before we get to the interviews let's take a look at the very latest tracking polls out this morning. cnn/wmur has trump with a big lead still at 33% followed by rubio, cruz, kasich and bush in that order. rubio's momentum appears to have stopped. that's before the debate is factored in this. for democrats this poll has sanders up big 58 over 35 though worth noting clinton has picked up seven points in the last few days. in this morning's umass/7 news tracking poll, they have trump him rubio, cruz, bush and kasich. democratic side they have this race a bit closer, sanders with yesterday's poll. hampshire, it's the graveyard pollsters. we'll have my interview this morning with donald trtrp in just a few minutes. but we're going to begin with the democrats and former secretary of state hillary clinton. you liked that graveyard of

>> i've lived through this twice in '92 and 2008. look, i know i'm behind. i'm going to keep fighting until the very last vote is counted. because i care about this primary. >> why do you think you started with such a big deficit this time considering -- look, this has been a big state to both your husband and yourself. very important. >> yeah. >> they always help you. >> well, look, i can't sit here and analyze all the reasons. obviously, one is tt the senator has been in public life next door for 25 years. so there's a familiarity with him. i totally respect that. and i just think what's great about this primary is new hampshire voters take a first, second, third, fourth, fifth look. yesterday as i was crisscrossing from one side of the state to the e her talking to voters, i literally had people come up, say you changed my mind, who knows. this is what's so exciting about the primary, chuck. i came in in 2008 as i recall like 16 points behind. i remember the night before the primary in '92, bill's pollster

single digits. it's over. who knows. i love this excitement. and i'm going to fight as hard as i can. but i'm havivi a great time whatever happens. >> i want to go to the debate a little bit because i would say the foreign licy section is one that you guys wanted to highlight because you felt as if he didn't do so well. you brought up secretary state madeleine albright to talk about it. some of the things you said about senator obama's readiness on foreign policy, they're very similar to what you've said about bernie sanders. in '08 you said i have a lifetime of experience i will bring to the white house. i know senator mccain has a lifetime of experience he'll bring to the white house. senator obama hahaa speech he gave in 2002, it sounds very similar to what you said when you're like, okay, you had one vote on the iraq war -- >> okay, you know what -- >> what's the difference between what you said about then-senator obama and what you're saying about senator sanders? >> there's a very big difference. in 2008, senator obama had really done his homework in the senate.

few years. he had developed a network of advisors on national security and foreign policy issues. they were very diligent and focused on making sure he was ready, that he had as broad a set of views as possible. and they really went toe-to-toe with all the people supporting me. that's not happening in this campaign. there really isn't any kind of foreign policy network that is supporting and advising senator sanders. i'll let him speak for himself. i think that what's important is this job requires you to be ready on all aspects of it on the first day. particularly complex world right now. and the president's not going to have the time. maybe previous presidents in past years could have a little more leeway because of, you know, the way the worlrl functionon. but now it's north korea with its missile tests, it's russian aggression, it's enforcing the iran agreement. you have to do it all at once.

should still matter to voters? >> look, i think voters are perfectly free to take into account anything they want to take, but i also hope they'll take the rest of the record. you know, i was involved in the biggest counterterrorism decision in the obama admimistration to determimi whether or not to go after bin laden. i did put the sanctions on iran to get them to the negotiating table. i think that this is a debate that the voters really have to pay attention to because it is choosing both a president and a commander in chief. >> do you believe if it wasn't for the iraq war we wouldn't have isis today? >> well, i think that's a hard conclusion to draw because remember we had al qaeda before we had isis. al qaeda attacked us in new al qaeda attacked our embassies s in africa -- >> the instability in iraq is what has created this and that if saddam hussein were still

