birthday, claire. we'll see you next week for more of the issue is that's very sweet of you. >> shannon: i'm shannon bream, after 15 rounds of votes. kevin mccarthy takes the gavel. and president biden about to depart this morning for his first presidential visit to the u.s.-mexico border. ♪ ♪ >> the president is very much looking forward to seeing for himself firsthand. >> shannon: two years since taking office and finally the president is set to see the crisis at the border with his own eyes. we'll go live to el paso for a preview of his trip. reaction to his new strategy to stop the influx. >> do not just show up at the border. stay where you are and apply legally from there. >> shannon: and whereby he points the finger of blame. >> the most extreme republicans continue to demagogue this

issue. i'm left with only one choice. to act on my own. >> and then. >> i never thought we would get up. here. >> republicans deadlocked over selecting the speaker of the house. we'll discuss what the stand off could mean for governing in the new congress. joined by jim jordan. the chair of the judicial committee and ro khanna face tough battles on house oversight. plus, damar hamlin on the road to recovery after on-field collapse during monday night field. >> yes did we win yes, damar hamlin, you've won. you've won the game of life. >> the nfl canceling the bills-bengals game. we'll ask the sunday panel what the move means for the post season. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> shannon: hello from fox news in washington. right now president biden is

gearing up for a highly anticipated trip to the southern border. the trip comes just as he has announced new immigration rules. the u.s. will now allow entry for tens of thousands of migrants from some countries. but there are also new penalties for entering the u.safter congrg republican kevin mccarthy on becoming house speaker after days of turmoil on the hill. in a moment, republican congressman jim jordan will join us to discuss the dramatic battle as his party selected a new leader. we begin with live team coverage. lucas tomlinson at the white house with the look at the tense moments in the speakership fight. first, mark meredith is live in el paso, texas, where president biden is expected today. hello, mark. >> shannon, good morning to you. today, president biden is expected to see firsthand what so many republicans and some democrats have been calling a growing humanitarian and national security crisis. during his visit to el paso today, the president will be meeting face to face with u.s. border patrol agents.

the same men and women who are ebb countering mencountering miy basis. 2.3 million migrants in the last fiscal year. >> ahead of this visit the president outlined how the u.s. plans to handle the anticipated end of title 42, which is that pandemic era policy impacting immigration. soon the u.s. is going to turn away asylum seekers who simply show up at the border. instead, the u.s. is urging people to file their paperwork in the country they're trying to escape. also, no doubt today's visit also about politics. the president has faced widespread criticism including from some members of his own party for refusing to go to the border until today. even told reporters last month when he was heading out to arizona that he had more important things to do. but, in his remarks on thursday, it appeared he tried to flip the script. >> look, we need more resources to secure the border. yet again, extreme republicans have said no. many republicans agree we should do something, but it's time to

stop listening to their inflammatory talk. it's time to look at their record. >> now, the president's visit here to el paso is going to be brief. he's only expected to be here a few hours. then he's off to mexico for a summit with north american leaders. tomorrow a bipartisan group of senators will also be here in el paso to get a sense of what's been going on on the ground, shannon? >> shannon: mark meredith reporting from the u.s.-mexico border. thank you very much. turn over to lucas tomlinson live at the white house. >> hello, shannon. longest vote for house speaker since 1859. kevin mccarthy crossed that critical threshold just after midnight early saturday. >> the vote took five days and 15 ballots. [cheers] >> for kevin mccarthy to finally become house speaker. >> our system is built on checks and balances. it's time for us to be a check and provide some balance to the president's policies. >> tensions mounted with each

failed vote. mccarthy could only afford four defections. first vote monday saw 19 jump ship. things took a turn friday afternoon when 15 republicans crossed the line to support mccarthy. but at 11:00 p.m., he was still one vote short. after matt gaetz voted present following the roll call vote, mccarthy and allies approached gaetz. the incoming chairman of the house armed services committee mike rogers had to be restrained. two republicans who had left town hastily returned to the capitol to vote for mccarthy. ken buck, who early in the week said mccarthy should consider stepping aside and newly elected wesley hunt from houston who had returned home, after his wife was hospitalized, following the premature birth of their son. negotiations throughout the week stretched late into the night. some see mccarthy's role as speaker now diminished. one defector says the goal all

