supported bernie sanders proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government run health care system. >> 2 years later, you propose a plan that included a private insurance option. what is your plan today? >> well, first of all, i absolutely support. and over the last 4 years as vice president private health care options. but what we need to do is maintain and grow the affordable care act. but i get to that. lindsay. i just need to respond to previous point that the former president has made made very clear my position on fracking. and then this business about taking everyone's guns away. walz and i are both gun owners were not taking anybody's guns away. so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. as it relates to the affordable care act. understand, let's just look at the history to know where people stand when donald trump was president. 60 times he tried to get rid of the affordable care act 60 times. i was a senator. >> at the time when i will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the united states

senate and the late great john mccain. so you have disparaged. as being you don't like him. you said at the time because he got caught. he was an american hero. the late great john mccain. i will never forget that night. walked onto the senate floor and said, no, you don't. no, you don't. no, you don't get rid of the affordable care act. you have no plan and what the affordable care act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. i have to tell people watching tonight you remember what that was like. remember when an insurance company could deny. if a child had asthma. if someone was a cancer survivor, if if a grand parent had diabetes and thankfully, as i've been vice president and we over the last 4 years have strengthen the affordable care act. we have allowed for the first time medicare to negotiate drug prices. on behalf you, the

american people, donald trump said he was going to allow medicare to negotiate jet drug prices. he never did. we did. and now we have kept the cost of insulin at $35. a month since i've been vice president, we have kept the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2000 a year. and when i am president, we will do that for all people understanding that the value i bring to this. access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. and the plan has to be to strengthen the affordable care act, not get rid of it. that's pres dent terms of where donald trump stands on that. i want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of the stake. >> at number one, john mccain obama care 10 years, but it wasn't only him. it was all of the democrats that kept it going. and you know what? we could do much better than obamacare, much less money, but she won't improve private insurance that people private

medical insurance. that's another thing she doesn't want president pay privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private. she wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait 6 months for an operation that you need to meet president trump. thank you. we have another issue that would like to get to. that's important for a number of americans in particular younger voters and that's climate change. >> president trump with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water. vice president harris, you call climate change existential threat. the question to you bowl tonight is what would you do to fight climate change? and vice president harris will start with you one minute for uh. >> well, the former president as climate change is a hoax. and what we know is that it is very real. you ask anyone who lives in a state was experience these extreme weather occurrences who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up. you ask anybody who has the victim of what that means

in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. we know that we can actually deal with this issue. the young people of america care deeply about this issue. and i'm proud that as vice president over the last 4 years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. while i have been vice president, we have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world. donald trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs. he lost manufacturing jobs and i'm also proud to have the endorsement of the united auto workers and shawn fain who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in american made products. american automobiles. it includes growing what we can do around american

manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them. like happened under donald trice. president harris, thank you. it didn't happen. and to donald trump. let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs. >> this last month it's going they're all leaving. they're building big auto plants in mexico. in many cases owned by china that building these massive plans and they think they're going to sell their cars into the united states because of these people. >> what they have given to china is unbelievable, but we're not going to let that will put tariffs and those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the united auto workers and any auto worker, whether it's in detroit or south carolina or any other place, what they've done to business and manufacturing in this country harmful. we have nothing because they they refuse, you know, biden does it go after people because supposedly china paid him millions of dollars. he's afraid to do it between him and his son. they get all this money from ukraine. they get

all this money from all of these different countries. and then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one that one, ukraine, china. >> why is why did he get 3 and a half million dollars from the mayor of moscow's wife? why did he get? why did she 3 and a million dollars. this is a cricket administration and this country down the tubes. president trump, thank you. thank you. >> we'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates. an historic night. this abc news presidential debate from philadelphia. back in a moment. >> the abc news presidentia

