see the clouds as well. we'll hope yes. cross our fingers and we'll be here. we'll be here for you. enjoy your time. all right you. enjoy your time. all right >> mike: i'm mike emanuel. president joe biden returns from foreign travel to the hard reality of inflation and a new reality on abortion. ♪ ♪ americans facing high food and gasoline prices this holiday weekend as the president points the finger again. >> president biden: russia, russia, russia. >> mike: and are willing from a nation's high court while standard in the world stage. >> president biden: it is a mistake, in my view, for the supreme court to do what it did buried >> mike: we will ask national security council strategic mitigation scored near john kirby about the plan to fight global inflation, the process for peace in ukraine and the president's comments on the court.

plus, tensions and confusion as states navigate the post-roe v. wade legal landscape. we will discuss with governor tate reeves of mississippi, one of several states with trigger laws now facing legal challenges. plus, the abortion fight quickly becoming a key issue in midterm races along with the president's local members. we will ask our sunday panel about democrats plans to shift strategy and whether they want mr. biden at their side on the trail. >> i intend t to the campaigning myself. >> mike: and we will discuss explosive new testimony from a key witness about former president trump's actions on january 6th. >> i just want to confirm that that is when you are the president say that people with weapons weren't there to hurt him and they one of the secret service to remove the magnetometers. >> that's correct. >> mike: all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪

>> mike: angelagain from fox news in washingtonnd happy inpendence day weekend. the president back on u.s. soil days after meeting with european allies to discuss ongoing supporfor ukraine. the presidenhinting that steep gas prices we are seeing this holiday could be here to stay as russia's war rages on. and he's promising action to preserve one's access to abortion as state bands go into effect. in a moment, nationastrategic communications john kirby it drives me to discuss the ministrations plans increase the global oil's supply but first let's turned to alex off without president biden is balancing foreign and domestic priorities. alex. >> according to the president, they are one and the same, reiterating the stance that rushes to blfor the current cost-of-living crisis in the morning americans not to grow weary. president biden did not arrive home with a remedy for gas prices but left the g7 and nato

leadership meanings with the cap -- a fast-track indication for sweden and finland to julie the alliance -- >> president biden: is getting exactly what he did not want. he wanted the federalization of nato. he got the nato -- >> additional military it resistance was pledged to allies in the continued fight to preserve ukraine. it also centered around potential security threats posed by china. >> president biden: we rallied our alliances to meet both of direct threats that russia poses europe and the systemic challenges that china poses to a rules-based world order. >> the president also used the world stage to admonish the supreme court's overturning of roe v. wade. from the white house try to come up president biden met virtually democratic governors who vowed to preserve access to abortions. >> president biden: i share the public outrage at this extremist court has committed to moving america backwards with fewer rights, less autonomy.

>> while the president said he supports a carve out to the senate filibuster in order to codify roe v. wade, he conceded that democrats likely do not have enough votes right now to change senate procedure. after the meeting, president biden took off to camp david, joining a pre-pandemic rate of americans who traveled this holiday weekend. those who did so by air faced thousands of delays and cancellations. on the legislative side, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said this week that republicans will not support a bipartisan innovation bill if democrats continue to pursue a slimmed down version their social spending package. mike buried >> mike: alex hoff reporting from the white house. alex, many thanks. joining us now, national security council strategic mitigation score later john kirby. admiral, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> john: good to be with you, thanks. >> mike: let's start in ukraine, your formal specialty being a former pentagon spokesman. is the goal to wear out the russians or to defeat them? >> john: the goal is to make sure that ukraine can continue

to defend itself and can defend its sovereignty and its territorial integrity and you have the president talk about this at nato just a few days ago. we don't need -- we don't want to see ukraine defeated by russia, that's where we are continuing to rush aid and assistance. now more than $7 billion worth of assistance. that's just from the united states alone to ukraine. >> mike: there are concerns this war could drag on. mostxpect that a negotiated settlement wilbe required to end it. is it time for the president of the united states to push the russians and ukrainians to the negotiating table? >> john: it's time for the united states to continue to support ukraine, and that's what we are doing. residents linsky, he gets to determine how victory is decided and what terms and what we are going to do is continue to make sure that can succeed on the battlefield so that he can succeeat the table, but even president zelenskyy will tell yothat the time is not now for those discussions and certainly president putin has shown no indication that he's interesng