along. >> turned the speakership into a ceremonial position. >> the sideline deals negotiated between mccarthy and the hold out never remained public. in the end kevin mccarthy 216 votes for speaker, the nam number nancy pelosi received just two years ago. shannon? >>y much. joining us now from ohio congressman jim jordan who was the top republican on the judiciary committee in the last congress and expected to lead the committee in the 118th welcome back to "fox news sunday," congressman. >> good to be with you. happy new year. >> shannon: things got ugly this week. critics say it's proof are not about the norms and law and order. opinion piece said this: this is what happens when a political party, year after year, systematically destroys the norms and institutions of democracy. two years to the day since january 6th invasion of the capitol, republicans are still

attacking the functioning of government. all right. we've seen the video. want to play more of this. this is what was happening friday night. how do you convince republicans including this moment it could turn into a physical altercation to yoto your party can govern. >> you heard kevin mccarthy got the same number of votes speaker pelosi got the last time. the same majority number 222 that we have this time. so sometimes democracy is messy. i would argue that's how the founders intended it. they wanted real debate and real input from all people and then you get a decision. whether it's 1 vote or 15 votes. kevin mccarthy is still speaker of the house. i have seen all kinds of games go into extra innings and overtime. that's how it works. we will come together to deal with how radical the left now has made the democrat party. i mean, the ridiculous things -- i said this on the floor on tuesday. you think about in a two-year time span we have seen a border that is no longer a border. we have seen a military that can't meet its recruitment goal.

we have seen terrible energy policy, terrible education policy, record spending, record inflation, record debt, and maybe, most importantly, a government weaponized against the very people it's supposed to serve. we're going to unite around fixing those problems which have all happened in two years. that's what we're going to focus on. we'll pass the rules package tomorrow and we'll get moving doing what the american people elected us to do. >> shannon: to the point of getting moving forward. the rules pang one member out there tony gonzales who was a supporter of speaker mccarthy who it sounds like he maybe thinks you guys made too many concessions to the holdouts because he says he is a no on those rule votes. you got to get those rules passed to get to business. what do you do if you lost some of the middle or moderate republicans because of the concessions to the holdout? >> we will seethis rules packagd to do iso stop what we saw happen literally 15 days ago where the democrats passed a

$1.7 trillion monstrosity of a bill that spent the american taxpayers' money in all kinds of crazy ways. that's what that -- it's why you have 72 hours to actually review the document. we're going to enforce that rule. the democrats didn't have that rule. so we single subject you can't have a bill where you throw all kinds of other things on that piece of legislation. those are the kind of rules that we think make sense and, also, spreading members out on committees across the conference so you get the diversity of opinion within the republican congress in all the key committees. you will get a better product coming out of committee, which will then go to the floor, gives you a better opportunity to pass the kind of legislation to address the problems that i just talked about. so, that's what the rules package is designed to do. i think we're going to get it passed tomorrow and, like i said, get working for the american people. >> shannon: part of the concern over the rules package is that conservatives push for a lot of things that are aimed at reigning in government spending, capping spending and part of that goes to potentially defense spending. so, the "wall street journal" editorial board says this: the price for speaker mccarthy, it

says the pressure for defense cuts will be great. that's a terrible signal to send adversaries who are increasingly belligerent. is that now the message that the speaker, the g.o.p. is send sending defense spending is on the chopping block because of this deal that was made. >> well, shannon, we got a $32 trillion debt. everything has to be on the table. we're on pace to spend 500, $600 billion in debt payments in just to deal with interest payments on servicing that debt. everything has to be on the table. and, frankly, maybe if we would focus our military spending on the soldiers and not having so many general -- the ratio of general officers to enlisted individuals now is so out of whack from where it used to be in our military. maybe if we would focus on that. helping the troops who do so much of the work tout there for our great country and maybe focus on getting rid of all the woke policies in our military we would have the money to make sure our troops get the pay raise they deserve.

we would have the weapon systems and training that needs to be done so we are ready to deal with our adversaries around the planet. that's what we want to focus on. you got numbers like that, a 30-some trillion dollars debt and interest payments to service that debt where they are headed this year. you had better look at everything. and frankly we better look at the money we send to ukraine as well and say how can we best spend the money to protect america? i think that's what the people elected us to do. that's what we're going to do. >> shannon: i want to talk to you about the president's visit to the border. is he expected there today to see what's going on. first of all, he announced some reforms on thursday. we'll talk about reaction to that he says that from day one he floated a package for immigration reform and the republicans will not come to the table and talk to him. here's what he said when he rolled out new changes on thursday. >> it's clear that immigration is a political issue that extreme republicans are always going to run on. but now they have a choice. they can keep using immigration to try to score political points or help solve the problem.