>> live from the national constitution center in philadelphia, pennsylvania, here again, david, new york and lindsey davis. >> welcome back. tonight. the time has come for closing statements and vice president harris, we begin with you. >> so i think you've heard tonight, 2 very different visions for our country. one that is focused on the future. and the other that is focused on the past. and then attempt to take us backward. but we're not going back. and i do believe that the american people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us and we can chart a new way forward. if vision of that includes having a

plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes the ambition of the american people, which is why i intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses in new families and what we can do around protecting seniors. what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break in bringing down the cost of living. i believe and what we can do together that is about sustaining america's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve includi, respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. i will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government teller. what to do. i'll tell you, i started my career as a prosecutor. i was a da. i was an attorney general, united

states senator and now vice president of only have one client, the people. and i'll tell you, as a prosecutor, i never asked a victim or witness. are you a republican or a democrat? the only thing ever asked them, are you okay? and that's the kind of president we need right now. someone who cares about you and he's not putting themselves first. i intend to be a president for all americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 20 years to build back up our country by ingesting right now in you, the american people. >> vice president harris, thank you. president trump. >> so he just started by saying she's going to do this. he's going to do that. she's going to all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for 3 and a half years. they've had 3 and a half years to fix the border. they've had 3 and a half years too create jobs at all. the things we talked

about, why hasn't she done it? she should leave right now. go down to that beautiful white house. go to the capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do. but gavin done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the american people don't believe in. you believe in things like we're not going frack, we're not going to take fossil fuel. we're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not, germany tried that. and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants were not ready for. we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision. but i just ask one simple question. why didn't she do it? we're a failing nation. we're a nation that's in serious decline were being left at all over the world all over the world they left. i know the lead is very well. they're coming to see me. they call me. we're left at all over the world. they don't understand what happened to us is a nation when not a leader.

we don't have any idea what's going on. we have wars going on in the middle east. we have wars going on with or a shia and ukraine were going end up in a 3rd world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons. the power of weaponry. i rebuilt our entire military. she gave a lot of it away to the taliban. she gave it to afghanistan. what these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people that come into our country. many of criminals and they're destroying our country. the worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country. president trump, thank you. and that is our abc news presidential debate from here in philadelphia at the national constitution center. >> i'm lindsey davis and i'm david moore. thank you for watching here in the u.s. and all over the world. and from all of us here at abc news, good night.

>> hello, everybody. thank you for joining us for our special coverage of the presidential debate. i'm catherine heenan. we just heard from vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump in their first may be their only debate. i'm going to ask the panel about that. so let me introduce the panel starting with our political analyst michael yaki, jonathan madison, former vice chair of the bay area republican party. thank you for coming jonathan and david mcewan. david is chair of the political science department at sonoma state. all right. i heard you saying a reunion of the 3 amigos. it is kind of all right. we are we watch this thing play out. we went into it after being told 800 times that she will harris was being coached to try to get under trump's skin, try to make a mad he was being coached. don't take the bait. so how did that play well, it was kind of like the convention speech. the first. >> 10 minutes. we're actually you staying on message. then her repeated sort of need to

leave him, got under his skin and then it just sort of went on from there. he was taking extra time with the to to rebut everything that she said. i think when you're spending a lot of time for budding, you're actually not doing a very good job attacking so. i think to that extent, her strategy really worked. jonathan, what did you think? yeah, you're right on youtube debate that he didn't necessarily have to enough. yes, i think his first and last moments in the debate with his best and we were just sitting here talking about the fact that. >> why did he say those things? you know, hour ago, you said talk about the fact that look, are you better off now than you were 4 years ago to the american people? why hasn't she done any of the glorious thing she talked about over the last 3 and a half years where she been. problem is it's a little too late, too too little too late in the debate. but the bigger part of this, i think mike will agree this debate was really about kamala. everybody knows and knows who trump people who is. nobody knows

who kamala israeli or when she's really done over the last 3 and a half years. so i don't if she accomplished her goal of conveying to the american people. here's who i am. here's what i've done for the last 2 and a half years in this one about. all right. so the first 30 minutes are like he first 10 minutes takes a little while to warm up trump's in gear. >> and then there is like a flipper switch and he starts going off to a certain degree. the last 2 minutes his clothes. he talks about what he should have been hitting over and over again. and he kept going after her unnecessarily, which elevates her and the test is she presidential and she looked like that partly because he looked self-absorbed and going back over and over again. and when you come back to this, the last 2 minutes of the debate, there aren't as many eyeballs watching and that's a loss for him overall. yeah, we're sorry, michael, going see what's interesting is that the is that the first 2 topics, each candidate strongest. the first topic was economy and but as john said, and we were talking about this. she is the curse of

