to that i have one more question this time though you may have was against tracking. he said it i will show that you am against fracking until he got the nomination went to pennsylvania then he said, but you know what pennsylvania he'll be against it very soon because his party is totally against fracking on federal land i said no fracking for oil on federal let me ask question in this section and then i want to move on to our final section. >>president trump people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants in texas, their families who worry the plants near them are making them sick. your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities why should these families give you another 4 years in office the families that we're talking about are. >>employed heavily and they're making a lot of money more money than they've ever made. if you look at the kind of numbers that we produce for hispanic or black or asian. it's 9 times greater the

percentage gain than it was under in 3 years than it was under 8 years. >>of the 2 of them to put it nicely. 9 times more. now. somebody lives i have not heard the numbers are this to test sadistic said you're saying but they're making a tremendous amount of money economically we saved it and i saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic we saved we got say what you want to bet relationship we got saudi arabia mexico and russia to cut back way back we saved real industry and now it's very vibrant a guy everybody is very inexpensive gasoline revise the president biden your response and then we're going to have a final question for both of you fire response is that those people live in what they call fence line she don't understand this. >>they live near chemical plants that in fact clued chemical plants and oil plants and refineries that pollute islip new that when i was growing up in claremont delaware. and all the more oil

refineries in marcus hook in the delaware river then there is any place including a new study at the time. my mom getting a car and wounded when their first frost to drive me school turning which were believe it or slick in the window. that's why so many people in my state dying and getting cancer. the fact is those frontline communities just a matter what your pain and it matters how you keep them safe. what do you do you impose restrictions on the pollution is that if the plumes coming out of those fence line. communities. >>okay, i have one final question close down early fall would you close down the way every transition from their own history. yes. we're trying to ship that is a big statement that's because i would stop why would you do that because the oil industry pollutes significantly i said here's the deal but such a mix of that well if you let me finish a statement. well because it has to replaced by renewable energy over time. over time and i stopped giving to the oil industry i've shot

giving them federal subsidies you won't get federal subsidies to the fake the gas and she me to solar and wind. yeah, why we give it to the oil industry we actually do all right a solar wind. we biggest statement in terms of business that's the as he is going to actually you know industry will you remember that texas we have number that pennsylvania oklahoma's president biden let me give you 10 seconds or so but have to get to the final question vice president biden. >>take everything out of context, but the point is stuck. we have to move toward a net 0 emissions. the first place to do that by the year 2035 is an energy production by 2050 totally all right china is doing that we're finished final question we have ongoing grand jury in paris accord to make china by by what they leadership gentleman and this first question does go to you president trump.

>>imagine this is your inauguration day. what will you say in your address to america to americans who did not vote for you you'll each have one minute starting with we have to make a country. >>totally successful as it was prior to the plate coming in from china. now we're rebuilding it and we're doing record numbers, 11.4 million jobs the short period of time et cetera, but i will tell you go back. before the plane came in just before i was getting calls from people that were not normally people who would call me they wanted to get together we had the best black. unemployment numbers in history of a country hispanic women, asian. people with diplomas with no diplomas mit graduates number one in the class everybody had the best numbers and you know what the other side wanted to get together they wanted to unify success is going to bring us together. we are on the road to success but i'm cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody's taxes. he wants to put new regulations and

everything he will kill it. >>if he gets an you'll have a depression, the likes of which you've never seen your 4 o one k's will go to help and it will be a very very sad day for this country all right. >>vice president biden same question to you what would you say during your inaugural address to americans who did not vote for you how say i mean american president. >>i represent all of you whether you voted for me or against me and i'm going to make sure that you represent it, i'm going to give you hope we're going to move we're going to chew science over fiction. researchers hope over fear, we're going choose to move forward because an enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better. we can grow this economy. we can deal with the systemic racism at the same time we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy creating millions of new jobs. and that's the fact that so we're going to do and i'm going to say as i said

