>> shannon: i'm shannon breen. the u.s. makes a major move of support as the war in ukraine nears one year. back home, shocking video of a police beating igniting calls for justice. demonstrators take to the streets in multiple cities, upset over disturbing footage of the fatal beating of a black man by police in memphis. >> tyre nichols! >> shannon: the death reopening wounds of similar killings across the country. we will have a live report from tennessee. then the war on ukraine intensifies, as more russian shelling targets major cities, killing civilians. the u.s. now promising ukraine new equipment it has been

pleading for. >> the united states will be sending 31 abram tanks to ukraine. >> shannon: but when they will arrive is still a big question. >> it's gonna take many month befores the tanks get there. >> shannon: we'll sit down with michael mccall, chairman of the house foreign affairs committee and democratic congressman adam smith, ranking member of the house arms services committee to discuss u.s. help for ukraine as the war nears the one year mark. then -- >> the administration is stonewalling congress on the classified documents. >> shannon: congressional republicans and democrats say they're in the dark on what exactly was in those classified documents discovered in biden and trump's homes. our fox news sunday legal panel will break down the fight between the doj and capitol hill over what was found, and -- >> the gavel is yours! >> shannon: elected as rnc chair woman for her fourth consecutive term. we'll ask our sunday panel about what it means for the gop

election heading into 2024. plus, from staffer to senator, my conversation with katie brick of alabama. all that right now on fox news sunday. hello from fox news in washington. breaking this weekend, there are new calls for justice, as americans collectively take in video of an appalling police encounter in memphis. it shows the brutal beating of 29-year-old tyre nichols at the hands of police. nichols later died of those injuries. the white house, lawmaker, law enforcement leaders across the u.s. all expressing outrage. and there are new concerns this morning about the drawn out war in ukraine. the u.s. has agreed to send advanced tanks to the front lines, but could take up to a year for them to actually get there. we've got a lot to cover this morning. in a moment michael mccall and democratic congressman adam smith join us live to discuss. we begin with team coverage this

morn. lucas tomlinson live at the white house on the decision to ramp up military aid to ukraine and the timeline about it actually getting there. but first tot charles watson live in memphis, where the community is reeling. we should note some of the images in his report are very troubling. hello, charles. >> reporter: hey, good morning, shannon. five former memphis police officers are set to be arraigned on february 17th after being charged with second degree murder in the death of 29-year-old tyre nichols. brutal body cam video shows officers savagely beating nichols during a january 7 traffic stop. in a moment we will show video of that confrontation. we want to warn viewers it is disturbing. but first we are now starting to hear from lawyers representing several of those officers. at least two of the attorneys say their clients will plead not guilty. an attorney who represents former officer desmond mills jr. urged patience, saying they are, quote, confident that the questions of whether desmond

crossed the line that others crossed and whether he committed the crimes charged will be answer with a resounding no. on the video shared by city of memphis, you see officers aggressively yank nichols from his car and tase him before they are later seen relentlessly kicking, punching and pepper spraying nichols after he runs away from their initial encounter. it would take more than 20 minutes for nichols to receive medical attention as he sat bloody, less than 200 yards from his mother's home who he had been calling for help. the 29-year-old died three days later. >> for a mother to know that their child was calling them in their need and i wasn't there for him, do you know how i feel right now? because i wasn't there for my son. >> reporter: nichols' family has called for peaceful demonstrations, and that has largely been the case, as protesters take to the streets here in memphis and cities

around the country, demanding justice for tyre. the district attorney announced charges thursday and defense attorney phil holloway, who was not associated with this case, says what happened is indefensible. >> these guys are going to prison, every one of them. they probably will spend the rest of their lives in prison. >> reporter: at least some of the officers were part of the memphis police department's scorpion unit. that task force has been permanently deactivated. a funeral service is set for nichols wednesday with reverend al sharpton expected to deliver the eulogy. shannon? >> shannon: charles, thank you very much. and we did a deep dive into that tape and what happens next. our legal panel just minutes away. now let's go te offered his con directly to the nichols family and said the image of america on the world stage is at stake.

