from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday evening. this morning a huge american the attack there. in lower manhattan, observed a moment of silence at 8:46 a.m. eastern time, marking the moment when the first plane flight 11 flew into the north tower of the world trade center. immediately afterwards, as they do every year, relatives began reading the names of the victims of the attacks at the world trade center.

>> all told, there are six moments of silence this morning, including one for the crash of flight 93 in shanksville, pennsylvania. president obama is making remarks at the pentagon and he's already observed another moment of silence at the white house. we have a lot to get to including the latest on the presidential campaign. slew of new polls and interviews with jay johnson and one of the bush administrations supporters of the war in iraq that was prompted by the 9/11 attacks. brokaw who was on the air when he realized america was under attack and here we are 15 years later, presidential campaign in the backdrop. donald trump and hillary clinton are both there this morning. what a difference 15 years makes. >> well, it was 15 years ago it became one of the worst days in american history.

the wrong place. there were no weapons of mass destruction. it's been costly. 4500 americans have died in the war and a cost within the drills of dollars. the early projections will recapture all the expenses from the oil fields. we know that what we have now is a very destabilized middle east. isis grew out of that and the consequences play out every day, not only that, chuck, it was the beginning of a lot of disarray in america, >> 9/11 before 9/11 there was personal harbor day december 7th and i was i thinking where was america 15 years after pearl harbor? there was a sense of we won. here we are 15 years later on 9/11 and it's on going. >> i think that all the confusion and that distant place for the reasons that are hard for the americans to understand that culture and the political tensions that exist there have made this presidential election what it is.

feeling and a lot of anger because they say wait a minute, this has not turned out the way we were told it would. >> we are going to be also pausing for a moment of silence in new york city for 9:03 eastern and marks the moment when flight 175 hit the south tower.

>> tom, this will be the last presidential election where everybody who votes was alive during 9/11. so we're now going to have to teach people what 9/11 was all about. how does that conversation go? >> i think part of the problem we're going through right now is there confusion how this one has turned out and we are not only dealing with the middle east but obviously putin is a much bigger player since that time and as we saw in the last four or five days, he's entered this race and what is going on in the ukraine and crimea, all that fuels, i think, the sense of things are not what they are supposed to be. now what we were told they were going to be. so i don't remember in my 50 years of covering presidential politics, such an unsettled

9/11, as well as the current presidential campaign throughout this hour. earlier today i spoke with homeland security secretary joe johnson standing a few blocks north of the new world trade center. let me start with a new grim poll number. the majority of americans say we're less safe today than 9/11. why do americans feel this way you think? >> that's a good question, chuck. am in orlando. they have seen the attack in san bernardino and see what is happening overseas and western europe and france and belgium and elsewhere and they are rightly concerned about our current security environment. we're safer now when it comes to another 9/11 style attack but we're challenged when it comes to the prospect of the home grown violent extremists and

participation and vigilance. >> i never categorized as anything of low priority but we have to look at what is high risk and spend our time accordingly. so what does that mean? is there just some holes that will always be there in our security system? >> no, i wouldn't put it that way at all. we've got people devoted to manner of threats out there. invariably the high probability type of threat, another san bernardino, another orlando is uppermost on our minds. it is the thing that keeps me up at night the most, but we've got threats from cybersecurity. we've got a mission devoted to

a dirty bomb. we've got to keep our eye on all of it but obviously, there are things that are higher probability but higher impact and we've got to keep our eye an all of it. >> are you concerned that syria today is as unstable and as much of a safe haven for terrorists as afghanistan was in the late '90s and should that concern us considering what afghanistan brought or what happened inside of should we be concerned what is happening in syria could lead to a new 9/11? >> chuck, i said in february 2014 that syria had become a matter of homeland security. our u.s. military along with the international partners have done a good job o taking back military, taking out the leaders of isil, taking out those focused on external attacks but yes, we have to be concerned

