more important than being a talented director. he's a good dad. good husband and a good friend. though we will miss him . we know he'll make his next stop a better place than he stop a better place than he >> sandra: i'm senator smith. a week of whiplash in washington as world events append abiding agenda and they shake leadership. >> that will be optional this evening. >> sandra: from masks on planes to ukraine, to drilling in the border, the president facing publications on all fronts buried on the left, pressure to move ahead with the climate agenda and the price for new spending. but a growing number of democrats are pushing back over plans to lift a policy that allows deportations due to the pandemic. >> they are not listening to the border communities. this is not good for democrats.

>> sandra: we will ask texas border democrat henry cuellar what the white house is telling him about the rising tension over lifting title 42. plus, house republicans bullish on big wins in november. >> it's going to be a landslide for republicans buried >> sandra: but newly shared audio shows what republican leaders may have planned to tell then-president trump after the capitol riot. we will ask a public and congressman michael mccaul about the political calculations and party leadership heading into midterms. then, a leaked memo indicates senator bernie sanders is open to another white house bid in 2024 if biden does not run. we will ask her sunday panel about the politics behind the leak and whether voters still feel the bern. of just hours from now polls close in france. a presidential election that could reverberate around the west and into ukraine.

all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> sandra: angelo again from fox news. the white house finding itself in a political bind just ahead of midterms over its decision to lift title 42 by this time next month. the administration had used the public health order is a tool to deport migrants coming across the border during the pandemic. now a growing number of democrats want it to stay in place over fears the administration is not prepared for a summer search from the south. in a moment we will speak with one of those democrats, henry cuellar, representing a south texas border district and republican michael mccaul, ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee. we begin with fox team coverage. bill melugin live in eagle pass, texas, with more and the growing crisis there, but first to alex hoff, she's reporting live at the white house for us.

hi, alex. >> right now the biden administration struggling to find balance on a range of issues with earth day comic climate action is once again a key flash point. the administration is hoping to fulfill promises there but inflation a global energy needs or complicate in that. >> president biden: get some of these bills to my desk. >> from washington state friday, present a biden urged lawmakers in washington, d.c., to get moving on climate action. >> this is a matter of national security. >> so is the war in europe. because of it the u.s. is been russian oil and gas imports but treasury secretary janet yellen says the european union following suit may do more harm than good. >> counterintuitively, couldn't actually ever -- russia might export less, the price it gets for its exports would go up. >> following a meeting with ukraine's prime minister, president biden announced thursday an additional $800 million in military aid.

>> president biden: sometimes it was speak softly and carry a large javelin because we are sending a lot of those in as well. >> according to the latest canopy: the subject, americans find inflation and the war in ukraine to be the most urgent issues facing this country, but 9% of those polled put immigration at the top. the biden the administration is standing by the decision to drop a trump era public measure called title 42 that allowed the u.s. to expel migrants to their home countries during the pandemic. now 47 democrats are pushing for a delay. >> talking to some of my republican colleagues, they are saying we can't believe the white house is giving us this narrative. >> concern clearly extends beyond border states as democrats in highly competitive races right now who simply do not want the president's immigration policy to work against them. >> sandra: alex off, thank you reporting live from the white house. now let's turn to bill melugin on the border in eagle pass,

texas. bill. >> sandra, already a very busy morning here in eagle pass. you can see the activity behind us, a large group of venezuelans just crossed over illegally and are being processed by border patrol. meantime, it has now been nearly 48 hours since the texas national guard soldiers disappeared into the rio grande in an effort to try and save illegal immigrants in the water. his body has not yet been recovered, he is presumed to have drowned. his family has been notified and now the texas rangers report that the two illegal immigrants he jumped into try to save were both smuggling drugs at the time of the incident. this as illegal crossings here are nonstop. >> in eagle pass, texas, it's a scene that plays out every morning. just after sunrise, migrants make their move, waiting across the rio grande, entering the u.s. illegally and they continue to come from all around the world. they come at historic numbers. cbp in march alone reporting

