tv Right This Minute FOX November 9, 2014 4:00pm-4:31pm PST
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you think she killed johnny boz? for what? to set me up? she loved me. she wouldn't frame me. maybe she got jealous of johnny, too. she didn't. she never got jealous before. she got excited. i don't have luck with women. there was this girl i met when i was in college. i slept with her once. she started following me around, taking my picture. she dyed her hair. copied my clothes. lisa... something--oberman.
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it was awful. i thought you didn't make confessions. i never did before. gus: another nice girl. how old was she when it happened? 16. we seal juvenile records until they're deceased. that's why you couldn't find it in your computer. what was the motive? she said she didn't know herself-- just did it on impulse. the razor just happened to be there. that's what she said. makes you wonder what they talked about when they sit by the campfire. you ever met a friend of hers
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hasn't killed somebody? must've beat your ordinary, everyday girl talk. i'm not sure anymore she did it. which one we talking about now, hoss? we know hazel did it. we know roxy did it. the other one got that magna cum laude talk on her that done fried up your brain. oberman. mark w., donald m. sorry. no lisa. you're sure about the year? catherine tramell graduated in '83, yeah. she said lisa oberman was here at the same time. ok. yeah, we have tramell...
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but no lisa oberman. you're sure there can't be a mistake? only if you're making it, detective. hi. hazel, this is nick. i told you all about him. nick, this is hazel dobkins. you're the shooter, aren't you? well, how are you? fine, thank you. can i speak to you? honey, would you wait for me in the car? good-bye, shooter. like to hang out with murderers or what? you know that roxy was involved-- of course. i write about unusual people, and sometimes i get involved with them. it happened with you.
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killing isn't like smoking. you can quit. i got to go. i promised i'd get her home by 6:00. she loves america's most wanted. there was no lisa oberman when you were at berkeley. what are you doing, checking up on me? for what? i said hoberman. hoberman. lisa hoberman with an "h." you do? all right. thank you very much. i can get my butt kicked for this. you're not supposed to be here. it will only take a minute.
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bring it up. that's dr. garner, isn't it? bring up '83. you shouldn't leave your door open. i didn't. there's something wrong with my lock. what do you want? tell me about catherine. she told you, didn't she? what did she tell me, beth? i slept with her once in school. i was just a kid. i was experimenting. it was just that one time.
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she developed a fixation on me. she styled her hair like mine. she wore the same kind of clothes i did. scared me. isn't that what she told you? she said it was you. you dressed like her. you dyed your hair blond. dyeing my hair had nothing to do with her. did you know noah goldstein? i had him for 2 classes. you saw the reports. you never said anything! like what? "hey, guys, i'm not gay, but i did your suspect"? i was embarrassed. it was the only time i'd been with a woman. she's really sick, you know. do you know what she's doing? she knows i went to berkeley, that i knew noah. she makes up this story about me. she's handing you somebody who's obsessed with her. she doesn't even know you. she told me about a lisa hoberman. she knows you'd find out who lisa hoberman is. did she tell you casually,
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make it seem irrelevant? i mean, did she tell you in bed, nick? that's what i'd do. why'd you change your name? i got married. he called me beth. he was on staff at the clinic in salinas. didn't last long. nick, do you really think i could kill someone? i never even met johnny boz. and nilson-- what motive would i have to kill nilson? you should get that lock fixed. she's evil! she's brilliant!
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did i scare you? i wanted to surprise you. what's wrong? i found lisa hoberman. oh, you did? what's she doing? oh, you're not going to tell me what she's doing. i thought we were done playing games. i did, too. she said you got it backwards, you even styled your hair like she did. and you believed her? i had to go down to the campus police and file a report about her. i suppose you still think i kill people, too, right? no. liar. ah. here we go. huh. kind of. there was a report about a lisa hoberman,
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january 1980, but it's out of here. who's got it? one of your guys. nilson. you know him? yeah. thanks a lot. tell him to bring it back. he's had it a whole year. you don't know what was in that report. catherine told me. if she's telling you the truth. if beth killed johnny boz to frame catherine, she wouldn't want anyone knowing what happened in berkeley. nilson found out about it. that gives her the motive. how did she know nilson found out, if it happened? he was i.a. he probably asked her. she had to be nuttier than a 20-pound christmas fruitcake. she doesn't hang out with multiple murderers. your girlfriend does. she's a writer. that's her job. i don't buy it. somebody at berkeley knows what happened. i know what happened! catherine told me! everything she says has checked out! you got tweety birds fluttering around in your head! you think you can act like minks, raise rug rats...
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good morning. i'm looking for a dr. garner. she doesn't work here anymore. she's in san francisco with the police. i'm looking for her husband. he works here, too, doesn't he? dr. joseph garner? is she married? you know him? he died 5 or 6 years ago. how? he was shot. thank you. he was walking home from work. somebody just drove by and shot him. what was the murder weapon? revolver. .38. unrecovered. watch yourself. any suspects? no suspects. no motive. unsolved. was his wife ever a suspect? one of your guys was down here from frisco about a year ago.
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they was asking the same exact thing. mind telling me what the hell's going on? routine. routine? that's exactly what he said. now i got two of you telling me it's routine? you remember the other guy's name? no. can't really say that i do. nilson? nilson, yeah. that was it. so, was she ever a suspect? nope. there was some talk. ah, but it never panned out. what kind of talk? girlfriend. what, he had a girlfriend? no. she did. but like i said, it never panned out. thank you. yeah. hope i helped you out. yes, you did. you sure did.
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catherine tramell's roommate, freshman year. she just called. she's over in oakland. come on. she must've heard i was trying to reach her. she says she knows all about catherine and lisa hoberman. you feeling ok? yeah. here's something else. johnny boz's psychiatrist has an office on van ness. guess who he shares office space with. dr. elisabeth garner. what in the hell's the matter with you? hmm?
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no. definitely not. we feel all the evidence points to dr. elisabeth garner. i checked. it's her size. she must have heard you and dumped this. no suite 405 in that building. catherine tramell's freshman-year roommate died of leukemia 2 years ago. here's her death certificate. what about salinas? uh, hold on. jack! jack, did you check nilson's office for files on beth garner? no police report from berkeley. nothing at all about salinas. i'm back. yeah? great. ballistics says the .38 in her apartment was used on nilson. no registration. the ice pick was the same brand and model as the boz weapon. checked the tape machines
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in garner's apartment and office. there's no message from gus on any of them. the tape in her apartment was unused. boz's psychiatrist thinks he remembers dr. garner and boz meeting at a christmas party at his house a year ago. just can't tell about people, can you? even the ones you think you know inside and out. congratulations, curran. hi. i heard about what happened...
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