history of the world. i i i would tell you assume that what you're seeing on your local. news networks is synonymous with the american people. you know i look at the relationship between justice ruth bader ginsburg, the late we just lost from the supreme court. and the late justice antonin scalia. they were on polar opposites on the supreme court of the united states, one very liberal won very conservative. but what's been learned since her passing was the 2 of them and their families. with very close friends. here in america, we can disagree we can debate vigorously uh senator harris and i have on the stage tonight. when the debate is over we come together as americans. that's what people do in big cities and small towns all across this country. so i just want to encourage you brooklyn, i want to tell you that. we're going to work every day to have government as good as or people. the

american people each and every day love a good debate. we love a good argument, but we always come together always there for one another thank you times of need and we've especially learn that. thank you for the guys difficulties of this year. >>senator harris, what would you say to brooklyn. >>first of all i love hearing from our young leaders and when i hear her words when i hear your words, i know our future is bright because it is that perspective on who we are and who we should be. that is a sign of leadership and it's something we should all aspire to and brings me to joe joe biden. one of the reasons that joe decided to run. for president is after charlottesville which we talked about earlier. it's so troubled him and upset him like it did all of us that there was that kind of hate and division. what propelled joe to run for president was

to see that over the course of the last 4 years what brooklyn described has been happening. joe has a longstanding reputation of working across the aisle. working in a bipartisan way. and that's what he's going to do as president. joe biden has a history. lifting people up and fighting for their dignity. you mean you have to know joe story to know that joe has known pain. his non suffering. and he has known love. and so brooklyn when you think about the future. i do believe the future is bright. and it will be because of your leadership. and it will beak be because we fight for each person's voice through their vote. and we get engaged in this election because you have the ability through your work and through. eventually your vote. thank you to determine the future of our country and what its leadership looks like.

>>thank you senator harris. thank you vice president pence thank you so much for being with us tonight. we want to thank also the university of utah for its hospitality. and most of all our thanks to all the americans who watched this debate tonight. again our best wishes for a quick recovery to president trump. the first lady and everyone who is battling covid-19. the second presidential debate is next week on october 15th, a town hall-style debate in miami. we hope you'll join us then good evening. awful lot.

>>why would president trump and i and our task force have been doing every step of the way it looks a little bit like plagiarism. >>all right, hello everybody thank you for joining us, i'm catherine heenan this is a special edition of inside bay area politics. tonight, vice president mike pence and democratic nominee senator kamala harris facing off in their first their only debate

this salt lake city, a debate shaped largely by the pandemic although they touched on a lot of topics debate featuring a woman of color on the vp debate stage for the first time, a debate featuring plexiglass for heaven's sake. this is we are less than a month away from the election. we're joined by our political michael yaki host of the crime podcast the politically smart ask this is where we're watching and salt lake city as everyone walks off the stage or looking at live pictures as the debate wrapping up just minutes ago tom del beccaro is joining us host of the podcast politics in perspective and professor david mckeown chair of the political science department at sonoma state university. okay everybody fewer interruptions nobody was telling anyone to shut up. but we were not always getting questions directly answer to either. and there were times when people kept talking and they should have been let me get your first impressions and david we'll start with you.

>>sure i think you have to place this debate in the context of how the election itself is changing. vice president pence many times kept returning to the pandemic which in some ways surprising you look at national polls, you're looking at a gap that's 9 or 10 points by some measure 15 points certainly the events of the last 4 or 5 days with the president's covid positive testing and hole in the virus that's changed the dynamic here and i would say that vice president pence went about 80% of the way without closing the loop, sometimes but then kamala harris also went only so far so this debate in the next us probably doesn't change much in terms of where things are going. vice president pence was aggressive to a point but he didn't go quite far enough to be aggressive and that's a very delicate dance for him by the same token kamala harris had to go farther but in some way she played it safe by playing it safe maybe that's the best thing that they can hold since

their hold the lead at this point. >>all right tom del your first thoughts. >>well it much wind as i predicted when you are sitting it's a calmer today. vice president pence doesn't happen same disposition as president trump. caught kamala was the more candidate. i so that's where ball play to tight president trump did what he needs to with respect to telling people about the american or kamala harris's record in pointing out. i by harris to take obviously the worst moment for biden harris is again refusal answer. the i think he missed some opportunities certainly i would have done things a little bit different than he did but the question at the

end of the day is does this moves the needle. >>i think i you know kamala harris is a reason why she out of election now getting death i one she's not as likable as and elizabeth warren told see gathered in some cases where amy klobuchar she just doesn't have their appeal. and i think at the end of day she satisfied people on the left. i she gained much in the middle. and vice president trump, i'm sorry incident listen to me. long day started at one 15 am. vice was able to make the key points. he wanted to >>all right michael it certainly was a very much hyped some people describing it as potentially the most significant debate of its time. a recent memory. was it

