developing news right now eight people shot to death tonight in west oakland, including a 1-year-old boy. good evening i'm frank somerville. >> and i'm julie haener. the violence broke out possibly while a rap video was being shot. we begin with debra villalon. >> reporter: take a look first of all at all the bullet markers. we have counted at least 50.

this was a blizzard of gunfire. and police say it started over here with dozens of people in this parking lot drinking and shooting a music video just after dark. police say the wounded were gone before they even arrived. driven to emergency rooms in private vehicles. even the child caught in the cross fire. >> we're aware of a 1-year-old boy who was shot, possibly in the head. is in critical condition right now. >> reporter: at least six people were firing guns in a crowd of 20 to 30. and it started in the parking lot of state liquor. about a block from the campbell housing projects. >> a lot of times it's a lot of people acting stupid over there. >> reporter: the lower neighborhood gets its share of police calls but nobody remembers anything like this gun battle. beforehand as the crowd grew getting louder, residents were worried. >> my husband called opd a

couple of times. and then a few minutes after that, heard all those gunshots. >> reporter: dozens of gunshots, they shattered this window at a chinese restaurant across the street. three customers were inside at the time. they ran with staff into the kitchen to get away. with b.a.r.t. trains running alongside and the postoffice processing facility just steps away, stray bullets might have hurt anyone. >> a mother is really hurt right now. a family is tore up behind this and it just doesn't make no sense. have some respect for other people's lives. you know other people. it's just terrible. >> reporter: as evidence technicians combed this scene i'm told this investigation is moving fast. a surveillance camera on the liquor store captured the whole thing and that is helping police identify vehicles and suspects. the lieutenant in charge of this scene told me just minutes ago they are making progress on a motive and they might even

serve search warrants before the night is out. we're live in west oakland, debra villalone. now to alex sadvedge where the 1-year-old boy was taken to children's hospital. >> reporter: i'm told that boy is just shy of 2 years old. anger and sadness as relatives gathered outside children's hospital in oakland tonight. looking for word on the condition of a 1-year-old boy shot in the head. relatives say the child was breathing after arriving and is now undergoing surgery to relieve swelling on his brain. police say the boy's father who was also injured by gunfire drove them both to children's hospital then later a third person also came here with a gunshot wound. >> you feel like he's going to

pull through? >> i know he is. i know he is. i have faith in god and he's innocent. he's a baby, so, he's going to be okay. he's a strong little boy. healthy little baby, so he'll be all right. he's going to pull through this. and we're going to be right here waiting. >> reporter: meantime oakland police said five other people showed up to hospitals with gunshot wounds. four are in serious condition. one of the rapper's friends told me tonight kafani was not shot. police searched that van for evidence. meantime back here at children's hospital in oakland, friends and family are waiting for that 1-year-old boy to get out of surgery. everyone i spoke to today hoping he will pull through alex savidge. we will be monitoring developments overnight and have the very latest beginning with

the ktvu morning news at 4:30 tomorrow. occupy oakland protesters say they intend to return to frank ogawa plaza to begin a 24 hour vigil. they say they intend to erect symbolic structures but do not intend to sleep in the plaza. we spoke to de la fuente and said he will not allow not even one tent to go up. the protesters went to federal court and argue had the the city council passed a prosecution with occupy oakland. legal activists say it's unlike the court will side with the occupiers. an exclusive new ktvu feel

poll shows californians are split on the occupy movement. the majority say they do agree with the reasoning behind the occupy protest. protesters interrupted a regents meeting tonight. the regents were discussing next year's budget when the students startedded to demand that the wealthy pay more taxes for education -- students started to demand that the wealthy pay more taxes for education. >> the board of regents would rather meet behind closed doors than to talk with the rest of us about how to make banks and millionaires pay for public education. >> reporter: uc president says the students should be taking their protest to sacramento since it was the state legislature that cut the budget. a confrontation at uc davis. that story coming up. black friday turn into green monday as stocks surged

today due to a strong start to the holiday season. as consumer editor tom vacar found out, there are positive signs to be found instore and all around. >> reporter: there's good news thanks to a good black friday and big green weekend. michael fenley does not think this is an accidental phenomenal. >> everything looks like it's going to be a good year. >> black friday being the best black friday since they started taking notes on this. >> reporter: by phone we spoke to daniel peg ceo of drop down deals.com that finds coupons as low as discount and promotion codes you can use for online