being the vice president, which is everything that people had problem with joe biden. trant can transfer to her pretty easily. trump in an ok job. i would call it a draw because she did some good things he this week then she kind of talked about having a plan and no one to him. she was accused not having one, but then the second the second was abortion. and she just took that and ran with it. right. and and and and it it started to flip that script and she was able to use that asserts are needling needling trump and getting under his skin and then it just sort of escalated from there. all right. just to give people a little taste of the exchange yesterday, talked about abortion, which can be a. >> a tricky issue for republicans, but clearly abortion opponents are going to vote for harris. i was going to ask that gives trump some room to maneuver, but i don't know. let's just let people hear the abortion discussion. >> you should ask. will she

allow abortion in the 8th month? 9th month, 7th on, ok, would you do that? what question to you is that president, would you go row of and the question you to detail could do abortions in the 7th, but the 8th month, the 9th. but trent probably have to just look at the governor, former governor of virginia, governor of virginia said we put the baby a site and then we determine what we want to do with the bases and trump. thank you. >> all right. jonathan, what should he have done? what did he do that e? >> we know. i think his rhetoric was obviously grand-scale pretty high. i mean, he was very obviously agitated. the one way to describe it. but i don't think he needed to use that kind of rhetoric to convey his message and his point because point was that there are some practitioners out there the way to a very, very long time. and there's some certain policy makers in this country that preferred to have abortions at a later stage of the pregnancy. i think that's

what he was trying to convey. and unfortunately, it got lost in a lot of the translation. i think a lot of his ego for being transparent about it and you'll come on the other hand, i think she accomplished what joe biden couldn't in his debate with president trump when they came to the subject matter. but i think it's just unfortunate. i think the president snow kind of fell into that. that baiting stage and this was the result kind of. yeah. yeah. when you think the gender gap is the largest that we've seen in a presidential election, there's nothing in that conversation in that answer of donald trump's that helps the gender gap for him. >> if anything, it exacerbates it and part of the reason is donald trump hasn't had one position on abortion. is that every position on abortion for his political life for what he's done and that transfer to other issues. he wants to take a leadership issue, for example, on ivf. he also talked to his running mate to make sure they're on the same page that are not on the same page. there's all this rhetoric that the trump campaign has. it is inconsistent. it's that lack

of consistency. less than 60 days in the kind of makes it look like his heart's not in they aren't consistent and whole and that is hurting them. yes, multiracial woman. this is a problem in terms of what democrats have in terms of gender and racial bias. but tpdonald trump doesn't have a consistent message to take advantage of this. what what this race close. one last thing on the abortion issue. remember that abortion is on the ballot in florida, nevada and arizona and everything that donald trump said tonight is going to make people who want to vote. on those measures. thank you. or pro reproductive rights who are pro abortion. pro. a woman's right to choose. they're going to remember that river bring in their brain when they're thinking about who they're going to vote for president as well. and that i think was a very bad, think for donald trump tonight debuts david, you mentioned the gender bias, racial bias and talked yesterday. you said.

>> look, she's re energize party in the campaign, but she has to do a lot better to make up for racial and gender. but to clean that swing states you that's that's a chance to do. and she's not quite there. can she use this to lift perhaps by a point or 2 that still puts her in the margin error of a lot of what's going on. >> and donald trump has a conversion election. democrats have a base plus election and that base plus election is about enthusiasm about getting out there. trump needs to convert and there's 4 or 5 people who haven't been converted this election. i'm not sure that tonight really got in there. >> yeah, i mean, i also think that that's one of comedy's biggest problems is that she still has this gender gap. this racial bias gap. and even you ask people in the ity how they feel about her by a large is that even while she worked the state of california coming up, she prosecuted unfairly a number of african-american males for nonviolent crimes mean that's that's pretty much

the rumor out there among the african-american population. you ask a lot of people. so just a message they can take advantage of that. we're not doing that. i'm not talking about the consistency of the message. i'm just saying what she has to overcome right now. >> and these are biases that have been a place for years. you know. >> back to willie brown days. so i think, >> you know, given all of the things that she has, the tools at her disposal, the fact that she's been in the white house for the last 3 and a half years. she has a wide gap to overcome. i thought this debate she would take advantage of an opportunity to clear up some of the flip-flopping. you heard earlier in the debate, president said he had get your mega had about that was created was kind like a ploy. but there was some truth to it. no, at no point in the debate kamala actually explain why she flip-flopped on issues like border security on the war. but with none of that. she just point the finger at donald trump cleverly and he took the bait. but no, nobody would tell you in this debate