more than 221,000 migrant encounters as the highest number in more than two decades. the river can be deadly. fox news this week witnessed the bodies of multiple drowned migrants being pulled from the water. on the international bridge in eagle pass is the end of title 42 on may 23rd looms, groups of migrants are expelled back to mexico every 30 minutes. across the rio grande in the mexican city come in groups of migrants are waiting. >> my hope is for now is that i get granted permission to cross with my son on the 23rd buried >> border patrols rio grande valley sector, agents found this 2-year-old honduran boy abandoned near roma, texas. since october there have been a staggering 38,000 of these unaccompanied children found in that sector. and, sandra, tomorrow, house minority leader kevin mccarthy is going to be bringing a republican delegation down to the border, actually right here to eagle pass where we are. they're going to beat it with

border patrol as well as texas dps, both agencies prepare for the drop of title 42 next month. then later in the week, dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas is going to be testifying about the border before the house judiciary committee and republicans say they got a lot of questions for him. we will send it back to buried >> sandra: vilma lujan reporting from the southern border for us, thank you. joining us now from laredo, texas, congressman henry cuellar. welcome back to "fox news sunday," sir, glad to have you. thank you. >> congressman cuellar: thank you, and good morning to buried >> sandra: congressman, let's kick this off with the white house this week saying that there are no plans now to extend title 42, saying that it's following cdc guidance on this. you represent border communities in congress. they are directly affected by this. the number of people coming over our border as of march, already staggering numbers, averaging more than 7,000 a day. government models predict that could swell to as many as 18,000 a day if this is lifted. what are you telling the white house that you want to see

happen here? >> congressman cuellar: you know, what we are dealing with the laredo sector and the valley sector, about 60% of the men and women in green are not on the field, they are not at the border, but they're actually the border processing centers, so think about this. it's like having a school and we are only teaching with 40% of the teachers and the other 60% are not teaching. that's what we are seeing, except it's a law enforcement. so what we are seeing is large numbers coming in, the messages are going out to the smugglers and to the migrants that says on may 23rd you can go ahead and come in and border patrol is only working with 40% of its men and women, and that provides us a very difficult situation down here at the border. >> sandra: you and other texas democrats have shared your concern with this white house. are they listening? >> congressman cuellar: you know, we told them, but they said they are going to continue with lifting the title 42, but

the thing is, yes, they're listening to the immigration activists, but my question is, who's listening to the men and women in green and in blue, and more portly, who's listening to the border communities, the sheriffs, the landowners, you know, the lust of the people that live on the border. yesterday i was in stark county, you mentioned drama, i was in drama where they found a 2-year-old young kid at i was in drama and i was with a lot of people there, not only public officials, but other folks, and none of them said yes, go ahead and live title 42, none of them said open up the border. they are very concerned because they are on the frontline and other ones that i think we need to listen to. we need to listen to the border communities. >> sandra: so is it your take then, congressman, that this white house is ceding too much power to the cdc on immigration? >> congressman cuellar: you know, title 42 is a health issue, but then it's all interrelated. it's all interrelated.

this message of lifting five gnomic title 42 is going to go straight to the criminal organizations, and remember, the last six months there were over a million encounters include the getaways. if you multiply that by an average of $8,000, that's over 8 million -- $8 billion that they made, and that doesn't even include drugs, so it's a message that's going out there and what makes it difficult is you got people from cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, and the problem is those countries and are being very cooperative when we try to return those folks. we got to extend the perimeter, the u.s.-mexico border should not be the one-yard line. we need to make sure that if somebody passes through our country where they can ask for humanitarian relief or they can ask for asylum, than they need stay in those countries instead of passing countries all the way up here to the border and past countries that can provide them asylum and relief, but they only

think the only place they can get asylum is in the united states. >> sandra: you are sharing your concerns, and axios is reporting homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas probably told numbers of congress that he's concerned about how this white house is handling this issue. have you heard concerns directly from him, or from anyone at the hs? >> congressman cuellar: i certainly have heard concerns from the men and women down here at the border. they are very, very, very concerned, because, you know, the plan has some good parts, but the other part of the plan as to how to deal with title 42 being lifted is they are talking about erecting more border processing centers, talking but adding more medical officials down here. they're talking about transportation, so the metric that's being used is how do you move the migrants from the border over to the interior of the united states.

