o s dot ca dot gov slash elections remember decisions are made by those who show up. it's time to show up and have your >> john: i'm john roberts. president biden pushes congress for bold action on gun reform and pushes his team for a reset the economy. ♪ ♪ >> president biden: families are struggling probably don't care why the prices are up. >> john: blunt talk this week from the white house as average gas prices creep towards $5 a gallon and economists warn we could see an economic hurricane. the president blaming global forces and recalibrating ties with saudi arabia in order to press for moil production. we will ask senior advisor to the president gene sperling about recession fears and the challenge of finding global partners to help bring prices

down. then, funerals begin in uvalde, texas, as another mass shooting shakes tulsa. now house democrats are pressing to pass a series of gun control proposals. >> for many of us in texas, our souls are crushed. enough is enough. >> john: senate negotiators search for common ground on smaller measures and the president takes to the podium in prime time, calling the second amendment not absolute. >> president biden: for god sake, how much more carnage are we willing to accept? >> john: we discussed with steve scalise. en we will ask our sunday panel about a white house reset ahead of the midterms. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> john: angelo again from fox news in washington. as an abiding mix in urgent plea to congress to pass new gun

restrictions, saying now is the time for republicans to it joined with democrats for meaningful legislation. at the same time, the president touting better-than-expected jobs numbers as americans continue to face surge in gas high inflation. in a moment we will speak with gene sperling, senior advisor to the president about the administration's plans to bring some relief. first let's turn to lucas tomlinson come alive at the white house for us this morning, where, lucas, we have seen a bit of a reset over the past week. >> john, today the price of gas is double what it was when esident biden took office. in a rare prime time address, it was guns that have the president's attention, following a speed of mass shootings. >> president biden: gh, enough enough. if >> president biden urging congress to pass new gun legislation. ten g.o.p. senators will be needed to break the deadlock. many see little chance of that happening. some democrats remain optimi optimistic. >> we had about to eight

republicans engaged. i absolutely think that our partners are negotiating in good faith. >> the president wants to make gun reform a central issue in >> president biden: i believes. the majority view will act internet outreach into making this issue central to your vote. >> the president meeting with the federal reserve chairman in treasury secretary janet yellen. part of a ramped up messaging campaign from the white house. biden says tackling inflation is his top economic priority, but he will have to do so amid staff shuffling after reports a number of them recently jumped ship. a candid admission, saying she was wrong about the risk of inflation, a rare me a cl but in washington. some good news for white house friday, the labor department says 390,000 new jobs were aed in may. the economy remains 822,000 short of pre-pandemic levels.g e

president visiting saudi arabia after asking the kingdom to pump more oil. critics want to see that hn here in the u.s., not the middle east. as a presidential candidate, he once called saudi arabia "a pariah." the state department cia accused saudi own prince of ordering the murder of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. the president will not be going to saudi arabia this month as originally reported. he's expected to go in july. jo >> john: lucas thomason reporting from the white house with the very latest i'm 1600 pennsylvania. lucas, thank you so much. joining us now is a senior advisor to the president, gene sper, welcome back to "fox news sunday," good to be with you. >> gene: thank you, john. >> john: the white house on the president will come over the next month, paint a pretty rosy picture over the state of the economy but others see storm clouds on the horizon, one of them being jamie dimon, e ceo of jpmorgan chase, who says that there is a hurricane looming. here's how he put it. "we just don't know if it's a

minor one or super storm sandy, you better brace yourself." is he right? >> gene: you know, i would be more reassuring than that statement for a few reasons. number one, one of the things we've seen come from the american rescue plan is resilience to this recovery. calling me oneta hit, when omicron hit, when putint into ukraine, saying is that it, will that derail the recovery, and so far you've seen -- you've seen resilience and i think that has a lot to do with the strength of the american recovery act. secondly, you mentioned the job numbers, which were, as you say, very positive, 390,000 jobs created, 3.6% unemployment, but there was something else there, which "the wngton post" called the great return to work. we've now seen 4.2 million americans returned to work, just 300, 400,000 in his month. i think that gives a lot of