that, you know more about how kamala harris stands on positions of policy than they did yesterday. >> so let me ask so that the trump dedicated supporters to daycare. no. but what about the persuadable voters? you and i will talk about that this week, too. did you hear anything that might have got somebody to jump in and change their mind? >> you know, i was i was thinking about this. i was thinking. possibly one thing that to me came out of this debate. if you are, if you're so it was just sort of knew into this game, which is. you look at donald trump, you're going what the heck is he talking about? always talking about. amber lee. illegal immigrants out there eating your dogs and your cat and things like that. i mean, there there was a sort of surplus. a verbiage in and and exaggeration that if you're just coming in, we kind of which may turn you off now, does it turn you want a comma? i don't come here i don't

know. and i think one of the things that david said earlier that that as always been to me, the key point how kamala harris can win is putting back together the obama coalition and then one key area that obama had that so far, no one has said kamala harris has yet young people. the young people just embraced obama and came out in droves for ya, we're not quite seen that. same. excitement and and and i think part is that is she has tried this very fine line between the fact that she is a vice president. and and yet. not disavowing everything that that president biden has done. let me turn, david, you since we did talk about persuadable voters at length and who they are. >> yeah. so did you see any meat there for soo >> make up their mind? okay. so it's really hard for this taking 34 demographic to stay in this place. so you're going to proxies and those proxies

obviously are the beehive in the swifties, ok, you're going to do that after this debate to get, you know, reason to have a second debate. >> but as you're also doing that and look at that, you've got to kenp their attention. and that means student to come up. but they kind of come up derisively. donald trump says a few things about that. that's not squarely. it is about a vision thing can you get past your student loan and afford the american dream that specificity might help you if you're interested in starting a small business talking, the margins came here and those people are way out on the margins in those aren't driver issues and you try to steer away from gaza. the discussion about gaza, which has been a huge deal for 18 to 34 year-olds to see it as a social justice issue. well, not leaving israel's support for israel. all of that is the dance that kamala has. she doesn't do enough on that specific ce are there. and i think that's part of the strategy moving forward while still using proxies to dry out those 18 34 year-olds to draw that persuasion. plus, jonathan, things interest and it's great point michael

brought up here because if you look at all polls, they suggest. >> this is very much a change election just as much as it was in 2008, just as much as it was in 2020. so, you know, the is the election right for the younger generation to come out. it absolutely is why they're missing is the real possible in the room, if you will. and, you know, i mean, kamala has the backing president barack obama. it all up. you know, she has the backing of the current president wherever he you know. and so i think that because she has all this fuel at her disposal is just confusing why the younger community has really come out and shown up like they do barack obama. yeah, i'm just wondering if the people who love com or love kamala tonight and the people who love trump still of trump, you know, it's hard we only have about 90 seconds. let me ask you this. >> does anybody get a bump? like i think that if a draw was going to be a trump win, i actually don't. i don't know if kamala harris won the

debate, but i do think trump may have lost the debate. jonathan, i don't think either loss depends i to find a win or a loss. >> definitely don't think trump last the debate, but i definitely don't think kamala one, kamala winning would have been conveying to the american people who she is. >> and 48 hours, we know it takes a little bit of time for their the reason voter to kind of settle in here. it'll show 1.1 and a half point someshere in there for kamala across certain demographic subgroups. is that enough? that's still not in a place where she needs to be. all right. but if it if there's any question about kamala harris being able to stand up there and slug, she obviously did that. all right. i'm being told 40 seconds. >> will there be another debate? should there be another debate, michael? i think there should be. will there be probably not. definitely should be. should be. there absolutely should be. yeah, but that will there be is the question. and though trump wants quick. there should be there won't be.

>> okay. that's good. probably sums it up. >> all right, everybody, thank you so much for joining us. we will have more on the debate on kron. 4 news tonight at 10 11. thanks so much for joining us. have a good night. ♪ this is cool. i didn't know there was a book of hundreds of tattoos you could pick from. i want a tattoo of all the boys in bts.