>> don't be afraid to ask for help. >> reporter: the president also saying in a statement he is outraged and this is a reminder of, quote, the profound fear and trauma, the pain and exhaustion that black and brown americans experience every single day. republican senator tim scott, who has championed some police reforms, called the attack vile saying, quote, let it serve as a call to action for every lawmaker in our nation. biden this week also making a move on ukraine, finally relenting to give them american m182 abrams tanks as russia's invasion of ukraine nears the one year mark, u.s. officials privately say neither side is winning, and british intelligence shows the front lines have not significantly changed in six months. the hope is u.s. tanks will help ukraine to break through the miles of trenches dug by russian

forces. but officials say the u.s. tanks won't arrive for many months. other european allies will send them ss escalation. president biden says that's not true. >> it is not an offensive threat to russia. >> reporter: a former member of the trump administration and a former general saying the losses nearly one year in are staggering. >> the casualties on both sides are enormous. when we were in there, we were told the ukraine had lost about 100,000 soldiers killed. that's massive. and the russians have probably lost about 150,000 killed or up to 200,000. >> reporter: on capitol hill, more democratic lawmakers say they're frustrated with the white house handling of classified information. former vice president mike pence said he found some as well in his home in indiana and tells fox's rich edson he takes full responsibility. shannon? >> shannon: lucas tomlinson, thank you very much. joining us now chairman of the house foreign affairs committee congressman michael mccall.

welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> shannon: i want to start with this report of a u.s. general, a top general, who is making a comment about a potential war with china in 2025. get your reaction to this. nbc news is citing a memo to his officers with this quote. they say, i hope i am wrong, he says to them. my gut tells me we'll fight in 2025. that's being met with a lot of different reactions and skepticism. this is attributed to the opinion of one man. what do you make of that and how do you think that's going to be received? >> i hope he's wrong as well. i think he's right though, unfortunately. china is mounting -- >> shannon: actual war? >> i think china's looking at reunification of taiwan, right? that's how they call it. there are several ways to do that. the first one is to influence the election that will take place a year from today. the president's party is running for re-election. china is hitting them hard. if they succeed in that effort, like hong kong, without a shot fired, but if they don't win in

that one, they are gonna look at a military invasion. we have to be prepared for this. it could happen, i think as long as biden is in office, projecting weakness, as he did with afghanistan that led to putin invading ukraine, that the odds are very high we could see a conflict with china and taiwan and the india pacific. this goes back to my father's war, world war ii. >> shannon: those things are all interconnected. let's talk about ukraine and these tanks that we're sending over. you have said there's going to be a winter offensive by russia, these tanks are needed. but this is what the pentagon said about when they may actually get there. >> we just don't have these tanks available in excess in our u.s. stocks, which is why it is going to take months to transfer these m1a2 abrams to ukraine. >> shannon: okay. so there's another estimate that's up to a year for them to

get there. it doesn't help ukraine in the short term. do you worry about what that tells actors like china about our ability to be ready? >> the more deterrent against china. with respect to the tanks, all that was necessary is the united states to give the signal that we're going to do this to unleash the tanks that are in germany and finland and the netherlands. but ten other countries that needed permission to put their tanks in. they can be put in tomorrow and today. the abram tanks need more logistic supply, training. the key was to commit abrams tanks to unleash the lepers. they are going to go in almost immediately. what's important, shannon, is that putin has changed his new general. took the butcher out, new general in to do an offensive in the winter/spring. now ukraine needs the resources to do a counter offensive

against russia. >> shannon: this talk about our ability to send them arms raises questions about our military production and capability. there's a new study sounding alarm about that. wall street journal quotes, says, the protracted conflict exposed to tra taoepblgic peril facing the u.s. as weapons inventory fall to a low level and defense companies aren't equipped to replenish them rapidly. this goes back to your issue with china as well. the study says we could run out of precision missiles in less than a week if we get into a conflict with taiwan. that's a shocking assessment. do you agree with it and how worried are you about that? >> very. our industrial defense base is broken. i sign off on all foreign military weapon sales. three years ago, they have yet to go into taiwan. we need that deterrent. if we don't have the weapons, that's critical for deterrents. i would say that also, you know, one-third of the supplemental has gone into our ability to replenish our stock piles and

