good evening i am tavis smiley. tonight we have chuck dee and tom morello. >> chuck dee and tom morello, coming up in just a moment.

and by contributions from viewers like you. thank you. >> so pleased to have chuck dee and tom morello back from last night's discussion. you can see what we had to say and last night's powerful start to this conversation last night. >> lets play, too. >> lets play, too. go to pbs.org if you miss our conversation last night. their new project is called prophet of raid. what do you expect from these

two guys when they come together. you said something last night that i want to come back to. i have made a disstungs in a number of times. you made a powerful distinction between justice and unity. i am not sure if those two things are possible and are they mutually exclusive? >> the one thing that you cannot give an inch is justice and we may have to sacrifice unity. it is my intention that racism in the dna of the country and just as american and baseball or american pie or rap music.

>> this is an opportunity and not just to have a dialogue but confronting held on of the issues that's surfacing for so long. >> if you believe in our dna taken into a logical conclusion, i cannot change my dna. >> yeah. >> i cannot change many things about me and my attitude and clothes and change my hair styles. it can mean different things to different people. the national anthem is an article of religious faith. it is patriotic and represents freedom and bounty and wealth of this and power of this nation. >> even though it does not. >> in some people mind's it is. >> to others, it is a symbol of

suppressi suppression. and immoral crimes and wars around the world. this is the opportunity for our country to look at self in the eye of who are we and do we twoont kewant to keep it? >> what was your read on the nfl player and the nba players and golden state and lebron and all of them. >> top ballplayers don't speak up and they make it hard for somebody looking over their shoulders for a job. when lebron james speak, the league had no other choice to figure out how they work with that and figure out how to work into that. he speaks for many and he's not

going anywhere. in the past, they had players which speaks for a lot of nfl players, they're not easily identifiable. a lot of them may want to say something because they could not because a football team is really the closest thing to sports plantation. >> one did, kaepernick and paid the price. >> he was somebody that took the team to the super bowl and had a little bit of a profile and what so ever. so it took other athletes and other sports to speak up. and when the basketball players speaking up. major league baseball are the way to go, too. the nba in the united states and as far as black athletes and the highest profiles. when big players speaking up and others will follow. with the president -- he's a whipping of mass distraction. it forces people to pay

attention to the reality of what's going on. this guy, i believe that he's not going to last the whole tenure of his presidency. >> you don't believe that? >> no, i don't believe that. >> will we implode of explode, that's to say, will he bring himself down? >> it could be all the above. i just think that it is really more reason to pay attention to how the system works and what's happening and where does he come from and why they are being distracted of the clownery. >> this dude should not be the president of the united states and when you have athletes saying hey, stay in kroyour lan this should not be in your lane. if you think that trump is not going to make it out of this term. >> not in this race, it is an

avalanche. >> we opened up this show last night playing your video that was barred to youtube and caught hail to the chief. mike pence was featured in that video, mike pence, if trump don't last the first term, we go to mike pence? >> i think they all got to go. it is really time for the kind of mass action that disposes of this horrible regime. the people that own and run and control the country don't deserve to. trump is similarmatic ymptomma t great greater disease. >> it reshapes the country. this album is audition to be the sound track of that. >> what is that disease that america is inflicted with. >> it is a combination of racial in justice. it is at the core and something

that people want to have, it is this mint that it is all america. my experience with being pulled over by cops maybe different from somebody in our audience experienced. they cannot relate through the america that i have seen through my eyes. we try to rock the hell out of you with big ribs and sering guitar solos. the message contains within it is built for this time. >> isolationism is not good for this world to go forward. this is one planet, there is no such thing as over there, unless you are talking about another planet. >> anything that we do will affect the rest of world. that does not fit the 21st century in my opinion. if people are connected with gadget in the world, why would they be limited to be change to one place and one state of

miepmiepnd. tom was talking about the music and the guitar solos and lyrics and etcetera, the music and the groove and the beat and the guitar solos, talk to me about it. some of these titles i cannot repeat on pbs. >> yeah, yeah, i see, too. >> organic coming together and fixed individuals, yes, myself and i call it the "shaoling." it is formed to understand the condemn strhemistry that came t. we understand the catalog and legacy that we do of public enemy and raise against machine and you talk about the great work and nu flavor, in this, we