in negotiating talks. quite the corary, he continues to not my lash out, but conducts air strikes now in places like kyiv buried >> mike: do you worry that the rules of engagement are too restrictive for the ukrainians come and do you worry about a stalemate? >> john: the ukrainians are fighting really bravely and skillfully, mike, and they are not only working to defend territory, and they have done a noble job of that. there going on the counter offensive, there were pressure port this morning that they struck back. as you might recall, it's a town they lost several weeks ago. there are striking back. so they have been willing to go on the counter offensive. i can't speak to ukrainian rules of engagement on the battlefield but i can tell you that they are fighting bravely, skillfully, and white creatively. >> mike: president biden tweeted last night my message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple. this is a time of war and global peril, bring down the price you're charging at the pump to reflect the cost you're paying for the product, and do it now.

jeff bezos tweeted late last night outs, inflation is far too important a problem for the white house to keep making statements like this. it's either straight ahead this direction or a deep misunderstanding of basic market dynamics. how do you respond? >> john: it's neither. not in terms of president biden's view. the american people are facing pain at the pump, clearly, we are at $5 a gallon. in the president is working very, very hard across many fronts, mike, to try and bring that price down. g7 working on trying to develop a price cap on russian oil. asking congress to support a three month holiday for the gas tax. and of course releasing now a million barrels of oil, record number barrels of oil out of our strategic reserve to try to bring that price down. he knows that that's not going to solve all the problems but it will help if everybody cooperates with myth. we can bring the price done at

least by a dollar a gallon, so he's working very hard to do this because he knows the impact that high gas prices have on the american household. >> mike: misdirection is a pretty serious allegation from a business mogul who happens to be the owner of "the washington post." >> john: i think anybody that knows president biden knows he's plainspoken and he tells exactly what he's thinking in terms that everybody can understand. so i think we office we take great exception if you doubt that this is somehow misdirection. the president is speaking honestly with the american people about what he's trying to do to bring the prices down, but he was honest even before the invasion about the fact that it would not be cost free. certainly not cost free to president pun, but it wouldn't be costly to the american people to stand up for democracy, to stand up for uaine's ability to defend itself buried >> mike: he's expected to leaders in the middle east to talk about gasoline prices. there's been some iticism about potentially meeting with the saudis because he's called them a pariah state. let's play it. >> president biden: i guess i will see the king and the crown

prince, but that's not the meeting i'm going to. if they will be part of a much larger meeting. i'm not ing to ask -- and going to ask there's all the gulf states our meeting. i've indicated to them that i thought they should be increasing oil production generically, not to the sounis particularly buried >> mike: does it matter if he discusses oil production with the saudis individually or in a group meeting? >> john: the president is going to the gulf cooperation council. that's the purpose for this trip. saudis are the host of the gcc, and they have led it quite well. if i'm the president is looking forward to a range of topics that we have to discuss. energy is going to be on the agenda of course and you are the president, you will talk about energy security in the context of the gcc. he will have a bilateral discussion with the king and the king's leadership team, but there's an awful lot on this agenda, mike, that we can't forget, and clearly energy is an important global issue right now, the president understands

that, but so is terrorism. so it was the war in yemen, we are now on the second extension of a cease-fire in yemen that the united states helped with our engagement helped get us that through the saudis. and then of course there's the issue of climate change. there is a lot going on in the gcc that the president is looking forward to discussing. >> mike: we follow-up, can you confirm no one-on-one meetings with the king or crown prince or even a pull aside? >> john: the president will have a bilateral discussion him and his leadership team and the crown princes on the leadership team so as you have the presidency he certainly expects he will be seeing the crown prince in the context of that bilateral discussion. >> mike: okay. do you worry that countries in the middle east -- they may not be willing or may not be able to increase production to impact prices here at home? >> john: i don't want to get ahead of the agenda and what they're going to decide at the gcc meeting. i would just note, mike, that already there has -- opec has

increased by 50% previously scheduled increases for july and august, so going into the rest of the summer, they've already increased, again, by half. planned increases for oil production, and we will see what happens as a result of this meeting and where things go. the president understands that, you know, increased oil production can help, which is another reason why again he's tapped into our strategic reserve of a million barrels a day, but there's an awful lot that goes into energy security that isn't just about oil production and again, the president is looking forward to having that discussion. >> mike: the president spoke this week about inflation. let's play it. >> president biden: i can understand why the american people are frustrated because of inflation, but inflation is higher in almost every other country, prices of the pump are higher at almost every other country, we are better positioned to deal with this than anyone but we have a way to go. >> mike: but let's take a look at inflation numbers for major economies. there are many with inflation lower than the u.s. and as of may, average inflation in g7