confidence, reassurance to this economy, and third, we feel that the strength in the labor market and the strength in families household balance sheets, their checking books, the fact that they have less debt service, all of that makes us as a country better positioned than virtually any other country to make a transition to more stable growth without giving up those job gains, even in the face of what we know will be some tough medicine from the federal reserve to try to tamp down on inflation. >> john: let me get to the jobsbers on what the forecast is for the future in just a second, the president is goin spend the month of june trying to convince voters that despite their misgivings, the economy is actually doing quite well. according to some recent poll numbers, the president has got a big hill to climb when it comes to that. here's what gallup found. is the economy getting better? only 20% of people said it's gettbetter. is it getting worse? 77%. gene, there seems to be a

fundamental disconnect between ericans perspective on things and what the president is trying to sell here. >> gene: you know, what else is interesting though is that when you ask people how they're doing themselves, you do get more optimistic view, more people are saying they are as we've said, you've checking accounts and debt service fairly strong across the spectrum, but look, you know, we are big kids here, we understand this is toug if got global inflation. we just got a report from the oecd, i won't bore people with the acronym, but it's the 38 major couns, the average inflation for 38 major countries is 9.2%. i mean, this is a very difficult global phenomenon. it's caused by global events related to russian aggression and, you know, the variants of delta and omn, and yet we

know, and the president said this, that's really of little comfort for a family whose driving up to the gas pump, goto the grocery line and seeihose high prices, and yes, even if it's a global phenomenon, people want to see their leaders taking it on, and that's why this president has tried to do everything he could both legislatively and administratively to have a plan to have lower prices andake, as he said, bringing down those prices is number one priority for working families right now. >> john: let me dig in on something you said there. you said people still have money saved up, debt service is lower, there comes a point, and it looks like it's going to be in the not-too-distant future, when gaices, inflation for everything else is going to hit people really hard in the cketbooks. they are going to suddenly feel in the last two or three years, they are goingpull back on consumer spending and any type conomic growth that we've been seeing now in the first quarter we know was negative, is going to turn rapidly south and

we could be headed into the ditch into a recession. >> well, you know, what you said at the beginning is certainly right. there is lots of families that have gotten raises, new jobs, had a lot of good news happen for them. still, that doesn't mean they want to give back any of those pump.s when they are at the gas nobody wants to do that. and there's no doubt, it's been -- you know, that's why you see those numbers. you see them everywhere in the world, people are discouraged by higher prices and global supply constraints. but i do want to say that when you have such a ng labor force, you know, we're not going to be able to keep up this record job growth forever. obviously we are going to have to transition to more stable growth, but the fact that you have 3.6% unemployment, the fact that so many people are coming back into the workforce, the fact that people's general financial positions is

relatively strong should give us a lot of confidence that we can make this transi. ain, even with the federal reserve having to do some tough medicine to tamp down on inflation. >> john: let me coack to that friday jobs report. it was a good one, 390,000 new jobs created. here's what the president set about it. >> president biden: we aren't likely to the kind of blockbuster job reports month after month like we had over this past year. but that's a good thing. that's a sign of a healthy economy. with steady growth. >> john: he is saying that we are not going to see 35,400,000 new jobs but there continues to be 11.4 million jobs in this country that are unfilled and if we start dialing back on job gr and job creation, those could stay open for a decade or more, and that's really going to hit small those jobs are from. of which so what you do about those jobs that are on now? >> gene: well, john, again,

that was one of the reasons why i focused on what "the washington post" called the great return to work. i mean, what we saw in april of 2020, that was unprecedented. not even in 1918, when we had the past great pandemic did we shut down the whole economy. 20 million people out of work. the fact that, you know, just a little over a year after the president past the american rescue plan we see virtually the same number of people back to work, 4.2 million have come back to work. the prime age label participation, which is workers 25-54, we are actually seeing them back to work at the same pace that we saw in 2019, and i think what that starts to give you is a little more confidence that yes, we are having solid growth, but as the president says, that job growth stabilizes and to the degree we are bringing more people back into e labor force, those are type

of things that lead to more stable balanced growth that i think americans want to see now. the record job growth has been great in getting us back. now people want to see some stable growth, they want to see prices come down, and we want to give them at least some of the confidence that we are better positioned, and i mean this, than any country in the world. our growth came back best, we had the most job growth ever in the history of our country in 2021, and the fact that americare still coming back to work i think should give us bit more confidence that we are in a position to make this transition without giving up those hist gains in our labor market. >> john: you said the magic words there, people wanted t see prices come down, they also want to know when prices are coming down. this is what the average price of a gallon ofasoline today is according to aaa. $4.84, up from $3.04 a week ago.