>> shannon: can you go to the table with the white house with any immigration proposals? where is there common ground because you all agree it's a mess. >> first of all, last time i checked they just controlled all of government literally a couple weeks ago. so for two years they had the house. they had the senate, they had the white house. why in the world didn't they get an immigration solution? joe biden refused to visit the border when they controlled all of government to talk about any type of solution and they have allowed now frankly a situation where we no longer have a border. what they did and he did it from day one. they undid the good policies president trump had in place. right now, the message they've sent to anyone, and you can't fault people for wanting to come here. the message they have sent if you come to our country, there won't be a wall to get over. won't have to wait in mexico while we evaluate your asylum claim and be released to wherever you want to go. that's the message they have sent. don't tell us it's the republican's fault we're are willing to do the work give us the border the ones we had under president trump. doesn't seem like republicans want to put back in place the

very things that were effective in securing our southern border. >> shannon: during the trump years, there was a point where republicans controlled the white house, house, and senate. ant it didn't get fixed then either. >> no. it was fixed then, shannon. the numbers during president trump were so good on the border when he -- we put in place the remain in mexico policy. we put in place the -- we were building the wall and frankly he sent a message to the rest of the world we're going to -- asylum claim is going to be evaluated in mexico before you enter our country. thats what the fundamental things that changed the dynamic on the border. there is a whole different mindset from this administration. that is the fundamental problem. so, until they are willing to work on those kind of policies. and judiciary committee, we will come up with an immigration enforcement bill, we will pass that bill. we will see if the white house wants to work with us. we will see if chuck schumer in the senate wants to work with us. we are determined to pass that out of the judiciary committee which has primary jurisdiction over immigration policies. >> shannon: many things

republicans have talked about potentially investigating hunter biden. withdrawal from afghanistan. fauci, covid, all of that mondaire jones, are a congressman on the other side of the aisle, a democrat, says this: i'm convinced republicans are on kamikaze mission. republican majority will all but guarantee that we take back the house in 2024. how do you answer critics who say there is a lot of important work to get done and they see these investigations as purely political in nature. >> i said this on tuesday when i nominated speaker mccarthy for the office. i said there are three things that have to happen in this congress. first, we have to fix the problems that need fixing. passing legislation to do it. i listed those off. it's the immigration policies in our military. it's energy, it's education. we will pass that legislation. i hope chuck schumer takes it up. i hope joe biden will sign it. i don't think they will. but we will pass it anyway because that's our job. then we will make sure nothing like that $1.7 trillion spending monstrosity that passed 15 days ago. that nothing like that passes

again. we will focus then finally on our oversight duty. we have a duty to get into these agencies and look at how they have been weaponized to go against the very people they are supposed to represent. how they have infringed on first amendment liberties of the american people. and we're going to do it. we're going to do it in a way that's consistent with the constitution, but we're going to do it vigorously, aggressively, because that's our job. the only way you stop that stuff is you first have to expose every single bit of it. we're learning something now from elon musk and what we saw went on between government and these big tech agencies. we're going to get into what is going on at the fbi where we have had 1 whistleblowers come talk to us about the weapons of government there and politicization of the government department. we'll make sure the american people get the truth. i think that helps you win elections. but that's not why we are doing it to answer mondaire jones. we're doing it because it's our job. >> shannon: we will watch as those investigations play out. congressman jim jordan thank you for joining us this morning. always great to see you. >> you bet, thank you you.

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♪ >> shannon: the president heads to the borders today after two years of complaints that is ignoring the growing crisis there it's an issue that has put democrats in a tough political spot. many in the president's own parties now publicly and privately pressing him for more help. joining me now, california democratic congressman ro khanna. congressman, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon. happy new year to you and to your viewers. >> shannon: and to you, as well. let's start with the border. the president is going there today. record-breaking numbers of people showing up illegally. i want to play something that the vice president said just months ago followed by a man who talked to our griff jenkins who admits he came here illegally. >> the border is secure. >> it's open, not closed. the border is open. everybody believes that the border is open. it's open because we enter. we come in free. no problem. >> griff: but it's open for you

to come illegally, right? >> illegally, yes, that's true. >> shannon: nearly 2.4 million people in the last fiscal year came to the southern border illegally not including the got-aways as we call them. arguably influenced by this message as that man was that they can actually come here and get across the border. does the white house now own this. >> shannon, there's no doubt that there is a problem at the border. president biden recognizes it. and it's common sense. we need to secure the border but also have the humanity. you mentioned very powerfully about jesus and joseph and mary and their journey where they escaped king her rod from prosecution. you have compared that ukrainian refugees and the obligation that we have to mothers fleeing with their kids' lives are at stake. and we as a nation need to have an obligation to people to are refugees to file for asylum. and we also need a secure border. i wish we could come together on that. >> shannon: and you bring up to point of compassion.