countrieis lower than it is in the u.s. are we in a better position to deal with inflation? >> john: the american economy is incredibly strong. we are still a 3.6 unemploymen under president biden's leaderip now in just the first year, 9 million more jobs were added. that is not an economy in a recession and the president is right, we have the foundational elements here to whether t economy, whether through this and come through strong and good on the outside, on the other end of it. >> mike: the president also made headlines in spain, criticizing the supreme court. let's play that. >> president biden: the on thing that has been destabilizing is the outrageous behavior of the supreme court of the united states. on overruling not only roe v. wade, but essentially challenging the right to privacy. we've been a leader in the world in terms of personal rights and privacy rights. >> mike: is that appropriate on the world stage? >> john: the president was answering an honest and fair question from a reporter, an

american reporter, i might add, in a press conference, and so he said it, answered it in exactly the same way i'm a tone, same tenor, that he spoke about the decision -- the dobbs decision when it was announced, when it came out. so he was very consistent with what he said before, but he was answering a question from a reporter. he was actually up there at nato to talk about the accomplish means of the summit, which more significant, the potential now a session of sweden and finland, which will change the alliance forever, the inclusion of global partnerships at the nato, the first time we had a straley, japan, south korea at a nato summit and then of course the continued support to ukraine and a strategic concept. the first one in 12 years, mind you, that not only talks about the threat that russia poses to european and transatlantic security, but also mentions china and the challenges posed by china. it was a wide-ranging press conference, he answered a question honestly and fairly and he used the same exact terms

about his disappointment in the supreme court's decision as he did right here at home before he left buried >> mike: let's talk about basketball star brittney griner, in detention issia, her wife has expressed frustration. >> do trust that the maximum amount of effort is being put forward to bring pg home? >> no, i don't, and i hate to say that, because i do trust that they are -- that the persons working on this, that i do believe. but i don't think the maximum amount of effort is being done. >> mike: any plans for the president to meet with her as a possible prisoner swap? >> john: i don't have anything on the president's schedule to speak to today. i can tell you he is very much engaged in this and he has been engaged with the team that is not only in direct communication with miss griner, but also working very, very hard to get her released. she needs to come home, it's

past time, the united states government is very, very focused on her case, as it is on the cases of other unjustly and wrongfully detained americans around the world. this is something of the president takes very, very seriously. >> mike: remained in mexico policy, the supreme court says you guys can wind it down. i don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of the supreme court or the policy. i know that's not your specialty, but broadly, are you concerned about the impa at the border, which is alrdy facing very difficult tis? >> john: we believe that this "remain in mexico" policy was inhumane andt actually forced peop that were applying for asylum to then go back to deplorable condition unsafe conditions, and to face the potential for further violence. being pushed back into mexico like that, so look, we are working our way through e supreme court's decision and i won't get ahead of decisions here, but we welcome this decision and we are going to be

working hard here on what the next steps are going to be. >> mike: what about the humanitarian crisis of the border? just this week we saw more than 50 migrants killed in a tractor-trailer. >> john: artist with its deplorable. and i would make a couple of points here. number one, under president biden's leadership now we have really gone after human traffickers and smugglers. i mean, more than 2400 arrests just to date since april, since we started this. and then look at the summit of the americas, when the president was out in los angeles just a couple weeks ago for the first time getting more than 20 heads of state from the region to sign up to a migration declaration that for the first time, mike, actually considers the root causes of a regional focus here. what's causing, whether it's economically, politically or socially, the root causes of these migrants to flow north into mexico and put pressure on the mexican government, so for the first time now leaders

across the region are going to take a holistic approach to try and get at those root causes to stop these migrants. >> mike: last one, what about your new role of the white house? some people see u.s. perhaps a cowhite house press secretary. how do you respond? >> john: no, no, no. she is the press secretary, i'm just at the national security council and just trying to help with coordination of some of the comms efforts and it's a great honor and a privilege to be given this opportunity and i'm very much excited about it. >> mike: admiral john kirby, thank you for your service, thank you for your time this independence day we can. >> john: thank you. >> mike: up next, both sides of the debate are preparing for an onslaught -- restrictions on abortions across the u.s., mississippi governor tate reeves joins us next on the legal challenge over his state 'stricter law and what the law means for women and doctors in his state. as a ♪