at the same time, the dollar was shrinking for consumers because of runaway inflation, the president suggesting that the end is nowhere in sight. listen here. >> president biden: we can't take immediate action that i'm aware of yet to figure how we bring down the price of gasoline back to $3 a gallon. anwe can't do that immediately with regard to food es either. >> john: i know you don't like to be in a forecasting business, but you are an economist, and that's what economists do. so what do you say to the american people about when gas prices are going to come down, when the price of household goods and food are going to come down? >> gene: so let me say a few things. number one, understand and why prices have gone up, january 17th, that is the day putin moved trips to the border of belarus and ukraine, gas prices are $3.31. it's been on the prices were going up prior to that. gone up but they were up atad

$3.31. what you just said as they at $4.82 now. they've gone up a dollar 50 because of t unthinkable russian aggression. that's number one. >> john: back to my question, when can we expect gas prices to come down? >> gene: you know, i think that we saw them spike up in may, i'm sure that will be reflected in the inflation report that we will get this week. i'm not in the forecasting business, but i would say, john, if you look at what forecasters are suggesting, when you look at they are seeing that prices are supposed to moderate this year, whether you're looking at the bloomberg survey or the inndent congressional budget office, they are showing inflation moderating down, they are showing the core pce, a boring term, but with the federal reserve looks at, they see that coming down. but again, i think that is what forecasters are saying. i think our job, as you said, it

the public expects us to do everything in our power to be the wind at the back of that -- of those prices starting to moderate, but you know, i think the president is being straight with the american public. we are dealing with an almost unprecedentereign policy aggression that is roiling international gas prices and you know, he doesn't want that she wants to be straight saying there's no silvellet to dealing with those international challenges we are facing. >> john: have got a couple of issues i've got to get too quickly. first of all, the president going to saudi arabia in july to ask them to pump more oil. here's what he said about saudi arabia during the 2020 election campaign. >> president biden: we are going to infect make them pay the price and make them in fact the pariah that they are. there's very little social redeeming value in the present government in saudi arabia. >> john: tough talk on the part of the president, a candidate back then, now he's going to saudi arabia hat in hand. why doesn't he just do something

to improve the climate for oil expiration and production here in the united states? >> gene: you know, john, in terms of oil production here in the united states, first of all, we are at record production for natural gas, near record production for oil the president has talked to the major oil companies who have committed that they are going to increase produn by a million a barrel by october and in the meantime the presi is releasing 1 million barrels a day through the strategic petroleum reserve. >> john: it doesn'pear to be -- >> gene: well, i don't really agree with that. i think it is having a positive effect, but i understand that if prices are still high or even going up, again, as i understand, it's not much comfort to an american family going through the gas pump. spilled a protester -- >> gene: interns on the international stage start, go ahead. >> john: must questier because we are running short of time the baby formula shortage, here'st the president said

about the shutdown of the plant by the fda last week. >> president biden: i don't think anyone is dissipated the impact of the shutdown of one facility. >> john: the president said i don't think anyone anticipated the impact of the shutdown one facility. that facility produces 40% of the nation's supplof baby formula. how could the fda shut it down and not think it would have catastrophic consequences? >> gene: well, because this is an area, john, where you have to look at safety as well as production. so yes, it was a real challenge that we have such a concated industry where one company and one plant could mean so much, but one that went down, one had to balance getting it up as fast as possible with protecting the safety of american families, and what you've seen is the president do that. you've seen abbott now say they

are reopening that point, you've seen operation fly formula -- eve seen the use of the defense production act. you see 125 million equivalent of baby formula coming in saf safely. now being authorized to come in safely from foreign countries. if so, i mean, that's the type of action you want to take. >> john: i understand there is some backfilling going on right now but this idea that nobody could anticipate that taking 40% of the baby formula out of production would have an impact? just don't get that. >> gene: i think what the president was more referring to was that it was hard to anticipate that you would have a major plant have this type of problem that the fda would be forced to shut them down. again, if you look at what the president has been doing here, it is constant. his use of the defense production act has enabled the ingredients that have allowed abbott to increase their production, 25, 40%.

your seen permission to bring in safe baby formula from foreign countries. you've seen the operation fly formula, to use federal military planes to bring in baby formula. so i think this president is acting with a lot of strength, it's a tough issue, he understands, but again, encouraged to see abbott said just this weekend that they are in the stage of now safely reopening the plant that initially shut down. >> john: there's a back of production but it's a highly specialized formula. meantime, the outages of baby formula have extended to 70% of stores across america, so the problem continues to linger. always a pleasure, t you for joining us this morning, appreciated. >> gene: thank you, john, thank you for having me. >>n: coming up next, we will bring in our sundayel on the potential political ramifications of sitting down with the saudis, to get them to up their oil production. ♪ ♪ge?