>> well, i think that's a lot of jumps in logic that to me doesn't really add up. the iraq war, there's no doubt contributed to instability. i'm not going to in any way deny that. but you cannot draw a direct linene what you can do is to say thatat jihadist terrorism starting with al qaeda. >> right. >> and moving onto its latest incarnations, most particularly isis, is in response to a number of forces and factors that are roiling up the middle east. and certainly fighting for what islam means and how it's going to be presented and what people are going to mean when they talk about it. so, yeah, we've got a much bigger set of problems. >> all right. another thing i wanted to follow-up on the debate. senator sanders called the entire business model of wall street a fraud. we didn't get a chance to ask you to respond directly to that critique. i'd like to ask you to respond to it now. >> well, i think it's the kind of extreme statement that once you really take a hard look at

you know, when you talk ababt wall street, are w wtalking about every bank? or are we talking about a particular part of new york? that's never really clarified. what i believe is that there are good actors and bad actors in every part of our economy. the job of the president is to weed out and prevent the bad actors from disrupting economic activity from amassing too much power and influence. but we live in a complex global economy where we've got to have a good banking system that is able to service the american economy. and it needs to be more than just looking at the five banks that are the big banks. we have to have a much more robust community banking system, regional banking system, other forms of credit access. and that's what i am advocating for. and i still do not understand why i'm having t ts problem getting senator sanders to join n me in going after what are the potential problems that are out

and the investment and hedge fund sector. >> can you have a treasury secretary who isn't familiar with how wall street works? and i say this because i think there's so much distrust right now. >> yes. there is. there is. >> six of the last treasuries either came from wall street or went to wall street after. i think there certainly right now isn't an appetite for somebody from wall street to be the next treasury secretary, and yet can you have a treasury secretary if they don't understand wall street? >> well, you have to have a treasury secretary who understands the economy, the american economy and the global economy. i think there are a lot more places where one can and should look for such a treasury. >> do you think you can pick one without having them have a wall street background? >> you know, i want somebody who can make a good commitment to work with me to get the economy moving, to get more good jobs created, to get incomes rising, to look out overhe horizon at some of the economic problems that are out there. we've got to figure out what we're going to do with china. china is finally having to come to grips with the fact that a lot of its growth may not have

we would hope. so we need people in government who have that kind of commitment and understanding. but we've got to put the needs of the american economy first. and that's going to be my y commitmentnt >> before i let you go i want to ask you about a comment former secretary of state madeleine albright said, a comment i've heard her say before. but it sort of rang differently to a lot of people. she said, there's a special place in hell for women who don't help women. but the implication is that somehow if you're a democratic woman and you're not supporting you, what's wrong with you. do you want t e vote to be decidedeon gender lines like that? >> oh, look, as you remember, madeleine has been saying this for many, many years. >> starbucks cups i think. i get that. >> she believes it firmly and in part because she knows what a struggle it has been. and she understands the struggle is not over. so i don't want people to be offended by what she is

>> y y can understand why y me might have been offended by it? >> well, good grief, we're getting offended about everything these days. honest to goodness, i mean, people can't say anything without offending somebody. she has a life experience that i respect. i admire her greatly. and i think what she was trying to do, which she's done in every setting i've ever seen her in n going backck0-plus years, was toto rerend young women partitilarly that this s ruggle which many of us have been part of is not over. and don't be in any way lulled by the progress we've made. and i think it was a light hearted but very pointed remark, which people can take however they choose. >> all right. what do you got in the super bowl? >> i don't have anybody right now. >> you don't have anybody? >> i'm going to flint, michigan, i'm worrying about the kids in flint, michigan, to make sure we can do what we can to make sure they are not damaged by this -- >> you're going today, you could have gone yesterday.

the mayor asked me to come. this was as earliest as we could get it done. i'm very hopeful to congress which is trying to work in a bipartisan way will come up with some funding to deal with these problems that have afflicted the community. and i'm going to keep doing everything i can help them. >> secretary clinton, i know you have a plane to catch. >> thanks. great to talk to you. last night, i spoke with senator bernie sanders from new york where he was preparing to appear on "saturday night live." here it is. i want to start with some reviews from the debate. first the debate on wall street. you got some good reviews. but on foreign policy, i want to put up some headlines h he, sir. t so good "boston globe," sanders flunks on foreign policy, "the washington post," bernie sanders trips up on foreign policy during debate. how do you respond to that? >> well, you know, time after time when we have had these