afghanistan. any time a terrorist organization can establish territory, take territory, have a place to head quarter, to train, recruit, that's obviously a big concern and it's a big homeland security concern, yes, sir. >> one of the other things you've been having to talk about and deal with lately is the threat or perceived threat to the election system, russia, apparently is trying to infiltrate in someway but are they trying to create actual havoc or are they trying to >> well, the investigation into the various intrusions we have seen including the dnc hack is still under investigation. i will say this, it would be very hard to alter a ballot count in a national election, to change the vote tally, just because our election system is so decentralized. there are some 9,000 jurisdictions involved. i've been sending the message to state and local officials that

protect their online presence, their internet presence and the department of homeland security is in a position to help, if they ask. they have to ask first. >> today is your birthday and i've got a cousin who has 9/11 has a birthday, and it's -- i know it's awkward for her. how do you handle your birthday? >> well, i always take occasion to remember what happened 15 years ago. i'm here in new york this year. i was in shanksville last i spent 9/11 at the pentagon. i don't celebrate my birthday on my birthday anymore, either the day before or the day after and i'm not sure i'll ever be in a position to celebrate my birthday again on 9/11, given the huge impression this day made on me. >> absolutely. jay johnson, i know it's very personal for you. i know you were in new york city on the day of the attacks and it's a very emotional day, as well. thanks for spending a few

chuck. >> you got it. turning now to the 2016 campaign, a new washington post poll out this morning has hillary clinton with a five-point lead over donald trump among likely voters, 46-41. we have some new nbc news battle ground state polls that we'll get to a little later but we begin with what perhaps is turning into a rough weekend for hillary clinton. not unusual for the trump campaign trying to find itself explaining a controversial statement made by their for him but this weekend it's the clinton campaign struggling for words to explain what she meant when she took a shot at trump voters a criticism that immediately drew sharp reaction. >> you can put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. [ laughter ] >> the racist, sexist, homophobic.

hopers voters will never forget. >> hillary, they are not a basket of anything. they are americans and they deserve your respect. >> the trump campaign quickly demanded an apology and tried to capitalize. trump tweeted hillary clinton was so insulting to my supporters, millions of amaing hard-working people. i think it will cost them at the polls. there is a history too comfortable in a crowd. mitt romney was caught dismissing voters with this line that some republicans believe lost him the election. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president that's not -- >> in 20 08, it was barack obama at a fundraiser talking about how job losses made working class americans feel.

they get bitter and they cling to guns or this is an nbc special report. here is lester holt. >> good day from new york. some concerns raised this morning on the well being of hillary clinton. democratic candidate president after she left the 9/11 memorial service at ground zero earlier than expected. they say that it may have been related to the heat and that she is okay. let's go hallie jackson. >> a spokesman saying that hillary clinton attended a ceremony for just an hour and 30 minutes this morning to pay the respects and glooef some of the

departed to go to her daughter's apartment and is now feeling much better. for about 90 minutes this morning it was unclear what happened to secretary clinton and where she had gone. a small band of reporters were kept at the 9/11 ceremony after clinton left and walked out and apparently has gone to her daughter chelsea's house in manhattan. >> we do know that it's unseasonably h folks at ground zero say certainly those are the conditions this morning when secretary clinton was taken away. we want to o go to andrea mitchel and the health of secretary clinton has been an issue in the campaign. this has driven a lot of speculation on social media. what can you tell us? >> her health is an issue and i

her and it's driven by the opponents and by the trump campaign. they in particular have raised the concessions that she has been healthy and she has been in the campaign and the travels have been -- >> well, she was breaking up and andrea, the point is taken. we're looking at the sti photos and this is about the time -- well, clearly before she was taken away. she seemed fine and interacting with the other dignitaries and politicians that would gather there for the reading of the names as the country marks the 15th anniversary of the attacks. the clinton campaign reporting a short time ago that she was over