have modernized our defense a third of that to make new weapons and a third to ukraine. it's important to know the nato eastern flank has put the russian military in the ukraine as we back fill nato to modernize their military. >> shannon: okay. let's talk about the debt ceiling because the defense spending is a big chunk of that and part of that conversation. we're gonna talk with your colleague adam smith in just a minute. here's what he said about the gop plan for dealing with the debt ceiling. >> the real worry however is the approach that the radical maga extremists in the republican caucus want to take and mccarthy is willing to go along with, which is to shut down the government. >> shannon: he talked about not passing a short term funding measure, refusing to raise the debt ceiling triggering a fiscal crisis. how do you respond? >> i don't think we'll see a shutdown. mccarthy, he's going to meet with the president. wants a reasonable debt ceiling to counter, you know,

irresponsible government spending. i agree with that in this sense that i will not sit back and watch our defense being cut at such a dangerous time in our history. i haven't seen anything like this, shannon, since world war ii, my dad's war. you have one dictator, largest invasion in europe since world war ii. the other dictator threatening the pacific. the greatest generation liberated. and now these two and iran and north korea are trying to redraw the maps that the conference brought to us. >> shannon: we'll talk more with congressman smith about that coming up. but i also want to make sure to touch on the classified documents. former vice president pence is the newest to come forward and say we've discovered something. there was a briefing for senators this week with the director of national intelligence. they came out in a bipartisan way, very frustrated and angry about what they weren't able to see. here's what senator tom cotton said after the briefing. >> until the administration stops stonewalling congress, there will be pain as a

consequence. >> shannon: so he said he's going to shut down some senate business, with hold judicial nominees, block them. do you think that's the right approach? what role of oversight should congress have with these documents? >> i agree with tom cotton. we are a separate branch of government. article i, the first article in the constitution, in this administration has not shared these classified documents with the intelligence committee. i had access to those as well. i haven't seen anything. to put all this in the proper context, first of all, i don't thinks people taking classified documents home. if i did that, i'd be prosecuted. but having said that, where's the archivists through all this? why isn't he or she in the room when the president, vice president are packing their boxes up? how did this happen? but more importantly in the biden center, $30 million from china. biden center being stood up. i have a lot of questions. i sent a letter to secretary blanken, who was the manager of

that. the shadow government waiting. did they have access to these documents? what were in the documents? did they meet with foreign nation adversary actors from china? we don't know. but that's a very serious allegation that i think the american people deserve to know what happened. >> shannon: let us kno >> shannon: chairman, thank you for joining us again. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: joining me now democrat adam smith. congressman, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you. >> shannon: all right. i want to start again where i started with the chairman on this issue of a u.s. general stating we could be at war or in some type of conflict with china in 2025. you heard the chairman say he thinks that's possible. >> well, i mean, i think anything is possible. i'm really worried when anyone starts talking about war with china being inevitable. i want to be completely clear. it's not only not inevitable, it is highly unlikely. we have a very dangerous

situation in china, but i think generals need to be very cautious about saying we're going to war. their job is to prepare for a wide range of events. we shouldn't be out there telling the world that we're going to war with china most importantly because we're not. we have interests. we have to be in a position to deter china. war is not inevitable. that's a very dangerous situation that we need to be prepared for, but i'm fully confidence we can avoid that conflict if we take the right approach. >> shannon: this administration has been very clear that it wants to tell graph we are not in conflict directly with russia. they are saying the sending of tanks says we're directly involved. andy biggs tweeted about the tanks going saying, sending 31 tanks to ukraine brings us closer to a major world war and puts american soldiers in harms way. you can bet we'll be sending american troops to ukraine to operate these tanks. how worried are you about that possibility? >> well, congressman biggs has literally no idea what he's

