have a masters degree in calcul calculus. and then fourth, have some accountability. and people say, you can't evaluate teachers and you can, on test scores, but a comprehensive evaluation makes sense. the good teachers want it because the good teachers don't want ineffective teachers in the classroom, just like politicians don't want bad politicians because that gives every politician a bad name.

let's work in a collaborative fashion to do what is right by students and take the politics out of this. >> congressman honda, your opportunity to respondent and as you know, the teachers union was against this. what is your response to the question? >> well, the fact is that the supreme court said there is five sections that prohibits due process for teachers in terms of assessment, retention, and evaluation. and those are the important things that teachers really want. they want a good assessment and retention process so that teachers who need to leave or find another job can do that. this is not a war against students and teachers. this is a tweaking of ed co that needed to be tweaked a long time ago. this is an opportunity for us to compose a straightforward ed co

that will allow due process with teachers and afford good instructors for our kids. this is an opportunity. i think we should take that. >> our last question of the evening for the question for us comes from melinda jackson from san jose state for congressman honda and, melissa, you want to do the approval of congress if you don't mind. >> congressman honda, a recent field poll found that 75% of california voters disapproved 6 the job congress is doing. why do you think the public holds such a dim view of congress right now and why would you want to be re-elected to such an unpopular group. also, if re-elected, what would you do to try to improve the public trust and confidence in congress? >> 75% are judging their -- the sense because of the word congress. if we were able to desegregate the word congress into different parties and how people voted, so that they understand that one word doesn't paint each and

every congress person with the same brush, i think their feelings would be different because when they say how you to like your current congress person, that's a different story. i think the way we report things has to be a little bit more desegregated. i don't take a dim view of congress. i think congress is a wonderful opportunity, especially for me. it is the job that i can thank all my experiences, and put it right into policymaking where i can see gaps on policy and -- anticipate needs and fill that and work with people to make sure that the policies that we have in this country, 100% focused, and they're really accurate and that they hit the points we need to hit. what would i do when i go back to make a difference i think that it was a town hall meeting, you know, in silicon valley, the

word reinvent, i reinvented myself from a town hall meeting, i had had over five town hall meetings, thousands of people at once, and at the end of the hour, we end up with three to 600 people. that's a good way to connect with people and be present with them, with using technology. >> mr. khanna, your response, the dim view of congress was the initial question. >> i appreciate that, professor jackson. the question when i knocked on 5,000 doors and i don't think that takes the place of facebook or electronic communications i get asked is not why am i better than congressman honda, it is why do i want the job? and the reality is congressman honda started his career, i think with the greatest of intentions. but he's become a part of the problem. in the frustration, people want 50, 100 new members of congress, they want to hit reset because they want folks who are, a, going to be effective, not just

going to pass one bill in 14 years of naming a post office and will actually get republican co-sponsors when they introduce legislation. they want someone who will work as hard as they are. not going to -- for me, getting to congress is an extraordinary privilege. they want someone who will be answerable every month to real life questions, tough questions, that's how the congressman was when he started. that's how i'll be from day one when i get there. >> congressman honda, and mr. khanna, thank you for your thoughtful responses this evening. as we come to a close, this is your final opportunity for your closing remarks and we'll begin your closing statements, two minutes for each of you. we'll begin with mr. khanna. >> well, thank you, raj. thank you to the panelists, thank you to congressman honda for participating. when i grew up as a son of immigrants, went to public school, my parents told me that if i worked hard, made good

grades, i would have a job, i have great opportunities. and in this campaign, one of the things i'm proud of is i've gone to almost every high school in the district. monte vista, milpitas, irvington and i ask kids, i ask them, are you concerned about getting a job when you graduate? you know what? 80% of kids raise their hands. for the first time in our country's history, there is a question, is the american dream going to be alive for the next generation? and at this time unfortunately we have a washington politics that seems so disconnected. a congress that is broken. despite the low pool ratings, the economists had an article that said the turnover rate in the united states congress is less than european monarchy families. we saw the revolution over this.

