good evening from los angeles i am tarris smiley, first a conversation with brad stone. athor. it examines the way uber, are changing the world. it is called freedom highway, the project builds a lyrical bridge from our country to slavery, to the sounds of today. we are glad you joined us. brad stone, andriana gid -- anr

gidones. in a moment. . uber and abnb has a combined value of $100 billon with a b, dollars. he writes about the upstarts, how uber, and the killer

companies of the new silicone valleys are changing the world. >> great to have you. for the better or worse? >> there is plenty of criticism to lob at the companies, i don't think you can argue that the change has been anything but good for cities. i don't need rent-a-car anymore. not only for riders, people who want to drive for a living. the taxi market was, it is hard to get a medallion in new york or london. it has created a new line of work, for anybody who wants to work. lose their job, supplementing in college. maybe in-law apartment. a way to make money. there are excesses on both platforms, the companies cut corners, they were challenging

regulatory regimes, the ceoos are aggressive, young tech folks, i believe it is for the better. >> both ceo's are aggressive, the uberguy, beyond aggressive. people hate this guy. this is me, saying that, not you. he angerred and upset a lot of people. some hate him for the way he behaves. >> travis cal nick,uberwouldn't be uberwithout him. they built a company on, in the backyard of apple and google. operating through the smart phone. he was selling i a commodity, of course, any companies can do,

like lyft. have. >> and launching it, it wasn't legal, he did it anyway. cutting corners again and again. a system, to avoid regulators. he did it without a professional pr company. the other aspect of it is, the driver community has been a bit uncomfortable, full time drivers, with the way the fares on ubeb has fallen over time. there is so much more competition, it is hard to make a full-time living on uber, they haven't handled that well. my colleagues published, fighting in the back seat of an

uberwith a driver, that does not react positiveively on. >> he has taken on entreached companies, for the sake of airport. i keep reading the stories, again, it has more to do with character, and personality and style. and making your workers feel like you are not using them. all the i am just, i getaneerie feeling. >> i think a lot of people do. steve jobs was a tough guy to work for. steve baso, the subject of my previous book, tough to work for. >> when you are making employees

rich. sometimes, the drive is more expensive. riders, customers, we don't like that. the company is private. no great wealthy on his employees. >> clearly, he has a lot to prove. >> the guy that runs air bnb seems to be a bit more under the radar. >> considerably so. grown that company with awareness. make taining a good brand, in fights with reg laters, they have been disruptive at uberhas. there are community that is don't want tourists flooding in, new york city, air b and b launched it, done it similar to

uber. they have i think maybe a bit of a stronger idealistic, getting people out of the double decker buses, i think he is a great. you don't get the humility. i'd say. >> what they have been able to establish on the shared economy. >> what is being shared, the back seat of a car, someone driving professionally. that is a taxicab, without the. >> when i hear shade, in the most admirable definition.

allowing more of us to share in the economy. i can drive or run out my house. when i hear shared economy, i like that. >> look, as you said before, it opened up enormous opportunity. to get, to turn your car into a taxicab, you couldn't do that before. on the other side there, there are places when the taxis wouldn't serve. creativity an -- it is telling us to do something we were told not to do. get in a strangers car. >> what about those who suffer

because of these? there is a good side to the story, a bad side to the story. tell me about those, who are suffering because of the rise of the upstarts. >> the carnage of the disrupted. >> i start with the taxi fleet owners, particularly in cities where they had to make a big investment of medallions, they thought they were investing in an asset that would grow every year. they had political power, i have sympathy for the individual taxi driver, who took alone out on that medallion and lost a lot of money. that is a big one. i think that probably, full-time taxi drivers, anyone who wants to make it a living or career,

uberrelentlessly lowered the price. because they are trying to use all the money they raised they probably separated a bit. >> you are the expert here. when i think of trying to compete with them. >> there well competitors, home away. in the vacational rental. moving into cities, millenniums would want to go, spend a vacation in an erban center. they have moved to try to compete. they have bent the fabric of the

travel industry. >> this is a simplistic statement. dave first -- you haven't told me about uber, i took a ride, to see what it was like. the thing that turned him on, on the heart of the technology. get in the car with a stranger, you don't have to change no money. then when you get into a yellow cab, you have to sit there. and wait. >> it is not only made it easier. changed the expectation for how a transaction is supposed to go.

through fashl recognition, they will charge you. it is the entire economy, maybe one day, we don't have to pay for things, but another key point is, there will be a lot of dislocation as -- >> i don't have an uberaccount. i love being able to hope in and out of the car, n no money exchanged. i have to wait it, wait for chae. >> it is the same thing. visible transaction. in is the place, slow down the spread check n check out. walking n grabbing product, walking out.

is tht wave of the future? >> it is one of the weighs, so many other things that are taking off, landing, it will be these children, have all sorts of the advancements continue. how good to have you on, my friend. >> up next, rihaano gibbons, stick with us. she is a founding member of the country blues group, he is out

before our conversation, we 8 take a look at the tilthsd track, equilibrium freedom highway" ♪ down freedom highway ♪ ♪ oh, yeah ♪ marching each and every day ♪ made up my mind ♪ snoo that i won't turn around. made up my mind that i won't turn around ♪ >> i remember reading about this in the times, when you actually did this. tell me what the experience was like. >> is it was the experience of a

life. the result of the contracks, profoundly affected. affected by the color in the prison, i walked in, it is something, here with the fever -- a c, you know, the result of institutionalized. it became the show that is on the record. when it is overed to to bring my own show, yes, to bring what we are talking about say, is the

message in this record that has been in my hughesic the we did one of their songs. a profound day. >> all your work is good work, the lyrical content. one considers so much of your -- >> it was infence doing historical music, this is a. >> what was the time line for us? reading about the circumstances reading about the atmosphere,

then, reading stories, was proo foundly affect ed. i started playing it, and the first one came out. in this book, it was just like, it became a song. i found kind of my mission. i have been around these sorts of things, the reason why i am here, in the way i am doing it. bringing the stories into the now. in that way that is difficult. it is like an emotional short-cut. you can receive a empathy for

this person. >> i am curious to know what the audience response is. how does the audience take it in? what is the show like? it is interesting, we have done euro and australia. we don't know y-- i am not holding anything back. just doing what we do. the people, it is heavy stuff. i put it in the context of a show.

moments of intense emotion, go to a dants song. it is a myriad of sideline like anybody else. presented it in the we are doing other parts, then, of course, we are doing in tent. >> i haven't been able to reach the black press is ignored. trying to put us at the rightfully place. that has been my frustration. everybody comes to the show that

i love. this is at the heart of american louisic. we will sxwn r. we get in there. bring our allies yet. why in 50 yards why is that the heart of every this is a reflection of write an article.

this is a beautifully thing, we 92 to embrace the beauty. i'm sorry, i am a passionate about it. >> you are doing, what you are doing is beautiful. the latest project, freedom highwaywa highwayway, -- highway. i will say yes. >> you spread the world on tv. keep the gath as always -- keep the faith as always.

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and all you know ♪ ♪ don't be here ♪ leave us to love you and all you hold dear ♪ i will go, leave all i know oh, dear, oh, dear ♪ ♪ won't you lie, if they find

that truck of gold by my side. ♪ misstress oh, misstress, i won't lie, misstress that truck of gold is what you got when my children, don't you cry. i wish you well. i am leaving here.

i am leaving her. ♪ [ applause ] >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley.org. >> a look around the country, next time. >> a look around the country, next time. we will see you then.

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