talking about. there will be no u.s. service men operating these tanks in ukraine. that's sort of fear mongering and does not help us in terms of meeting our objectives in ukraine. no u.s. service people are going to be in ukraine. i think president biden has struck the right balance here. we are going to defend and support ukraine to the greatest extent possible to make sure that ukraine continues to be a sovereign democratic state and that russia is stopped in their ambition to overtake them. but we are not going to have the u.s. or nato get in direct conflict with russia. and that is going to continue to be the case. we're going to provide these tanks to ukraine. ukraine is going to operate them. we are not, repeat not, going to war with russia. >> shannon: how worried are you about this issue of our military supplies being depleted and our ability to turn this around, whether it's for ukraine, whether it's about a conflict with china or anywhere else in the world? you heard the study that we could be out of critical arments

within a week of a war with china. >> i agree with chairman mccall. this is a huge problem. we don't have the industrial base. we don't have the ability to ramp up that industrial base. what industry will tell you is that the reason that they don't have the ability to make as many weapons as we now need is because they don't want to make that major investment without what they refer to as a demand signal, without knowing that we're going to buy them. despite what we heard this morning, predicting future conflict is more difficult than it looks.end a ton of to surge when we need it, which means we desperately need to increase our manufacturing base for key weapons systems. i think congressman mccall is absolutely right. i know it's a huge priority for chairman rogers, who is now the chairman of the arm services committee, my partner on that committee. it's a huge priority to increase that production capacity for all of the reasons you've laid out. >> shannon: and again, that is tied to defense spending, to the

debt ceiling. you said there needs to be robust conversation about how we're spending our money and how we handle this moving forward. the white house, the president said absolutely zero negotiations. they want a clean vote and that's it. but this is what the president said when he was vice president back in 2011 about people who won't negotiate over the debt ceiling. >> how do you explain the fact that grown men and women are unwilling to budge up until now and still some of them are still unwilling to budge by taking an absolute position, my way or no way. that's not governing. that's no way to govern. you can't govern that way. >> shannon: he says that's not governing. so why, essentially play this game now? is it to blame the gop? >> here's the problem. hakeem jeffreys put this quite well. the democrats position right now is we have incurred the debts. we have to raise the debt ceiling to pay those debts.

we shouldn't be negotiating over whether or not we should pay our bills. that's our position. you can argue with that. personally, i think we need a clearer fiscal plan for the future as well. i would applaud an effort to get there. but what the republicans have not done, and this is what congressman jefferies said. they haven't put a plan on the table. you don't like the idea that we're just gonna raise the debt ceiling. we hear all these vague statements about how we need to cut spending. what needs to happen right now is if the republicans don't want to raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending. obviously, they don't want to raise revenue. put a plan on the table. what are you gonna cut? okay? >> shannon: how do you put a plan on the table if you have an administration saying we won't even discuss this with you when years ago they said that's not governing? >> that's not hard. you put the plan on the table and then you do what you're doing right now. you say, we have a plan. you're refusing to talk about it. but right now the republicans don't have a plan. their plan, as led by the extremists in their party, is to

complain about spending, not raise the debt ceiling, but not actually offer a plan that says, this is what we're going to cut. that's what needs to happen right now. if the republicans believe in this, give us an option, then we can argue about it. but right now they haven't even put a plan on the table. they're just saying they don't want to raise the debt ceiling. i guess they would like us to put the plan on the table. >> shannon: there has to be a table for everybody to sit at, but right now there isn't one. >> there is. that's not what's true. >> shannon: the white house says no negotiations, what does that mean? >> democrats have a position. our position is raise the debt ceiling, pay the bills. that's our position. we are not going to negotiate with ourselves, okay? that's our position. republicans want to put something on the table and say, this is what we want to cut, well then we can have a conversation. but that's where we're at in the negotiation. okay? we got to see a plan. we don't have anything to negotiate about. >> shannon: quickly i want to ask you. you served on the intel committee.