i think america is a very compassionate people. and we are built on immigration. but there are real concerns about whether it's compassionate to encourage people, even if it is indirectly to come here when we have the highest number of people who died at the border trying to pass in the last fiscal year than we have ever seen. we know women and children are raped. they are trafficked. i mean, this creates a situation that is not safe or compassionate for people. >> >> well, shannon i know you have that compassion because i have read your excellent writing on it, and i guess what the president now is saying and i hope we can get some bipartisan consensus on this is we need to distinguish mean people coming here for economic reasons and people really fleeing persecution. people need file this application online so that before they come. now, what congress needs to do is provide the resources for people to process the asylum claims for the border security. that is something that congress has to do. people say is it going to cost

money? yes, it's going to cost money. but that's what we need to do to secure our border and be compassionate. >> the president made some changes and announcements on thursday about some of the changes to seeking asylum and how this is going to be processed in certain countries will have more opportunity for people to come. buff they have to stay in their home country and go through the process. he has taken a lot of heat from the right but now the left some of them were notn thursday. democratic senator bob menendez's office said it was disastrous and inhumane. so one of those things is title 42, which has been used as covid emergency to turn people away. this administration has argued both for and against it. it's tied up in court. the supreme court will hear a case on it in march. in the meantime, justice gorsuch wrote a dissent against keeping title 42 in place and said this the current border crisis is not a covid crisis and courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one administration only because elected # officials have failed

to address a different emergency. so how can this administration now justify using policies that it absolutely ripped the last administration apart for using? >> i agree with justice gorsuch. i don't think we should be making the excuse that peoplcov. i mean, that may have been the case a year and a half ago. it's certainly not the case now. i think every person who has a legitimate asylum claim should be able to make that claim. but, we should make sure that it's legitimate. it's just not economic reasons. that is why it's actually congress that needs to act, at the border. to have more border enforcement but also have more people who can process these claims. the president is saying let's try to get as many people doing these claims online. obviously, as a representative from silicon valley, i think if we could get people making these applications before they make that treacherous journey that would be an improvement. >> shannon: you know it's a very

small percentage actually granted asylum claims here. we are potentially talking about millions of people coming to the border. some of them coached by coyotes and cartels and smugglers and traffickers to say things about asylum but ultimately, probably millions of them will be turned away. we are talking about a small percentage, what do you say about those others who are showing up, coming across the border and this administration has allowed nearly 4.3 million of those to happen in its first two years? >> well, most of them, many as you know are being turned away. yes they are being apprehended. some get away. but many of them are then being sent back if they are here not through the legal process. the second point is that we need also comprehensive immigration reform. we passed it in the house where we said if people are coming here to do agriculture work, there should be a system where they could come across the border legally. they're not breaking property. they are not risking their lives. they don't automatically become citizens. they have a status. and then they can figure out

what -- whether to go back or or whether to stay in the country. why can't we get common sense reform like that. that's something originally george w. bush floated. so we need a system for those who want to come to america for economic reasons, for bettering their lives, contributes to our economy, for them to do that in a way that is legal. we don't have that right now because we haven't passed comprehensive immigration reform. >> shannon: doesn't seem like a lot of appetite to get that done or do any heavy lift on any major pieces of legislation when it comes to immigration. you have been there and watched repeatedly the last few days to get to a new house speaker as republicans worked this out. at one point there was a conversation, at least you were quoted as having, are and you said on our air, even. you could have been part of a compromise candidate if there was the right person to come together to get a speaker in place. one of the things you said was a sticking point though you didn't want any part of an agreement that would limit the ability to raise the debt ceiling. the "new york times" reporting on this saturday said this: the