she went to her daughter's apartment in manhattan four or five miles away. she is feeling much better. that's what we know. andrea, are you back with us? >> back with you. i can just report that she has had no episode of this kind. not since 2012 when she caught the flu. she had the stomach flu and hit r that was the last episode and that was widely reported. at the time there were a lot of speculation, but the doctor's reports very complete reports did indicate that she has had some issues as she takes mid-cases that includes with the

in this campaign other than the criticism from the opponents. >> we had no indication that she was taken to a hochlt in fact there are strong indications that before the statement she did go to her daughter's apartment. we have a picture of the van and that's the same one that she was traveling in ground zero and there it is in front of her daughter's apartment in the flat iron just up of new york. that's parentally where she is. we have no received any medical treatment from a hospital or anyone there at the scene. simply went to her daughter's apartment. we will continue to follow this story and see you more on nightly news. i am lester holt in new york. have a good day. quite trust hillary. give me a reason -- >> why is it donald trump gets credit for being politically incorrect telling it like it is

of her supporters are saying she's doing what trump does, she's telling it like it is. >> we can put aside for a second there is a segment of trump supporters which surveys have shown do have believes people can talk about islamic phobic and he's retweeted white nationalist and this discussion about the alt-right. it confirms what his supporters already believe, right? essentially he's this bull work against soal that and they are upset that their concerns are routinely dismissed out of hand as being racist or retro grade and he's the person out there saying no, no, no, you're perfectly normal. something is quote unquote wrong here and she basically confirmed that democrats don't just think they are wrong but like look down on them. >> candidates should not be pundits and not sit there in new york where the fundraisers hold

generalizations not only about 50% but about people. people say repugnant things are complicated and driven by complicated fears and anxiety to sometimes do things sometimes do beautiful things. the true you hate the sin but not the sinner applies to politics. >> let me do a pause. we're going to take a break and come right back. and new battle ground polls in four states, two from the traditional battle ground and two from perhaps an expanded battle ground and later, the 9/11 attacks led to the war in iraq. i'll talk to a prominent member of president george w bush's administration, paul mandy chang mark lawrence charette gregorio manuel chavez gregorio manuel chavez delrose e. cheatham 98,352 what's that? gregorio manuel chavez delrose e. cheatham

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they have a bend to them. next is nevada, clinton by two points, 41-39 but look what happens when you have a likely voter sample, turns into a trump lead. keep in mind democrats won new hampshire in five of the last six elections and taken nevada in four of the last six so these should be states that favor clinton. let's look at two red states in arizona, clinton and trump are tied at 37 among voters. trump is up 30-48. look at the double digits for gary johnson that governed a neighboring state of arizona in new mexico and in georgia, clinton has a one-point lead among registered voters but among likely voters, it's trump who gains. he's at 44-42. it's worth remembering that democrats haven't won either arizona or georgia since bill clinton won each once. david brooks, i want to start with a column you wrote about

coming. politics is catching up to social reality. the crucial social divide is between those who feel the core trends of the global information age economy at tail ends at their back and those who feel them as head winds at the phase and i can point you to this break down in the poll among college educated voters, she's up 20. among non-college educated voters, he's up 20. >> for the last 20 years, if you look how people is they completed college. how often do they vote? how many friends do they have? what's their marriage like. it opens up socially and this is the first election we have seen them reflected in the political polling and so my question and this is really a serious worry, suppose one party is less and head winds and that would be the republican party and another party is the party of the tail winds, and that would be the democratic party.

alignment and that to me is extremely problematic for what it is. >> isn't that what we see now? >> this is a profound shift because it's representing the college education. we've grown up with republicans at the high end of the income scale and the leaders in american life. this has been turned upside down. i think the big, big issue in this country and this election, cutting away everything else is what david talked about, how do we pull the it's separating and going in different directions and there is not been either candidate whose been able to give a city shining on a hill speech like ronald reagan or i have a dream like dr. ken because they are so determined to separate the country and that is, i think, a terrible prescription for the future. >> it's going to be like that as long as there is identity based partisanship. i mean, i think we've always talked about the different groups that aligned with the