beginning. what is on the ballot here is the character of this country. he says he honor respect treating people with dignity making sure that everyone has an even chance. i'm gonna make sure you get that you haven't been getting the last 4 years. >>all right i want to thank you both for a very robust hour and a half fantastic debate really appreciate it president trump, former vice president joe biden thank you to belmont university for hosting us tonight and most importantly. thank you to those watching tonight election day is november 3rd don't forget to vote. thank you everyone and have a great night. >>election headquarters this is inside bay area politics. >>let me ask you first and they did it we change the policy a spy. we did sent the cages they who built the k gesture of us talk cages locked about we're talking

about. >>hello everybody thank you for joining us for this post-debate edition of inside bay area politics, i'm catherine heenan andrew with from less than 2 weeks to the election. tonight we did see the second the final presidential debate. wrapping up at belmont university in nashville, just moments ago, you're looking live at the scene and this was a last chance for president trump and joe biden too share the stage maybe influence. some undecided voters although they are not a lot of them. joining me are political analyst michael yaki michael is the host of the kron podcast the politically smart ask a professor david mckeown chair of the pali side apartment at sonoma state. and jonathan madison jonathan is a bay area, vice chair of the california republican party hey can i just say mckeown gets extra points for participation. he is teaching a class right now so apparently were part of the class. the president's

advisers told him to cool down to behave tonight and. whether it was that whether it was being nearly 13 feet apart, this was a very different debate gentlemen, let me get your first impressions. michael all start with you. >>the 1st half of debate. i was wondering what exactly the topic was could seem to be basically all about hunter and i think that was a mistake by the president. i mean the president actually did do better you actually like well let's put this up. there was such a low bar considering the first debate. he did much better this time around. i thought he did it had a very strong 2nd half of the debate quite frankly, and in the end that one question at that last question a christian welker about leadership and he just when back to us. it went back to a campaign speech biden took it to the american people i think overall. both did ok jobs i think that on points biden did better. i think that in terms of what the president

needed to do to move the needle that he needs need to do very badly given the fact that he's trailing in the polls. you can get it done. >>all right david what do you think. >>so if you've got 12 days left and you're trying to change the trajectory of this race but you're talking about children in cages at the border without their parents, you're not changing the narrative she not moving the and really this while it's interesting and while there are very few undecided voters, but they do exist. what are folks seen in pennsylvania for example in bucks county water folk scene in florida, the president has to win florida and joe biden needs bucks county pennsylvania. when you look at those 2 areas does searcher jacket retrain change much when you're talking about kids in cages and perhaps that's not the case. we don't know that debates move the needle much as they as the campaign drags on and in some ways when you're spending the first 25 minutes of the debate talking about covid and the

pandemic it is the weight of that that really upsets everything that's going on with the incumbent because it goes to the economy goes to health care it goes to protest in the streets and that makes it very difficult for any incumbent, not just donald trump. >>all right and republicans of course have been saying that president trump needed a strong debate so jonathan did he have that. >>i think you did contrary to doctor mcewen is point i think it is important to narratives here. i mean if anybody on twitter will tell you the main take away from tonight's debate to build the and the president that probably. >>for a good 5 to 10 minutes. and the vice president just did have a response didn't even want to entertain response to that but beyond that i also think it was important for the president to highlight issues for people of color different he talk intelligently when challenged by the vice president. issues of prison reform. mandatory

minimum sentencing, you talk about the first step back. is done a number for people of color in african american communities. i personally worked part time in prison ministry outside of my day job isn't turning. i can tell you the african-american community communities of color been calling for decades for some of the reforms that the president has championed legislation yachts also talk about the effort he made in covid-19 to combat the spread of the virus. and so i think overall i did get a tremendous job defending himself i expected the vice president a lot more especially on the on the top of covid-19 job, the president for not doing a good enough job and didn't have proposal himself when it came down to. >>all right john we'll be back with more highlights more analysis after the break stay with us.