♪ ♪ >> mike: the president continues to blast the supreme court ruling that overturned roe v. wade. this week he met with nine democratic governors to discuss next steps to preserve access and the marshal of the supreme court asked officials in maryland and virginia to enforce their jurisdictions laws against picketing outside of justice's homes. this comes as pro-choice advocates are suing over new laws in multiple states. blican governor tate reeves's on this complicated legald the s governor tate reeves, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> governor reeves: thank you

for having me on today, mike. >> mike: mississippi's attorney general has initiated steps to certify the state's trigger law and it could go into effect after ten days, but you're facing a legal challenge from the state's only clinic and that states a state supreme court ruling from 1998 which reads that we find that the state constitutional right to privacy includes an implied right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. question, is your trigger law going to survive this legal challenge, and if so, on what grounds? >> governor reeves: well, yes, we do believe that our trigger law is going to withstand this particular challenge. as you know, the court made their decision last friday, on monday of this past week, our attorney general did her duty under the law, which is to certify that roe v. wade was in fact overturned. it takes ten days for that trigger law then to go into effect. jackson women's health organization, which is the exact same organization that we were opposite in the supreme cour wie

chief justice of the supreme cour in hinds county, which is the court of jurisdiction, recuss week on the particular case but yes, i do expect for the state's law to be withheld -- upheld in the state court and i do expect our trigger like to go into effect. >> mike: do you plan to enforce the ban even if this challenge is still taking its way through the courts? >> governor reeves: obviously we are going to go through the court system in the manner in which we are required to do. unless there is an injunction which forces us not to enforce it, then ocourse we're going to enforce the law as it currently exists. >> mike: now that you are preparing for is post-roe world, is there a plan for their women and the children there going to be delivering, in other

words, as the pro-life movement have to shift its efforts now to moms and babies? >> governor reeves: ablutely. you are exactly right in the fact of the matter is this entire court battle was never about winning a cot case, it was always about creating a culture of life, and that's exactly what we are doing here in miss pro-life mississippians and pro-life americans have to continue to do. we havg antiabortion, and in our state we areg policies to do exactly that. >> mike: the republican mississippi state senator who sponsored this law also said he had other lawmakers will be seeking legislation to remove the exception for rape. that? >> governor reeves: i don't believe that an exception for rape will actually make it through the mississippi legislature and make it to my desk. again, there's a lot of effort,

particularly in washington and other places, mainly by the democrats, to try to talk only about the real small minor number of exceptions that may exist. as you know, over 90% of all abortions that are done in america, some 63 million babies live supported since it was wrongly decided 1973, over 90% of those are elective abortions. if the far left really believe what they want you to believe, if they really believe that the american people were with them and work for abortion on demand, then they wouldn't be talking about all of these exceptions and minor numbers. they to be talking about abortion itself. >> mike: when it was overturned, "the american medical association" released a statement calling the decision and egregious allowance of government intrusion into the medical examination room. are you concerned mississippi is intruding on medical decisions women make with their doctors? >> governor reeves: the roe

decision was made by the court based upon what our united states constitution says. they had several opinions over the last couple of weeks and the left has gone crazy on virtually every one of them and the only problem with the left as is that they just forge small document called the united states constitution. and tht has upheld, primarily on 6-3 votes over the last couple of weeks, and the reality is if you read the constitution, there is no guaranteed right to an abortion in the u.s. constitution and therefore i think the court has gotten this one and the other cases that they ruled upon exactly right. >> mike: is there potential for confusion around the exception to save the life of the mother? researchers in texas spoke with clinicians who have been navigating new abortion restrictions there in the last year. they quoted one as saying "people have to be on death's door to qualify for maternal exemptions." are you concerned confusion could impact pregnant women's

health? >> governor reeves: well, there's alwa the potential for confusion, but when you think about the exception for the life of the mother, in esnce you have a true medical decision that has to be made by the physician because you have two lives at stake. you have the life at stake that is the unborn baby in the mother's womb, and potentially the life at stake of the mother, and so that is a decision that should not be made, in my opinion, by litians, but that's a decision that should be made bdoctors and physicians and trying to determine what is the best way to safely protect both lives, hopefully, but certainly a decision has to be made at a moment's notice, and that's only for a position to make. >> mike: let's talk of the differences between states now that roe is no longer in effect. what does enforcement look like in your state? can a woman from mississippi simply travel to a different state and have a procedure, or would you try to stop her? >> governor reeves: in our state, the enforcement is done