idea you see only the news about the stuff you care about delivered to your phone every day, i think the silos of where we live and the silos of the information we're taking in is actually exacerbating the problem. >> there are so many different reasons that we've ended up at this place. some that we can control, some we can't control but i think in addition to the political realignment that's happening, i think that the most pressing issue is whoever wins the white house in november, there is americans who are going to feel unrepresented and not heard. >> and angry about it. >> and angry about it. >> look at the reaction -- >> very high unfavorables. so the mandate to govern will be very, very difficult and that's something that hopefully, democrats and republicans will look at each other and say this is it, we got to do something. >> we could have a winner at 32%. everybody is at 42, 43, 48. that's like minority leader

about it. mayor rob emanuel of chicago has an idea. every kid that graduates spends some sort of three months in a national service so kids are with kids and just three months would make a difference. >> i thought national service would be a given. we've been talking about national service my whole adult life and i can't believe we're not there. >> i'm involved with a academy of public service. 250 this year. and by the clinton borrows the line from bernie sanders, we'll give free college education to families with $125,000 a year, she ought to say and if you get that, you've got to get with your public service when you graduate or two years. it ought to come with a price tag for them otherwise it looks like a government give away. chuck, i think we cannot over state the importance and the effect of social media in this campaign.

here and the kind of victory on both sides that's out there and people have a hard time deciding what's real and what's not. >> i want to bring it back to deplorables. against any other candidate against any other year, this is a really fatal mistake for her but have we been conditioned to this harsh rhetoric? >> i don't think people have been conditioned to rhetoric. if they were, then you wouldn't have a whole segment of the republicar trump. i mean, what she really was speaking to were those people, republican voters who haven't made up their mind because they are very uncomfortable with trump because of the racist words coming out of his mouth and some of his supporters. >> this is a risk if you make it a referendum on trump, you have to walk the line between saying a vote for trump is a bad decision and a vote for trump means you're a bad person. and i think this crossed that line and it's hard to unring that bell.

goes to trump, if they both have bad weeks, he benefits. he's gotten closer not because he's suddenly great. >> i have to say there was part of this when she did it and i thought marco rubio did this and ted c cruz tried this, when you try to hit him, when you go name calling for name calling and go down to his level he went. >> yeah. >> because the supporters know what they will get and i think a lot of people made up their minds. i saw a bumper sk i don't know, 2016. what people need to do is what clinton needs to do is make it so that sticker says clinton kain 2016. >> all right. we'll take a pause here and do a little more on 9/11. when we come back on this september 11th commemoration, the paul wolfowitz grew out of

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democrat that returned republican and may feel forced to vote for hillary clinton in november. paul wolfowitz joins me. welcome, sir. >> nice to be here, thank you. >> i read in an interview you didn't -- you took issue with the architect of the iraq war. why do you not accept that title? >> because i was not in charge. i was not the commander in chief or secretary of state or secretary of defense and national security advisor and more importantly, i thought at the time there was a lot of things that shouldav if you think about it, if we had a counter insurgency strategy, if we had that from the beginning, i think iraq would look like a very different place today and history would look very different instead of waiting until 2007, 2008 to defeat al qaeda and iraq, they could have been defeated. >> you were an advisor to jeb bush. he struggled with the knowing what we know question now, what is your answer?

then we know now. we know about saddam and not part of al qaeda at the time but merged with al qaeda and the leader is there. we know that now. most importantly, we'll never know what the world would be like if saddam was still in power in iraq. imagine if you had an uprising steroids. saddam would be more brutal than assad has been. >> that's a big assumption. how do we know that? saddam -- a lot -- >> it turned out -- >> a buster, for instance, there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> he was deceiving the world on that point. >> that's a big point to deceive the world on. >> not killing terrorists. he was killing his own people on

we saw what he did. i don't think it takes a lot of imagination to see how he would respond. we seen what he did. there is a tendency to say it all around the world. if the americans can put a man on the moon, why can't they do x and x is some complicated social problem that's been here for centuries. americans play into that assuming they can solve everything and we're responsible for everything. hillary clinton was actually right when she said a few months ago the uniteat create isis. bashar al-assad created isis. >> there is another theory that says whatever you want to think of the strong man the fact of the matter as soon as saddam hussein was serving as iraq covering up a lot of bad guys, we lifted that rock and all of a sudden chaos ensued. >> he wasn't covering up a lot of bad guys. he was sheltering a lot of bad guys.