all got together and looked at each other, well, you know this is what you call a group of six talented revolutionary musicians where the music is the narrative and the lyrics will ride into that. if people know what you are about and they can understand and get the head not. if they don't, something got to pull them in. we play in front of 2.5 million people since last year before our first record came out. not dominating the narratives but coming out and write great music and performances. a blueprint of what tom asked us to do. chuck gave us a list of musical luminaries, it occurs to me that this is my first time seeing you face to face since chris kornell left us. you want to say a word about that? >> yeah, it is a tragedy, he was a great friend and incredible

talent. o one of the greatest rock and roll singer of all time. we miss him and we do in our show and we do tribute to him. sort of a public morning and celebration of his greatness and our love for him. >> none of us are getting younger. we are all living lies and legacies. when ever i lose someone close to me like that, it causes me to just pause and take stock of what i am doing of my life and any kind of legacy that i am levering. what do you hope you are doing with your syours? >> for me, it is simple, it is gun blazing fighting for a better and decent world. if we don't win, go down and swing it >> never hesitate and time and presence is such a gift that you build a plant for the future. on the other side of a certain age where it is 45 and 50. you realize that this world less and less belongs to you.

collectively you can come together for the spirit to understand of the 40 or 50 years belonging somebody in 18 or 20s have yet to be born and this is why the knock of this administration is so -- if you got a president that's 70s and they're making decisions and add mip stra administration on the next 40 or 50 years, they don't give adam of somebody figuring themselves o out, climate, economic, education, where do they sit in the world of 2025. how does it look? >> one in charging of anything and any country and any government and any government have to keep 2020 in mind or 2050 in mind. we don't see that. >> in the studio how it is set up, you cannot see, over my left shoulder is tom morello's 94

years old mother who i got the honor to meet. i am sure i speak for y'all and everyone of us making our mama proud. i try everyday to make my mama proud. tell me about your mama and what is it that you got from her that made you who you are. >> she's the most radical and popular member of the morello's family. >> at 94. >> she will occasionally introduce the band with a spirited and sailor flavor full introduction. [ laughter ] >> and most of the revolutionary bone from my body comes from her dna. she was also the one that allowed. as a kid my band, my loud noisy punk band can practice in her basement. i said i am going to go live in a squat hollywood and play rock

n' roll and she was like great, see you in prison. [ laughter ] and so we tried -- she will be home after this and she may write a letter to you depending on your performances tonight. [ laughter ] >> i better behave myself. >> it raised a question, chuck for me particularly in the black experience as to whether or not we are our grandparents and great parents generation. you think of kids in the movie. these are kids in their 20s. when they were raging against a machine, they're in their 20s. what's your assessment of who we are and the millennial generation. are we as good as i answer? >> there is an in security by older people and the past 30 years that don't want to look at younger adults and you know the

sign that says youth, looking at younger adults in the area of leadership. we entered the last two or three generations a little morsel fish and self center and you have to let go at a certain point but you have to teach. the teaching is gathered and once again you are isolated from a world philosophy and opinion. you are going to have these fragments that keep youth kind of dissolution. it is a different 27 now when i am 27. we have to fight against that and we have to encourage young people. yes, you have a lane and when i see a lane, i will stay in my lane. we have to step back a little bit from that and encourage young nations that they could

leave and that's probably the biggest dirc biggest difference. in the '60s, doctor king, you are not going to fix yourself, you got to make things happen. young adults start to realize that, you got to start doing things. >> look at antimatters. there are a lot of young people now who we are inspired by our ancestors and those people and our music is part of this movement and of this time now and rage against machine and public. we have political legacy, this is the crucible that we are in right now and there are a lot of young people are responding to the moment and our music hopes to reflect those struggles. >> what concerns me is while i

do not believe and politics is the end all. everything is not a political decision or decided by politics. as you mentioned, kpacexamples people in the streets and black lives matter and so many people were engaged in the political process of the obama area and some of sugolutions of eight years. the whole had more young adults than hillary and trump combined. >> sure. >> that did not end so well for them. >> sure. >> i wonder whether or not this is a marathon and not a sprint. whether or not they have fatigue. >> well, this is why collective counts. this is why we are all a group. we are focusing on individuals and one person and the star and one person. you can beat off a lot of that fatigue because you share the duty against what ever is

aggressively against you. i feel in this group, a lot of time tom takes the lead, i love playing the support and i of of -- i love playing the support backing up. i feel in order to us to have a message and coming together will help. we come from three group and we are a super group and we are together. that's how you make it change is my personal thing. >> based on what you see in the streets, as you tour around the country, are you hopeful? >> yeah. i am very hopeful. there will be challenge and disappointments and you know what else? resistance to that. we are the civil rights movement to now. donald trump did not invent r e racism and injustice. it will predate him and post him.