thinking that hillary clinton wins the debates, , t somehow the people do not. and we did very well in iowa. i think we're doing well in new hampshire. and i think we're doing well nationally. look, there's no question that hillary clinton has a great deal policy. she was our secretary of state for four years. that gives her a lot of experience. but it is not just experience that matters. it is judgment. i think we have the judgment in terms of what we should do with isis right now, that we should learn the lesson of the iraq war, which i vigorously opposed, which means that we cannot, chuck, do it alone. i will do everything that i can to make sure that our young men and women in the military do not get sucked into a perpetual warfare in the quagmire of t t middle east. >> but the concern i think is

let me play for you something secretary of state madeleine albright said on saturday. take a listen. >> i've been very concerned about his lack of knowledge. most people know how many dictators north korea has. i have spent an awful lot of time on the hill in a variety of ways. i'veveone up and down brieiengs and all kindndof things. unless he looked totally different at the time, he has never been to any briefing -- >> let me stipulate, madeleine albright is a supporter of hillary clinton and she was brought up here by the hillary clinton campaign to talk about this. my concern is about the level of interest you have on foreign policy. >> chuck, chuck, it goes without sasang, number one, i have been to briefing after briefing after briefing. you know, in fact, just a couple of weeks ago when i visited with the president, one of the things that we talked about was iran and foreign policy. it is obviously an enormously

president is about. now, i don't really know this, maybe the answer is different, tell me what meleine albright's position was on the war in iraq? >> right. i don't know. >> i don't know. i wouldn't be surprised if she supported it. you know, the issue here is not just experience. the issue is judgment. i voted against the first gulf war, which history will record. i led the opposition a ainst the war in iraq, which history will also record as being the right thing. clearly, clearly foreign policy is enormously important. and i will tell you this also, chuck, if you go back to 2008, this is exactly what the clinton people were doing to senator barack obama. they were attacking him he didn't have the experience, et cetera, et cetera.

if elected president we will have a very strong foreign policy for the american people. >> i think to alleviate some of these concerns if you told -- how about i know you didn't tell me the other night when i asked you about who your foreign policy advisors are. give me a few names of people you would end up considering as a secretary of state or secretary of defense. >> i think it's a little bit premature to talk ababt who your cretary of defense is going to . i will tell you that we have met recently with people like larry cobb, actually worked in the reagan administration, talked to people like jim zagby, talked to the people on j street to get a broad perspective of the middle east. i've been meeting with a whole lot of people. but let me reassure the arican

hearing from madeleine albright, that it goes without saying that a president must be well versed in foreign policy, must have a strong foreign policy position. and i will, of course, do that. >> let me move onto something else yououaid from the debate. it was a tough charge. you said -- and you yourself said this was going to be a tough charge when you said it. the business model of wall street is fraud. boy, that was a broad brush. and i was thinking about the fact that there's a lot of union pension funds that are invested in wall street, 30% in many of them when you look. i was looking up some of these things. a lot of 401(k)s, a lot of retirements is based on investments in wall street. it seems to me, if you believe it's afraid, would you not like to see money invested in something based on a fraud. >> look, chuck, what i said i believed to be true. a few weeks ago, as you know, a goldman sachs reached a settlement with the united states government for $5 billion. $5 billion.

and the answer is obviously they were defrauding investors in terms of selling subprime mortgage packages that were worthless. now, that's myefinition of fraud. and other major banks also have received -- paid huge settlement fines to the federal government. and what really burns the american people up is after paying $5 billion in a settlement agreement, none of these people, none of the exexutives on wall street get charged with anything. kid gets caught with some marijuana, gets a police record. fraudulent activity on wall street destroys the economy, no police record for any executive. so do i believe that the business model of wall street is flawed? i think the answer obviously of course it is. >> very quickly, super bowl sunday, who do you got, sir? >> maybe the broncos. >hat's who you're rooting for? or that's whou think will win? >> i'm rooting for new england

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welcome back. by the way, we're going to get snow on tuesday on voting day. we're broadcasting fromhe nbc news headquarters here in new hampshire. an unbelievablee setting we have re. and just about anybody who is in politics, reports on polotics or just cares about politics has decided to spend the last days before the primary just outside our doors. it was easy to grab four of the best though, journalists, for our panel this morning. my buddy chris matthews who of course is host of "hardball," been here for many new hampshire primaries. our chief foreign affairs correspopoent andrea mitchell whwhis covering thth hillary clclton campaign. llie jackson also with nbc covering the cruz campaign, and radio talk show host hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show. let's focus on last night's republican debate.