bombing at large and zarkowi in iraq. the -- you know, when i said assad helped to create isis, he did it by driving the sunnis into desperation where isis is the only choice for them. these dictators brutalized their societies. they divide their societies after they collapse and eventually they collapse. there stabilize or take its place. >> go ahead. >> not every ditator is like that. i was ambassador in indonesia when the president was the so-called auto cat, or dictator. there was nothing reasonable left in iraq, nothing reasonable left in syria or libya.

it was mostly saudis that flue those planes into the towers, nobody from iraq. why was that the first action. we went into afghanistan and why didn't we hold saudi arabia accountable? you can make a case a lot mf saudis were funding and fueling these terrorists attacks with saudi money and things like that than anybody in iraq. >> there is what the saudis have been doing and i hope people are right when they say the new crown prince. >> they are harboring terrorists? >> cultivating terrorists but the point is you don't deal with that by going to war. what concerned us about iraq and people want to forget but everybody believes and saddam was doing his best to convince us he had weapons of mass destruction. we knew he had previously had

clear after he was captured he intended to start the programs again once the sanctions were lifted. he was a real danger and that's why there was a focus on weapons of mass destruction and people say after the fact that bush lied and got us into a war, he wasn't lying. he was saying what everyone believed and, you know, i heard some discussions on your previous panel and i -- but i heard remarkable comment this morning by one of the orphans from 9/11 whose the son said 9/11 brought us together. we need to come together as a country. >> some said -- >> lying when he was telling the truth. >> some could say iraq split us apart. the followup from the iraq war. look at the republican party today. >> i'm not disagreeing. >> more isolation today. >> i'm not disagreeing with that but if you accuse bush of lying when he was telling what everyone believed -- >> let me ask you this then, who

somebody got us into this and somebody convinced the united states congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent in iraq, which is why so many democrats and republicans voted for this war. >> i think the original liar is saddam hussein who discovered he had more. later, it seems he was lying that he had more than he really did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the iranians. the fact is every intelligence service in the world, not just the americans, the germans, the french, all believe he had weapons of mass destruction. >> are you -- do you -- are you now concerned that that especially, we were wrong and if you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now, that's one of the reasons. that's one of the things over the last 15 years when you talk about wall street's inability to be truthful and that under mined trusting government. do you believe that? >> look, i think it's done a lot of harm but i think in fact,

bush lied does a lot of harm. i believe if we had a better strategy in iraq from the beginning and if the surge-type strategy was implemented, iraq would look different. >> how many troops would be there? do you think because you've said in the past you thought this is more like a germany and korea situation thanks we probably would need troops for 40 or 50 years. >> the issue isn't how many troops you have but how many americans are getting killed. by the end of the surge very muni americans were getting killed. there is a great risk if north korea starts a war. the u.s. can be a stabilizing factor. it's important to understand and i agree the turn in public opinion on the united states is very unfortunate. i think it will bring us more trouble. we're in danger of learning all the wrong lessons from the past. the lesson that intervention is the only thing that's bad.

the consequence is non-intervention. i think we see in libya the consequence of partial invention. >> is this why you're learning clinton over trump? >> i'm learning against both of them. i find it incredibly disappointing when the country needs to come together and we have two major party candidates that enjoy so little confidence from the american people. >> paul wolfowitz from the bush administration, thank you, sir. appreciate you sharing your views. >> when we come back, a reminder for awhile and how it will still drive much of our politics today. >> first you saw the large flag that was from the top of the pentagon there that was awe