what stood out to you. >>well i think that after tuesday. people were thinking that this would be the most significant debate. but unfortunately, or fortunately depending which we want to look at it. the president's diagnosis and subsequent contraction a current eyes pretty much blew that out of water and change the nature of this debate because it changed the nature of the election. ivory focusing completely on the pandemic by making this a referendum on the president's role with the pandemic and that's why i was a little as i was texting david during the debate why is pence going back to the pandemic this is not where he should be just from a pure strategy point of view. this is this this actually was i think a little bit of up. it's going more know and i think for what it did not do than what it did and couple things that came out to me watching this debate was that. i thought that. really sort of

push the rules much more than he i understood i think he had a checklist of things he wanted to get through. he was going to make sure you got matter what reaching back to the pandemic reaching back and other questions. >>speaking way beyond its speaking over student that the moderator. speaking interrupting interrupting at times. com layers to the point where kind of showed up at one point. it's huge thing can i can i finish my answer you know to me there's there's actually going to be some interesting talk out there about sort of the gender role that was going on out here and whether or not and was playing a role that may not play that very well with some with the very constituencies that the trump campaign's from look the bomb specter tom real fast before we go to a break tom. >>has the president made things a tougher for parents tonight by how he has handled his diagnosis.

>>the reason why my husband back to it is because kobe he's tied with the economy the most important issues and he wanted to make the case on the economy and covid and and. i really think my hands change any answers. based on something particularly trump was doing or not he has to be able to dispel the lie that there's no plan it does spell the lie that vaccines would be bad and and set forth all the things that they have done because you watch some channels in this country day they go with the news nothing been done in our and so we had to stick on that to a certain degree can i just say i want a moderator who can tell people to shut up. >>in the in all cases and make it work all we back with more highlights and more analysis after

>>everybody to a special edition of inside bay area politics, i'm catherine heenan we are joined by our analyst michael yaki tom del beccaro and david pick taken to smile and they've been watching this

another 90 minute, no brakes debate. well one of the topics we'll come right back to you gentlemen, health care and we want to play a little bit of that conversation. if you have a preexisting condition. >>heart disease diabetes breast cancer. they're coming for you. >>we have a chance to talk about health care because obamacare was a disaster. the american people remember well. president trump and i have a plan to to improve health care and for present protecting preexisting conditions for every american. >>all right there were some strong moments but they're also a lot of times when they both sort of one drifting and did not always directly answer questions what stuck out to you in terms of the other topics aside from a coronavirus and michael will go to you. >>mean i'm going go back and say and say this which is i'm going pence and reach back to

the 4 former question. i think i think that this what this debate was completely about the about the pandemic and all the attempts to sort of. as a left wing socialist what have you i mean they were they were what and had to do. but it is, but it's because he was playing with less than a full deck in terms the cut with the kind of car she had had a hand. the pandemic just overwhelmed this debate from start to finish. you can even pence acknowledged that by trying to to nearly valiantly. but if you really defend what what was going on under his own leadership. the task force i think that would really stood out for me. was the fact that. it was about counter punching. there's really no hard punches being thrown by either one of them. it was very defensive, almost by by both sides and that's why i think this is not a game changer by any stretch of the imagination in terms of debate and all the sort of. below about this means significant

and as you can read i because i think both were plain cautious. pope both were playing defense and the fence was not going to win it from mike that's and you wonder what would happen of or a second debate to have but you're right this was let's go to or tom tom pence obviously >>a good night you needed a shot at changing the trajectory of the race. in your opinion do you have a good not >>yes, he did do what he needs to do mean it. if you add out now i say outright misstatements and there's another word for that mcconnell that will come out in the fact check. >>even usa today and publish something about that that trump didn't dismiss the pandemic and on and on and offers their cycles to the extent the end of the day. you need is a certain number of sayings about kamala harris. and he has a calmer demeanor that her. there's no one who can logically say that she's

more compared to be president then hand and so what he had to do say who she is saying what her most >>put the spotlight on my own on how. >>what amounts to hiding by where you can't you don't know what he does until you elect him. and pointing out that they are policies won't help the economy and she's not yes, no policy i don't think this changes the whole world. but i think he does provide assurances to independence that tense is a steady person. he never got certainly he just was by definition who he is which is very calm after. >>even nobody was nobody was calling each clown are telling each other due to shut up but what was lacking if anything in your opinion what what

didn't we see or >>they're trying to navigate this crisis this pandemic they're worried about their jobs and their houses. they're worried about their livelihood your household you would think the president and his team would go harder about the economy all the polling has indicated previously. >>that was a strong suit for them, but they seem somewhat oblivious to that that this pandemic this infection. it is upsetting the whole apple cart now if you've got to run a simple debate if you're going to run a safe debate you're going to present your talking points. that's not enough to upset this race and this dynamic is changing that we are not certain that we have another debate on the 15th we probably have a debate on the 22nd, but all of that revolves around the pandemic and the condition and that's for most voters that's why they tuned out of politics because