our work after generation after generation is trying to unscrew the cat and everybody gets another turn around during our time here. we may not reach that promise land, we are going to fight as hard as we can and fight for the kind of world that we want to see and not just against global warming and against racism but really look like a world war. there is a true freedom and equality and justice, not just here in the united states but where every kid gets an education and a chance. lets say what we really want and fight for that. >> how do you sustain your hope? >> they linger around: but older people move on in transition and younger people are born and they come in. eliminate the stench and fight against that is key.

you had people that came along and checked out us and who were fans of what we done. and that's different. it is new. it is been a reserveulation. you got to fight it. look at the 20-year-old kid in charlottesville. where did he get that from? so we have to work hard and it is a non-stop strasburuggle. >> everybody else have their own thoughts and i ask tom the same question. when you look back at your own catalog, what do you make of? >> my word is bond. >> i love it. >> yeah, i love it. >> what about your catalog, tom?

>> what do you think? >> i was in a band that tried to be famous and that did not work out. i thought i was done at 26-year-old. at that moment, i would never play another note of music that i did not believe in. e kept true to that. here we are today making music that we believe in. what we try to do on our record is try to create a little bit of the world that we would like to see in our multi ethic fans and genre music and we try to create a little bit. >> i would like to say one thing is this man right here has a revolutionize an instrument that's been used since. these things i want him to be known in our community and musicians are important. musicians matter. they teach us music and art and they matter. this bothers me a bit when it

comes down to people like tom morello and a black kid that feels hike the guitar cannot be played by him or rock music does not belong to us. education must be revamped as well as many things in this country. when you go around the world they hold onto our culture. >> uh-huh. >> like it is gold or diamond or oil. this is important for all youth from here. especially youth that we created. >> maone of the things is makin sure music is taught in school. it is one of the misguided priorities, we got more money for aircraft carriers than we do with children. that's a shame. the people that ordered and structure in the world and those priority, don't deserve too. >> chuck dee of this day in rap

and hip hop history. before i get into the texts, tell me about your relationship with shepard, he did the cover art for the new project working with chuck, how did you guys hook up with shepard? >> he's been family. >> exactly. >> he did posters back in the day. >> yeah >> long before the obama posters. >> yeah, he always had the punk rock spirit in his art work and street art and he gravitated towards our music. he was the first person to see prophet of rage play. we were kind of figuring out and trying to figure out the chemistry and the chemistry clicked. we had one audience member, shepard went down, and now we are showing off and rocking in front of him. [ laughter ] >> michael jordan.

>> the show is easy. >> i have been laughing of the many secrets that i heard. that's another conversation. >> yeah, that's a lot. tell us about this book, chuck. >> hip h-hop. a lot of people want to talk about the mew siusimusic, okay,d you get that from? it is all tied in understanding something causing. prophet is from a place that we are throwing stones into our future that people can look and say yes, i can follow that. >> 25 seconds. did you think hip-hop would be larger than charged? >> it is america's native tongue. >> it is america's language. >> i love you chuck. [ laughter ] >> anyway, the new project that

chuck and tom are apart of, it is called "prophet of rage," it is good stuff. it will get you thinking and acting. chuck dee with shepard ferry. love you guys and honored to have you all times. >> love you guys. >> coming in and paying dues. >> that's our show tonight, thanks for watching and as always, keep the faith. for more information on today's show, visit tavissmile tavissmiley @pbs.org. >> hi, join me next time for the man who rescued more than 12,000 in america, that's next time, we'll see you then.

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good evening from los angeles, i am tavis smiley, tonight a person look at chronic fatig fatigue syndrome. then musician and activist chuck dee and tom morello discussing their new cds. we are glad you are joining us, all of that is coming up in jaus moment. ♪