marco rubio, look at these headlines, "new york times," gop rivals jab at rubio to try to slow his rise, "the washington post," rubio endures an assault in a rollocing gop debate. i wish i could hold it up, the one i don't have, choke, with rubio. hugh. >> donald trump did not lose saturday night, i think john kasich pole vaulted over marco rubio into second place by being very new hampshire, but i'm a contrary on rubio, he won all of that debate except those thrhr minutes. that will push h h back,, but he had a terrific second half. and i think he'll get the bronze come tuesday night. >> wow. chris. >> well, that's good except the only problem you have is t`e videotape. and it exists. >> the three minutes. >> all right. well, let me pause. look at this thing. it is rough. take a listen. >> and let's just start once and for all with this fiction that

he knows exactly what he's doing. let's dispel this fiction of that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. this)notion that barack obama doesn't know what h@'s doing is just not true. >> there it is. there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> we are not facing a president that doesn't know what he's doing. he knows what he's doing. anyone who believes that barack obama isn't doing what he's doing on purpose doesn't understand what we're dial uealing with here. >> that's e numerable times. reminded me of the science fiction film lade runner" where someone in this case chris christie proved out there was a replica instead of not a human being. it was strange because he was reading these prerecorded statements which are like implanted memory tracks. they were not a human response. and i think he's got the answer for it and i think it was so strange i have no idea why he did it. >> every candidate has lines they repeat. we've all been doingng million s.t.e.e. speeches. his problem was when he got up on the attack when they were doing it against him.

>> listen, this morning people in marco roboto costumes showed up. campaign would point out some 500 people showed up 45 minutes before the door opened. they're fiercely trying to spin this into a positive. super bowl tonight, history. >> to repeat over and over again your one-liners in front of your rivals who are already pouncing, who are already calling him the boy in the bubble and diminishing him, trying to diminish him, it really hits him right at his most vulnerable point. >> hugh, this is what's per plexing, christie telegraphed this for three days. this was obvious this was coming snd. >> because he's running a general eleltion campaign before he secured the nomination. i'll tell you what amused me last night, every democrat out there is eager to bury marco marco rubio. him. therefore i think what we got is a south carolina brouhaha that will follow this mix up.

it's going to be an open convention because rubio's not going away. >> one question, washere logog to d dng it four times in a row? >> yes. because he's talking to me. he's talking to republicans about barack obama. he is going to run that general election campaign. barack obama kw what he was doing to this country. the democrats hate that -- >> you mean if he could do it over again he would repeat the same lines four times in a row? >> no. >> what does it mean? >> he fold back on christie a second time -- his staff had trained him and he had learned to be disciplined. >> it's a planned -- >> but seeing staff trained is not what these candidates need to show on that stage, hugh. they need to show that they have a functioning brain. this is a very smart man. >> you know who we're not talking about? we're not talking about donald trump or ted cruz. let me play a quick little -- jeb bush had one of his best moments with donald trump on the issue of eminent dodoin. >> what donald trump did was use

the property of an elderly woman on the strip in atlantie city. that is downright wrong. >> wants to be a tough guy. a lot of times you'll have -- and it doesn't work very well. >> how tough is it to take property from an elderly woman? >> let me talk. quiet. that's all of his donors and special interests out there. >> it was a fascinating moment because i think the issue is bad for trump here, but i thought his retort there was probably good for here. >> and the physical, the body language, you know, shh, i mean, he was so patronizing. >> very. > it was a diffefent jeb. that wasn't the jeb of three months ago bho melted in that moment. >> his mom is out here telling him he needs to interrupt more and be less polite and that's what you're seeing. for trump, he doesn't like to be booed. he got booed four times within about two minutes within that

i asked him do you think you came off as a bully and he even said last night, well, bush tries to be tough, but he's not a tough guy. >> but governor bush had his best night. i want to put the republican spin on this because it's true. rereblicans hate eminent domain. they hate it. >> yes. >> it's abused him enough. >> that was a bullying moment. everybody saw a bully there. you have to decide is the bully on your side. and if the bully's on your side, if he's in a fox hole next to you facing the bad guys, you don't mind it. i thought last night it didn't look that way. he was taking down a guy who's not a scary guy. nobody dislikes jeb bush. i thought he didn't look good. wasn't good for trump. >> i'm going to ha a little bit. i spoke with jeb earlier. we'll have some jeb stuff later. we'll be back after the break with a man who probably needs a new hampshire win more than

