i believe that gun education would really premote a culture of safety and understanding of fire arms we'll take a look at one man's life changing experience with gun violence and how we can educate ourselves about the potential dangers on this edition of equal time we'll take a look at one man's life changing experience with gun violence and how we can educate ourselves about the potential dangers on this edition of equal time what happens when guns fall into the wrong hands and end up in the streets? rebecca lapena introduces us to a

manwho grew up around violence and how he had his wake up call when it was almost to late gun violence is not foreign to seaside high school football coach... alfred avila. guns can fall into the wrong hands and end up on the streets firearms have injured several of avila s friends and family members. it made me want to have a gun when i was younger because i was brought up in violence. so i knew violence, so that s what i wanted to have, but i was scared because of my dad if he found out i had one, or else i would ve probably vila family has a reputation of not being the people you want to mess with. as a young man, avila had to live up to that expectation. i had a situation where my sister, one time had my uncle s gun, and they were playing with it and it was loaded had she pulled it, one of them would ve ended up dead they were nine years old at the time so i just have a big thing about guns. my first time, when i was fourteen years old i had a man put a gun into my chest and that was real scary i started running and when i ran everyone was screaming

all i can remember is thinking, gonna shoot? is he gonna shoot? and i just kept running now as a high school football coach...avila sets an example for his players. he uses football as method to keep his students busy and off the streets away from trouble. is motto is, family forever which shows his students that he is someone they can talk to if they need a mentor. he's been here as a student and s a teacher. he's someone that a t of us can trust and he's very easy to come up to and talk to because he's so approachable." ow teachers here at seaside high school say avila's influence is felt throughout the campus and community. an area where guns are common. and families are torn apart by violence "i can relate to coach av's gun altercation because when i was a teenager in high school here at seaside high school, i had a gun pulled on myself very frightening, life flashes before your eyes i can definitely relate to his

avila does not want to see anymore f his friends or family members involved with gun violence always said, 'if you have a gun e going to have to use it. i am st guns. i don t like them in my se. i don t like them around me. on t like to see them. i ve seen too many of them when we come back we'll look at ways that gun education positively affect the community showing san jose residents where and when it is safe to use a fire arm welcome back we've seen how guns have a negative effect on the of people. rebecca lapena shows shows us how gun education is being adovocated in san jose through safety and control

ose state university is an anti gun campus.... absolutely no guns allowed. according to the student conduct code the possesion or misuse of firearms or ammunition can result in disciplinary action. the university police department is the only authorized personnel to carry a gun on school grounds on a campus that's anti-gun how well informed are students about uns, their safety protocols, and their potential dangers wo years ago, sjsu used to have firearm social club on campus. the club s goal was to teach students how to safely use firearms in the correct way. the club also ad field trips to local shooting ranges to gain hands on experienc the firearm social club has been inactive since 2013 leaving a void in gun safety education according to some observers. so if we're able to educate a collegiate body about what guns are about, how to use them, and all the things that are very scary about them. most people who are educated end up enjoying firearms

although sjsu does not currently offer classes on gun safety san jose has more than seven indoor and outdoor shooting ranges. people can learn how to correctly hold, load, and operate a gun under although sjsu does not currently offer classes on gun safety san jose has more than seven indoor and outdoor shooting ranges. people can learn how to correctly hold, load, and operate a gun under majority of students don t know how to use it, so it would be nice to play safe and know your basics l like having a class to inform people could be beneficial, even though i still think gun laws should be more strict reed s indoor shooting range is a popular spot known for its wide selection of gun rentals. the range allows newcomers to have an experienced friend guide them through the basics. customers learn how to manually load a magazine, cock back the gun, turn the safety on and off , aim, and shoot. reed s also offer s defense training taught by a certified gun instructor. the hope is... that no student will ever have to use the lessons taught here.