federal government spends far more money each year than it receives in revenues producing a budget deficit that is projected to average in excess of a trillion dollars a year for the next decade. now, congressman, you and i could never get away with hand lick our books that way. why should congress? >> look, the deficit of $32 trillion an issue? of course. there are places i may actually agree with republicans on the fed's cut. i think it's absorb that we are going to have a trillion dollars definite budget. and if they are going to look at that and make certain cuts then let's have that conversation. but the debt ceiling is a different issue. if, shannon, you and i owed people money, we wouldn't suddenly say too bad, we're not going to pay our debts. we pay our debts. and that's all the debt ceiling is about. are we going to pay our debts? does the united states of america's word matter? we should pay our debts, we should increase the debt ceiling and then let's have the debate about where you want to cut

spending. don't make the united states default on our word. >> shannon: you and i can't print money either. that's the difference in our budgets. too. i want to quickly before we go because you have been outspoken voice on tech issues. only one of the democrats who came up in the twitter releases actually sent an email in at one point we have free speech concerns at least raised here in washington suppression of the hunter biden laptop story. more revelations now. missouri has a case going where they say that the white house, the biden administration was responsible in some way. their allegation for suppressing the first amendment rights of people by reaching out directly and coordinating with twitter about messages they didn't agree with and wanting to see those. blunted or taken down. the missouri's attorney general's office tweeted yesterday we now have hard evidence that biden administration colluded with social media companies to censor delivering viewpoints. have you raised these points in the past does the white house owe americans an explanation? >> i think there should be full transparency. i believe that these social media platforms should have all

viewpoints, even viewpoints i disagree with. that's what i wrote to twitter in private email correspondence that was then leaks. but there needs to be transparency not just about the biden administration but also what previous administrations have done. but, shannon, i do want to say something. i believe most people in the fbi, most people in law enforcement, most people in the cia do an incredible job to keep our country safe. and i do not want to see the politicization or the disparagement of people who are risking their lives, literally, to keep us safe. and i really hope this congress doesn't do that. >> shannon: i agree, as most americans do, as most folks we owe though, folks on the front lines vast majority very honorable. congressman, thank you very much for your time i great to chat with you today. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: up next, we bring in our sunday group on the role president trump played in the house leadership vote and what it would mean for his 2024 run. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ today.

he will not have the votes tomorrow. and he will not have thet year. >> shannon: that was florida republican congressman matt gaetz on friday predicting kevin mccarthy would not be the next

speaker of the house but just several hours later mccarthy did get the votes. it is time now to see what our sunday group thinks. axios reporter josh kraushaar former utah congressman jason chaffetz; former john delaney, and fox news meteorologist janice dean author of the brand new book "i am the storm." which is about people fighting against the odds out january 17th. welcome, everybody. a couple members of congress, former members here i'm very interested to hear what you thought about what played out this week. opinion piece said the good argument for voting democrat. the never kevin rebels have opposed him have made it painfully apparent that no one will be able to impose and enforce the kind of discipline that pelosi maintained on the democratic side. jason? >> hallelujah, that's a good thing. the way pelosi ran the house was awful. members couldn't offer amendments. we didn't get single issue bills. the appropriations process as it act, where you loo2 1974 budge

individual appropriations, that never happened. so, i think people on both sides of the aisle are actually going to look back at this and say hallelujah. these people stood up so that we could have a more, normal pecking order of seniority, can actually participate in the process. those are all really good things. >> shannon: i mean, john, what do you think? we are talking about things aimed at balancing the budget and things, as broader themes sound good. is there anything in the new rules package or deal that was made that you think is beneficial? >> no. i think. >> shannon: none? >> well, i'm sure there's some things. but, when you think about what the country went through to get here, i think the country will be looking back and wishing speaker pelosi were still running the house. >> shannon: jason? >> think about what happened this past week. a very small group of people, extremists in the republican caucus, basically put theirself interest ahead of the good of the congress and good of the country. you know, the constitutional

democracy premised on this notion majority rule, minority has rights. they seem to think a small minority should rule. and that's a big problem. it shouldn't surprise us. the same group of people for years has been questioning facts, questioning elections. questioning this notion of expertise and to some extent questioning the validity of our most important institutions. the congress of the united states, even with its flaws is the most extraordinary institution in democracy ever created. >> shannon: isn't that what we watched this week. >> care and attention than was shown this week. >> it showed this week that it works. they will found a way. making the sausage. we just got a front row seat this time. >> these people voted with the democrats. the democrats were voting the same way. so,. >> about what? >> voting against speaker mccarthy. and so, you're going to argue that the rules package is so bad. what's wrong with single subject issues? what's wrong with a 72-hour rule