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>> a pariah in your eyes. >> president biden: i'm not going to change my view on human rights bs president of the united states is my job to bring peace if i can and that's what i'm going to try to do. >> john: president biden considering a trip to saudi arabia in july to ask the kingdom to pump more oil, this at the same time he says he wants to put the american oil and gas industry out of

business. time now for us under group, fox news correspondent jacqui heinrich, former state farm and spokesperson marie harf, katie pavlich, and former chief of staff to senator mitch mcconnell, josh holmes. marie, let's start with you. the president has set on numerous occasions he wants to end the fossil fuel industry here in the unit states and get he's going hat in hand to saudi arabia in july, asking them for more oil. he's in talks with the regime in venezuela and he's even courting the iranians to see if we can get some of their oil. does that make sense to you? >> i don't necessarily agree with everything you just said. look, president biden has been very clear, he doesn't want to end the fossil feel industry. he talked actually quite a bit about those strategic reserves, the permits people are allowed to use and haven't been using. >> john: he was pretty clear in the 2020 election campaign. he wants to put the oil and gas industry out of business. >> i don't agree with that characterization. the fact where we are today, not

in 2020, the fact is the countries around the world obviously are key to the oil supply, to our prices at the pump here at home, and saudi arabia plays a key part in that. nobody is asking iran to help us get better gas prices here, but the saudis do play a key part. in addition to a host of other issues we work with them on, whether that's normalization of relations with israel, these abraham accords. whether it's countering iran, saudi arabia plays a key role in that and so the relationship is complicated, ourse, as many are, but the oil supply issue, gas prices at home, have to talk to the saudis about that certainly, and i think president biden will. >> john: 2020 election campaign, what he said about oil and gas, did i miss something? >> the president deliver it was said he wanted to put the oil and gas indu out of business and that he would no longer allow them to drill for oil, and we just saw the administration take away leasing that was already approved in alaska and the gulf of mexico. the president here has put himself into a position where he

is going back to saudi arabia and making saudi arabia a monopoly when it comes to providing american oil and to try and lower gas prices, even though his domestic agenda, which has been loyal to the climate change activists here and in europe has really put him in this position to make the pain the point, th don't have a real intention of lowering gas prices, which is why you haven't seen them allow the oil and gas industry to thrive. it's also a matter now of a breachtrust because thl and gas industries don't believe that if they invest a lot of money going after these leases or permits that may have already been approved, it won't be pulled out from under them a the keystone pipeline was. this is about an investment in businesst simply about going out and doing things that don't have a permanent cost to these companies, and of course costs to the american families buried >> john: what does it y to domestic producers when the president says your industry is going to go the way of the dino at some point, meantime, we're going to forge all of these foreign

partnerships, some with some pretty unsavory regimes. >> there's been a big divorce in e said ministrations foreign policy and domestic policy when it comes to energy product there's no question about it. but i also think reality has shown up and sort of modes there liberal dreams and a whole host of issues including the saudi arabia piece. you recall they started the of administration talk about how they were going to be a pariah. now you show up a year and a half in begging for oil, right? the message it sends domestically is pretty rough. the position that you've put america income of the real problem. you've lost the lege of being energy independent. you can haveot to say to opec nations when you are energy independent yourself and you're trying to look out for the greater supply across the world when you are solely relianon that and gas prices have doubled, you've lost a lot of leverage. >> john: what's the vi from the white house? the president is looking at gas

prices steadily going up, looking at consumers buying power steadily going d the outrage factor is growing. we know we've got a lot of oil and gas in his country that could be tapped and get he's going overseas to find more. >> i think he doesn't want to abandon his promises towards the clean energy future, it's important to his base, but he think what really stood out to me in the saudi announcement of this trip if there wasn't an, front end for any sort of shift when it comes to human rights, there was no pledge that he was going to make that a forefront of his trip and you had the families of 9/11 victims also crying out and saying look, you better bring up alleged ties between al qaeda and saudi officials during this trip and the two statements out of the white housst week struck me as being, you know, sort of warm and fuzzy diplomacy dance, crediting them forgetting opec to produce more oil and crediting for the yemen cease-fire in these two statements that really seem to be trying to get cozy with saudi arabia.