welcome back to this edition of equal time today we are going to talk about gun restrictions in our society

let's meet our guest i'm alexis markou and i am justice studies major here at san jose state university my name is lutex patague and i am a mother of three young children my name is michael barnes and i'm a poice officer at san jose state unversity police department my name is joe green i'm a correctional offcer for the state of california my name is rebecca lapena and i'm the student correstpondent rebecca i thank you and all of you for bringing this story back to the table for discussion in our society we still haven't gotten a handle on how we look at our second ammendment rights to bear arms should we shouldn't we should we be trained should we not i'm goona start with the mother here next to me what are your thoughts about this well in terms of training believe that it wouldn't hurt so it wouldn't hurt if just to educate people on it the dangers of it about how it could potentially hurt somebody so education is always a key for anything i think for my children i would always want them to know to be in a know to know exactly how to do things and

i think it's important and that everyone does do some sort of training you know even if it's just the basics its important having said that are you advocating that people should have a gun yes oh no i'm sorry not advocating people should have a gun excuse me definitely not that i think it's more about education it's not necessary i'm not giving permission to my children to have a gun it's more of a you know you not know how to use it and if you choose later on to you now have the basic knowledge to protect yourself as well as not hurt anybody else around you but it is poosible to live your life without having a gun and many people do it do it very successfully do it their entire life never fire one or own a gun so joe what's your thoughts about this you know when you go to purchase a gun myself included as a correctional officer i still have to go to the ten day wait period so i don't get through any of the loopholes or anything but i still have to go through the waite process they don't make you do any training or education on it but i feel like if you're gonna own a gun getting some education on

the basic principles of firearms how it works it's an essential part of owning a firearm does it trouble you that young people have a lot to learn in life and school and whatever why should a gun be on the list of learrning because it's a lethal thing you know if you mishandle it if you don't know how to work it even if you're intending to it could backfire something could go wrong it could injure yourself or other people so he's thiking safety what are you talking what are you thinking about this i agree with him as well you need education in order to obtain a gun because i know for when you buy a hand gun you do have to participate in certification you have to get a license for it but for shotguns any eighteen year o can just go buy a shotgun an wihout any knowledge of how to use it and they can just go to the shooting range but i feel like in order to be able to use that you should have some prior knowlege to it alright we've been talking about responsible use of guns

officer talk with me now about irresponsible use of guns we in our society and around our campus all around our world how is that not getting across to people that everybody shouldn't have a gun well that's a tough debate but the bottom line is the guns are out there they're out there and they're available to our kids so the more that we can as officers corectional officers and any other law enforcement you see can get the guns off the street the better of we're gonna be as far as non criminals and people that are allowed to have guns i agree with everybody else and i think it's pretty across the board the more educated you can be the better trained you can be with a gun and the safe care of a gun and the storage of a gun the better off we're all gonna be now the people watching would probably say everythin sounds smart here but the reality is there's tons of people out there in the world that havee guns that shouldn't have gunss that shouldn't be out there with gangs or community groups that are

not necessarily designed to duck hunt or deer hunt they're thinking about doing other things i think part of your research have been into that how people are using guns yeah one thing i've been thinking about is are we trying to focus on limiting the access of guns to the police or are we really trying to focus on educating everyone so i feel like if we do take ay the access of guns to people who use it for leisure will be affected by that responsible users will be affected negatively by that when they have done nothing wrong except be responsible and now their rights are getting taken away and mom here mentioned that you start by telling your children a responsible message about learning how to use a gun properly my parents did that as well but i worry about the ones that just learn about it in the streets or in school i think we all do how do we get a message to them if they don't really go to social media to find out about how to use a gun how do we get the word out joe don't know that's a difficult topic on how to instruct people on how to use a firearm

i think it's all will power in you what to purchase a weapon then you need to make the bigger step and go through and educate yourself befor purchasing it because if you purchase and just go to the shooting range no big deal you go to the shooting range and you don't point it down range you don't know how to handle it at the range you can hurt someone they're just as much as yourself and how often is it that you think rebecca people look at the news stories about the home invasions and guns and violence and gangs and all that and the reaction is i better get a gun i better protect myself i need to secure myself are you hearing that from people? i am i think there's a reall thin line between positive gun exposure and negative gun exposure a lot of times when we see guns exposure on tv it's because there was a crime a burgulary there was a shooting we don't really talk about positive gun exposure and there are ways that there are positive gun exposure