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welcome back. well, it was quite a debate last night as ron burgundy might have said, that escalated quickly. my next guest, donald trump, he wants to rebound from the iowa loss and take new hampshire to hang onto his front-runner status.

welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> who is coming in second and maybe a first -- >> you tell me. let me ask you this, how much do you need a new hampshire win? >> i don't think i need it, i hope that i get it. i'm doing well. i have a good relationship with the people of new hampshire. i've been here long before politics had many friends. i live up here. incredible area, beautiful area. i would say that i would like to win, but i don't know that it's necessssy. when you say, you know, the iowa -- i came in second out of originally 17 people, there are those that say i actually came in first depending on howou want to count the votes to be honest because that was a horrible thing that took place. but i was very proud of iowa and i've never done it before. >> do you not accept the iowa results? do you think they're legitimate? >> i think it was very unfair to ben. anddn a c ctain way i iwas unfair tome. affected me the same way it affected ben because a lot of votes were added on. a tremendous number of votes were added on.

not thinking about iowa. i'm thinking about new hampshire. i don't care about it anymore. >> i can't help but notice that you're a little humble by what happened in iowa, is that fair to say? >> well, i don't think in terms of it. you know, i worked hard there. i really liked iowa. i like the people of iowa. the caucus system is a very complex system and a lot of thing ks go off with a caucus system. i like this system much better in new hampshire where you go out, you like somebody, you vote. and you can have a ground game and all, but the ground game in iowa is very important whereas the ground game here is different. >> are you looking at your campaign and saying, you know what, maybe i need to do some more traditional things in addition to the nontraditional stuff that's been successful. >> that is true. and i think you'll see it here. very important was that we get through the debate. i didn't want to have a bad debate or even a modest debate. and i think we did very well in the debate according to -- >> some of your iowa staff has said, boy, we could have used more resources here, more there, are they right? >> no, they're totally wrong. i gave them unlimited money. i said do what you have to do.

hey, look, i'm $50 million under budget. i thought by this time i'd have $40 million to $50 million spent and i've spent very little because i haven't had to because people like you put me on all the time. what do i take a commercial for? >> there you go. >> i thought i'd be up to about 45 or $50 million. and, you know, i'm not. i look at somebody like jeb bush where he's spent over $100 million and he's nowhere and i say how does that happen? >> i want to talk about last night's debate. you said there is a lot of eyebrows about waterboarding. >> i would bring back waterbrding and i would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. >> okay. what's the worse? >> well, you didn't see what i said before that. what i said before that is in the middle east you have people chopping other other people's heads. this hasn't happened since medieval times. there's never been anything like thth. and i talked about that. >> i ununrstand. >> and i said, by the way, waterboarding is peanuts compared to what we're talking

so i said i would absolutely approve waterboarding and i would go a lot further. >> what does that mean? >> i'm not going to define it to you on this program, but i would be very much in favor of going beyond waterboarding. believe me, in terms of getting information, it works. >> don't you worry though, look, we're the united states, we set anexample. we're supposed to be b bter t tn that. as much as we're looking at the medieval -- >> sure. >> we don't do those things. >> medieval times. >> they want to be barbaric, we're not. >> they can do it, but we can't. when they flew planes into the world trade center killed thousands of people and many other things that is happening around the world, paris or here, you can do waterboarding and you could go a s sp beyond waterboarding, ittouldn't bother me a little bit. >> another part of the debate had to do with health care. you've been hit on this. it is unclear to me though, you some sort of government system >> yeah. >> you don't like the system that's in there now. that i understand.