by the state board of medical licensure. we have a state board of medical licensure which actually oversees the practice of medicine in our state and they ensure that any physician that is practicing, whether it's through telemedicine or otherwise, that any position that practices in our state is practicing not only based upon the standards of care that we require in our state, but also based upon state law, and so if a physician is attempting to practice medicine in the state of mississippi and they are violating our law, then our state board of medical licensure will pull the license from them. >> mike: should doctors and other states be concerned about prosecution? >> governor reeves: certainly i think that doctors in other states should be concerned about all kinds of things but i'm hopeful that in creating a culture of life interstate, by investing in pregnancy resource centers, the things that we are doing now to get the resources to mothers and babies that they need, which i think is incredibly important that we are going to convince those moms

that yes, those lives are precious and there are people in this world and there are people in the state of mississippi who love not only the moms, but also the babies, and we're looking to do everything we can to help create a forever home for every single baby in mississippi, and we believe we will save lives by doing so. >> mike: what's to stop abortion medication from being sent into mississippi the in the mail? >> governor reeves: what's going to stop that obviously is the board of medical licensure because if a physician is practicing medicine in the state of mississippi, they have to have a license to do so and if abortion is illegal in our state, which it is, then those medicines will not be allowed and they will not have a license to practice in our state. >> mike: should women in mississippi be concerned about survei? >> governor reeves: i have no reason to believe that there will be any surveillance of male or phones, but i do think that if physicians are practicing medicine in our state without a license, than those positions should be very concerned about

doing so. >> mike: a political question, sir. you've supported president president trump. in 2020 for his talking about potentially running again. would you support him in 2024, or is there something that you have heard in the january 6th special committee that may give you pause or may make you want somebody who can carry out his policies, but with a fresh voi voice? >> gernor reeves: like most americans, i haven't spent very much time paying any attention to the january 6th hearings. i did have the occasion of spending some time with president trump just in the last couple of weeks. he was in mississippi, i was pleased to welcome him to our state. there's no doubt in my mind that were it not for his concern and justices -- and by the way, the campaign in 2016 was largely run on who had the ability to appoint a supreme court justice -- justices, and so therefore i believe that president trp's legacy is going to be creating a

supreme court that focuses on the constitution. he's going to have to decide whether or not he's going to run for president and that's a decision that only he can make. and then we will decide at that point, but he certainly did a fantastijob as president and the fact of the matter is when you talk to americans and people like in small towns across mississippi, the things like inflation are what people are worried about. they are not worried about this trial that's being had by only one side in washington, d.c., they are focused on the issues that matter to them and their pocketbooks and joe biden's inflation is really hurting everyday mississippians. >> mike: governor, thank you for talking with us, always good to see you, sir. >> governor reeves: thanks for having me on. >> mike: up next we will bring in our's sunday grip on stunning comments from a former white house staffer this week about what happened january 6 and what to expect as the committee investigating the right drops a new subpoena. ♪ ♪ summerfest is fire! turn up for the grilled lobster,

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♪ i will give you what you're needing ♪ ♪ i'll be right there ♪ ♪ i got your back ♪ ♪ i got you ♪ ♪ ♪ >> mike: we heard stunning allegations this week about the actions of former president trump and his senior staff both before and during the capital right on january 6th. former white house aide cassidy hutchinson testified under oath that the president wanted to join his supporters of the capital. now there is some pushback about certain claims she made. david spunt reports on the revelations, followed, and what happens now. >> the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you god? >> as millions watched this week, former white house aide,

cassidy hutchinson, described a president desperate to hang onto power on january 6, 2021. hutchinson told lawmakers then-president donald trump knew some in the crowd were armed. >> i heard the president say something to the effect of you know, i don't care that they have weapons, they are not here to hurt me, take the bags away, let my people march. >> according to hutchinson, a top-secret service official at the white house told her trump demanded to go to the capital after his speech and hutchinson said she was told the president lashed out when he was told no. >> mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward body angle and when he recounted the story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicle's. >> the former president continues to deny the story, attacking hutchinson's credibility in multiple social media posts. he was not in the vehicle, meaning hutchinson's story is secondhand, which she does not

refute. a secret service spokesman told fox news the committee did not reach out to the agency in the days leading up to hutchinson's testimony, but lawmakers on the committee are defending her credibility. her testimony represented the cumulative information that the committee had received, but we were simply of the mind that the public needed to know about all of this. >> hutchinson's attorney says she stands by her testimony. the committee is in discussions with the secret service to allow vornado and angle to testify. the committee also subpoenaed former white house counsel, though it's not clear if you will play ball washington. david, many thanks. it's time now for our sunday grip. howie kurtz, post of media buzz. fox news political analyst juan willis. "washington post" columnist marc thiessen. and mollie hemingway, the editor in chi of "the federalist." welcome all of you, happy dependence day weekend.