>> john: the president, marie, at the beginning of last week, had an op-ed in "the wall street journal" where he laid out his plans to try to help the country recover from infln and keep the economy going. part of the plan was to let the fed do its job by itself. the other part of the plan was to call on congress for clean energy credits. clean energy is a cadle thing. we need some relf right now and there are a lot of people who look at the vast reserves that we have here in the united states and yes, we are almost back up to where we were pre-pandemic in terms of production, but the climate that the president has created around the oil and gas industrys not conducive toindustry that wants to invest a lot of money in producing more gas and oil. >> there are a lot of permits that are still going unused and we have to do -- >> john: the reason for that if they can't get the permitting for the ancillary items needed to tap those reserves. >> i think there a lot of reasons for it. i think what the president and the white house believes we need to do on inflation is all of the above, right?

have to take immediate steps and part of that is letting the fed doe great economic growth and job growth, low unappointed, deficits are coming down. the challenge, john, is to cool inflation without cooling that economic growth. there are a bunch of things we can try to do in the short and medium-term. this is a global problem and it's a long-term problem the president has no ability tve a magic wand and bring inflation down, so the plan he outlined includes a number of different things, some which will give us relief in the short-term, including interest rate hike and some which will take longer term, but look, clean energy is the way we have to go for a whole number of economic and environmental reasons,se things are linked and i think the president knows that. >> john: that's all well and good but that's not going to solve the problem that we ha. >> there's no magind, john, wish i had one. >> j in terms of solving the inflation crisis, janet yellen admitted this past week that she missed it, we know

that jody powell misted and now these are the people who are in charge of fixing it. you have any -- >> i would argue that they didn't miss it, they chose to ignore the warnings, as a chance to -- the chance to be the next fdr, with the split senate wasn't able to do that on the problem with inflation is that it's like a horse leaving the barn, once it's gone it's very difficult to get back on my flickr runaway freight train and the only thing that stops it is a big crash, which is what economists are warning right now. the national economic council is advising president joe biden on these issues, chock-full of sanders type economists, they have deliberately ignored warnings from people like larry summers who of course worked as economist for president obama. so they have been vastly different opposed economic philosophies and clearly they are continuing to go down this path. >> john: he was the one person who got it right. do you think this all plays out november? >> in november it's going to have a big impact, right? you see voters across th country, almost every democrat, every ideological mind, men,

women, doesn't matter. ation is by far and away the biggest issue, right? it's also an issue that vexes democrats in a way that almost nothing else does, right? they've got one pretty solid play in the playbook e time you have an economic problem, spend more money. thates things worse in this situation so i don't see that politically or any other wise becoming a better deal before november. >> john: a ticket the reason why the president is going to spend the entire month to convince people the economy is be than they think it is his based on what he's looking at a november. >> i think it is but also they're talking with his big reset, but to do a reset you extra we have to change what you've been doing and what we've beearing is a lo the same things from, you know, the few months. we've got pieces of bbb that have been std since christmas, really no traction on the hill, you know, we haven't heard any new ideas out of the and when you have someone like jennifer rubin riding an op-ed saying that, you know, the biden white house should take a page from janet yellen's book

admit their mistake, that' pretty significant. >> john: with got to take a break here, we will get you back after steve scalise. coming up next, the latest on the investigation into the uvalde school shooting and why some families are coming to washington, and as i mentioned, we will speak live with the second ranking house republicans about the prospects for a gun reform bill passed in congress. stay with us, "fox news sunday" will be right back. ♪ ♪lk a th bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl. look forward to planning with schwab. schwab! ♪