look at even san antonio that is 150 miles away. they are getting people from eagle pass, laredo, going over there and they are getting about 200 people dropped off at the bus station every day. they are getting about 300-500 people dropped off at the airport. do the math. that's only one city away from the border, so it's starting to feel -- people are -- communities are starting to feel the impact that we see here at the border. being 1,500 miles away from the border is very different than being here at the border and yesterday i was with three border sheriffs and other folks. they do not want to see title 42 lifted. so who's listening to the border communities is my question. >> sandra: there's a big meeting happening tomorrow at the white house. the congressional hispanic caucus will be meeting with president biden about this. where do they stand on this? do you expect a tense conversation? >> congressman cuellar: well,

i think there's about two members of the hispanic congressional delegation. it's myself and congressman sent to gonzalez, who is also the border, that feel that title 42 should be stayed in place, and the rest of them are going to say go ahead and lift it. but again, my question is this: how can you ask for international travelers to make sure they have they are vaccinated or even show their covid-19 agate of tests if they fly in. how can we have the emergency federal public emergency extended to july 15th and say there's a pandemic going on in the united states, but of the border, everything's fine and just let people in into the united states. those are mixed messages. >> sandra: final question on title 42. multiple states with republican attorneys general are suing to keep title 42 in place, congressman. do think that there are people inside of this biden white house

may be hoping the white house loses on this issue to provide some cover for them to say that a federal judge is forcing them to keep 42 in place? >> congressman cuellar: absolutely. absolutely. there is a debate. if you talk to more of the career folks, they would tell you that they want to keep title 42, but you've got some folks with a lot of immigration activists experience that feel the other way, so i think that will give him a cover without a doubt and maybe even congress if we can add that amendment to the covid relief bill to provide that cover. >> sandra: all right, meanwhile, while american families still deal with spiking inflation, particularly high gas prices, the biden administration says it will resume selling new drilling leases on public lands this week. all this after a court overturned the biden executive action from last year that you, sir, criticize, banning responsive leasing what caused

job and gdp growth but the president's envoy john kerry says he hopes this move is temporary and that companies are sitting on a lot of leases already. here he is this week. >> i think the president knows that many of these leases that have been grounded are simply not going to be drilled. >> sandra: i suppose there wouldn't be much worried then, but do you agree? is he right? >> congressman cuellar: you know, certainly one of the things we are seeing is that we have to be energy independent, and look, we need to understand one thing. our companies are doing a much better job than other companies outside the united states and other countries, so we need to make sure we do it in a clean way, but i understand that if we are sitting there -- so what is the concern? let's go ahead and allow that opportunity to do domestic drilling so we can have jobs here and certainly make sure we don't get penned on another

country when it comes to energy. we do a much better job at producing energy, and again we have to make sure we take advantage of that for our economy and for independence. >> sandra: that is just one area -- another area where we are seeing many democrats break with this biden white house on multiple fronts, and now based on the president 's most recent bowling, looking out into november, do you think democrats controlled the house is in jeopardy this fall, cumbersome and? >> congressman cuellar: certainly is a democrat am going to do everything to make sure the democratic majority stays. we do have some headwinds, as you know, and again, we've got to make sure that we are all working together and right now some of the actions by the administration is not helping democrats. certainly in south texas when it comes to oil and gas, when it comes to immigration policies, that has an impact on it, but as a democrat, i certainly want to keep the democratic maturity.

>> sandra: congress meant, the president and several cabinet members went on the road this week to pitch the new infrastructure law to voters ahead of the election but some democrats saying it's not resonating. he said people get the idea, infrastructure spending helps, but says "i know people don't focus on that, they focus on what else is the next problem. it is the rising cost of gasoline." so congressman, how do you campaign on the successes democrats have had this cycle when voters are mostly focused on these big problems? >> congressman cuellar: well, it depends on what part of the country are at because in my area, infrastructure is very important. for example, laredo is the largest inland port, so infrastructure is very important. so we've got to look at every district and see what's important to that district. they campaign on that. yes, infrastructure is important, but the issues of border issues that are very important to us and certainly

energy being an energy district is key to us also. so you look at the district and campaign on that area and if you're a senator, look at the state itself. >> sandra: all right, congressman, a lot going on, and also an investigation that we have been following, a statement was put up by your attorney saying this week that you were not the target of an fbi investigation after your home was raided by officers in january. are you involved in all at any ongoing investigation, sir? >> congressman cuellar: look, i have deep respect for law enforcement. i've got three brothers who are peace officers, i have deep respect for law enforcement we are going to cooperate. you saw with the attorney said and we are going to follow that advice. >> sandra: so you're going to cooperate, meaning there's an ongoing investigation? >> congressman cuellar: we will cooperate with law enforcement when they ask us to do that. >> sandra: why was there a raid? >> congressman cuellar: again, as i said, we will cooperate if there is any questions on that issue. >> sandra: okay.

