>> california at a crossroads covid-19. we will be implementing an order requiring masking regardless of vaccination. we've got to get the vaccine great up significantly higher than what we thought the target while fires not escape the flames. >> consume the entire town so fast. >> if i saw it homelessness, it's heartbreaking. >> a bay area has the 3rd largest homeless population in the united states. this is a public health emergency and now a recall election that is nothing more than a partisan power grab. >> gavin newsom has to answer to the people of california tonight. meet the 3 candidates willing to step forward on the

stage together the businessman jotn. it's a choice between the beauty and the beast. former san diego mayor kevin faulconer can clean up california assemblyman kevin kiley finding the governor for much of this year for the next town where they'll face it got to the questions. listen closely to what they say the side of one of these candidates to replace governor newsom. >> this is inside california politics. the governor recall >> ktla in los angeles. many of you may see us weekly on inside california politics will be your host this evening.

>> you'll also be able to follow along. here's a quick rundown of the rules for the you at home know what to expect tonight. each candidate will get 60 seconds to answer

a question. if there is a follow-up or rebuttal. so those are the rules. and now let's get to the first question of the evening. first of all, welcome and. we learned this week that all 3 of you.

>> everybody should get vaccinated. i think that's the way out of this. but i think the answer is to get vaccinated. i think the problem. >> thank you very much. mister faulkner. one. did you get the vaccine. what is your message to the hesitant. much mister

kiley. same question. when did you get the vaccine and what is your message to the on.

last october when he thought it was good politics. gavin newsome casts doubt on the vaccine. he said that we couldn't take the fda's work. we had the slowest roll out in the nation. the governor did not prioritize seniors. a vaccine advisory committee.

now with respect to other vaccines. the fact is the prior to just a few years ago.

that's not just vaccines. against vaccines in principle but may. >> it came to those kind of vaccines as well. the state legislature made california national outlier.

>> this vaccine has not yet been approved by the fda. and again, i think it gets back to the trust issue as well. the mmr vaccine has been. you know, we've been through flu epidemics before and we've never mandated the flu vaccine. parental choice is a real important thing here. i hope we get a chance to talk about. parental choice for all parents because they found out that they didn't really have much.

>> i think the fda approved it. i think a lot more people would feel more comfortable getting it. >> i think you still have the problem is element. i was point out that there's some people that have. we've only done that once with the smallpox vaccine, which was a 100 times more lethal than covid and didn't have animal reservoir. >> newsome is requiring that all students and teachers. our question tonight. would you allow local school districts.

harms to a child's development.

>> yes, the answer is that i would not be actively deny that. >> okay. thank you, mister. how about you? would you allow local school districts to make that decision. so again, the. >> i want to dictate everything down to the local level. and so i would favor.

>> local school districts. i would like to see school choice. local school districts.

>> well, i'm the only businessman up here and i would tell you that a business should be allowed to do whatever they want in terms of sir. courage. any business

from doing. i think a business that does that. what a

governor certainly could do. >> as roll back the steps that california is taking towards a government. just today the governor came out and announced that we're going to start become the only state in the county, but he emphasized that the only state in the country. there's requiring public events. california has been a national outlier. a recent call-up inside california politics. in

response to this crisis. governor newsom recently signed a bill. >> authorizing 12 billion dollars for housing and support for the homeless. it's the largest allocation of state funding to the homeless issue. governor newsome has done to address the. plans streets streets to shelter approach. i have a follow-up

for you so that we can get.

mister kiley. you're in favor of creating more shelters in treatment programs. how would you address those people who are not interested in a treatment. to answer your question directly under the 9th circuit. a member of the

legislature for 5 years. you mention the 12 million dollars in additional billion dollars in additional funding this.

>> you call your plan to reduce homelessness. can you define treatment and what would happen to those folks who refused to come. >> career politicians in the celebrities in the insiders who have controlled the state for so long and illustrated. you know, one of their worst. i was driving down imperial boulevard in san diego the other day and the tents are all over the. forced him to

get treatment. i'm a businessman. i want to use common sense. not just treat the symptoms. in other states. what it cost to build in california. largest tax

decrease in california history, 30 billion dollars. 25%. >> regarding the minimum wage equipment or wage ought to be 0. what is 3rd party have to do with how to can sitting people decide to exchange services for money.