all right, howie, so the select committee has subpoenaed former white house counsel. wh are your thoughts on what we heard this week from the white house aide, the former white house aide, ms. hutchinson, and what's the impact? >> cassidy hutchinson testified under oath about what she'd en told and soffer x collies i think should be -- some of her ex-colleagues should testify. here's how we know her testimony broke through. dona trump is calling her a wacko and a leaker, and a liar. some conservative commentators have been dismissing the whole committee as a clown show, attacking her great ability and defending the former president but this is split on the right. nick mulvaney, former acting white house chief of staff saying he believes hutchinson. but finally new reporting now about whether or not -- we know based on this reporting that trumped groups pay for her previous lawyer, which is interesting, but also that she says she got a phone her former

boss, mark meadows, saying you, he knows you'll be loyal. that has raised questions that could boomerang about whether or not witnesses were being tampered with. >> mike: here's of the wall street editorial board responded. it doesn't mean republicans should look away from the considerable evidence it is producing about mr. trump's behavior. that would surely be irrelevant to voters if he runs in 2024. is this moving the needle with g.o.p. voters? >> it seems to be moving the needle in exactly the opposite way that democrats would hope for. polls are coming out showing that donald trump's popularity is increasing when he's up against joe biden, his numbers are even better than they were before. and that's not surprising. i mean, this is not a legitimate committee. this is the first time in the history of congress that you've only had members appointed by one party. that's because nancy pelosi kicked off the top republicans on the committee and the only people on the committee are appointed by her. so there serving her purposes. so you're not getting a balance of information.

if there were plenty of people who testified who contradict what this aide had said. their testimony is not being shown or released in any and i k americans generally don't like >> mike: let's get you into the mix, juan, january 6th. >> it seems to me pretty overwhelming evidence, this evidence is coming from republicans. these are republicans who are testifying under oath. in the case of ms. hutchinson, she was a loyal front worker and very much a person who was not only hired by mr. meadows, but you know, a friend of mr. meadows, so she is simple he telling you what took place, and with regard to the january 6 panel, let's not forget -- i think president trump now has indicated he's disappointed that kevin mccarthy, the republican leader in the house, did not choose to participate, and it was kevin mccarthy's choice

once nancy pelosi said no to two very provocative high-energy type trumped -- she had a choice, and then he had a choice to say let me put other people he instead withdrew. that was his choice. >> theact the event cassidy hutchinson giving very compelling testimony and very important testimony, but there was no cross-examination of he from summary with a different point of view. most americans look at that and say that's unfair and that's a legitimate, so that's the problem. it's not the speaker part of his job to choose who the republicans are going to be on a committee. the other problem that they have is ts is all captivating to us in the washington bubble. out in the american heartland, with the democrats are sending a ssage to the american people, this is the most important issue facing the country. a lot of americans were having to choose between gas and food are saying that's not the most importanissue to me. where the hearings hearings on the worst inflation in 40 years, the highest gas prices on record, the worst border crisis in american history, the worst crime ve since the 1990s? all the things i'm experiencing every day.

so "the new york times" and my newspaper, "the washington post" from about this, because this is feeding their echo chamber. but out in the dash this is not what people are voting on. >> i think that comes across to me as attempting to distract people from the idea that there was a group of people led by the president of the united states who tried to undermine the united states government, led an insurrection. nobody is regarding her testimony. he knew there were people with weapons and he wanted to go up to the capital and lead those people to stop the certification of an election. >> i don't disagree with you on that. what i'm saying is we had bipartisan hearings and a bipartisan report in the senate. we had an impeachment trial on this, and now we are having us. and the effort is obviously political. it's to try to re-talk-if i trump freedom >> i think senator mcconnell stopped any investigation. >> i think there's a backlash against democrats because it says to the american people, you