to review a bill? you and i had bills coming to the floor of the house. we had hours to review thousands of pages. it was an absolute joke. >> it's not a question of whether individual changes that were made to the rule package. i'm sure you and i could come up with 10 more changes to the rule package we think would be great. the question is do you hold the congress of the united states hostage. >> shannon: it was the methodology. >> members of congress from actually being members of congress. providing services to their constituents. making the united states look like a joke on the world stage. do you do that for some small, technical changes just so you can get on television and talk about it? >> >> but you can't disparage their character and say this is. they did it to better the way congress works. every member has an opportunity to participate. >> shannon: how about members and non-congress members? >> tv show in the making right here. >> shannon: janice, sitting at home watching, if you are in your jammies, how did this look to you as somebody -- you're not

inside the beltway and committee votes and subcommittee chairs and all that stuff. >> i have to give a shout-out to jason chaffetz last week how this was all going down with the speakership. and it is fascinating. i'm just glad we are moving forward. we can argue all we want. but we want them to start working for us. and i have been waiting a very long time. i have had officials say to me that now that things are back on track, we're going to start to have hearings. important ones that are important to the american people, especially to my family. i have testified many times about the covid crisis that happened in new york. one of the worst prepared cities and i believe one of the worst governors to govern over it people during the covid crisis. andrew cuomo was a disgrace. he put thousands of covid positive patients into nursing homes. something that we don't talk enough about. my family included was affected by. this and i need to see why that happened. we still don't know. it wasn't just andrew cuomo. it was several state governors

that put thousands of covid-positive patients. and the one thing we knew is that the most vulnerable people were the elderly. and we still don't know why. and we need those hearings to start to find out where covid came from. and the results of some of those dangerous, deadly decisions made by not only state governors but also our federal government as well. >> shannon: and a number of members have promised that they are going to dig into those things. >> they have to. >> shannon: see if those hearings play out. it's interesting, because earlier in the week, josh, the former president had called around and said all right, it's time. let's get this over with make kevin the speaker. let's get it done. and no votes moved until this very nasty scene on friday night where it was really getting potentially physical. phone with him on it being passed around to people. political playbook reports it this way. trump angrily told the group to knock it off according to the person familiar with the conversations arguing the televised mayhem was making him look bad. quote, he rips them a new blank, the person said. can you just fill in the blank

at home. but what does this say about him for '24? him didn't work. now he is being credited wits th line. >> i don't think trump elected speaker. there is an issue about the party brand and who represents the party. i mean, it looked like the jerry springer show house floor at 1:30 in the morning until mccarthy finally got those final votes to become speaker. i think the issue for republicans and for mccarthy in particular is, yes, it's good to open up the house floor. it's good to have transparency. it's good to have the measures that jason is talking about. but, when you have such a narrow republican majority, you need a strong leader. and, boy, if these rebels, if these outliers can cause so much grief in the first week just to elect a speaker. got to pass a budget. might have to raise the debt ceiling. >> shannon: got to get the rules done. >> rules package coming up early next week. that is going to be really, really hard to do if you don't have a strong hand and a lot of power in the speakership.

>> shannon: well, likes a i said you have already got congressman tony gonzales won't vote for the rules package because he thinks it went too far to the right. panel, do not go anywhere. stick around. up next, americans watched monday night football come to a halt this week when player damar hamlin collapsed on the field. the very latest on his condition and the changes to this week's playoff schedule now. ♪

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officially in charge. we're back now with the panel. okay. so the president goes down there today. he's long taken heat from the right but now the left is not happy about some of the policies he rolled out thursday. aclu director of border strategies jonathan baker says this the plan the president announced further ties his administration to the poisonous anti-immigrant policies of the trump era instead of restoring fair access to asylum protections. so, josh now he has got to deal with the other side of this debate. >> i find it remarkable that this is the first time as president that joe biden has actually been to the border. the first week of 2023 he realizes he needs to moderate on immigration and border security. i don't know if this is going to be more than a photo op. or if there's actually going to be a lot more policies that show that this administration is going to get tougher on border security. but this is a political move they realize heading into a possible re-election campaign that they're weak. it's a big vulnerability. democrats in these midterms in

key races running away from the biden white house on immigration. >> this is a move to check a box. but i'm skeptical that there is actually going to be an ability for democrats to unite the progressives and moderates on border security. >> shannon: first thing the president has to do is have these meetings in mexico this week. a lot of what he proposes their cooperation on enforcement. john, how do you think those meetings will go this week? >> i think the meetings will go well. i think what's really important in debate is comprehensive immigration reform. 2015 when i was in the house with jason, we were very close to getting comprehensive immigration reform passed. it had passed on a bipartisan basis, bipartisan in the u.s. senate. president obama was going to sign it into law and it never got a vote in the house. why? because the motion to vacate by the way was used at that moment to block it. and that's what we need. we need more money on our border. we need more money for those who are in our country and playing by the rules and playing by the laws.