people go to the shooting range for leisure and the time or people grow up with guns in their house having it be responsible it doesn't alway need to be negative but in our media we seem to emphasize on negative gun exposure we have a justice studies expert right over here let's ask her how do we get a responsible message about guns to young people to young people i would say by educating them in a sense to where they should know the consequences if they use a gun properly or like it could have potential it's lethal yeah just getting timm to know you can't apply that into a high school like sex education because parents are gonna be like i don't want my kid to be knowning about guns so it's it's kinda like up in the air alright and if we get the message to young people and they understand how to use a gun properly do we want guns on campus no why not we're teaching them how to use them properly

well i can only speak for the school and they set the rule is that they're is no guns on our campus why do you think that is the school believes that it's safer that we don't have any guns on campus with the exception of police officers okay and as faculty member for two decades i'm glad you have that policy most of us don't want to come to a campus environment and be worried about you packing a gun or you packing a gun but mom if we planted the thought responsible use of the gun means if she has one in her purse and she has the legal right to carry it and and the things she should've done why am i worried should i be worried as a faculty memeber i yes i think we should be worried because there is also other factors such as human error it's not necessarily me which owning the gun not knowing how to use it but it's also other people around me so that's always been on my part i've always been afraid of the human error itself so having guns in my own home i would never allow it that in itself is another risk that i don't want to take at home

i think i'm more afraid of my children's curosity as well as other people's curosity about the gun than i am of not protecting myself so that's my whoe thing i believe that it should now it should start with education and although we allow just like she said we allow sex education in the home we're not giving permission to our children to go out and do it it's more about these are the dangers this is what you should do to be redponsible and how you should act on it also but vesus sex education where it's a private decision by an individual that doesn't necessarily concern me if she or he the student is carrying a gun trained or not trained that's a potential danger to me if i'm on campus or in the workplace or whatever i worry about the irresponsible person who sees it and says hey can i see that let me try that

the next think you know you have a problem definitely i think that right there goes back to the basics of education so if we're are educated on it and how are rules on there too on top of education but the rules we don't want to go in and then take someone's gun and we would have that no one would try to do that it's make of education factor i know i've been saying that quite a bit but it's about educating those around us and the responsibility with the actual handgun just thing about gun education i think that's just step one if they're gonna have a gun where i grew up a lot of young people had guns and i was trained on it at a very young age and also educated on when i was allowed to be around guns and when i was not and fortunate for me my family was very pro gun and pro safety so there was not a lot of concern and when we did go out and use the guns it was always under supervision and

great training and just for general purposes anyone in the audience watching where could they go to learn how to use a gun properly just about and firearms store is gonna have all sorts of information and online obviously but any place you can buy a gun they're gonna have information for you to train and shooting ranges will set up trainings there too when you're dealing with people who are novices they've never touched a gun but they feel the need then they should have a very well trained professional to teach them i believe but when you go to a shooting range it's not only your safety to worry about but it's other peoples safety so if you have other senior people at the firing range that go there often work their firearms safely and professionaly and you have someone there that doesn't know what they're doing they'll step in and instruct them because it's also for their safety now the thing you guys are talking about at the school bringing firearems to school i believe if you're trained and you have the right paperwork on concealed carry you can use that to

firearems to school i believe if you're trained and you have the right paperwork on concealed carry you can use that to protect yourself also if someone comes in say the aurora shootings in the movie theaters or sandy hook say a teacher had a conceale and carry weapon they could've put that to a stop before it got out of hands it could've been stopped quicker if they had a gun legal right to carry a gun at the theater or campus or whatever and they want to stop an action from taking place that they think is inapproporiate they should be able to raise their gun and use it if you think that you're gonna be able to stop a threat to imediate life then i think you should be able to use it interesting how do you feel about that i don't know i just to me it's like how do you even make that decision for me personally i have three children but i also work with children i work as a physical education teacher

even if i have a gun which wouldn't to be able to make that decision without any proper training or education or and of that that's just life changing for me for anybody right especially for a teacher that's not even their profession as a teacher you're there to eduate children and make sure that they're safe and to have a gun i just wouldn't even see myself using it in any kind of situation where there there be a shooter on campus or in my own home just the actual thought the process that it would take to pull the trigger is so much more deep than the actual doing alright so we've moved from gun restrictions by university or government agency on whether you can have a gun or not to personal responisiblity and self