shopping. >> almost a 26% increase over last year in online shopping for the same weekend. and we're going to see about $1.2 billion in sales this cyber monday. >> reporter: for millions of shoppers, shopping is now in person and online. >> things you can't find or you can buy on wholesale at amazon. >> i do 85% of it online and 5% out here. >> reporter: since much of the spending truly is discretionary, it may mean a good turn for the economy. more details now on cyber monday. the retail federation estimates 123 million people shopped online today. last year almost 750,000 people took part in cyber monday. one analyst said about 1/3 of purchases are being made by i pad users. on our facebook wall we

asked if you shopped online from work today. and yes i'm replying while i'm still at work. aha. rick scuze and others said, too busy at work to shop. guess i shouldn't complain about that situation. did you find a great deal online today, tell us on facebook. federal officials are going after online counter fitters on this cyber monday. officials say the website's targeted online bargain hunters and sold them fake or pirated merchandise. the results show that while most of the domain names were registered in the domain name, most were run from china.

no one has been charged. police say 29-year-old al bartell remains in a coma tonight. he was hit by a driver in a parking lot at gary boulevard and ninth avenue early thanksgiving morning. police released the suspected video of the driver. investigators say it shows a man at a jack in the box where he got into a fight with bartel. police have an imagine of the driver captured by cell phone. they think the man is driving a late model mazda cx with custom 12 spoke rims. you can get a look at that video, on our website. just look for the link on the top of the web page. they're responsible for over $20 million in fraud. a major fraud scheme with ties to the bay area. the major push to identify

those involved. and the weather advisory service has issued another warning. i'll tell you where it is now.

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in medicare scams. ktvu's ken pritchett talked to a federal agency with a new top ten list of accused medicare criminals and the connection to the bay area. >> reporter: this is 25-year- old ecetarina slikova of russia accused of living it up from money stolen from medicare. she was part of an organized crime network that stole over $50 million a crime that started with i.d. theft of medicare residents skr- z they will steal, they match those two together and they bill medicare for millions of the dollars of services they never provided. >> reporter: money was laundered through thousands of fake businesses including a bogus doctors office in this san francisco building. and a bay area doctors identity was stolen by the group. >> now they come knocking at your door and says, you owe tacks on $3 million of income

and you have no idea what they're talking about. >> reporter: but after years of investigation of slyvoka she bailed and went back to russia. when they knock down one of these medicare organized crime screams -- schemes some of the same people resurface later. they're looking into a bakery that is being used as a front for a brand new medicare scheme. the hope is that highlights the slycova case and the top ten list will get the public involved to help stop a seemingly unstoppable and profitable fraud. ken pritchett, ktvu news. republican presidential candidate herman cain is denying accusations of a 13

year affair. a woman says she decided to go public after other women accused him of sexual harass -pl. >> i didn't want to do this but i felt at the end of the day, it was the right thing to do. is it going to hurt a lot of people? yes. and i'm going to be one of them. >> reporter: cain has dismissed other charges of sexual harassment. liberal congressman rodney frank announced he will not seek reelection next year. the massachusetts democrat has served in congress since 1980. his legacy will include his fight for gay rights and same- sex marriage plus his leadership of the committee. there are other things he says he would like to do with his life. the protest at uc davis is showing no signs of slowing down. students called for a general strike today that continued right on into the evening. ktvu's ken wayne is live at the

uc davis campus now and tells us whether that general strike was successful today. >> reporter: it's a quiet end to what's been at times a boisterous day. the university says there were 250 classes scheduled for today and most students were able to attend class despite that call for a general strike. >> resist investigation, hide the truth from the population. >> reporter: students converged on dutton hall where the financial aid office is located and where classes are usually held upstairs. some students blocked the stairs making access difficult and one student even blocked the elevator. >> i figured if we're going to short of not have business as usual today then let's not have business as usual today. >> it hurts every time the doors close on me so i probably won't keep them up forever. >> the students are outraged of rising costs and held a protest during the regents meeting. >> i'm tired of doing nothing.