>> describe the system you want. >> let me explain. >> okay. >> first of all, what i do, i have a massive company, i have thousands and d ousands of employees. anani have in many dififrent states. you have artificial lines around each state. you know why? because the insurance company taking care of the politicians so they don't want to get rid of the lines. if you get rid of those lines you would have great private insurance and it would take care of most people it would be an unbelievable thing. in addition to that you can have a savings -- you know, you can do the savings situation where you would have health care savings accounts and it would be ntastic. there's to many things you could do. the problem is the insurance companies don't want to do these things and they don't want to specifically get rid of the lines because they'd rather have a monopoly in new york, as an example, then let 50 companies come in and bid. companies from iowa, companies from new hampshire. >> but you're going to have to structure a government program to do this. >> no. here's what you do. you're going to have a great system, but there will be people left that don't have any money. and what i said last night is i don't want people dying in the middle of the street. it's not going to happen if i'm

this isn't single payer. this is using their hospitals to take care of people, you work them out, you reimburse the hospital because we will get -- >> extend medicaid? >> you can do it through medicaid. you can do it through some other way, but i'm just saying very simple -- and this has nothing to do with single. this has to do with humanity. this has to do with having a heart. we can have unbelievable insurance at auch lower cost. i don't know if you know obamacare is going up 35, 45, 55%, the premiums are through the roof, in '17 it collapses. you're going to have people -- you're going to have great plans, but you're going to have people that won't be able to afford even 10 cents. we cannot let them die on the streets, chuck. and we're going to take care of them. whether it's medicaid, or you're going to work out some kind of a deal with hospitals to takeare of these people. but if i'm president, people aren't going to be dying in the streets. >> there was a tough piece this week in "the washington post" implying that your campaign and

women correspondents, women anchors, women reporters than men. it was in the post. trump's penchant for insulting people andnd organizationsns that displease him m well known, less remarked upon however has been the special contempt that trump pours out for the women who chronicle his campaign. >> i think i've been tougher on you than any human being on earth in terms of reporter. >> i think my wife believes that too. >> i'm tougher on you than anybody. >> i've heard these whispers before. there's a perception out there. perception? sisiation. look, she gave me a really phony question. it was a sep question. it wasn't even a question. it was a statement. it was inappropriate. and i hit her hard. i think that's fine. but if you gave me that question, i'd hit you the same way. you are the perfect one -- you have been, you know, under fire from me for a long time. and you are far from a woman. thanks.

haven't seen the report. ii haven't seen it. i get so much publicity i don't get to read everything unfortunately. but this was in "the washington post"? look, i think there are some women -- there's one sitting right over there in the beautiful red dress, do you see that woman over there? i have great respect for that woman. i don't know if she knows that i'm talking about her. i'm talking about you. i would never do that to you. >> i believe he's referring to andrea mitchell. >> i'm referring to andrea. >> i want to ask about one final thing here and in 1999 when you talked about running for president, you hinted that it may be easier to pledge being a one-term president because you'd take the politics out of the second term. do you still feel that way? >> well, i think there are certain advantages but if you're doing a great job -- i've seen people do that and want to go further and do more good people and they never win. because they said one term and it's a real negative. i don't want to say that but there are certain advantages to it. but if we're doing great and if the people like me, if i was

you know, my whole thing is make america great again. we're going to make america great again. make our military strong, take care of our vets, we'll have strong borders, we will have the wall. so many different things, health care, get rid of obamacare, great plans for much less money. we're going to make america eat again. i will tell you if we're doing a great jo we'll keep going. and if we're not, you know, we have automatic termination. it's called the voters will terminate. but that won't happen. >> so you're not doing a one-term pledge? >> no, i'm not going to do a one-term pledge. if i'm doing a good job i'll keep going. >> donald trump, leave it there. see you in south carolina. >> thank you very much. when we come back, what do the iowa results tell us aboutut what may happen in newew hampshire? wellllit's a lot, butt may be not what you think. >> i think we know enough to say with some certainty that new hampshire tonight has made bill the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on