>> i support some level about their, you know, full price of a floor for. >> i'm going to take issue with your premise. by the way.

undecided as running away with this race. mister elder isn't ok. you know what academic debate. but you know. shortage of labor right now is such that people don't have to worry about the middle. mister newsome is using this in his advertising. he's ignoring the fact that he can't produce electricity. he can't produce water. he can't predict people from one wildfires that are threatening their existence. a struggle to survive in this economy in california. we've got great weather, but it's not gonna hold people for here forever. if these politicians keep talking about these issues that that really, you know, don't matter to most people.

>> you're all republicans and former president trump may be the republican nominee for president in 2024 voters want to know where you stand on the former president if he runs again. do you intend to vote for. >> for a show of hands. first picks. tell us whether you intend to. so first a show of hands. will you vote for mister trump for president. >> chance. i'll give you the chamber says joe is easy. look

at what happened. just don't we won't. we won't go for the hand but will go for the explanation. mister, your first you have 30 seconds to you. queen him a joe biden. look at look at what we're doing. we're we're piling more debt on our children. we just afghanistan and. >> will you vote.

>> you very much. mister kiley, you have 30 seconds. 6. my position has been very consistent since i was elected.

>> it's just antithetical to actual changes. you know, protecting people and that's what government's role is protecting. very much mister faulkner. would you use.

>> same question. mister kiley, would you use state funding. i certainly do

whatever i could within the constraints of state power. now, i will say. lot south that has sort of been the biggest casualty.

>> you know, families and entrepreneurs small businesses that were open and close, as i

said, 5 in 6 different times because of the change in metrics that we got from this governor. can follow along like we're actually any business. could that change in those first was on geographic color coats. it was handled terribly. and so there's real consequences of this. and so that's why you're seeing are latino families who want a leader who's going to stand up support our small businesses who is going to support keeping our kids in school and will give them a choice on whether kids should go to school. >> we need more parents will choice. we need to support charter schools. >> in california. when we do that, you're going to lift up all kids. >> from all backgrounds. a follow-up on that. just more specifically. in your first term. if you become governor, what specifically would you do to reach out to the 39% of the population of. >> so we're going to be a choice and schools. we have a governor that's going to understand how important it is to actually provide and promote and give you opportunities to be you're going to have a governor that's going to lower the tax burden on you because our

middle class families are latino families are paying too much in taxes to sacramento. it's very simple. economics. and again, that's why so many families are leaving california because of how expensive it is and so if we don't change that dynamic, we're going to continue to see that bird, not families. >> the families all across california thank you. mister kiley. >> same question to you. what do you think is the biggest issue facing the latino community. and what would you do to fix it. you have 60 seconds. i began my career as a high school teacher in south la and 70% of my students were letting out and the lock of educational opportunity is. absolutely. i think the most important issue and you know, the mayor is correct. that folks in underserved communities that just fell off the map. never even signed enough resume school. and i can tell you, though, the problems and preexisting that the average reading level of my 10th graders when they came into my classroom was 5th grade, even prior to covid california ranked 49th out of 50 states in terms of

education outcomes in low income communities. so i came to the legislature to try to fight for educational equity and opportunity. if every attempt i've made has been snuffed out by the big-spending special interest in our capital, the teachers unions and they give more money to gavin newsome than anyone else. so he came into office. jerry brown that had a more balanced approach but once again, news was that was open the war on charter schools picked he signed legislation that was i condemned by civil rights groups like chapters of the naacp and the urban league and it's for that same reason that he shut down our schools. what that mean? been a factor on it. >> so let's say you do become governor, you mentioned trying to get worked on the legislature. umesh mentioned special interests. how would a republican governor work with the balance that you would have to with super majorities in the democratic party to get what you're talking about. done. you 30 seconds. i first say the era of corruption is over. the people of california have spoken seek to spread my model and only having citizen

back to legislators, not legislators. who are controlled and funded almost by special interest groups. but for my 5 years in the legislature seen that the one thing legislators respond to his political pressure. the fear of losing their job and if they see the governor has just lost his job and they'll be a unique opportunity to bring about fundamental change on issues like education reform and school choice. >> thank you, mister, same question to you. what would you do to reach out to the latino community and fix the problems that they face of 60 seconds and the pot, a woman that he my mother spoke spanish like a native and she taught. >> porch own in chile. my mom was a school teacher raises a single mom in the streets of chicago and i start at the bottom and i got a good education. and then i got the opportunity to start my own business. that's what the latino families need in california and every family needs that in california. but the politicians, the celebrities, the insiders have denied them that they take them for granted. they give