restriction self imposed restrictions what have you been hearing about people having that option and having their own self imposed restrictions i feel like a lot of people nowadays do want guns just because there's a lot controversy going on and people want to be protected but i think that we should have stricter laws on who we give guns to i know there's a lot of laws where you obviously can't get a gun if you're mentaly ill or if you were a excon if you've commited a misdemeanor i just think those things need to be more public a lot of people don't know about those or for people who want to go to a gun show and try to get through loopholes where they think they might not do a background check on guns i think we need to get stricter on who we sell guns to alright and then if we have guns in our pockets we've been trained we have the legal right to carry it i'm stll concerned as a faculty member if she's packing a gun in my classroom and i know about it don't necessarily want to be in that classroom. for a concealed carry you have to go through

more traiining on how to carry it what is does you have to actually go to the firing range and fire it profienctly then yes get the concealed carry license you can't just go to a gun store like she was saying and purchase it and be able to carry it like that it's a higher level of being able to carry a weapon regularly alright but let's say she gone through all that she's done the proper things she's done what she needs i still don't want that in my clasroom most faculty don't i understand so why should we allow that i think it's a personal dicision i think as an american our second ammendment rights that is our right to carry it to protect ourself to also protect other people. there are gonna be safe people that abuse it there's always gonna be people that abuse any kind of law but if you go to a gym a boxing gym you box you train you don't go out in the street and start beating people up you gotta conrol yourself right i think the university's policy

supports the notion of the faculty has the right to know what's going on in their environment and to be safe and even though you might be wonderfully trained i still don't want you to have that option to use that thing in our presence i think they should have to notify the school or notify wherever they're at carrying it that way if something does happen well let's look at how he had a weapon see if anyone else got ahold of it that way if something does happen god forbid it does you know where to look based on this conversation alone do you worry about someday there could be a shoot out where things get out of control you don't mean to ause something like that but one thing leads to another to another and the next thing you know people of good will come out with their guns and we have a problem you worry about that possible but i'd like to before i forget get back to rebecca having a gun in your classroom responsible some young student

what about the student that's not trained didn't tell you he/she had a gun didn't have an education but they're still sitting in your classroom now are you happy if she has a gun i'm concerned now you got two guns in your classroom and someone who's trained beside the amount of time it takes the upd to get there to help so that's why the policy says let's not being them in the classroom i'm askng you your opinion would you rather her have a gun if you know there's somebody that's gonna bring it in there regardless i'd rather nobody in this studio nobody in my classroom nobody have a gun because thats is a safe enviornment educational institudtion and we want to keep it that way absolutely but your rights not withstanding why should you have it here if we feel it's safer to not to have anybody have it because their is always gonna be that person that feels they need to be protected and they bring it regardless

they're not gonna care they might not even have a license for the weapon they got it on the streets they feel like someone is trying to get me so i'm gonna bring it into the classroom i'm gonna bring it wherever i go are we feeding into paranoia believe so parially but there's always peopl that try to the next level up to protect themselves and growing up in the wrong area if someone was a gang affiliate they're gonna ant to protect themselves at all times and they're gonna do i-do anyway possible as a student at sjsu we've had some scares where we think theyre's a gunman on campus it's not for sure and when i'm in the classroom i ould want someone to know how to use a gun correctly i have no idea how to use a gun if someone told me protect us i have no idea so i would want at least the instructors to have knowledge of how they can protect us when upd can't get there in time you want the instructors to know how to do it we've done some training with the police department on campus but not on how to use guns to protect you ans i think a lot of

faculty would draw the line and say wait a minute we'll show you how to duck and cover and run but definitely not gonna show you how to shoot the gun think that would be beneficial in a way but i was thinking earlier if there is a shooter in the classroom you don't have time to barricade if the instructor was carrying a gun they would have that knowledge on how to shoot it and carry it and protect their students but again we're talking on the responsiblity in an area where we're not trained as faculty or another student to protect the group you've been trained to protect yourself and i think that's why this conversation has been very good and i wish we had more time to continue it maybe we should in the future thank you for bringing this to our attention and we thank you for joining us on this edition of equal time

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