when i came here as a freshman i spade $2,500 for school, now i'm up to 6,000. >> reporter: the students waited for the new infamous occupy protesters. >> i don't agree with pepper spraying people if they're not hurting anybody. >> i saw a lot of people out here and it wasn't just in protest, it was people learning. and sharing experiences. that was really inspiring. >> reporter: some students said it put their studies on hold. natalie boyd's english class was cancelled. >> kind of sucks because that's my major class so i really need to go and i have finals coming up. tomorrow faculty members will meet to air their concerns. there's word that some will

asked for her resignation. the economic senate released four -- a stapding room only crowd showed up for the meeting. the resolutions condemn the police response on november 9 where officers were seen using batons on demonstrators. they also asked the university to take responsibility for that incident. the senate decided not to take a no competence vote on the chancellor. he did address the crowd. >> i'm extraordinarily disturbed that these events happened. i apologize once, i'll apologize again and frankly as chancellor take full responsibility. >> while the senate passed the resolution it opted not to send it to the full faculty for a vote. uc berkeley police issued an open letter to students, faculty and administration while defending officers response they also took aim at officials saying, please don't ask us to enforce your policies then refuse to stand by us when we do. new at 10:00, two east bay

sisters are issuing thanks to god and a good samaritan. kiana richardson was about to put money down for an apartment for herself and two children. when she stopped by arismendis for a piece of pizza. some where along the way she lost the envelope and all the money inside. anderson said she thought the money was a lost cause until today when she went back to erizmendi for more pizza. a man who worked there asked her her name then handed her the envelope. >> i just hugged him and cried. i offered him a he ward and he said no, he didn't want anything -- him a reward and he said no. he didn't want anything. until the dense fog is getting ready to reform out there. the dewpoints are high. the current loop shows the high

clouds from today going south. i just penciled in the area, we're going to see is denses fog tonight. this will be the third morning in a row. it'll be thick out there. the dewpoints are in the low 40s, temperatures forecast again into the upper 30s. fog is going to be a certainty up in santa rosa, napa, vallejo. pretty much where you had it this morning. it's also going to be out in the san francisco bay and that's a bad thing because it's really tough for the mariners. for the ferry boat on -- operators. for the fishermen. dense fog advisory in effect for tomorrow morning. we're going to look directly at your forecast with a dense advisory coming around the corner. i'll see you then? there was a festive spirit in the castro where a large

crowd gathered to light a tree. may where -- mayor ed lee was on hand to count down to the tree lighting. greg suhr was among those who turned out tonight. and a blessing tonight reminded those who gathered there that this holiday is about sharing love and happiness with everyone you meet. a stunned neighborhood, the crime scene discovered inside a police officer's house after he and his wife hasn't been heard from in days. and a surge in gold theft prompted by the jump in gold. how one bay area city is responding. alright, so we have $10. you could get two things for $4 and one for $2. or five things for $2. or one for $6 and two for $2. [ male announcer ] with denny's 2-4-6-8 value menu, we're open to all new ways to save you money. [ imitates explosion ] [ male announcer ] dnyny's.

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who apparently killed his wife was a san jose police sergeant. ktvu's robert handa tells us what fellow officers are saying. >> reporter: the schimick family home is hauntingly quiet today. family and friends had called gilroy police late last night asking officers to do a welfare check because no one had been able to contact the schimicks during the holiday weekend. >> once we got into the home we found a female who had been diseased. we found a man who had died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> reporter: that male was christopher schimick, the woman, his wife. the couples two teenage children were not home at the time. neighbors were stunned. >> a very nice affluent area, brand new high school, brand new homes, you don't expect to hear or see anything happening in this area. especially being a cop and a

law enforcement officer. it's just shopping and appalling. >> reporter: san jose police say schimick did not appear to be having difficulties of the work and the police department is reeling. >> it's very difficult for these officers to come to grips with that type of violence. >> police officer or not this is a horrible case. very tragic incident for the family and community. >> reporter: the police investigation is continuing, the san jose police department is offering counseling to any officers who requests it. in gilroy, robert handa, ktvu channel 2 news. oakland is trying to stop an explosion in gold thefts. so now the city council has put a moratorium on new pawnshops. the number of legal and illegal business have grown

significantly. councilman ignacio de la fuente says that robberies are getting out of control. >> it's easy money. they rob somebody on 34th and go to 35th and sell it. that's the problem. >> reporter: he says he will have new regulations for pawnshops ready for the city council to vote on after the new year. the price of gold rose more than $25 today. gold sold for more than $1,700 a ounce. the price of gold was up as the price of dollars weakened that makes gold cheaper to buy than other currencies. floor by floor, crews are now taking down an historic apartment building that was gutted by fire ten days ago. today crews began working on the top two floors. the demolition is expected to be done by friday. firefighters say they still have not determined what caused that five alarm fire. out of the cold and into a