congressman, we really appreciate your joining us to cap a very busy weekend heading into another one. thank you very much for speaking with us this morning, sir. >> congressman cuellar: thank you so much. a-determiner >> sandra: okay, up next, prospective from the other side of the aisle. congressman michael mccaul next on the border. ♪ ♪ ♪ and a steady stream of protected income for more than 150 years, generations have trusted the strength and stability of pacific life with their tomorrows. ♪ because life isn't about what tomorrow brings. it's what you do with it. ask a financial professional about pacific life.

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♪ ♪ >> sandra: republicans are promising to fight the biden administration's decision to lift title 42 in court and in congress. joining us now, texas congressman michael mccaul of texas. top republican on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, welcome back to "fox news sunday," good to have you here. >> congressman mccaul: hey, sandra. >> sandra: first off, are republicans going to retake the house? >> congressman mccaul: we feel very confident. i think the polling shows us historically as well, the party out of power in a first terminal white house will pick up seats. all we need is 5. i protect we are going to get probably at least 40 seats, because this president has been so unpopular when it comes to inflation, gas prices.

in my rain, the foreign policy mistakes he's made -- and quite frankly, sandra, they seem as a weak president. >> sandra: you have certainly been hammering this administration over its handling specifically of the situation of the southern border. but what concrete accepts, congressman, does your party plan to take on immigration if you do indeed flip the house and the senate this fall? >> congressman mccaul: you know, i worked with the prior in administration, president trump, to install the migrant protection protocols. remain in mexico. it was working. 85% of these illegals coming up don't have a claim for political asylum, so 85% are kicked out of the system. they had to remain in mexico, so therefore they didn't touch base in the united states where they would be given what's called catch and release. it's as simple as that. i urge him, because he knows better, he was a u.s. attorney

in a border state. so was i. he knows what is causing this, but he is refusing to go back to this policy, you know, that was working. and this is what we need to do. i don't think mexico will agree to do this again. they did under trump, and it was working, and i'm not sure it's going to work under this it administration. we've had 2.5 million people cross into this border illegally since the president has been inaugurated. title 42 being lifted means 500,000 over the next five weeks. my state of texas, we just simply can't absorb this. i mean, i was over in poland, for god sakes, looking at all the ukrainians coming out. you know, it's almost a similar amount, 2.5 million people. although in that case they want to go back home. putin invaded ukraine. we have an invasion in my home state right on the border. every day. 2.5 million. >> sandra: i will ask the

question i just asked congressman cuellar. have you directly heard from the secretary mayorkas and his concerns, it is reported that he is speaking privately about that behind closed doors. has he share those with you? >> congressman mccaul: yes, i have, and i don't want to divulge too much of that, but he's very frustrated. you know, one you went on to the border and border patrol agents turned their backs on him, that is really humiliating for a secretary of homeland security. and then you listen to jeh johnson, who i worked with when i was chairman of homeland security, who i have a lot of respect for, saying if i had a thousand coming over a day, that was a really bad day, but now they've got 7,000 today, and he says, in his words, that not only can catholic charities and border patrol not handle this and they are overwhelmed, but he also says that the biden administration politically is going to be overwhelmed, and

that's why you're seeing down in the valley, my home state, a lot of democrats now going to the republican party. >> sandra: interesting. house republican leader kevin mccarthy is leading a delegation to the southern border tomorrow along with congressman elise stefanik, who was originally scheduled to be on this program. he says the president's policies are only making a situation there worse. what do you hope comes from this visit, congressman? >> congressman mccaul: boy, i was a federal prosecutor down there, i know the border, seen it many times. sandra, this is the absolute worst i've ever seen it. 2.5 million people coming in. who's coming in? we don't even no, and now we are going to let them in as we debate a covid package, let them and without even being tested. when i travel abroad i have to be tested before i come back into the country and they are criminals like the two narco traffickers that the national guard tried to save and then drowned in the process.