them little checks here and there. and then they give them m a substandard school system and then they throw roadblocks in the way you can start a business in the state of your an bench. you have to go through miles and miles of documents and hire lawyers and accountants. most people can't do that. have a license to norris shampoo hair in california. this is nonsense. we've got to make it easier for people to get a great education school choice is absolutely what i argue for and we need to make sure that people can start the success. >> and get the american dream like i've had to this a follow-up here. you say education. >> and regulation 30 seconds. absolutely. education is absolutely key. you have to you have to have a good education. >> but we also have to cut the regulations that restrict people from opening their own businesses. the volume of lawsuits and regulations and bureaucratic mess that the governor of the state. we're going to slash regulation.

we're going to make it easier for people to start businesses because small businesses, the engine, it's the way that people can start at the bottom like i did and rise in and get that piece of the american dream. and i want every latino family and a >> to have the same opportunity that i frank. >> right now the largest single fire in state history. the dixie fire is in northern california. much of the state is in extreme drought climate. scientists believe that human-caused warming is at least partly to blame mister kiley. do you believe in human caused climate change and what would you do to reduce the number and severity of the fires that we face here in california you have 60 seconds. well, i first want to send my thoughts and prayers to all the first responders for fighting these catastrophic wildfires and of course, climate change is a factor, but the expert consensus would say that is by no means the primary for example, about you can look to the creek fire last year which ravaged choose parts of fresno and madera counties. but it's

pair to forest around shaver lake which emerged unscathed. it wasn't because climate change was somehow less of an issue and that forest was because not forest have been properly managed strategically and remove the oldest trees. they cleared out underbrush with methods prescribed burns. and so if other forest in california where manage the same way we wouldn't be having these catastrophic events with the regularity that we do as it is. we have 15 to 20 million acres of overgrown forests in california. and the fact of the matter is that there are only 2 ways that would comes out of the forest either. it's harvested or burned or it burns. and for some reason we stop harvesting it. you know, our amount of water taking out of the forest is about one-fourth of what used to be. and that's why they've become tinder boxes because we've thrown all these regulations to actually removing timmer. ask you a follow-up related to climate change and emissions. >> as you know, governor newsom issued an executive order to reduce admit emissions in our state. >> by mandating that all cars sold cars and trucks sold in

california. >> have 0 emissions by 2035, do you agree with that executive order and what would you do to reduce emissions in california. we're going to be a full 60 seconds. thank you. i do not agree with that for one reason because the legal authority to issue. it is quite questionable. the legislature actually considered similar measure and it didn't pass it. this is the governor just went ahead and did it unilaterally. but the reality is that when you have these catastrophic wildfires, it totally wipes out any gains you have from california's emission reduction policies, for you know, all of the missions that we saved through policy interventions in 2017, there were 9 times more emissions from the fires that followed in 2018. so the best thing you can possibly do for the air for climate change, for environment is to take the steps that are necessary to stop these catastrophic wildfires. i will say at the same time that the future of clean energy, the future is clean energy and it's a very exciting one that california is ushering in us into that future in the most ham-handed of ways we're throwing out all these regulations that have made energy costs more here than anywhere. and when it

comes to renewables, we're picking winners and losers losers for example, hydro and nuclear. don't count for some reason, even though their emissions free what we should be doing. also is investing in new technologies. incurring kylie, thank you, mister will ask you both questions. first. do you believe in human caused climate change. >> and what would you do to reduce the number and severity of the fires we face. you have 60 seconds for that. this is, again, one of the areas where the politicians in the insiders and the celebrities that have run the state into the ground have have had tragic consequences. >> i'm not interested in just throwing out thoughts and prayers to the people who are suffering the fires as well as the firefighters were doing this. i want real help for a change. we have to manage the forest better. there's no question about that. i agree with some women. kylie, we also have to revive the timber industry is absolutely right. not only the overgrown forests are bad for people and for the fires are also banned for so let's make sure that we do that. but the other thing is we have to be able to respond

to these fires when they happen. we've been letting them turn into infernos where they create their own wind and they have destructive consequences. and you know what this ends up in the cost of living for everybody to because our insurance premiums go up across. i've said that what we need to do is take some of that money from that bullet train, which i will end day one and use it to buy airplanes and put tanks so that we can get these fires before they become infernos. >> the problems that just sit there and complain about climate change. let me ask you the same follow-up about the executive order from governor newsom on emissions. 0 emissions for all cars and trucks sold by 2035. >> do you agree with that and what would you do to reduce emissions in our state 62nd. i absolutely want a air. i won the cleaner. california want a cleaner world for that matter. but we don't have enough electricity to run the small number of electric cars we have now, i don't know how we're going tothave enough electricity for 25 million electric cars. that's a pipe

