tv The Mc Laughlin Group PBS July 23, 2016 12:30pm-1:01pm PDT
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>> from washington, its mclaughlin group, the american original. for over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. ohn: issue one, trump. mr. trump: friends, delegates and fellow americans, i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination for the presidency of the united states. john: donald trump became the official republican party nominee for president after days of speeches by members of mr. trump's family and his supporters, billionaire businessman promised a better future to the american people.
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his speech at the convention arena in cleveland, focused on four key themes. first strengtheninging u.s. borders and reducing imfration gracious. and trade based efforts to boost u.s. manufacturing. third, improving law and order in u.s. communities. fourth, seeking a more positive relationship with russia while taking more aggressive action against international terrorist groups. still, the convention also had its complications. delegates walked out of the hall in protest of mr. trump. and elements of the speech by mr. trump's wife were lifted from first lady michelle obama's address to the 2008 democratic convention. give us your assessment of trump's acceptance speech? buick buick it hit every base. you mentioned four of them up
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there, securing the border, trade deals, stopping de industrialize american and stay out of wars and law and order. it was a very powerful speech, john. he has decided to throw away political correctness and going to run as donald trump when the issues were brought in. i think the mike pence choice came out better. i think mike pence come plea mepts him very well. melania and ivanka and the kids, i think the country was impressed with them. he has a fighting chance to be the next president of the united states and his speech overall helped him all across america. does america want donald trump? [laughter] eleanor: he is quite a showman, reality tv showman and also a con man. he laid out -- he laid out this
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vision of america like we are all terrified, hunkered down and the immigrants are coming together. he saved the speech towards the end to get more optimistic and said he is going to do all of these things and doesn't say how he is going to do any of these things and he expects us to believe him when he says i am your voice and i will fix this. and i must say the daughter ivanka, she's beautiful and she's smart and says she is going to change the labor laws. he's going to make sure that everybody has affordable day care, child care. the republican party just put out a platform that they in the end took out a plank saying they are opposed to pre-school because it interferes with the family raising their children. i haven't heard from donald trump about these women's issues she is championing. it is such a contrast. you have a lot of americans
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paying casual attention to politics and one guy going to fix everything, there is some appeal. the democrats have to come back in philadelphia. clarence tom: it spoke to people's concerns and the distance between what some of us think and what other people think about concern of lay and order and concern of immigration, the case of trade, how much appeal that has in pennsylvania and ohio where a poll in ohio showed clinton and trump neck and neck. and trump's utility in his aggressive passion, that sparks in people. and i thought it was a well-written speech and will be reflected in polls. and the distance as much as eleanor says, there were absence in policy, the problem with the democrats, what we will see from hillary clinton is a lot of
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proposals that are completely uncosted. and there is a divergence. eleanor: she has costed out all her proposals. tom: no, she hasn't. clarence: why is so trump so popular with that demographic of people who feel displaced and ignored, unlistened to. folks like in my ohio hometown where the steel mills are way down. all five paper mills are gone now. the deindustrial isation. folks don't understand but they used to make a middle income. they can't do that now. and they need some explanation for this. they need to hear from the government that they are doing about it. so trade has become symbolic, pat. trade issues is symbolic of a
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whole host of problem. the convention going on in cleveland, we were in the press center very close to some large tanker ships there. i mean exports-imports goes both ways and you make money. pat: to me, the trade thing, it works for the reason that it had 25 years of these trade deals nd we have the factories and jobs going overseas. what trump has and i agree with you the details aren't there. he is the changing candidate. i'm going to do something about it. maybe there aren't details. but i'm not sure what hillary offers americans in terms of here's the agenda. obama, everybody said we have to try something new. but i don't know what she has to offer that goes up against that power. eleanor: what she has to offer reflects the america that we did
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not see in the convention hall in cleveland. if you were sitting in your living room that virtually all-white crowd and that's not what america looks like today and screaming lock her up. lock her up. you don't lock up your political opponents. pat: i agree. eleanor: that was way over the top. pat: i agree hillary had a bad convention. [laughter] eleanor: that was a good convention for her. pat: i don't agree. eleanor: that shows people watching at home. john: ted cruz's missing endorsement politically suicidal? pat: i like ted cruz. the party wants to get together and we have one chance of winning this and understand he was wounded badly and hurt badly by that, but don't get up and damage the chances of everybody else who want to win this thing. i think cruz will never be
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nominated in my judgment. eleanor: donald appeared out of nowhere. and he reacted the same way to what cruz did to president obama's putdown at that white house correspondent's dinner. he smiled and took it, but i tell you cruz is probably dead to him from now on. clarence: i thought the crowd was chanting for cruz. but they were booing. it was explosive. on the other side, people are cheering for trump. his family gave him a grand entrance. pat: his showing up at the top of the stairs. john: how long did it take you to figure it out? clarence: what, the booing? i didn't keep a stop watch. tom: conventions from my