>>solitary person when he was going through his impeachment testifying under oath to work for him said i did my job effectively very question.

didn't have a job for a long time was sadly no longer in the military service i won't get into that. >>and he didn't have a job as soon as he became vice president. but richmond that did this look but not the best reputation in the world. i hear that paid him a 183,000. a month listen to this 183 and they gave him a 3 million dollars upfront pay my right and he had no longer just to let the vice pres. >>all right welcome back to our special edition of inside bay area politics, i'm catherine heenan along with our analyst michael yaki david mckeown jonathan madison. >>yes, we knew the president was going to target biden's family his son hunter in particular in a quite a bit of time on that maybe the bigger question how well did biden handle it. and is this story actually going to hurt biting with undecided voters and michael will go back to you. >>i think that people don't care quite frankly very much, what hunter biden and i really don't think that that that that to as much support i

think the president's attempts continued attempts to try and steer into this. i think we're it's almost self-defeating and i think that biden had a good comeback when he said basically said shows your tax return and sport or stop talking about corruption. but i think that what we're what we're looking at here is it's all about the pandemic and i think what david said is right the first the first 22 minutes we're about the pandemic or about about the virus by traded, jack she steered the questions back to a lot a lot during that time i think that you know i have no idea why the president things that hunter biden is winning winning a angle, i know that he's desperate to try and get william barr or chris for a 2. a launch an investigation into the into the vice president i don't think it's going to happen. so i think it was a wasted opportunity for the president. >>all right david an awful lot of voters are really following or even totally understand the hunter biden conversation, what are your thoughts. >>yes, i think if think about

the last 3 weeks because it will we go back and look at the hunter biden controversy before the democratic convention. look at what happened in august, not a lot of voters are paying attention to that point but hunter biden story wasn't grabbing people. and what i mean by that is it wasn't grabbing and expanding the trump base you've got the base, he's got a tremendous amount of support by republicans but he needs a base plus and obviously in a high turnout election that we're seeing so far you don't see that base plus growing talking about 100 by if you think about the last 3 weeks right that was and we had the first which was just a slugfest and embarrassing then a few days later the president first lady test positive for then the president goes to walter reed returns to the white house and a few days later, we get the first and only vice presidential debate the next day prosecutors are an idea and a and a plan that was going to assassinate the governor of michigan and then you get this an even this when the president returned to the

campaign trail leading us up doing town halls in this whole period of time the narrative has been written that the president is running from behind this tonight change any of that grow the base plus i don't see that happening. jonathan. >>changes things a whole any more than the discussion of the president's tax returns to the vice president joe biden former vice president spent about 15 to 20 minutes just harping on that hoping that something will come of it, turns out the president claimed a previous accident. but i also think that it could spell some implications biden down the road even hunter biden there's a senate investigation scheduled for tomorrow. there's been an interview hunter biden former associate of 100 biden's also some subpoenas towards facebook and twitter investigating us to a story about how there's e-mail substantiating exactly what hunter biden was 80. 10's of millions of dollars under his father's watch you saw a president trump biden the big

man is reference. in the emails and biden didn't say anything to that effect. entering the call mission by science but any you never know what can happen. >>all right and mission by silent. i think it's more i'm more how can you talk about somebody that has absolutely ridiculous is that this is a guy let's let's take a line from president trump. he's been in office 47 years, he's been looked at upside down any number of different races there's been no chance of any personal corruption by joe biden whatsoever. this is just desperate stuff. we know that that we know that soviet that by the soviet union. so that would be so weak in the russians have to want trump to win they know that that he's and he's been warned by his intelligence agencies that rudy giuliani was was a point person for them in terms of feeding this information back to the united states and his only reaction was oh well that's rudy it's again. i

think that at the american people understand the president has a relation but russia i think they are and they understand that he was impeached because he tried to do tried to get the vice president and on this whole burry something and it didn't end entered in stick. then and expect to get the president in trouble so i you know, i mean let's let's just there was talk about the real facts here which which the president who doesn't. he has no plan for the pandemic still that has no plans but the pandemic it's just hoping that there's a miracle vaccine really quick which and even he admitted they only last for months me last night don't know michael so at a do you want to weigh ins or. >>well, i mean look there's a there's a joe and his campaign are putting together a body normalcy a return to normalcy and expectations and that is ruling the day so far that we see with heavy as as we're moving closer and closer to 12 days from an election and then that really i think it's rice to a bigger question. if the president and his team lose if

they're unsuccessful what is the post-trump gop look like which is an interesting question and if democrats lose what's the post biden democratic party look like i think those are both kind of interesting questions for what's coming up because this election is looking that heavy turnout that usually turns out an incumbent. >>all johnson all come back to you after the break, but we'll be back with more highlights more analysis after this break. ♪ 100% beef and hearty chili. try my $5.99 chili cheeseburger combo. it's pretty delicious.