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♪ ♪ >> john: just days from now survivors of the buffalo and uvalde shootings are expected to testify on capitol hill, sharing the details of their harrowing experiences. this comes amid reports the school district police chief in uvalde did not have a radio with him when he arrived onne, prompting even more questions t the police response there. in recent days we've seen more gun violence across the country, including four people killed at a tulsa, oklahoma, hospital and just overnight in philadelphia, another mass shooting in the south street neighborhood, leaving three people dead and at least ten others wounded. there in washington, a bipartisan group of senators is working towards a deal on some gun and mental health reform measures. but housmocrats say they are going to vote on more sweeping gun control measures this coming

week. joining me now, congressman steve scalise, member of the house republicans leadership and a lawmaker who has faced horrific gun violence himself. congressman, welcome back to "fox news sunday," good to see you. >> congressman scalise: john, good to be with you, thanks. >> john: the president had that prime time address last week ande's what he articulated as his vision for how we move forward from these mass shootings. listen here. >> president biden: we need to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. and if we can't ban assault weapons, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21. strengthen background checks, and act safe storage law and red flag laws. >> john: let me take with the president said and break ito two main parts. first of all, and assault weapons ban. when you were at that practice for the congressional baseball game, you were shot by a weapon, a very powerful weapon that would not have been subject to the 1994 assault weapons ban, if the shootings that we saw in

uvalde and in buffalo and in tulsa, oklahoma, wermmitted by weapons that would be subject to that ban. so in terms of that particular issue, what's the best way forward? >> congressman scalise: john, thst way forward is first of all when you have a shooting, instof sitting down and going okay, what is really causing this, why do we see these happening more and more in the last few years, it immediately becomes a debate about taking away guns and you see democrats quickly run in the day of the shooting, they were talking about passing hr eight in the senate. go look at hr eight, it would have done nothing to stop the shooting, and by t way, the president himself went even further and ted talking but going after handguns in that same speech. so immediately pushes everybody in a corner instead of sitting down and saying why don't we look and see i can finme telltale signs so that there can be intervention. some communities actually do this. this just happened a few days ago in berkeley, california.

there was a student that was trying to not just shoot, but blow up his high school. and other students found out about it, they alerted authorities and authorities were able to move and stop it before anything happened. we need to be focused more on stopping things before they happen. this isn't something that we are having a conversation about right now, and it should be. it immediately becomes about democrats wanting to take away guns. go look at the hearing that they had last week in congress. i mean, you had ers, democrats, cursing out the second moment, members saying if we can't get this, we're going to blow up the filibuster and pack the supreme court to get around the second amendment. the second amendment is not some guideline, it's part of the united states constitution and the bill of rights and it's there for a reason, by the way, every day in america people use guns to defend themselves and there are a lot of examples of that too, so instead of talk about democrats always wanted to take away the rights of gun owners, law-abiding citizens especially, why don't we talk about the root causes of these

problems, and there is som common ground to be found there, john. if that's not where the conversationtoday unfortunately and frankly i would like to see us going that >> john: there may be common gr but unfortunately it seems body wants to find it. let me take the second big chunk of what the president said, the idea of raising the age to buy one of these long rifles. the man who shot you was 6 years between 1949 and 2018, on the of the 30 worst mass shootings were carried out by people younger than 21. however, since 2018, six of the nine deadliest shootings were commitby people who were 21 or younger. in light of those statis, what's the best way to go on whether or not to raise the age? >> congressman scalise: first of all, you got to look in california, they had a bill raise the age in the state of california and a federal court ruled it unconstitutional. so instead of trying to go down on constitutional routes, why don't we look at why more young people are doing this? by the way, a lot of these

school shootings, there is somebody in that school that knew the shooter was going to take action before the shooting, and we did this after september 11th, we got really good about focusing on stopping something before it happens, if you're in an airport today and you see a bag sitting idle, if not going to be the 5 minutes before somebody alerts authorities. we need to be helping get kids more engaged in alerting authorities if they see something they're concerned about and that the authorities take action if it's necessary and try to intervene and stop something before it happens. instead of just immediately rushing to go take the rights of gun owners away. i mean, look, just a few days ago in west virginia, there was somebody -- it wasn't out of school -- there was somebody with a rifle illegally -- he was a felon, shouldn't have even had it and he tried to go shoot up a bunch of kids at a birthday party and a graduation and it was a woman with a concealed carry permitdgun who took down the shooter. thare a lot of democrat colleagues of mine who want to take away concealed carry permits and again, the president