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the doctor convicted in the death of michael jackson is set to hear his sentence tomorrow. prosecutors want dr. murray to serve the maximum four year prison term and pay restitution. the defense is fighting for the

shortest conviction. an initial exam found oscar hernandez to be competent. he's charged with the murder attempt of president obama. hernandez is being held without bail. on the monday after thanksgiving cold weather shelters open to house the homeless. lloyd lacuesta is live now at the national guard armory in sunny vale where many homeless are taking advantage of a warm bed. >> reporter: i've been told there are 89 men and women bedding. there's room for 129 beds and cots. it's not much but it's a warm refuge. among those that came in from the cold, emily patty who for the first time in her life found her in a shelter. >> where have you been staying? >> under the trees in the park.

i ended up in the hospital three times already. >> reporter: officials say these are the chronically homeless. don galvin says this is his second year. >> i like it. it's very clean. people are nice. >> reporter: the care includes medical care. there are more than 7,000 homeless in santa clara county on any given night. that's more than san francisco. but here they are not as visible. >> people are living in encampments, in their cars. they are folks you may be working with every day who may be living in their car and you wouldn't even know they were homeless. >> reporter: this woman sought shelter here, she now has a place to stay and works in the sheller program -- in the shelter program. >> i decided to give back what i got from here last year. >> reporter: some say while they're homeless they're not hopeless. >> i can't believe i'm in this situation but i will drag

myself out of this. i'm not -- will never turn this down when i get back up there, this is going to be my thing. to help the homeless. >> reporter: last year 52 people in santa clara county died while living on the streets. live in sunny vale, lloyd lacuesta. the ninth circuit court of appeals agreed to reconsider a legal challenge to an alameda county law that bans guns and am in addition on public property. back in may a three judge panel ruled in favor of that 1999 ban. but gun rights group says the law infringes on their rights to bear arms and argued on an appeal. now the 11th judge panel is expected to take up that issue. >> the walnut creek council is set to hold a meeting to talk about broadway plaza. it would include some housing

units and close off most of broadway plaza to street traffic. no decision is expected at tomorrow's meeting. >> the body of a danville marine killed in afghanistan was returned home to his family today. while a whole community turned out everyone honored him. ktvu's jade hernandez told us how josh corral is being remembered. >> reporter: the plane landed at travis air force base to a somber welcome. lance corporate josh corral's family paying respect along the motorcade's group. fire and police department from every city. this one from benetia. entering dan vale nearly 400 students, teachers, faculty and parents from josh's grade school lined the streets. his former principal reminisced about the boy who dreamt of joining the marines. >> josh was those kind that his teachers adored. he was a spit fire and earl big

smile. >> my children have gone to school with josh at the christian academy down the street. and it hurts. >> it brings all of our community together. doesn't matter what high school you're going to. >> reporter: the most stunning moment of silence as josh's motorcade rolled by his high school. a place where he played football and graduated from just a few short years ago. >> he was a good kid. he was fearless. wasn't scared of anything. i can't imagine what their family is feeling right now. >> reporter: the corral family hopes to hold josh's funeral here on wednesday. he was only 19 years old. jade hernandez, ktvu channel 2 news. an honor guard received the flag this morning at san francisco airport. the flag was flown at ground zero and is used to pay tribute to those who have died in the line of duty protecting the

country or serving. kapoot's funeral will be held tuesday. we want to show you a picture of 19-year-old cassie lloyd. her family describes her as a special need student and an at risk student. she was last seen at 9:30 at her home. her family says she has disappeared before but that she's never been gone for more than a night. anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the contra costa sheriff's department. the end of a skateboarding era in the east bay. caltrans says what was once here could come back again. and back here in ten minutes, tracking that dense valley fog. a dense fog advisory in effect for much of the bay area tonight. you don't see this every night, two men, both over 70 getting into a fight during an award assembly. and one of them just happens to be the most well known athlete in cal history.