dream. we need to produce electricity off. we'll talk about that. but, you know, if we want to talk about pollution. china and india are throwing so much carbon into the atmosphere. that's more than the rest of the world combined. they're burning call. why? because that's all they have. we have tons of natural gas as a transition to a clean energy future. we can get better. solar better storage other sources of energy. we should produce the natural gas that california has. we should have liquefied natural gas facilities that ship natural gas to china and india so that they stop using dirty filthy call. we will clean the air all in the whole planet. if we did that will open up a lot of money for jobs for people in california. mister, thank you, mister faulkner. same question is do you believe. >> in human caused climate change and what would you do to reduce the number and severity of the fires that we face here in california 60 seconds. the climate change is

real. i hope we can all agree that the climate in california is changing. but that's not an excuse not to take action. i'm going to put california on a war footing when it comes to wildfire prevention. lives are at stake. literally lives are at stake. and the fact that we had a governor that last year actually cut funding from the cal fire wildfire preparedness. but a governor who came out and misled californians about the number of acres that he said was treated that actually wasn't. you can't do that. i say we're going to declare a state of emergency. i'm going to cut through all of the bureaucracy the regulations, the gavin newsome said were prevented them from doing what's right and what is that? this actually clearing the brush getting rid of reduction of the fuel management and going in there now not years from now. it's about giving homeowners that incentive than a tax incentive to actually do the home harney that will help. it's about taking action. you can just look at what's happening in california say, well, i'm going to blame it on climate change, but you

didn't do the before we move to the follow-up that i asked the your rivals here. >> you said climate change is real. are you saying it's human caused climate change is real. he was a hoax. humans are absolutely part of our emissions and and all of that. but the second part of your question is what should we do about that. to reduce it in the atmosphere right. well, you've got to build while. let me ask me, ask you about the executive order. 0 emissions by 2035 don't you agree with that. and secondly, what would you do i don't. and here's why. because what we need to do. and yes, we don't have the electric grid. all that. what we should be doing is providing the incentives and the entrepreneurs. the california technology is so great and actually leads the nation in the world with. but how do we actually reduce those emissions now and we need to build houses closer to where we want it, which is in transit corridors and freeways instead of what we're seeing and urban sprawl across the state. gavin newsom declares himself. the housing czar. but as an actually taken the steps to actually build the

affordable homes. >> close to where we need them for california. families. >> i will do that. thank you, mister faulkner before we come to a close tonight. each of you will have a chance to give a closing statement. mister who will go first 30 seconds. >> california is a miss manage mess. the career politicians, the insiders and the celebrities we've elected have run the state into the ground. imagine a state where you can get an affordable house where you don't have to trip over homeless people live down the street where we can have adequate electricity and water were not paying huge taxes where we, you know, don't have to worry about crime and wildfires. we can do that. other states around the country of elected business, governors and they're the most popular governors. >> in the country. california is on that. >> all right. now we go to mister fokker. you 30 seconds. well, thank our state's a very difficult time. i took over san diego it very difficult time and i would ask all of our viewers watching tonight, whether you're a republican, a democrat.

>> independent. i asked for your help and support as we bring our state together and turn around. i'm ready to bring my experience, my tenacity and getting results for the issues that we care about reducing homelessness like we did in san diego standing up against the defund. the police movement and making california more affordable. if you believe we need to do that. >> i ask for your vote tonight. mister faulkner, thank you. mister kiley, you have 30 seconds. i talked to so many people around our state or just so frustrated with the direction of our government. how did our beautiful state good to be last and everything. and if you're one of them, but let's say you're reluctant to let a cross party lines than the recall is for you because you're not signing on for 4 years. you're signing on for one year. so take a chance on change and see if things improve, they don't. you can always vote for return to the way things are next year. but i think you will see major improvements in the quality of your life because my administration will be about back to basics pave our roads store water manage our forests. main and our police do the things government is

supposed to do. mister kiley, thank you very much. and thanks to all of you for participating in the debate this evening to you and thank you for watching at home. we'll see this weekend. and every weekend on inside california politics.