you know, what's even worse are these fentanyls. we've apprehended enough to kill the entire, you know, population of the united states seven times over. my oldest daughter has been to four funerals of this happening. you know, buying xanax -- this is becoming an epidemic, not to mention that this is the largest human trafficking crisis that i've ever witnessed, and what's sad is that the federal government is complicit, because we basically end the last part of the trip. we pick the children up and then send them into the interior of the united states. and so we are actually complicit with this human trafficking. >> sandra: all right, that will all play a big part obviously in the midterm elections. house republicans have yet to release a major policy agenda ahead of the midterms. how do you plan to work with the white house if you do end up taking control of the chamber? do you see this as an opportunity to block the biden

agenda, or one to enact your o own? >> congressman mccaul: well, we can enact our own and then the white house will probably veto it. i worked very well with secretary jeh johnson when i chaired homeland security. we saw this try to take the politics out of it and put good policy in place. and, you know, when all is said and done, this is a self-inflicted wound when the president rescinded on day one president trump's migrant protection protocols and remain in mexico, which actually brought it to a grinding halt. we had the situation for the first time under control, and i told him. i said you can call it whatever you want. you can branded a biden administration policy, but if you don't go back to this, you're going to continue to have this bleeding and this, you know, human trafficking crisis. >> sandra: summoned more issues to deal with as well. obviously inflation and taxes front and center.

the white house pounced on national republican committee chair rick scott's tax plan this week. take a look. congressional republicans plan it will increase middle-class families taxes and average of nearly $1500 this year alone and take 100 billion out of the hands of middle-class families each year. do you think senator scott campaigning on his own plan that republican leaders haven't endorsed is hurting the party politically, congressman? >> congressman mccaul: book, we like good ideas within the party, and then we kind of shake it out, right? sounds like a pretty good plan to me and we will take a look at it. i do think you are correct, we need to be unified in our platform. what we're doing in the house is very different from the senate. senate runs around like rogue operators. we have a plan. kevin mccarthy and i, after my china task force recommendations, were setting up task forces on every issue facing the american people that will be announced in august with

a specific plan of action and legislative plan of action. we don't want power for powers sake. we want power to change the course of this country against biden's failed policies, and that's where we are delivering in august and we are going to go and campaign on it in the fall. >> sandra: you mentioned kevin mccarthy and a new book of course, big news this week, two "new york times" reporters reporting senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy discussed urging president trump to resign after the january 6th insurrection. mccarthy denied that, but new audio proves otherwise. listen. >> i'm seriously thinking of having a conversation with him tonight. i think this will pass and it will be ready recommendation. i think that would be my take, but i don't think he will take it, but i don't know. >> sandra: can kevin mccarthy still lead your conference, sir?

>> congressman mccaul: absolutely. i think kevin is in very good shape. in fact, the president came out saying this is not going to endanger his relationship with kevin, that he is strongly supportive. you have to put it in the context of when it was given. this was literally right after january 6th. it was a very dark day. it was a very shocking day. a lot of emotions flying high. what kevin was doing was gaining out various options that, hey, what if he got impeached in the house and then in the senate convicted, would it be better for him to resign prior to that? but the fact is he never had the conversation with president trump. president trump said yesterday that he fully supports kevin mccarthy for speaker, as do i. kevin has put one goal and one goal only in his mind, that's taking back the majority. and i've been with him to israel, just got back from ukraine and poland and romania. he's very astute in his grasp of the knowledge.

he has worked tirelessly to get the majority back. i can tell you the support in the conference is very strong for him and this is a little beltway bubble blip, if you will. i don't think it's going to have any long-term consequences. i do believe we are going to get the majority back, hopefully 40 seats. kevin will be the next speaker of the house. he will work well with president trump, and even when i was in poland and warsaw, you know, they were talking on the phone a lot, so i don't -- i think this is one of those inside beltway things. when i go home, xander, no one talks about this. all they talk about is gas prices, inflation. you know, the war in ukraine, and the border is the number one issue in texas. >> sandra: we appreciate you coming on and responding to all of it. thank you very much, congressman, thanks for your time. thank you. up next, we will bring in our sunday group on midterms and the