himself was talking about going after handguns. there's a case where a handgun was used to take down the shooter. in my case it was a cop with a handgun that took down the shooter and so it's offer our prayers to the victims. unfortunately, even moments of silence right now, you got demos sometimes yelling during a moment of silence instead of focusing on the victims and then let's go search for the root of the problem, how can we do a better job of connecting the dots and stopping something before it happens but we did after september 11th, which has worked really well as it relates to stopping terrorist attacks. let's put that kind of focus on schools and young kids not just its goals, let's also, by the way, look at hardening schools. there is a lot of common ground there too. my colleague richard hudson was working on a package, others have too to help harden schools and provide ability for the schools to help kids identify a problem before it can happen, get that to authorities if you see a kid about to do something >> john: congressman, it's --

i mean, it's a great thought to think that we can prevent all of these things, but as pe set after 9/11, when we are trying to prevent a terrorist attack, we go be right every time and they only need to be right once, and we still see peopl people falling through the cracks. going on in this countryt's because in terms of the developed world, the united states far and away leads every other nation in the developed world in terms of gun violen take a look at this graph. the u.s. way out in front with four deaths per 100,000 people. the next closest nation is prus, way behind at just below .7 deaths per 100 people. what you think is responsible for that discrepancy? >> congressman scalise: and a lot of those countries -- first of all, you look at america, in the last couple of yearsou've seen this crazy defund the police movement, but you've al seen a movement that's been

going on for a few years in big cities where the d.a. ha already been prosecuting criminals until it is shooting or a violent crime, and they're letting criminals back out on the streets and then inevitably what you see is higher rates of crime, and what you are also seeing is more and more american citizens, laiding citizens are buying guns to defend themselves. it's happening in every demographic you can imagine where you have large increases of people buying guns because if they can't have faith that their local police department that's been defunded can arrive quickly or if the d.a. is going to let the criminal out, their only line of defense, so people are buying guns more to defend themselves against crime a crime is out of control and a lot of big cities, but by the way, if you look at whatthose cities, yf things with the defund the police movement, with letting people out, no cash bail come over there making it easier for people to commit crimes. look at the smash-and-grab crimes. to think it's going to end there if they think they can get away with a crime, they're not going

to be charged, they will going to commit more crimes and worse crimes, it happened in other places, let's get back to regular policing. >>n: let's take a look at where the public is on some of these policies regarding gun sales. do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers? 89% of americans say they support, du support or oppose red flag laws? 74%,1 opposed. you and other republicans have used about background checks and red flag laws that seem to run counter to what public sentiment is. so are the views that you and your colues hold out of step with where the nation's? >> congressman scalise: i can assure you that the american public wasn't asked in that poll about components of the bills demos are moving through congress to do those things, so under the guise of red flag, they take away due process where they literally can come into your house and take away your gun without you even knowing that there was some kind of proceeding where somebody said oh, i think that guy might be a

threat so now somebody can go and take away your constitutional right. i don't think peopleld agree with that, that's not how we dealh rights in america. >> john: congressman, if that had happened in the case of the buffalo shooter, ten people would be alive today. >> congressman scalise: again, due process is a constitutional right. if you pass a bill that's unconstitutional and think it's going to solve a problem, again, i point to california. maybe someday thought taking away a gun from a 19-year-old is going to solve a problem. it happens to be unconstitutional, so you do have to follow the laws and the constitution and againcus on the root cause of the problem. we are not focusing on the root cause of the problem. the immediate visceral reaction of democrats in washington is to go after the rights of gun owners in america, the law-abiding citizens were using to defend themselves. again i t to west virginia just a few days ago. that shooter brovery law in the books, there's hundreds of gun laws already on the books that aren't even being enforced

by this administration in some cases and so this guy has got a gun, he's going up to shoot a bunch of people, he doesn't even under current law have the right to have a gun that he's got. thank god thers a woman with n and a constitutional carry permit where she knew how to use the gun and she took the shooter down. if we take away the rights of those people, they are not going to be able to defend themselves from the people that don't care with the laws are. they are going to figure out what they're goingo do. in berkeley, they were using bombs to try to blow up th school, so when we focus on the root cause of the problem instead of tg to take away the guns from law-abiding citizens who have a constitutional right to y it? >> john: we will be watching closely the action in congress. thank you for taking time out of yourday to speak with us. >> congressman scalise: great being with you, god bless. up next we are back with our sunda group to discuss the divide over meaningful gun reform. stay with us. ♪ ♪ (vo) while you may no a pediatric surgeon volunteering