are not focused on what i care about. >> mike: molly, you had a comment? >> people were concerned about political violence throughout 2020 when their cities were being burned down, when the white house was attacked, when federal courthouses were being attacked for months at a time, when police precincts were burned to the ground, and nobody cared. nobody did investigations when the american people were being harmed, and you have one thing that has been condemned by people across the political spectrum, and it has become the only thing washington, d.c., cares about, which really emphasizes for the american people that washington, d.c., doesn't care about them, they just care about themselves. >> mike: to the supreme court ruling on roe v. wade this week, we again are -- our previous week, we again see calls for democrats to end a filibuster in the united states senate, how we, but they don't have the votes. >> it's ali's they don't have the votes and president biden went on television and said i am calling to suspend a filibuster. first time he's ever done that, and then the press had to say sorry, mr. president, you don't have the votes because kyrsten sinema and joe manchin are not in favor of even a a one

time suspension for the filibuster. it makes him look weak and ineffective to do that. beyond that there's a lot of growing complaints from democrats about how biting needs to take bold action and just stop making speeches about this, and yet he hasn't, and this i think is hurting him. it's providing talk -- i know we will talk in the next segment about the midterms, but at the same time, when you have all these state-by-state battles, you talk to the governor of mississippi about this, some democratic prosecutors saying they are not going to enforce the law in the red states. i don't know how they can possibly get away with that, some pro-life group saying, you know, we're going to go try to have legislation for citizs to sue anybody who tries to go to a state where it's legal, and finally, you have mike pence saying let's have a nationwide ban, but evan mccarthy is saying have a banner for 15 weeks, summer republicans are nervous about the impact of a total ban. >> mike: mollie, the pro-life movement has been going after, wanted to go after roe v. wade for decades, now it's actually here in terms of getting the supreme court to overturn that ruling.

what's the impact for pro-life women of every age? >> it affects everybody in a beautiful way. the pro-life movement has worked for 50 years to get rid of this really poorly decided assertion from the supreme court and it has shown the success of the conservative judicial movement, of churches, of people working for long, but i want to also point out, what it has done is just allowed people to debate this at the state level. and you look at what's happening internationally, something like protecting unborn human life after 15 weeks it's very standard internationally. that's with the stop's decision allows to do. it allows us to be more like the rest of the world in how we protect unborn human life, at least at some point. and i would say that democrats actually have a very radical position to defend. their position is no restriction on abortion for any reason at any time in pregnancy. if you want to end human life because your child is a girl, they think that should be legal. that is a very difficult political decision to defend now that it's being returned to the states and people can have a

more moderate viewpoint. >> mike: the president talked about changing the filibuster, doesn't appear to have the votes. is he too reactive to the most progressive voices in the democratic party? >> no, i think is reactive to the fact that if you just want to talk politics and not morals, i think that, you know, more than 60% of the american people think roe should have been left in place and it was in place under various political alignments on the court for almost 50 years. so now it's a question of wait a second, how do we simply reestablish what was a norm for the american people and foan wor daughters don't have less rights than their mothers and grandmothers. i will say that with regard to the senate and trying to get a waiver in terms of the filibuster, kyrsten sinema and joe manchin both say if we do that, what if the republicans gain the majority, then they could in fact put in place a total ban on abortion, but i think they are miscalculating. i think mitch mcconnell will do that anyway, and now the

dynamic is shifted in terms of what mollie was just talking about, the energy was on the people who are opposed to abortion, working against abortion rights for more than 50 years. now the energy is taking democrats and suburban women who want abortion rights to the polls come november. >> mike: mcconnell didn't do it when donald trump was president. what makes you think -- >> merrick garland. >> he didn't do it. donald trump asked him to get the filibuster, mcconnell didn't do it because he said we might be in a minority one day. this is the problem. the democrats -- the democrats are going to lose one house of congress, we're going to talk about the midterms in a minute but in 2024, they are defending five times as many seats as republicans are, so even if we don't take back the senate, republicans don't take back the senate, they are probably going to take it back in 2024, you could have a republican president, republican house and republican senate you don't want to filibuster-free senate. getting into it pretty wel

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>> have you talked to president biden about reelection? >> joe biden is running for reelection and i will be his ticket mate. >> false. >> full. >> mike: she intends to in president biden on the 2024 ticket we are back with the panel. there's a pretty lengthy "new york times" piece this week about will he or won't he run. seems to frustrate president biden a great deal. is there anything he can do to tamp down these stories? >> probably not.