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correspondent for reuters, jeff mason, and fox news political analyst juan williams is here. gentlemen, welcome. first up to you, karl, these clips are huge of course on twitter as we have all seen and in washington, d.c., but give us the long view on the impact of this league both for mccarthy and for house republicans. >> well, i think it's a blip. i don't think it's going to be consequential in the long term. mccarthy has very strong ties among most of the elements of the republican conference or maybe a few dissidents that the marjorie taylor greene wing of the party which basically seems to consist of two people but i don't think this is going to be a significant blip. and it's interesting to me that the press has jumped on this big time, but the president of the united states has made some recent statements. this week i think it was he repeated for the fourth time the story about the conductor who told him on amtrak that he would float more in amtrak than on air force one who died a year

before it was supposedly rested in the civil rights protest, said i was against the afghan war from the start when he wasn't. we don't have the same sort of symmetry here when it comes to misstatements or claims that people make in public or private, but i think this is a blip. >> sandra: jeff, i hope a big question is going to be did others share his view and where do they stand now, what is your long view on this? >> i think karl makes a good point in terms of whether or not it's a blip that lasts very long. it's probably a blip in so far is the fact that former president trump is not taking umbrage against it and that's really what matters politically. the fact that kevin mccarthy denied that he said that another recording came out certainly isn't positive for him and i think in a different political landscape it would be a bigger deal, and i'm not sure that many political operatives would advise saying something didn't happen when there's a chance that not only it did happen, but that there's proof of that. but all of it really comes down

to the relationship with president trump and the fact that the former president is saying hey, relationship is still strong means it probably will not have a long-term impact on mr. mccarthy's potential to become speaker. >> sandra: juan, you can give us your view but democrats you can probably make the case may be welcoming this distraction at a time when they're fighting each other. progressive senator elizabeth warren says democrats need to triple down now on some of these far left policies. is that good advice considering president biden's current poll numbers? >> well, no, i don't think it's good advice, sandra. this midterm election is going to be bigger than simply the left-wing base of the democratic party. i think you have to move swing voters in swing congressional districts specifically and you got to do that really, and this is what i think elizabeth warren's best point is, democrats have to build and show that they can get things done in washington, that they are not just spinning their

wheels, that they can build after build back better stalled in the senate, they can build on covid vaccinations comic covid economic relief, the passage of the infrastructure package, that they can now go on and attack climate change, they can do something about child tax credits or education. they have to show that they can be constructive, but they're getting something done with their majority in the white house. i think that is the key message that needs to be sent. they can also i think make the case, and this goes back to discussion with karl and jeff, that's, you know, look, if the republicans were in charge right now, russia may have already run over ukraine. you know, democrats are looking at gas prices, looking at inflation, but if you look at republicans and you look at kevin mccarthy, he lied to the public, he lied to trump supporter's and trump just knows these guys are so weak they have to kowtow to him. that's not a good look for a

leader. >> sandra: i will let karl respond to that but i will also let the mass speak for itself. this is the latest cook political report describing the conditions for democrat house candidates in this moment. no democrat in a single digit biden or trump-won district is secure and even some seats biden carried by double-digit margins in 2020 could come into play this fall. that is a remarkable warning, karl. what would your advice be to republican leaders right now? >> well, the republican leaders better be prepared to point out that the agenda that the democratic party is being encouraged to take under elizabeth warren and others is an exquisitely left-wing agenda that the american people don't agree with, and second of all, the republicans better be ready for the attack the white house signaled it was going to make on republicans on the number one issue in the election, namely inflation, by saying they don't have a plan. of course they got a plan. stop spending.

so look, the democrats are all bollix up on this. juan mix of good argument that they ought to try to show that they can do stuff, but read the elizabeth moore "new york times" piece. it's a left-wing agenda that the american people don't want. free universal this and for universal that and spend gigantic a month of money and raise taxes dramatically. that's not the agenda the american people want or need, and as a result they are going to be in great difficulty. may not be the 40 seats that mike mccaul was talking about, the republicans that she's right, they are already at 213. if they have the average election, 28 since world war ii, that would put them at 231, which is one more than they had after they took the house in 1994 for the first time in 30 years and i think it's going to be more than 28, it's going to be healthy republican margin in the house. >> sandra: jeff, both mike pompeo and ted cruz have been on the trail in the last few weeks campaigning for republican candidates who did not earn donald trump's endorsement. can you gauge that for us?