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>> it will hamper the rights of law-abiding citizens and it will do nothing to st mass shootings. >> we say that none of the solutions proposed stock gun violence in america, well there i certainly agree. this bill will not alone save every life we will lose to gun violence this year, but it will save some >> john: the argument raging in congress over how to prevent the next mass shooting after incidents in buffalo, uvalde, and tulsa, we are back now with the panel. josh, how to prevent the mass next mass shooting is not a lot of progress, your former boss mitch mcconnell has instructed senajohn cornyn to reach across the aisle and try to get something done. what is possible when you have both sides deeply entrenched in r own philosophies? >> it certainly bedeviled congress for a lot of years. i think congressman ise pointed out one reason why, right? every time there is a reaction to any kind of shooting, it's

immediately in a gun-control realm rather than the larger start of school security mental health issue which all need to be addressed. i think there is some reason for hope here in pding some solution because senator cornyn is at the centf this from a republican perspective. the first thing to know is this is not something that's going to get done next week. this is going to take multiple weeks to talk through. the second thing is, this is not good to be a gun-control bill. this is come to be a school safety bill. this is going to be a larger, broader legislative framework that hopefully brings people together in some form or fashion. he set a track record of success on this if you look back after a shooting in a church in texas, he led the effort on something called fix next, and information sharing network that helps with background checks, brought 75, 80 votes to the table on something like that. i think that's kin a formula they are hoping to look for in something that comes together. >> john: congress and other day indicated he wanted to take

a steamroller approach to this. listen to what he said. >>f the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. if the supreme court objects, we will expand it and we will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation in our communities. >> john: is that sort of scorched earth approach really the wa way to get bipartisan bun on trying to s the problem? >> i think it is natural in the wake of these wearable tragedies to hear some of rhetoric where people are angry and they are frustrated and it keeps happening and it hasn't worked yet. congress hasn't done anything, so i think it is natural that yoar people reaching for options that a few years ago nobody would have talked about, but the fact is that there are a number of majors including background checks, safe storage, raising the age where you can buy certain weapons that would have preventome school shootings. not all, but you know, 15 years ago a terrorist tried to blow up a plane with issues and we all take our shoes off. i can take 3 ounces of shampoo

on any plane i go on, we did that on the theory that if we can prevent one death or a plane full of people were killed, that would be worth it from a prevention standpoint. we need to apply those same lessons -- steve scalisealked about how we fought the war on terrorism, we took a number of measures to prevent possibilities of attacks that never even happen. in this case we've seen these shootings happen, so if we can prevent some of them -- not all -- some with some of these measures in a holistic way, it mental health, looking at hardening schools, let's do it. >> john: we should point out, you have done some work for gun manufacturers and you are also an nra member. when you look at the political argument democrats are always pointing fingers at republicans as they are the ones who don't want to do anything about this. we the democrats are the only ones who want to solve the problem. republicans say you are coming at the problem from the wrong approach. how do you think this will play >> it's the responsibility ofr?

all politicians, republic is a democrat to do things that are feasible and things that are constitutional and policy positions that are based in fact that actually work to solve the problem. heard a lot from the president calling for the assault weapons ban to be reinstated, that's not true according to the department of justice, it did not reduce crime or mass shootings. we also know from data from the department of justice that 77% of mass shootings are carried out with handguns anif we want to talk about the mental health expected this, data from the department of justice shows that 77% of k-12 mass shooters were suicidal. i think that is where people can focus locally and in congress to talk about why these things are ening to these kids and why they are engaging in this type violence. the other last thing i would say is you had congressman democrat david cis illini this week say that i don't want to hear about your second amendment b.s. well, constitutional rights matter, even in the aftermath of

a tragedy and horrific crime, and so that is not a starting place if you want real compromise buried >> john: jacqune minute left here, the presi has said he's going to be the great uniter but what we saw in a speech the other night was basilly bipartisan tng. >> i think this white house has an opportunity to do something on gun control and gun reforms. he said -- he makes this big overture and then he goes to the beach after saying he's not been really involved in his talks. talking to republicans, but you can let joe biden be joe biden and treat it like the infrastructure bill. it was significant at the first lawmakers who came to the biden white house were a group of senate republicans. that's how you get something passed and these house bills are widely seen as messaging bills. they want to get something done, he needs to be talking to the right people. >> john: he then of course pulled the rug out from underneath their feet. >> progressive pushes him to do that. >> john: maybe it was constructive, maybe it wasn't. panel, g to see you, we will see you all again soon. coming up next, a final word on the week ahead. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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