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welcome back, it is almost a cliche to say that 9/11 changed us. it is part two security at airports, ballparks and other public places, and made us all more aware of the threats around the world that many of us face. but for a while, at least, 9/11 brought us together. made us appreciate our shared interests and common bonds. in fact, made it so the democrats and republicans just simply debated and didn't just try to destroy each other. this morning's broadcast, we brought together firefighters, teachers, journalists and others to tell us how they saw america

>> september 11th, 2001 resulted in us waking up on september 12th, 2001 with a phenomenal sense of what it means to be the united states of america. >> i had the sense that most of us were reaching into an easily accessible well of resolve, will, strength, character, courage. >> first you saw of the pentagon there and that was just awe inspiring. >> literally when i got there, at 8:00 in the morning, we had people in line, waiting to buy a flag. >> we crawled before we walked. and then we walked before we ran. >> there were no disks among people, no color, no religions, no politics. >> the leaders in congress stood together, the governors of our states stood together, partisanship seemed to

the country coming together have all been evaporated. >> i think very strong emotions and very strong activities occurred after 9/11, are very hard to maintain. >> the country seemed so significantly divided. i think there is a lot of optimism and hopefulness that we can continue on the american traditions we had for so many years. >> america went from this great sense of being part of the same together in times of disaster to political fights and a political system that has encouraged division. >> we did stand together, even though some of us had differences, you put those differences aside and said, we stand together. ?? from engineering and manufacturing...

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welcome back. more breaking up ins. update on the hillary clinton health issue. she just walked out of the building where chelsea clinton, her daughter lived. here she is. she said she's feeling much better. >> it is a beautiful day in new york! >> as you can see there, she said, a beautiful day in new york. looks and appears to be all is well. tom brokaw, we have more footage of had her here, now doing a photo it looks like. much different incident there. tom brokaw, you have a favorite expression when it comes to presidential campaigns.

>> the unforeseen occurs. >> occurs. we have had an unforeseen occurment. >> it has different context and different dimensions. is this a blip? it appears it probably -- we don't know. this overheated social media social environment, in which the constant coverage that goes on, everything rises to a different level than it might have, and two cycles ago for one presen best way to deal with it is to clear it up as best as you can. >> i know you have strong feelings about maybe it doesn't matter anymore what information you put out there, people are going to be in their own corners, but this should concentrate some attention on the fact that we are dealing with two candidates that, whichever one is elected, i believe if my math is correct, they would be the oldest first

clinton is in failing health in any way. i think to your point, no matter what happens today, i can bet you your social feed and the social feed of many other people will be starkly different from each other. like, levels of difference in terms of what people see in the way the news was reported today and what they think of it going forward. >> let me just say, though, for 90 minutes, while this was happening on social media, nobody knew what was happening and that is because the small group of reporters in place exactly for events like this was not traveling with campaign and let be clear, donald trump does not have the protective full rider. this is not a ax to grind as a member of the president. the reason why we travel with the candidates is to provide information to the public when something like this happens. >> it is interesting, we're talking about 9/11, i just had a remembrance of people remembering these different feelings. one of the people in that video is ann compton. ann compton now a retired abc news white house reporter, she was under the protective pool for the president of the united states on that fateful morning

small group of reporters that the president, when he was going to a secure base, brought the pool with him. that's how important the pool is. >> right. >> and the campaign is notable for its openness and transparency, but to mention 9/11 and what happens reminds me of the middle east, the middle east is a low social trust environment where conspiracy theories flow. and we're becoming that kind of society. we had 90 minutes of silence. immediate for some people to want to fill conspiracy. but if we just saw hillary clinton, she looked fine. and so it is often wrong to think every void needs to be filled with a conspiracy. >> the fact that you said for 9 minutes, part of me said, well, yeah, you got to take time to figure out what the heck happened. we think 90 minutes is a long time and, yes, in our world it is. 90 minutes is nothing. >> no, and the fact is that we keep coming back to the same issue here. now, everyone who is a conspirist has a tool called