skateboarders in oakland are mourning the demise of a popular destination tonight the park had been there for about seven years, in 2005 caltrans reached a deal with the city of oakland and a nonprofit group representing skaters for a three year lease at that location. but caltrans says necessary safety changes were never made to the park and the city decided not to renew the lease. skaters said they were sorry to see the park go. >> totally bummed that -- i don't know, took a lot longer to build than it's going down. >> reporter: a spokesman for caltrans says the agency is willing to work with any group that wants to build a professional skate park at that site. the oakland man who claims he was beaten by b.a.r.t.

police officers took the witness stand today. kenneth corrothers says he's no angel but did not deserve to be beaten. he claims that mehserle grabbed him and kicked him to the ground. also in oakland prosecutors urged jurors to convict the suspected gang member of murder. last may, 17-year-old detained franklin jr. was shot and killed as he was riding his bike. prosecutors say his killer was michael franksman. frank franklin was about to graduate. franksman says that he killed franklin because he belonged to a rival gang. the lines appeared longer at the women only polls.

these are the first elections since mubarack was pushed out. the u.n. says some 250 children were among the 3,500 killed and some of them were tortured. in australia, thousands of people have been stranded by rising flood waters in the northern part of the new south whales. a 3-year-old child died when he was swept away. officials say one town could be cut off for about a week so supplies are now being helicoptered in. facebook plans to seek a value of $100 billion when it files for initial public offering. the palo alto company is the most popular social network in the world and has long been rumored to be going public. the journal add facebook could

file early next year with a unveiling in the spring. facebook has $23 billion in estimated sales. general motors is getting in touch with chevy volt owners to tell them the car is safe. gm is also going to offer loaner cars to volt owners who are concerned about their safety. there are currently more than 5,000-volt owners in the united states. a two week delay but now crab season is on. the breakthrough making it happen. our chief meteorologist bill martin is tracking fog that may impact our morning commute. he's back with our complete forecast. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation,

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understood way. fishermen have been holding out for $2.50 a found. buyers were offering $2 a pound. john fowler tells us what they finally settled for and how long until fresh crab is available. >> reporter: some 50 crab boat crews loaded up, and steamed out of san francisco today after negotiating $2.25 a pound for dungenous. >> we settled on a price and untied the fleet and we're going to work so yeah it's a good day. >> reporter: and a good day for crab fanatics who say it's about time. >> it's crab season and we would like to crab please. >> i love good dungenous crab. i brought my family up from texas. >> i'll be ready to go to the store and get some. i'm excited. >> reporter: seafood sellers are excited too. the traditional thanksgiving table just isn't right without this. >> thanksgiving hurt a little bit because there was no crab

and everybody really wanted it. >> reporter: $2.25 a pound for crab is the same as 25 years ago. and they had to hold out for that. >> i know how big important a part of thanksgiving. i feel bad but we can't work for free. >> reporter: fishermen say depending on the weather and how rapidly these pots fill up, there could be fresh dungenous for sale as early as tomorrow night. scary moments at napa county airport today after a plane ran off the runway. it happened just before 5:00 this evening. the faa tells us that the pilot of a single engine plane was practicing a touch and go landing when the plane slid off the left of the runway. the pilot was the only person on board, he was not hurt. the owner of ringling

brothers circus has reached a settlement. the usda accused ringling bros. circus. a dress worn by winehouse will be auctioned off. auction nears expect winehouse dress to sell for up to $20,000 -- auctioneers expect winehouse ' dress to sell for up to $20,000. president obama says the crisis has a ripple effect on american jobs because we export many of our goods to europe. they also discussed weapons in iran and the prospect for peace

in the middle east. it took 20 days to travel 4,500 miles. today a tree from california arrived at the u.s. capital. the 65-foot tall white fir came from the stanislaus national forest. house speaker john boehner will have the honor to flip the switch and turn on the lights a week from tomorrow. a few high clouds out there right now. you can see live storm tracker 2. clouds heading south, a dense fog advisory in effect for parts of the bay area. here's how it breaks down tomorrow for san francisco we're looking for mostly cloudy skies in the morning with areas of very dense fog. temperatures in the afternoon in san francisco could easily get into the low 60s. dry and mild weather as we go through time. but daytime high in the city 62 degrees so not a bad day at