and we need to deal with the dreamers and other aspects of our immigration system, including getting more workers here to hopefully alleviate the situation with inflation. that's what the focus has to be. i'm sure the president will be talking about that. but i fully expect his visit to go well. including his visit with leaders. >> shannon: a lot of those top line things, jason, are things on both sides of the aisle say they can agree. to say but they can never get the guts of it done. >> i'm glad the president is going down there. first time in his 50 years since he has been in government to actually get down there. but i have got to tell you, i'm very frustrated by this because, you know, democrats had the house and senate and the presidency and it is malpractice the idea that they never even had a hearing on their. they need to enforce the current law. get rid of the rewards and incentives. they got to lock that border down. they're not doing any of that right now. don't tell me you need comprehensive immigration reform. enforce the current law that's currently on the books. if you want to apply for asylum, go to a port of entry. if you don't, then, guess what?

you're supposed to be detained, fined, incarcerated and deported. that's the current law. and the president is not doing that. >> asylum is the current law. and a lot of republicans in congress don't want it to be the law. >> this is not a single republican that said we should get rid of asylum but you have to go to a port of entry. if you don't go to a port of entry and don't do what the drug cartels in control and stop having the white house spokesperson and the secretary of homeland security saying that border is closed. it is not. it is wide open. >> i think the president's proposal will actually do a good job differentiating people who are actually seeking asylum and people who are actually just coming here for economic opportunity which is what we have to do. we haven't updated our immigration system in decades. >> shannon: we haven't. >> it is key. it's like a business deal. a successful business deal everyone feels a little bad when it's done. >> shannon: that's not good but as we have talked about. regardless of which party is controlling all three of those things, it has not gotten done. i want to turn to something

happy. because i think we can all agree that we are all pulling for damar hamlin and his recovery. i want to read something his tweet that he actually put out saturday as we hear he is making this remarkable recovery. he says putting love into the world comes back three times as much. thankful for everyone who has reached out and prayed this will make me stronger on the road to recovery. keep praying for me. janice? >> janice: oh my gosh, what a story. i'm so glad that he's doing well, he's getting better. it brought the whole country together. obviously, the nfl's worst nightmare seeing an almost death happen on live tv in front of millions of folks. we have to be reminded that this sport is still very, very dangerous. on the other side of this, the people that came together thoughts and prayers were actually welcomed. we put goodness into the atmosphere. and i'm just so grateful that he is doing well and what can you say? that family is just beautiful and he's done such great things with his career and hills life. we all want the best for him. >> shannon: we do. i spent seven years covering a

case went all the way to the supreme court about a coach who lost his job, a high school coach who lost his job praying on the high school field by himself. let's go ahead and pray this week. opinion piece how damar hamlin drove a nation to pray. the idea that prayer is improper at big time sporting events was forgotten on monday night. suddenly prayer, the ancient activity speaking to god he could respond was everywhere. >> in divided and cynical times. it was heart-warming to see everyone from the football community for everyone rooting to demarch hamlin t damar hamlis recovery. talking to teammates facetime. wanted to know the results of the game when he woke up. it's a remarkable story and also credit to the bills' trainer who rushed within seconds of seeing what happened. >> janice: all those unsung heroes. >> may have saved his life. >> shannon: real quickly i want to put up this video this is another prayer that happened

this week. this was actually on the house floor on friday when they were going in to pass a dozen votes for speakership. greg "studio by" with the house chaplain and others. we got to go but a quick comment from either of you or both of you. >> jason: this is one thing we actually agree on. >> never under estimate the power of prayer. >> amen. >> i was in the congressional prayer group and you were, too. >> yep. >> it's a wonderful group in the congress. >> shannon: apparently it worked because we got a speaker after that. thank you, panel see you next sunday. best selling book that urges us to embrace virtues, things like honesty and courage. big update 30 years later. ♪ fun dining: the correct answer to starter or entree is who gives a shrimp, when you get both. introducing new dockside duos. get an individual-size starter and entree for just $15.99. welcome to fun dining.