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experience, it's about pagantry. it is about that. so what do we expect? pat: it was a real convention and rather than having the people going through and deliver these balance the budget speeches, it was a great convention. things happened that we didn't anticipate. john: issue two, king erdogan. >> we decided to recommend to the government, in fact, a state of emergency be declared. john: a week after a failed coupe by militants of the turkish military. president obama are pressing turkey to maintain the democratic principles of its constitution and president erdogan is saying that turkey will not be allowed to e.u. if
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he re-introduces the death penalty. the president erdogan is trying to get rid the virus. 50,000 judges, prosecutors, civil servants and teachers have been detained and that has some turks that mr. erdogan is trying to centralize power and destroy its domestic opponents. and note another controversy, fethullah ccused gulen in the coupe attempt and wants him extradited from pennsylvania. the state department is now considering that ex tradition request. question, what effect will the failed coupe have on u.s.- turkish relations? clarence clarence in the short-term, we are still assessing, the u.s. assessing
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what the impact is, even some -- even rumors. it wasn't a real coupe but just an erdogan. he is becoming more autocratic and indifferent to the rest of the world. we have to pay attention. they've got nukes and in nato, but how do you get them leverage with him when he is thoroughly uncooperative as far as the outside world is concerned. eleanor: when trump was asked about his reaction to the turkish coupe and he said he didn't think the u.s. had any standing to lecture turkey because we are having policemen shot down in our streets which is an odd position to take. so i think -- i would hope that
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the coupe has little impact on the u.s.-turkish relations because they are an ally in the fight in syria. i would imagine the state department will sit on that ex tradition request and drag it out and that the backlash to the coupe dissipates. pat: this is historic and it's very, very serious. turkey has the second largest army in nato. we have allies at major bases to attack isis and al qaeda. they are a valuable ally. we have had trouble with them. but what it looks like erdogan is going to clean house of his adversaries. he is going to be in trouble with us trying to get gulen because i don't think we are going to send him over there. as for joining the e.u., e.u. is
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not going to bring 90 million muslims into the european union. this could be a dramatic change affecting both the outcome of some of these wars over there and the future of nato and the future of the e.u. john: j is he going after the teachers and the military? tom: he does not like military opposition. the pal ace he built was a meta for of his personality. he wants to reshape turkey under the ability of authoritarianism. the problem we face as everyone else mentions, as a nato member with weapons there, we should withdraw them. and we're not going to back down. it is about democracy. and it's incredibly important in terms of turkey that for a long time when he first entered office as a great leader,
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leading turkey and we can't be a counterpoint to that, because if we do, we lose the great opportunity. pat: the question is, could very welcome down whether we are going to have a democracy in turkey or an ally in turkey because it looks to me like traditional democracy is on the way out right now. this individual is bitter and angry. he's got an authoritarian personality and could be on the way to puteinism in turkey and the united states will have to make a very serious call. eleanor: the united states is not going to say we don't deal with him. we know how the u.s. is going to react. you deal with the regime that's there. they are too important. but brexit passed in part because the leaders were claiming, you are going to bring in all these muslims and scaring
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people. turkey has been and still is a muslim country that has been largely secular and been a model for governance that we are looking for. pat: the islamic uprising all across that world. islam has been rising foa couple of decades now and rising in turkey and in a way he is respondingo that, too. tom: if he continues upon this track, turkey will not be able to remain a nato member. when you talk about practical terms, can you ally based on what he did? pat: he shot down a russian aircraft in syria and guarantee him under article 5 if he goes to war with russia. eleanor: they aren't going to kick turkey out of nato. u.s. should the you -- the
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extradite gulen? pat: not unless they can find hard evidence he was directly behind the coupe. tom: you have to have evidence, rule of law. clarence: will drag it out as long as we can. john: gulen should only be extradited after initial determinations. no russians in rio? the world anti-doping agency commission reported this week on the system attic use of performance-enhancing drugs by russian athletes. the russian state sponsored doping program was supported by russian intelligence services and quote, unquote, planned and operated at the london 2012, summer olympics and sochi 2014 winter olympics.
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the commission is considering banning the russian olympics. putin is furious. a whistleblower they are saying is a judas. they are saying he is suffering a conspiracy from western powers. were they justified in banning russia from rio? eleanor: talked about the evidence, i think there is plenty of evidence that russian athletes were doping. i'm not sure whether the evidence continues to the present day and that the current set of athletes preparing for rio -- they would have to be tested. i think there should be a penalty. but i would like to see russia compete. and if the current crop of athletes can be clean, i think they should be allowed to go ahead.