all. your forecast then for that thick fog to continue. dense valley fog in the forecast. visibility are going to go down to at least .25 of a mile. especially out by fairfield and napa, antioch and concord. really dense fog. the fog is forming right now. i mentioned earlier the dewpoints are running in the mid-40s. temperatures already in the mid- 40s. so i've mentioned this in an earlier show too. you know how you're driving around sometimes and you see that haze. you can see the fog forming. that's the point where the temperature has reached the dewpoint temperature and immediately you're seeing condensation right there. it's usually right at the ground level. that's why valley fog, radiation fog all the same thing. that's why it could be so nasty as you're driving around. the dense fog advisory in the area, it's nasty it's as bad as it gets in the bay. the shipping interest in the bay, the ferry boats. remember how bad it was in the

bridges this morning. potentially that bad again tomorrow. i've had reports down by redwood shores, a stanford woman's crew team they can't work out. the visibility is so poor you can't crew when you're out there. there's all sorts of interests that are impacted by this fog. i was talking to somebody who delivers newspapers until the morning, it's tough to see the addresses. light breeze in the forecast but no rain in the forecast. computer model doesn't do a great job picking up the fog in the north bay. tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. but you can see it picking up the big massive fog out in the central valley. that central fog extends south. if you have interest on highway 99 or 95 be ready for that. everything changes around as we head into late tomorrow night early wednesday when the winds pick up. a wind advisory will go into effect. temperatures will be warmer than these in some places on wednesday and thursday. but that wind what it will effectively do, scour out the

fog and blow it out of there. with that fog gone, it'll be easier to drive around. five day forecast breaking out like this with your bay area weekend in view. you can see right there i've got fog in the forecast. each and every morning once we get past friday again. so dry pattern usually does bring the fog. >> i used to crew for berkeley high. i don't think i've ever heard of a crew practice being cancelled. that's incredible. >> it's very hard to see. it's really a mess out on the bay. >> thank you bill. >> yeah. city leaders and developers were on hand to celebrate the south bay's newest affordable housing development. brookwood terrace has 84 units.

the facilities at berkwood terrace include a courtyard and a home work center. the ski patrol is hoping you might consider working with them. it's the ski patrol that helps those who became ill or injured. you must spend three months learning first aid in the snow. -- snow boarders and skiers get in trouble almost every day. the ski patrol does not pay however there is the potential to get lifelong ski passes and also discounts on places to stay. >> lifelong ski passes; sounds like a deal. the -- coming up next, we

have the progress of a hawk that had a nail in his head.

some good news to report tonight about that hawk found with a nail in its head last month in golden gate park. officials say the bird is doing great and back in the wild. the bird appeared in good spirits. she was released november 1st after a few days at an animal hospital. authorities are still looking for the person responsible for injuring the bird.

>> what a beautiful animal. >> yeah. >> and mark is here with sports. >> you boil it down hockey pretty simply you put the puck in the net. the sharks have only three goals in their last nine periods. not exactly rivetting to watch. and the results aren't there either as we watch a second straight loss down in l. a. side of the net his first goal in over a year. comes against the sharks. 1-0 second period. nice combination here. simon gagne to mike richards. he will manage to get that pass to nieme. in the net. one of the best in the business no shame in oozing to him. on to some college hoop where cal has lined up a few gimmies

and they do what they should do against the likes of mitmie state. beat them and beat them bad. matches the best record ever under their leadership. gutierrez to level it in. it's harper camp to the cutty. alan crab with 20 points. rebound tonight finding some other local motion on the college court to tell you about. the widest margin of victory ever for the cardinal over uop and st. mary's wins a tournament there. they have their way against weber state. coming up fast in the 49ers rear-view mirror the saints. each has their division pretty much wrapped up but up for grabs is the bye week when the

play offs start. they don't want to play that first week. eli's team demolished drew breas at the start. 24-33. 363yards passing, four touchtowns one of them there to jimmy graham. they looked basically disinterested. you can bury the hatchet when you have a disagreement but nobody said anything about a cane. watch joe cap as he tried to give angelo mascow some flowers there. they got into a beef when they both played in the canadian football league. and there's no forgive and forget there. both of these guys 73 years old. and that was not a set up either. they were going at it hard. and the mc of the event says that's proof you just don't miss your meds with alcohol. that's a sporting life. >> i don't know if i should

laugh at that or not. >> i know, really, seriously. >> truer words never spoken whether you laughed at it or not. >> oh, those guys. thank you for joining us. we will see you again when news breaks. this holiday season

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