>> shannon: former education secretary bill bennett is marking 30 years since he wrote his best-selling book the book of virtues to focus on things on lessons like courage, compassion and honesty. in a new edition, bill and his wife elaine visit those lessons and share new stories. i sat down with them days ago to discuss teaching character world a whole lot since 1993. >> so, 30 years out from the book of virtues, compassion, loyalty, self-discipline, how are we doing 30 years later? >> well, we -- i think we still need them. these are the virtues and you can make the argument we need them even more. and the temptation now, i think, is even stronger amongst some

parents, grandparents to say this is a whole new world. i don't know how to do this. but we can't do that. we can't surrender that. >> shannon: we have all these polls to disconnect us, whether the screens or the anonymity of hiding behind them. covid workplaces and their schools and communities and houses of worship. are their hopeful ways that we can reconnect that you see these virtues can come back to life? >> i think there are. and we are counting on there being hopeful ways because we must reconnect. if we are going to raise children to carry on our beliefs and our society and raise good, moral beings, we need to pay attention. and we think this book is helpful in paying attention. it's a resource. and we think it's something parents can turn to when they see a teachable moment.

>> shannon: how do you think the grown ups are doing how do you have conversations and view example adults make things work. >> that's one of the things we do in the book is talk about people who are great, who are worth emulating. one of the news story is a rick la score. a name forgotten by a lot. head of security for goldman sachs on 9/11. and he had marched those goldman sachs brokers up and down those stairs 100 times. and they really hated him for doing it. they got out. they lost only 13 people, unlike some of the other companies. >> shannon: amazing. >> that's a story worth telling. a man worth emulating. >> shannon: have we lost that we think about a time looked up to heroes. have we lost a feel for that in modern society? >> i don't think so. but we need to be reminded of it. because we don't see a lot of it. and we're not privy to it. we're not told about it.

>> young people do want heroes. and sometimes the heroes they choose are perhaps not the best, you know, examples of virtue. >> we have a chapter in the book on faith. and we think faith guides most people in their quest for morality and guides their morality. we certainly are seeing a fleeing from the religious institutions. and that can't be good. >> shannon: what do you say to those who say it's outdated. it's old fashioned. you don't have to have faith. you don't need to be consumed with compassion for someone else. you look out for yourself and it's a different world now? >> one of the things we know is that virtues are steadfast. i think, no matter what your creed, what your ethnicity, what your gender is, we all know that honesty is a virtue. we all know compassion is a virtue. we all know that hard work is a

virtue. friendship, the kinds of things that we want to grow up as moral, human beings. and i think there is an interest in becoming morally literate again. >> shannon: i think back on very dark chapters in our country's history. but we have rebuilt and kind of mended some of those wounds and relationships and found ways to work together. are you hopeful that we are headed in that direction again or could be? >> i think i'm most worried about the balkanization of the country. the blue-red divide is very serious. we would submit, elaine and i would agree this book is for the blue and red. it's not a political book. it's not a book of conservative virtues the virtues are the virtues and responsibility and friendship and work and faith. but that blue-red divide is problematic. it's a real issue. and we have to address it. >> and you talk about the ball

cannization and some people will say the tribalism that people have retreated into blue corner and red corner. but you say the idea of virtue is not political. it is. >> bill: right. >> shannon: rising above that the loyalty, the friendship, the compassion for people, for strangers. the self-responsibility. so it's not political. >> right. >> and, you know, invite a blue person over to your dinner party or invite a red person. we have done it. and. >> always do it. >> we sometimes gritted our teeth and sometimes, you know, had a trial of it. >> we can leisure from each other. >> we can learn. >> shannon: red and blue dinners, caring about people regardless of which side they are on. as americans, it seems like there is a lot there in our history to show we are capable of it. >> bill: when you teach, you don't ask if you are blue or red. you don't know when you are teaching math it isn't relevant. also, when you are teaching these ideas. the ideas of the virtues, it's not a matter of blue and red.

there are things deeper and more important than politics. >> shannon: sounds like, elaine, what you see young people are listening. >> young people are listening. i never met a student who cannot learn or change and who does not respond after a while to possible roll models, encouragement, joy, finding what is joyful in the world, as well as what is truthful in the world. so i am an optimist. >> shannon: we're optimists as well. a fantastic book and also, janice, yours is out january 17th i am the story. story of people rising to the challenge. congrats on that. >> janice: thank you. >> shannon: thank you panel for being with us today. that's it for us today.

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