you have spent a life time dealing with classified documents. can you give us a sense for how you handled classified documents and do you see a scenario in which these ended up in people situation in the executive branch than legislative branch. how i handle classified information is, i go to the classified information. we go into a skip. i go to the pentagon, to the white house. i don't have any classified information because in congress -- well, we have secure sets but they are not in our offices. in the executive branch, they have classified information in a number of different places. it has been handled poorly. that much is clear. we need to seriously look at how it is that this information has got out into different places. i hope we can avoid any part tanship on this because there's hay on everybody's face in this situation. we should look into how that document has gotten there. the specific problem senator cotton has is, because the department of justice is investigating this, they're not sharing that information with

congress. i don't agree with blocking appointments to get this done, but absolutely, the justice department needs to share with the legislative branch, co-equal branch of government. they need to show us what they got. out of mar a lago, out of president biden, vice president pence. they need to show us the documents so we can be better informed. >> shannon: bipartisan push back on the idea that the doj can't share these documents. that's clearly a fight between the two branches. congressman smith, thank you for speaking to us and for being with us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: up next, five fired memphis police officers have been charged with the murder of tyre nichols, and new body camera footage has been released. it shows the horrific arrest. we're going to bring a panel of legal experts and a former law enforcement officer himself on what happens next now that there are multiple investigations under way.

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>> shannon: the city of memphis and the nation coming to grips with video showing five now former police officers severely beating tyre nichols. investigators are still figuring out exactly how this whole thing unfolded, but right now those five officers have been fired and charged with murder and other charges. it has sparked discussions about

police brutality. we want to talk about the legal process under way. joining me former principle deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree, jonathan turley and former dc police detective ted williams, who is an attorney as well. thank you all. want to start with this. washington post had an opinion piece yesterday that said getting the police under civilian control and not killing people may require drastically reducing the number of officers and their power while creating entirely new public safety agencies led by noncops to replace existing police departments. ted, you understand all different sides of this. what's your reaction? >> i'm somewhat opposed to what the washington post is wanting to put in place. i believe that law enforcement officers, quite naturally, should do the right and proper thing. i think they should be under the control of law enforcement. when you look at what happened in memphis, tennessee, it is the

exception and not the norm. you have a lot of good men and women throughout this country who serve in law enforcement and they go out there every day and they protect the citizens and their community. i'm somewhat opposed to that, to be honest with you, shannon. >> shannon: we have state investigation, federal investigation. jonathan, you wrote about, the federal investigation, at least the civil rights part of it, may be premature at this point. explain. >> it is premature. this is not uncommon to see officers lose control, unfortunately, in a physical confrontation. the most likely explanation is that this is a lack of training and loss of control. but the administration decided they wanted to launch civil rights investigation. we saw the same thing happen in trayvon martin's death. i raised the same questions there. when you create a civil rights investigation, it can complicate things for people on the scene. there's a rule that you wait for

the state investigation to be finished then you launch your federal side. in trayvon martin, in 2015, they just quietly ended that investigation. now, by saving the civil rights investigation, there's positive aspect. you amplify that you are taking concerns of racism seriously. it can also amplify that you believe that this was caused by racism. you sort of fulfill that narrative. it's not clear that that's the case here. it looks like a bunch of officers who lost control, who had no supervision and it seems like precious little training. >> shannon: the new york times put it this way. bottom line, definition of excessive force. that's what this was. even when mr. nichols was lying on the ground, none of the officers attempted to help them which is violation of their duty to render aid. to watch him there being propped up on a car after he's been