these things weren't supposed to be lifetime estates. thomas jefferson said members of congress ought to return to their communities and live under the laws they passed. tonight, i ask not just for your vote, i ask you to join our campaign for change. we want to invigorate our politics with new ideas, new vision. we want to bring something different because we have gotten so far astray from our founding ideals. i want to work, to help make the american dream possible for the next generation. the dream that inspired my parents to immigrate to this country in the 1960s. thank you. >> congressman honda, two minutes for your closing statements. >> thank you very much. i want to thank you, raj, the panelists. i want to thank nbc. and our audience here and the viewership. i want to thank them for tuning in on to us, rather than monday

night football. and i think that i would like to leave this impression that my history and my experience is the pattern of the way i work, think and behave. in 1942, i said before, my government, our government turned our backs on us. there was nobody that stood up and said no when they took away our constitutional rights. there was nobody that stood up and said this is wrong. under my watch, this will never happen. i will always speak up for those who need that voice. that passion was developed as i was growing up. and that drove me to look at serving my country through peace corps and i learned another language, learned another culture, i also learned about myself. i learned that the things that i experience i can turn that into a positive energy where youngsters can benefit from my insights so that they don't have

to go through the same kind of things i've gone through. and so i want our youngsters to be able to be critical thinkers, to be passionate about the constitutional rights and be knowledgeable about what they can do and speak up so as a teacher, and administrator of over 20 years, that's the direction i went until i hit the direct politics, elected politics and there i took all the experience and turned that into policymaking where the policies that we have will generate that kind of behavior as a nation, as a community, and as a city, as a county. and i think that that's the important thing that i want to be able to share with people out there. direct politics has been impacting me and i would be very, very humble and appreciative of your vote and your support. >> mr. khanna, congressman honda, i speak for a lot of people here in the studio and watching wherever they might be watching, but regardless of the

outcome of the election, we appreciate your public service. thank you. i know we have asked our audience to hold their applause throughout this whole debate which has done a great job. it is a good opportunity for them to thank -- [ applause ] and thanks for those of you watching at home or online or even listening on the radio, we hope to see you at polls on election day, november 4th or at the post office before mailing in your ballots there. for our entire panel and everyone here at nbc bay area, i'm raj mathai. coverage continues after this break with our political analyst larry gerston.

steves: for a breezy escape from the big-city noise and intensity, head for the borghese gardens -- rome's central park. romans are proud of their generous green spaces. this sprawling park has long offered people here a place to relax, unwind, and let the kids run wild. the park's centerpiece is the borghese gallery. once a cardinal's lavish mansion, today it welcomes the public. as is the case with many of europe's top sights, admission requires a reservation. getting one is easy. just a quick phone call or visit the website, and you get an entry time. good guidebooks have all the details. the wealthy borghese family

filled their 17th-century villa with art. this was the age when the rich and powerful not only collected beautiful art, but actually employed leading artists to spiff up their homes. cardinal borghese was the pope's nephew and one of the wealthiest people in rome. with unlimited money, his palace dazzled with both fine art of the past, such as raphael's exquisideposition, and with the best art of the day. each room has a masterpiece at its center, like this intriguing look at napoleon's sister, pauline, by canova. the polished marble is lifelike, even sensuous. bernini's david is textbook baroque. bursting with life, david's body, wound like a spring, and lips pursed as he prepares to slay the giant, shows the determination of the age.

bernini was just 25 when he sculpted this, and the face of davis his. caravaggio tackled the same topic on canvas. grabbing an opportunity to shock his viewers, the artist caravaggio also sneaks in a self-portrait -- this time as the head of goliath. in keeping with the baroque age, berninirape of persephone packs an emotional punch. persephone's entire body seems to scream for help as pluto drags his catch into the underworld. his three-headed dog howls triumphantly. bernini's apollo chasing daphne is a highlight. apollo, happily wounded by cupid's arrow, chases daphne, who's saved by turning into a tree.

in typical baroque style, bernini captures the instant when, just as apollo is about to catch daphne, her fingers turn to leaves. her toes sprout roots. and apollo is in for one rude surprise. this statue, as much air as stone, makes a supernatural event seem real. this classical scene, while plenty fleshy, comes with a church-pleasing moral. chasing earthly pleasures leads only to frustration.

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