a massacre in arizona brings up memories of earlier shooting rampages and the calls that stopped them. the man who wounded president reagan. plus, take a look at the young man who still takes on three dozen people at the university on campus. some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. all straight ahead tonight on a second look. good evening, i'm julie haener and this is a second look. authorities in arizona, are still sorting through the life

of jared loughner, the 22-year- old man accused of killing six people and critically wounded a congresswoman last weekend at a public appearance outside a grocery store. much has been said about loughner's apparent mental stage and what some says a greater need for gun control. america has been here before. the nation's first significant gun show laws did not come out and about after the assassination of john and robert kennedy and martin luther king jr. and the law known as the brady bill came in eventually of the shooting of reagan and the crippling wounds to james brady. that requires federal background checks and a five- day waiting period to buy a handgun. in that case, he was a mentally- disturbed young man. he had been trying to get the attention of the actress, jody foster. he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. in the 2003, they ruled that

hinkley could leave the mental hospital where he had lived for 22 years for unsupervised visit with his family in the washington, d.c. area. ktvu, ken wayne, reported on the reactions at the time. >> reporter: in 1981, he opened fire on president reagan outside a washington hotel. the president was lifted away by secret service agents, seriously wounded. the two law enforcement officers were also sorcery injured. and the white house press secretary was permanently disabled. a jury found him not guilty by reason of insanity and committed to st. elizabeth hospital. he had claimed that he shot the president to impress act stress, jody frost -- actress, jody foster. he has not ended his fixation with foster that at one time, he had 57 pictures of her in his hospital room. today after five days of court

arguments, the u.s. district judge granted him six unsupervised 12-hour visits in the washington area. saying, "all of the evidence submitted into the court weighs heavily in favor that finding him under appropriate conditions has outlined in this opinion, will not be a danger to himself or to others." nancy reagan said, "although the judge limited mr. hinkley's travel to the washington, d.c. area, we continue to fear for the safety of the general public. our thoughts are with all of his victims today. and especially jim brady and his family as they must continue to live with the tragic consequences of the assassination attempt. >> reporter: when jared loughner opened fire in arizona last weekend, he used the pistol to hide a high ammunition magazine, capable of holding 30 rounds. now, those kinds of magazines were outlawed for a ten-year period until 2004, when they

let the federal gun control law expire. now, den dennis richardson gives us a look back. >> reporter: assault weapons account for about 1% of all guns in private hands. but in a 21-month period in the year of 1994 and '95, assault weapons counted for 13% of all fatal shootings of law enforcement officers nationwide. 20 of those deaths are guns with high capacity magazines, firing dozens of rounds without reloading. and last month, 3,000 officers and friends turned out for the funeral of the oakland police officer, james williams. the person who shot him from ambush was armed with such a

weapon. he did have a large mag, a large capacity one. >> that is the view of most people. you don't need these fake clips to protect yourself. >> reporter: the senator and the coalition of almost a dozen other members of congress, will introduce a bill next week, to ban the import and sale of any magazine clip that holds more than ten rounds. but that bill will be facing well-known oppositions. >> and the magazine has 11 rounds instead of 10. no one will be hurt by that fact. and when you pass laws against having 11 rounds instead of ten, police have to enforce those laws, they researches are taking them on.

>> this is a stupid eye. it is not going to affect violence. it will put more ordinary folks in prison. >> well, this is standard operating procedures. they have certain traited a myth that, you know, everybody has a god-given right to possess anything, whether it is a bazooka or they don't want any regulations. >> reporter: in unless, two years ago, when two men tried to pull off a bank robberies, they loaded themselves with magazines allowing them to hold off. police almost indefinitely. his assault rifle was fed by a magazine that held 30 rounds. four people died before he ran

out of bullets and was killed by police. there are currently more consumer protection laws covering toys and child carseats than there are covering guns the size of the magazines that feed them. the gun industry is the only major industry in the nation, that is not affected by the consumer protection law. while they limit the type of assault weapons you could buy, they do little to limit the magazine. that all reports, they legally bought the gun used in last weekend's rampage. now, new calls to find ways to restrict the gun possession by those considered dangerously mentally ill. in california, lawmakers created a task force nine years ago to collect weapons from people who were convicted of a crime or otherwise been too dangerous to own a firearm. the program is the first of its kind in the nation.