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jake reese, "day to feel alive" a lot of us have been studying what past results in iowa mean for the new hampshire primary. it turns out each of the three leading republican candidates out of iowa have history on their side. it just depends on which history you choose. so if you're t%d cruz, you want to be john kerry in 2004. that year kerry trailed howard dean everywhere, including in

then came the caucuses in iowa. kerry won, dean finished third followed by the dean scream, a kerry surge. kerry wound up winning big in new hampshire. dean was soon out of the race. this is what you want if you're ted cruz. turn your big iowa win into new hampshire gold. up next, the marco rubio and gary heart scenario. in '84 hart trailed walter mondale badly. gary hart still exceeded, quote, expectations, and became the big national story line. sound familiar, senator rubio? well, it worked. hart went onto a big victory in new hampshire the following week and became the chief competitor season. finally, we have donald trump chlts he. he wants to be the george h.w. bush in history. 1988 bush was ahead up over bop bob dole by ten points.. like bush on monday he had a disappointing showing in iowa.

there was a lot of bush campaign hand wringing with bush slipping in the poll. what happened in new hampshire? he hung on in the end quite nicely. he won new hampshire and onto winning the entire republican nomination and of course the presidency itself. so three front-runners eachh have some v vsion ofistory on their sisi, but which version will play o tuesday night? who knows at thi point. i smell a jumble coming. anyway, coming up, with larry david hosting and bernie sanders running, how could "saturday night live" resist? they didn't. >> enough is enough. we need to unite and work together if we're all going to get through the microsoft cloud allows us to access information from anywhere. the microsoft cloud allows us to scale up. microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically. it wasn't too long ago it would take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome. now, we can do a hundred per day. with the microsoft cloud we don't have to build server rooms.

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welcome back. let't' bring back the papal. we'r'rgoing to talk abt the democratic race. to set it up let's put a little composition together of the really harsh attacks that they've been exchanging. here it is. >> being part of the establishment is is in the last quarter having a super pac that raised $15 million from wall street. >> i think it's time to end the veve artful smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out. >> i have been criticized for saying that i believe all of our people are entitled to health care. yes, i plead guilty. >> if you look at a lot of what senator sanders is proposing,

>> what leadership is about is not just swimming with the current. >> this is an efffft by the sanders campaign to basically say anybody who's ever taken a donation, not just from wall street street, if you take it to the national conclusion from anybody, is bought and paid for. >> toipti want to start this conversation on a larger topic we were talkingng about offff cameraa yesterday. what's fascinating about this democratic race is it's the first one in my lifetime that has been a race to the left. we haven't seen that in a long time. it used to be the democratic presidential primary was about the most electable liberal who could hug the middle. and that's still the campaign clinton wanted to run, but that's not the one she has to now. >> it's very hard for her to fight him because this elastic use of the terer prressive. progressiv covered teddy roosevelt, a moderate, you know, activist republican, and then in

left even pro-soviet henry wallace breaking with truman saying the cold war was our fault. i don't think he means that. but he can come out and get the farthest left vor, justike cruz can get the farthestt right voter, and hug that rail. now, hillary would surprise me as why she wants to go chasing after him. why doesn't sheraw the line, why didn't she do it three months ago, i'm not a socialist, i don't hate socialists but i'm not one. here's why, fundamentally i do believe in the free enterprise. that's how our systems work, because of that freedom i don't want the governmenento try to run everytytng. >> b b andrea, the party has moved. >> the party has moved. this reminds me of 1992 and she's lost the base and the women. that's what's stunning here in new hampshire. they are really -- they can't figure out how to combat that. so to try to attract young women whom she lost by such

and in the polling so far here, she's going to women centers who by definition are part of the establishment and there's no female marco rubio. you have to be an older woman to become a senator because the deck is so stacked against you. that's just the reality. so you've got women senators, you've got madeleine albright who validates her foreign policy credentials and criticized his. but these peoplelend the ustration of madeleine albright and of hillary clinton is why don't these young women realize what we went through and how we haven't won the battle yet. and how, oh, this can be taken back. and why aren't they reacting to 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling? >> hallie, you haven't seen it on the trail? >> no. what's interesting to me when you talk about bernie sanders he has amamg a dferentntind of electorate. i spoke with a woman yesteteay she'e'been a registered republican in new hampshire for 15 years. she is going to primary for jeb bush and then switch her registration so she can vote for bernie sanders. she's out there working and volunteering to rally people around sanders because of sort of what he's tapping into that