he does want to run and even if he -he wouldn't acknowledge that because then you become a lame duck but there is growing calls from democrats, this is not the opposition party saying he maybe shouldn't run. and this ties into the abortion decision i think because by the left-wing of of his party, the president is seen as ineffective not just on abortion rights, but he always seems to be plain catch up, whether it's baby formula or at the border. voting rights, police are from, all these issues, and so it's a hard position for joe biden. you would think he would at least have the support of his own party, but you know, the age question and the fitness question are now being openly debated in part thanks to these median reports. >> mike: marc, we show the sound bites from the vice president and then there was a statement, kind of clarifying, is that for campaign finance reasons or is that to give the president a little wiggle over and? how do you see it? >> generally speaking the president of the united states announces his reelection, not the vice president, so that was a little bit of a slip up. i needs to put out

"the new york times" story that people are questioning this. to see expect? he is the least popular president in history of presidential polling going back to harry truman. no president has been this unpopular 500 days in the presidency from truman to trump erie to 70% of the americans say they are better off now, 64% say they don't want him to run for reelection. worst inflation, highest gas prices, worst crime wave of the 1990s, baby formula shortage, this summer we're going to have blackouts because of the war on fossil fuel. "washington post" reported that the midwest, which has since stable electricity for decades is going to have blackouts because they pushed the coal industry out of business and there's no renewables to replace it. what kind of a record is that to run on? so of course people are talking about it and you know, you want people to stop talking about it, change or policies. >> mike: i see juan getting ready. >> i listen and i think chicken little is in the room. the sky is falling, run from america. i love america, let me just say

that. i'm glad to be here and i think i'm really glad that we had a president who was able to deal with, you know, once-in-a-lifetime pandemic. i think that's great that we are where we are right now, that we can have fourth of july celebrations. let me just say, we kept a lot of people from going under financially, especially working-class americans, thanks to covid relief programs. secondly, we are stopping russia from running over ukraine, which is a clear signal to the chinese, who are our enemies, and i think again, it's important. we just heard earlier, this is a long-term effort, this is not something you can just quit on. and don't forget, when you have an extreme supreme court, when you have these things going on, the american people are a lot of people say the countries going in the wrong direction, but people understand at ben is working at it, he may not have success. a lot of people in the democratic side are frustrated but this is not just aressive, referendum about him.

it's a referendum about a president who was trying to overthrow the u.s. government and democrats will -- >> mike: let's get this out of the table involve. how abt a midterm question for llie. abigail of virginia has said that may be time for new leadership in the democratic party. she says president biden will not be campaigning her -- with her this fall. do you expect other democrats in tough races to folw suit? >> with how toxic joe biden is, it will be unsurprising to see a lot of people hoping that he do not help with their campaign. but i think the democrats and actually the entire political establishment are misdiagnosing the level of problems here. it is true that biden is very unpopular, but what's more true is that the entire democrat policy agenda is unpopular. this is something where the ideas he has are not contested in the house or the senate. he almost has nobody disagreeing with him, the energy policy he's put forth, his foreign policy that he's put forth, these are things the entire democratic party has supported, and they

are very unpopular. people knew when they voted for biden last time that there were rumors of his cognitive decline at that point. the fact that he's doing poorly now is not that surprising, but if the people who were running things actually were more competent and more moderate you wouldn't be seeing this chatter. >> mike: how are both sides framing mistakes basement terms right now? >> you know, president biden's strongest issue i think is his leadership of the western alliance on ukraine. unfortunately for him, that is not a big voting issue. foreign policy is at 1% in a recent poll on inflation, people really do care. we've gone through several iterations of its transitory, it's going to get better, are we headed for a recession, so you know, the democratic president is trying to say times are tough, part of it is the war. if the republicans, we heard some of this from marc, for saying this all of these problems, people think the country is headed in the wrong direction and there's a sense that things are out of control and that hurts the incumbent. >> mike: is a lot of people sing democrats independents and

republican say we are headed in the wrong direction. that is to be alarming for not only the white house but for these democratic campaign committees. >> that's before we'd even gotten quarter 2 economic data which the atlanta fed stated they are predicting the second quarter will be 2.1% decrease in gdp, two quarters of negative growth are what most people define as a recession as. having a recession while doing midterms is going to be very difficult for democrats. >> i wouldn't talked on the country like that or -- >> i'm talking down the polic policies. >> the policy is -- >> they're very frustrated wealth what's happening in d.c. they are frustrated by these gas prices. >> the gas prices, they are frustrated on the war with russia, how about that? >> mike: we've got to run. thank you for the fireworks on this fourth of july weekend. see you next sunday. up next, a final word on the week ahead. ♪ ♪

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