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>>real politics. >>welcome back everybody to tonight's special edition of inside bay area politics we've been talking about a debate that some predicted would be a very significant but on the other hand they're not that many undecided voters out there let me just ask you jonathan i'll start with you did either person benefit from tonight's debate. >>i think so i the president benefit from not only members of his basement, but potentially some undecided votes out there enough about covid-19 and efforts and strategic a stance that he made to combat the spread of the virus to talk to american families and some of the issues that matter to them. but again you also spoke to issues that matter to minorities tonight. i actually kind of a painted a different vice president joe biden's in saying that you know just remind the american people they call a number of minorities and things like a super predators and things

like that and also kind of cast a spotlight some of the previous remarks, the vice president has said the guard to black even suggesting that you were black vote for him. so you know i think that all in all the president did his job. joe biden also appealed to his nation the way that you need to i think so i believe some cat. all right david. >>this race is going to be one in places just outside of philadelphia in pennsylvania, it's going to be one obviously in places like waukesha county or even in iowa or minnesota. and can the president dry out those kind of voters and what we're seeing with the early vote is over 40 million people have already voted that's a big number and democrats have only just started to roll out people like barack obama or even more the former first lady michelle obama with a dwindling amount of time that the president reset the race or change the narrative hard to see that happening out of tonight, joe biden's expectations are different he just had to be. a little bit

mellow check himself a bit on hunter biden and just do fine that's a different set of expectations because the president if you will punch up past his weight class. i don't know that he did that in terms of growing his base but he gave some red meat to his supporters. our michael. >>i think the president has been bleeding heavily ever since the first debate and getting covid i think this debate probably staunch the bleeding so much price stopped the that are that mean going on, but that's not enough to get him to get elected as david pointed out. and that's the poll seen as opposing the show there's a lot of there's a lot of numbers out there that he has to get get back andree convert and i don't know which if this was the performance was going to get it done. i think biden played a little bit to save quite frankly in some ways but in the end. you know this is something where trump really had to i don't like trump could cause makes a difference but he had to make make up a lot of points in in the key swing states. i don't know if

there's enough, but he did tonight to do that i don't know that we can rely on the pole so much to sunshine and very briefly catherine. >>in 2016 you heard from the same rhetoric out there that the poll suggested the president was going to lose to hillary clinton and of course the outcome couldn't see just or different. so i think we just have to place a check on how much you trust in the polls. >>i'm going to run from behind you when you're ready from behind you're going to have to reset the race and when you're explaining as the president often did especially around covid that means you're not so the president's got to grab some of that big mo that bush senior used to talk about and we're not seeing we are seeing voters voting early and often and that's very important this election for ensuring the replay the last 2 weeks and that needs that needs and akamai and that's not going to happen this time around will see they said the same thing in 2016 a large amount of points of after real fast, i'm bringing in david you said earlier we talked this week. >>you don't think this is 2016

when it comes to the polls. no it's not because one thing we have captured more of those working class voters in our we are talking to voters more and look if you want to reset the race you have to grab some of that momentum. hillary clinton ever had 50% even on election day and a composite of all national polls, joe biden has 12 points 11 points, double digits and 50% on multiple polls and on average is so that just shows that it doesn't mean that joe biden winds, it means that the president is running from behind in the midst of covid in and a recession and protest that's not a good place to be when you're the incumbent. these are the conditions under which incumbents lose all right. they're wrapping me this just like half hour show seems to go by about 15 minutes doesn't right. thank you everybody for joining us for this special edition. >>thanks to our analysts and the news at 8 coming up.

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