>> it's been kind of a fascinating parlor game to see what impact it has. two states of course where he endorsed people in ohio and in pennsylvania and i think some republicans there weren't expecting and didn't necessarily welcome will show how impactful his endorsement has and in some ways beat a test of his power, certainly in the congress. the other thing i'd like to add though in addition to president trump's impact on the midterms is i do think from the white house perspective you're going to see president biden out there a lot more, and he was out traveling and he said he needs to get out, he needs to sell his arguments more and he also made a point in one fund-raiser of saying he things democrats can pick up two seats in the senate. we will see. didn't hear him saying that about the house, but i do think democrat's are going to come out and try to make this contrast even stronger than they have so far. >> sandra: very interesting. juan chomping at the bit to respond to that but i will go back to a mention from karl just

a moment ago and the marjorie taylor greene facet of the party. the congresswoman was in court on friday, juan, as part of a challenge whether she can remain on the ballot this fall. her opponents want her barred from running for reelection because of her comments in the run up to january 6th. what kind of precedent is this hearing setting? >> well, i think for the nontrump sector of the republican party, they hope it sets a precedent because they would like to be done with this january 6th insurrection and all of the fall of, which not stopped. i mean, you know, given what we've just learned about kevin mccarthy and is apparently more tapes to come in the january 6th committee looks like they have information. this is ongoing. with marjorie taylor greene, her opponents are trying to get her off a valid because they are saying she supported an insurrection against the

united states government and under the 14th amendment, i think it's the third clause, you know, confederate soldiers who tried to take up u.s. government were banned from holding office. now, she's not even challenging the law. this is so interesting to me. you would think she would say well, this law doesn't apply in force after the supreme court where she's likely i would think to win which is just saying she didn't support the insurrection, i mean, she says she doesn't remember. i know are republicans like to make fun about joe biden's memory, but it's hard to believe, she is saying she doesn't remember supporting an insurrection? come on! >> sandra: all right, we're going to leave it right there with our panel, we are going to take a quick break. up next, a live report from ukraine. plus, the u.s. with eyes on the french presidential election and what its outcome could mean for president biden's relations with europe. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ him dominic

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>> sandra: as of today, it has been exactly two months since russia invaded ukraine, and against the odds, the strength of the ukrainian resistance has inspired people around the world. on the ground right now, president zelenskyy says the fate of the war is being decided in the east. let's go to matt finn. he is live in lviv ukraine for a square residence there are marketing a somber orthodox easter. >> hi, sandra. in this past week here in lviv, four russian missiles struck here, killing seven people, marking the first wartime deaths since this war began, and today is orthodox easter. behind us is a 16th century cathedral with its stained glass windows boarded up and we have seen many, many people getting their easter baskets blessed even during wartime and last night here in ukraine, president zelenskyy held a packed underground press conference in a key subway. saying u.s. secretary of state lincoln and the secretary of

defense are visiting today. he said they should not come with them to hands and should be ready to discuss weapons. also saying putin can stop this war and condemning putin for rejecting an offer to cease-fire for today's holy holiday. over the past week, russia focused on bombing the major port city of mariupol, an estimated 2,000 ukrainian marines and innocent women and children have been sheltering of tunnels underneath the massive steel plants. running out of food, the last ukrainian resistance in that city even pleading with president biden for rescue. in this way, russia launched its second massive phase of this war. a russian commander now says moscow does want to take control of eastern ukraine all across the southern coast all the way to the west of moldova, redrawing russian supporters unplanned locking ukraine. voters and friends are choosing their next president with europe's own security becoming a top issue. the incumbent centrist emmanuel macron accuses his far right opponent of being too