more broad than just the typical party line. >> both parties are racing too ththr bases. >> i lovehat andrea just said. they're going 1972, i'm all for that. >> but, hugh, the republicans are going '64. >> we have the ability to come back quickly. i must say i was stunned by your interview with senator sanders. i think it makes him not viable as a candidate to be that hard left on foreign policy. i did note thahadonald trump fifished the debate by b bnging night. so you have a terribly unelectable candidates wants to go full against a candidate who has flaws on record and honesty issue. keep going to '72. >> i have to say everybody is going to get brutalized. the two nominees are going to be pretty battered and bruised. >> t t young woman yesterdrd in concord came at hillala iorked fofo you in 2008 but troubled by benghazi and the server, she's people she needs. >> all right. take a quick pause here.

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what'd you make of senator rubio last night? >> it's scripted, you know, message discipline is important. and i envy candidates who can repeat the same thing over and over again. my brother was goooo at that. but to be so scripted that you can't have the agility to show, you know, the leadership skills that you need to be president of the united states i think is -- became clear last night. >> yes, jeb bush comparing marco rubio to his brother, i guess. reflecting on last night's debate a little earlier. i'm going to have a full length interview on that you'll see totorrow morning. we have special coverage on msnbc as everybody knows.

game time. hugh, right -- >> next i've always believed in open convention. i hope i get to go down to south carolina because w's coming out to fight for his brother. marco rubio's got to get off of the floor because of this perceived loss last night and it will be a fantastic. >> let me paint a scenario, then all of a sudden, kasich, bush, rubio, cruz, 17, 16, 15, 14, nobody gets out? >> as iowa passion drives you to go to the caucuses, you have to get involved. here you vote as a civic duty. everybody votesn new hampshirere in the primarars. people are going to go out and vote. when they see rubioaving a problem the other night, they have somebody else it's going to be kasich. he sits there as an option. i think kasich is going to do incredibly well because of civic duty. they're regular voters. >> i thought he had -- by the way kasich had his best debate he's ever had and he's not been great at these debates. >> questionnbout his

fromomere and hisampaigneels like they can do something in, that's a long time away. >> andrea, south carolina's going to be -- we thought -- south carolina's going to make 2000 look like pat-a-cake. that's what i think. >> first of all, you have bernie sanders now trying to compete for the african-american vote. and he's beginning to develop an organization. but you have the verans, the military- >> the republican side this is going to be a battle. >> republican side, donald trump is playing to the veterans and the military. i'm not sure kasich can do that. >> i want a trump-kasich ticket. that's what i want to see. >> i want to bring up a point that has gotten lost that i think may feed into a perception that we don't cover these things the iowa r rults, three of the top four c cdidates on the republicanide were two his hispanics and an african-american. you know, historic night forhe republican party. they're not -- >> regenerating a party that is old life is very important.

a little bit last night. mary kathrine ham who lost her husband in august and delivered their second child in november did a terrific job last night. >> she did. >> i iant to take my hat off to her. she's inspiring. >> absolutely. >> good debate. >> it was a good debate. let's leave here on a lighter note. if you were watching "saturday night live" last night, you would be exucused as we were to two bernie sanders o o stage. we were talking to sanders live in studio8h live with larry david on a boat. >> i am so sick over the 1% getting this preferential treatment. [ applause ] enough is enough. we need to unite and work together if we're all going to get through this. >> sounds like sociaiasm to me. >> democratic socialism.

>> huge difference. >> huge. >> huge. >> that was one more punch line there, andrea, he talked about they land on ellis island and he says, you know, my name is bernie sanders witski, drop the witski, sounds less jewish. >> it's funny we can laugh about that, but the other thing that could be history making and they're talking about it is the first jewish president. >> no, he's going to be the first jewish candidate on the democratic side to win delegates here in new hampshire. it's going to happen. there'e'been history a a over the place. firsrs first, fifit. and i've been surprised all over the coverage. we did it right here. >> talk like this or think like -- >> i know, i know. >> our kids don't get it. >> that's it for today. we'll be back next week because

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