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pat: it looks like if there was a state sponsor on this program to drug up and a lot of people involved in it. i would hate to see the athletes who have trained for four years and haven't taken these drugs and can pass drug tests in rio before they compete, i think they ought to be allowed to compete. secondly, there is -- putin clearly sees this as they are sticking it to me again and i don't think that will help relationships between the u.s. and russia. tom: i'm conflicted who is a russian athlete who is supposed to be going there. i trust her implicitly. when we have an international sporting event and so much to say what is in doubt, this is one of the institutions that everyone can come together. ased on the evidence that is
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damning, 2012, the london olympics, they have to be banned, they have to be banned. if they are not, there is no future expectation in sporting events. it brings disrepute to a great institution. clarence: the question to me is do we check out and punish people individually or the entire team including those who ad no supplements or whatever. i would like to keep it as individually oriented as possible. when jimmy carter boycotted the olympics and nobody was satisfied by that solution. tom: allowed to have some russian athletes come without the russian team banner. that is a potential compromise. pat: you can't have russian
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athletes wearing olympic jersies without representing their country. make all of them go through some drug test, but don't -- i just don't see any good coming out of that. eleanor: if they can make a clean break with the past. this is a hold over from the cold war days and they had a very strong program and very important to win these medals and doped these people up on steroids and whatever else. nobody cared back then. the rules have changed. pat: remember that joke about the east germans? eleanor: the rules have changed. john: if the russians are allowed to come meet many more countries will start cheating on doping. issue four, buyers' remorse. >> july 14, 2015, the united 1 negotiatingplus
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partners and iran reached an agreement to block iran to acquiring a nuclear weapon and in return lifts the nuclear-related sanctions on iran's economy. john: secretary of state john kerry last week celebrated the first anniversary of the iran nuclear deal. but according to the ap, a secret side agreement will allow iran to install advanced centrifuges 11 years from now. those advanced century -- centrifuges are five times more powerful and there could be a nuclear weapon within six months starting in 2030. president obama recently afffirmed that iran's so-called breakout period would be one year. also this week, the u.s. and russia criticized secretary general ban ki-moon for
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describing iranian ballistic missile tests as quote, not consistent with the constructive sprirt, unquote of the nuclear deal. why did the obama administration keep this annex secret? tom: they felt if they were truly honest about the nature and couple of months back. if they felt they were honest, they couldn't get it through. this deal in terms of the iranians, you have seen the ballistic missile testing and building that. there is a great line in crimson tied. and the problem here they will get the missiles and get the enrichment capacity and the chinese and russians will never come back and the problem with the region is it makes all the paranoid actors, saudi arabia,
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qatar, obsessed by iranian empowerment and throw money to roups to counter them. eleanor: the ballistic missiles were never part of the deal. number two, you have an aggressive lobby to undermine this deal in coordination with israel and trying to undermine the economic benefits that are supposed to flow to iran being part of this deal. boeing would like to sell them planes. it's a big deal. and they need it for their commercial airline industry and the lobby in this country in coordination with the u.s. congress, mostly republicans, are trying to stop that deal. if iran doesn't seek economic benefits, the hard liners will work to kill the deal. the hard liners are in concert
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here. if the deal is holding, but it's fragile. pat: i think it is a good deal in a sense. iran decided in 2003 as our agencies said not to build nuclear weapons and then they got the sanctions lifted for not doing what they weren't going to do anyhow. i don't believe iran wants an atomic bomb or seeking an atomic bomb. the plants are under inspection and did everything along with the deal. there are two irans. there are guys that voted to overthrow and there is a militia and the republican guard and the eye tolla. but i agree with eleanor. what are they going to do with the boeing 787's? someone said they are going to transport them. tom: the revolutionary guard
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owned the company. pat: who are they going to go to war with? clarn clarence: pat and i actually agree. and you know, before the deal, iran was going down the path to development. we have been able to buy time, a lot of time with this deal. eleanor: and the secretary responded and said nothing to change the length of the breakout time. pat: both countries want to end the deal because they want to get together and go at it again. tom: you are right there are people in iran that are young moderates. but at the same time, how many is still the leader and look at what they are doing in beirut. not about us and israel. eleanor: they should have commercial planes they are not
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afraid to get on. [laughter] eleanor: i'm not opposed to that. tom: the money that comes from the deal. eleanor: it's their money. pat: post-convention polls will show a significant lift for the donald, eleanor. [laughter] eleanor: that hillary will come back a week later. kudos to the city of cleveland and the police force in cleveland for maintaining security and protecting the rights of the protestors. tom: 100% with eleanor and pat, but leaf eye shirley is a young american who died in syria to fight with the kurds. a tribute to the exceptionalism of this country and he will be remembered. clarence: i predict the democrats will run all speeches next week through anti-plagiarism software. john: i predict if he wins the
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legal low and welcome to qqed newsroom, i'm thuy vu. coming up reporters from youth radio examine sex trafficking in oakland. the first graphic novelist to be named national ambassador for young people's literature. first a look back the gop convention that wrapped up in cleveland, a look forward as democrats gear up for their convention kicking off on monday. this week was supposed to be a chance to rally the gop over the nomination of donald trump. in a primetime speech, senator ted cruz refused evoking boos from many of the delegates. on the democratic side, after a lengthy nomination fight with bernie sanders, how will hillary clinton use the convention in philadelphia to fire up her party's base and win over swing
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