close to moscow, and she denies that. sandra. >> sandra: matt finn in lviv ukraine. thank you for your reporting from there, and we are back with our panel no. jeff, french president and president biden have worked very closely on ukraine. we have seen that, but he played a big role initially in conversations with putin and just recently seemed to chide president biden over the use of the term "." talk about the dynamics there and now which leaders are still able to have a dialogue with vladimir putin. >> short. president biden and president macron, your right to say, have worked very closely together. that doesn't mean they haven't had some hiccups in their relationship. they certainly have. with this french election is one i think the white house is watching very closely because despite the occasional hiccup, he and the united states are certainly very aligned in terms of policy and with regard to nato, with regard to russia, and with regard to this big crisis in ukraine. marine le pen is a far right

candidate. she has moved more to the center in this election and she's been very successful, really, in the polls, because she has been focusing on pocketbook issues in france, which of course are issues that affect this country and other countries around the world as well. this election will really have consequences for the united states if it does not end up being emmanuel macron because of the alliance and because of the impact on nato. >> sandra: all i certainly are on these french elections as millions had to the polls there today. do you see any parallels between the french election and lack of enthusiasm on the left here in the united states? french voters, they are frustrated equally over covid, energy prices, inflation. both have mixed records. >> yeah, i think that's exactly right, center, and i think emmanuel macron's numbers are similar in terms of approval rating to biden's. but in a way it's interesting. you look at marie, she has so much in common with former

president trump. you know, both have been critics if not opponents of nato. both are really very closely tied and in her case, even financial ties to vladimir putin and russia, and then you have the whole anti-immigrant sort of identity politics played, and so i think there's a lot in common though, the fact that he's leading it has expanded his lead in the polls in the last week would suggest maybe good news for biden in that, you know, people react, especially now that the situation at war is the forefront of all of our minds. >> sandra: karl, want to take a bit of a pivot here. bernie sanders, former presidential campaign manager wrote a memo that recently leaked that happens to mention he has not ruled out a run in 2024 if biden does not run. is this about democrats still feeling the bern, karl, or is this about sanders and his former team positioning themselves a little and calling out biden and schumer in the

process? >> i think it's a call for a new generation of older democratic leadership. let's pick the one guy who is older than joe biden and try and run him in 2024. this is -- there's going to be a generational change in 2024. i do not believe that either joe biden or bernie sanders are going to be the nominee of the democratic party in 2024. we're not going to nominate an 82-year-old or a guy who's going to be i think 83 at that time.ao want a newer, younger face. >> sandra: that is remarkable to think about. and we will continue to look forward to the midterm elections and 2024. gentlemen, one last topic for you all today. we learned last night the former utah senator orrin hatch has passed away. just wanted to take a moment to remember him. karl, to you first. >> well, in 1987, orrin hatch, getting ready to run for a third race, picked a young kid from texas to help him do his direct mail for his reelection campaign

and we were friends ever since. i'm wearing a pair of utah cufflinks that he gave me. he was an amazing guy. a remarkable human being, and god bless him and god laughs elaine and his six children and as many grandchildren and his numerous great-grandchildren. he was a good and solid man buried >> sandra: juan, your though thoughts? >> you know, i think i might surprise you, but i think he was a very, very good man and a friend. i tell you what, he was close to muhammad ali. i don't know if you know this, sondra, and he was to bring me ties, muhammad ali ties all the time. karl is going to cufflinks, i should have worn my muhammad ali tie signed by orrin hatch. and we used to have great debates, but he's that kind of person. you know, that kind of human, the grandfather, and just the man who loves america and really put his faith, his mormon faith, and america first. i was just a great admirer.

>> sandra: jeff buried >> what i think about in part of his legacy is bipartisanship. he was really, really close friends with senator ted kennedy, and they put a lot of legislation together, which they got over -- or they got past together, and i hearkens back to we certainly -- a day we certainly aren't seeing now in 2022 of senators, congressmen and women from both parties working together to get things passed even when there really diametrically opposed in terms of their political beliefs. that was something that senator hatch did and as part of his legacy. >> sandra: we remember orrin hatch. a great leader, was admired by so many. thank you very much to our sunday panel, thanks for joining us, and we will see you next sunday. up next, a final word on the week ahead. ♪ ♪he ' he's finding some investment ideas with merrill. eyes on the ball baby.

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