they're seen this and it's not really moving forward their own household and that is not enough to change independence and ohio and michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin where the president drew an inside straight in 2016 and he's not growing as base and how does he do that and win reelection, it's very difficult to do that and so therefore the safety mark that both these candidates win in west is probably not enough to upset or change the dynamic for where the winds are going right now all right not impressed how saying that go quickly michael gove's we got a break know i just want to say that and that one of the things i think that we want to be very careful of is how we characterize how the how the active during the debate. >>i don't think that we should be very we should be throwing around the word like aggressive and i'm like over the guard to a woman candidate and then saying nothing about the male candidate, it at all i think that that they were both aggressive at times i think they're both basement times i think they were both they both had the same likeability are like billy factors matter way was was my

mother you made that point and we'll be back we can talk about that more when we return we'll be bac

>>and welcome back everybody tonight set special edition of inside bay area politics talking about what we like what we didn't like about vice

>>back everybody we've been talking about a debate that some people were saying would be one of the most significant debate of its kind. mixed reactions. i'd have to say from our analysts one of the topics that came up was i would the bidens administration. expand the supreme court was one of the times we weren't really getting clean answers. but let's listen to a little bit of that conversation. hack in the court them. let's talk about that yet and i'm about to. >>so the trump pence administration has been because i sit on the senate judiciary committee says as you mentioned and i've witnessed the appointments for lifetime appointments to the federal courts district courts courts of appeal. >>people who are purely ideological people who have been reviewed by by legal professional organizations and found to have been did not competent are substandard. and do you now, and if the 50 people. president trump

appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black. this is what they've been doing you want to talk about packing a court. let's have that discussion. >>just i just want the record reflects she never answered the question. but you the next debate. joe biden will all right let me go to david david another thing i wanted to hear was they talked about the fact both. >>presidential candidates are basically elderly man. what have they done in terms of planning and you know one of the issues there i know answer there either, but what did you not hear that you would have liked to have heard. >>i think there's a number of things in that if we have a sit-down for bat what we can move through these 9.10 minute segments there's a lot of things that could have been covered i think in greater detail, you could push more about crime i think certainly the administration want to talk about criminal justice reform and criminal justice policy that would certainly be in the wheelhouse of kamala harris but at the same time it's a it's a narrative that the administration has been

pushing you can talk a little bit about more about the environment and go there because a lot of younger voters and 100 voters for example who are listening to crime right now are interested in the environment and how that's changing you could talk a lot more about foreign policy there's a lot of change that's going on and you could have wrapped this up i think into a broader worldview where you see the next 4 years going that 2020 is this coming election of where we head next and where is the united states going where's the society going we see protests in the streets we see a people we see a pandemic and we see an economy that's frankly in tatters and what are you going to do and what is your vision for that to lift people up and move things forward and i'm not sure that we heard any of that and drilled down to detail you can also bet joe binds going to get a question about the supreme court what when and we hold the next presidential debate yessy well lot again tom who are your thoughts. >>my thoughts is in peace to better job chris wallace that route was everybody's as an

intern works in courtrooms. she asked more leading questions send anyone but it was wasn't a single leading question republicans. and we certainly many for her and so once again he we you have a republican to be 2 different people on the but they don't ask questions that are open ended that say why are you here tonight why are you running for president what your vision of the future because these networks are obsessed with their own personal ratings and it's disgusting and it's guy because it is freeing the american system and i just like saying pc pre she a comment made it to me because i actually debated kamala harris and i'm actually debated people on stages and there are leading candidates that are men and women and they are pat. any was good. you had. elizabeth warren i think is the best was the best

democratic to be in a fight criticism from call harris about her is because i'm only person lee not because i need to be attacked for saying the troops. >>all right so michael you don't have long but giving your final >>i think these this debate format need to be changed. this is like a tick tock debate really 1212 seconds on the subject. let's go back to the good old days when it was one debate, one topic that's what they used to in the presidential debates, foreign policy debate, domestic policy debate. this is this is really like for the short attention span theater and it doesn't really developed that the topics that everyone wants a pure about whether it's joe binds policy whether it's whether it's president trump policy just i think that doesn't serve the american people and this kind of debate format cramming 9 subjects and 10 subjects into 90 minutes, 9 seconds in a given item it's just not was kind of hard to follow. let me see the 3 of you because we're out of time but just raise your hand will there be another presidential

debate. >>raise your hand if you think there will be. yes, yes. yes, yes, i think you're all raising your hand michael i you're saying no michael saying no. all right, thank you everybody for joining us for this us special edition of inside bay area politics. want to thank our analyst thank you for joining us.