here is ktvu david stevenson, from may 2009. >> they recovered five firearms at that location. hoping to convict criminals to surrounding their weapons in the past. and since the other weapon was out there, they became prohibited for various reasons, including felonien covick, mental health, domestic violence. >> reporter: and each month, the california department of justice, compiles a list of people. >> people are advised when they are in court to turn over their

firearms. but that someone is actually doing what they are suppose to do is where we're having the drop off. >> in the bay area, just four state agents do this work under risky conditions. and they are kind of at the mercy of the person that's on the other side of the door and opens the door. >> and we asked the state to provide a list of prohibited guns. they should have surrendered them to police. about a third of the and that turns into firearms. >> reporter: last friday, we went along as eight teams of the oakland police officers fanned out to reclaim those guns, targeting 46 gun owners.

that prevents him of owning anything. >> other bay area counties are taking up steps to round off from people who are literally unknown. rs it -- after he refused to surrender more than 60 guns, they say that he was not suppose to have them because of a mental condition. they peacefully confiscated 16 pistols and rifles from this west oakland home. the man who had these guns spoke to us off camera. >> they predicted that we'll have as many as 200,000 people homeless here after a huge earthquake. my means of self-protection, yes, they are now missing.

>> reporter: the california department of justice says that some 60% americans are armed. they said that the state depends on local police to help them find the gun. still to come on a second look. a mentally disturbed young man with a gun opens fire on a university campus. we'll take a look back at this deadly rampage at virginia tech. very well.

for many people, last weekend's shooting in arizona are remain sent on the campus -- shooting the arizona man on campus. we have this report at the time. >> reporter: as the country mourns today, investigators are trying to piecing together how and why that a young man would

violently take so many lives along with his own. >> the injuries were just amazing. there wasn't a shooting victim that had less than three bullet wounds in them. >> he was just silent. i'm not sure if he was frustrated about not finding the person he was looking for. >> he was the 27-year-old, a senior english major at virginia tech, took on a bizarre writing, so disturbed that the former head of the english department, that she pulled him out of class, taught him one on one and referred him to counseling. >> i didn't feel like i would leave him in the classroom because some of the other students seemed to be uncomfortable. >> whether she reported her concerns to administrators who says that they contain no specific threats and we're just free speech. >> you back up and he shot twice into the middle of the

year. i heard the clip dropping to the ground, reloading. i thought he was coming back for a second round and get his way back in there. he didn't say a word and just firing down the halls. >> reporter: cho came from the university from south korea 15 years ago, living in this suburb called centerville for his parents who work at a dry cleaner. >> i know that the family is a sweetheart. they always seemed very polite. >> reporter: police found no suicide note, but they found writings where he railed against women and rich kids and reportedly said that they made me do it. described as a loner, a

permanent legal resident with his green -- described as a loaner, a permanent legal resident with his green card. that he signed in with a question mark instead of his name. he seldom spoke. "we just knew him as the question mark kid." the world now knows his name, but the question mark remains a name. a year after the virginia tech shootings, president george w. bush sign add law to make itharder for anyone whom the court has found to be mentally defective to buy a gun. requiring that mental records from those court cases be sent to the fbi to be included in the federal background check. now, required before a dealer could sell it down. some of the least restrictive

in the country. >> you actually have a piece on you. and i think that it's somebody else saying i'm not going for that guy whatever. >> people want to tend to get, you know, an argument and stuff as they have something handy. i just don't like guns myself. and so you know, i would rather see them have more control, not less. a little later, why are these people packing heat in walnut creek?