there. some guy is sitting in his underwear in his basement in chicago, and now he's looking at the keyboard and lighting up -- >> they're everywhere. >> couldn't get a date for the prom. >> my point is that you cannot overstate the impact of social media these days. just flies through the air. we have been trying to keep track here and i promise you, only maintaining that much of it about what there, reaching their constituencies and undermining it. breitbart heated up -- >> they have been ones that have been the ones that have fuelling this health issue. we should note it was a year ago that she put out a -- well, it was a four page statement on her health, and physical, perfectly normal, it is more information we have out of donald trump. we don't have anything except -- >> his letter said he was the

>> the point is we don't know -- we know less about his -- we know more about hillary clinton's health than donald trump's. >> remember, this whole campaign has been about doubts throughout the primary process. the use of the word rig, this doubting of every step of the way and that's extending to the candidates themselves. >> and we do know more about clinton's health and donald trump's health and that's very clear, taken together, we still know less about both of their health in other nominees in the past. >> they have been campaigning really hard for a the visual is a -- >> we have to get used to the fact that age is different in america now, that 68 used to be really a debilitating time but it is not. people are fully healthy into their 80s. >> the last couple of days have been -- >> beautiful day, hot and muggy there today. >> by the way, where she was standing, close knit, it aheads an extra ten degrees.

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have a disclosure issue in an un -- one of them is not just on medical, it is on financial. as much as people think that the clintons are not forth coming, compared to trump, they have been, on taxes, on the charitable foundations, on all of these things, does this reconcentrate a focus on all of the things we don't have from trump. >> it might. i think what it is going to do for the trump campaign is reconcentrate a focus on trying to stoke some otheron theories we have been talking about. >> you think they're going to go right there? >> let's see. that's not fair to say, so far donald trump appears to be unaware this happened at all, he left the ceremony, went to a firehouse, i don't think he's been fully briefed on what happened yet. we'll see what his response is. when it comes to the tax returns, look at what his running mate did. release the returns. and donald trump -- i would say this, you see the reporting, for example, the washington post is doing all the trump foundation, some of this, the questions could be answered about his donations if we had his tax

is no conflict of interest law that governs the president and the vice president. everybody else in the executive branch has to resolve conflicts of interest if you get a job. if donald trump were going to be secretary of state, he would have to resolve conflicts of interest. president donald trump does not. >> or third level member of the -- not even cabinet, just the administration. >> teams have to -- >> so i'm all for exposing that information, but just thinking human beings, he releases his tax returns and somebody's vote changes. maybe of this -- if he doesn't, the people who are voting for him sort of know he's kind of -- they know he is disgraceful on a lot of levels but think i'll take that as a change agent and he's -- >> nobody is waiting for -- no average voter is waiting to say what tax bracket, a lot of it is us, because what more can it tell us about this man's real wealth and could that undermine

his financial connections and obligations and debts and who owns debt and if you're the sitting president of the united states and it is foreign debt and a foreign creditor, does that have an impact? >> or even the debt that he is held by big american banks for that matter about -- i do think the clintons have to clean up the foundation issue. that is just -- nothing compared to what we need to know about donald trump and his claims. a lot of people say, look a successful businessman, he'll run the country that way. one of the ways we'll find out how successful he is, beyond the bankruptcies that we know he's gone through, is to look at the tax returns. he owes that to the country and don't see how -- i'm sure he'll try to avoid it to the end, and my guess is he'll stay tight on it. that's my guess. >> only going to lead us, david, you said something in the beginning of the show, that it is a race to the bottom and i think now that the -- we're on

bottom ends up helping trump. said, it is all disgusting, i'll go for that guy. >> unless people don't turn out. the turning point when people tune out, they may decide not to step out the door. >> there is a lot of evidence of some important parts of the democratic coalition, not enthusiastic and we don't know how that plays. that's all we have. thank you very much on this very long 9/11 morning. that's all w because if it's sunday, it's

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