for example, since last year, any legal gun may carry his or her weapon without a permit. they have been one of 36 states for the permit to any law- abiding citizen who requested one before the change last year, eliminating that permit entirely. in 1996, ktvu visited phoenix at a time when california was considering a law to make it easier to carry

a concealed weapon. in the arizona desert on the outskirts of phoenix, they teach the advance self-defense to a mother and to a manager of the fast food restaurant. >> now, before you shoot this guy, drop the knife. >> drop it right now. put it down! put it down! >> they tell them that a person with a knife created 21 feet in four seconds. they better be prepared. >> that's nice. >> and that first shot was high, the second shot was down. >> arizona is one of 29 states that are now around members of the general public to carry concealed weapons. you have to be at least 21 years with no history of the criminal behavior or the mental illness. and you have to complete a 16 hour gun training and safety program. california is considering a similar law. and in arizona, it is not uncommon for residence to go to work or even the grocery store

fully armed. with guns tucked away in persons and in pockets. you can see how that feels. so i have a five shot, 22 revolver. single action. it has to be chalked each time. >> they wear what they call thunder wear, a holster with a glock model, 17. arizona has issued 40,000 weapon permits. >> and i hope to god that i never ever have to use it. the only gunfight you can guarantee winning. i hope i never have to use it. i have two small children. if anything ever happens, i want to be prepared. >> it makes them wonder who he

is and who is not armed. >> if you actually have a piece on you, i think that it is somebody saying i'm not going to go back out, whatever. i just didn't go for that thing. >> this woman sleeps with it underneath her pillow. >> i would like to be in a position that someone was there and i was in a position to defend myself very quickly. >> it seems to me that the places where, you know, the firearms are prohibited, the other places that criminals are more likely to suspect his pray to be unarmed. of course, not arizona in arizona is a part of the gun culture. many residence dislike not only the concealed weapon's law, but the idea that people are allowed to carry guns in public at all. >> i was like oh, what is that all about? >> people, they tend to get, you know, arguments and stuff. if they have something handy, then they will pull it out and use it. i just don't like guns myself.

i would rather see them get more control of it. >> i don't think that anybody should have a concealed weapon other than a police officer. >> let them go! get out of here. >> reporter: but could they deter crime? no reliable studies to support either side. now, one research concludes that hoes with guns are three times more likely to be the scene of a homicide. and it is another report that gun owners use firearms in self- defense, $2.5 million times a year. most criminologies call them a flawed. in phoenix, the homicide rate increased by a third since they began issuing the concealed weapons permit almost two years ago. but police say that is because of the drugs and gangs, not concealed weapons. police also say that your chances of becoming a random of a crime is minuscule whether you carry a gun or not. based on the scholarships that are out right now.

do not add or subject -- do not add or change the subject. do you think that most people should be allowed to carry a weapon in california?

there is a movement in open carry laws, allowing people to openly carry a loaded weapon in public without a permit. right now, the loaded part is generally illegal in california. but they found some people who want to change that. >> it was enough to turn a few heads on walnut creek, packing heat. >> what we're trying to do, we're trying to educate people on what the law is. make sure that they know what their options are. >> reporter: he was one of about 50 who gathered to exercise their right to openly carry handguns. they met this morning at the

buck horn grill. most carry holstered handguns and clips of ammunition. >> it's just a personal choice that a lot of us make to have met them protecting themselves. >> reporter: concealed weapons in california require a special permit. but it is legal to openly carry an unloaded handgun and ham munition with some exceptions. >> the biggest issue is the school zones. currently in the state of california, you cannot go withina thousand feet of the kindergarten through 12th school, or else you will be violating the law. >> they walk by the group, without noticing that they were armed. >> i did not see any guns. maybe that some police officers were something. >> reporter: and reactions to the gathering was mixed. >> i think that it is inappropriate for people, ordinary people to carry guns. >> they are no good. i want to have one too. >> yes, me too. >> reporter: karen is a coordinator for the brady campaign in california, which says that they persuaded pete's

coffee to ban guns in their stores after a similar gathering last month. it may be a right, but openly carrying a handgun is irresponsible. >> it may be illegal to strap a machete around the waist and go down to a local playground. but reasonable people find that intimidating. this is an act of intimidation. >> we're not trying to scare people or intimidate people, which is what many people think we're trying to do. >> reporter: these open-car supporters say they want the law to change to allow them to carry loaded guns in california. but for now, they plan to continue meeting and will likely turn more heads. >> that's it for this week's second look. i'm julie haener, thank you so much for watching.