beaten, waiting for medical care, not getting it. we're told there could be more charges potentially for these officers and other people who were involved in that response. >> shannon, i think that's right. what we saw unfold on that video is a total loss of humanity. it is so difficult to watch those minutes unfold on that video. i think that's right in that there are so many people who were involved in this whole situation, obviously the initial officers who were involved in pulling over mr. nichols. also people who responded. i think that as the city of memphis, and so far i have to say i have been impressed with the way they've handled it. quick they, they moved decisively. as this unfold, i think we are going to see maybe a broader net being cast as city and local law enforcement look to everyone who played a role in this horrible scenario. were there different things people could have done? could other responders have done more? this is, i think, an important turning point, the fact that charges have been brought against officers. i would be surprised if ultimately it doesn't include other people involved in this situation. >> shannon: and because we have

doj expertise, i want to ask you a question on classified documents as well. there are two special counsel investigations going on, former president trump, president biden. at the end of these investigations by special counsel, how much deference does the attorney general give to those recommendations? does he have autonomy with regard to any prosecute ion. >> each of the special counsels is going to present some sort of recommendation to the attorney general. maybe less certain with regard to the investigation into biden because we know it's justice department policy not into tkaoeugt indict a sitting president. he's not required to accept recommendations of the special counsel, but if he disagrees or does something different that will open him up to a lot of public second guessing and questioning as to, wait a minute. you appointed these special counsels because you trusted their judgment, and yet you're

defying their recommendation. so again he can reject their recommendation, but i think it comes with a lot of political risk. >> shannon: political risk. okay. let's talk about politics. there's a georgia grand jury, special grand jury, that essentially looked into allegations that former president trump or allies of his tried to attempt to influence the election results as they came out down there. the report is done. the judge held a hearing this week to talk about whether or not they're actually going to get to release it. there were arguments by the district attorney. she said for future defendants to be treated fairly, it's not appropriate at this time to have this report released. decisions are imminent. that sounds like people could potentially be charged now connected with this. >> no. shannon, i believe fanny willis, in the fulton county da, i think there are going to be charges that are going to be brought. i think what we need to look at,

and i have always said probably a precursor to these charges will be if, in fact, all of a sudden you see the national guard out there and you see more law enforcement officers. i think that fanny willis has it in her mind that charges are imminent. she's used that over and over, the word imminent. so i do believe that charges are going to be coming down. and there is a great possibility, if i was donald trump, i would not sleep at night because i would certainly be very, very concerned as to whether or not i was going to be charged in the state of georgia. i have always believed that if there were going to be charges brought first, that it was not going to be on the federal level. that it would be in georgia. so i anticipate something happening very soon. >> shannon: what do you think, jonathan? >> i'm not too sure this would be a sleep deprivation moment. this is a relatively weak case, if it is based largely on that

phone call where former president trump says, look, all i need is for you to find this number of votes. you can view that in very different ways. from trump's perspective, he can say, i was trying to say it doesn't take many votes for the election to be overturned, not go make up those votes. reasonable people can disagree with that, but that's the point of reasonable doubt. the interesting thing here is that with the classified document prosecution losing a bit of steam, as you have more people being accused of this. we certainly have a diminishing jury pool in washington, d.c. many people are putting all their money on georgia. they should be careful what they ask for because you clearly have someone who wants to indict the former president. i understand that. but this could collapse in court. and it could collapse before the 2024 election. you could end up validating donald trump. so there's risks on both sides. >> shannon: we will stand by to see if that report is released and if charges are indeed imminent. gentlemen, thank you for your

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>> i heard somebody say to a member earlier, a member say to a commentator earlier today, i don't give a damn what those voters or those donors think. they're not voting here today. believe me, i do give a damn and so do the people whos that room. >> shannon: blasting republican party insiders she said are ignoring the rank and file voters they need to win elections. time for our sunday group. usa today susan tate. former bush white house adviser karl rove, fox news senior political analyst lon williams and the executive chairman of strive asset management. welcome to all of you. okay. this is how the ap put it after that decisive vote there on rnc. republicans confirm bitter divide. saying republicans from state capitals to capitol hill to the luxury southern california hill, where rnc members geared are at odds over how to reverse six years of campaign. >> get better candidates for the

u.s. senate and house and governorships. >> shannon: that solves everything. >> it's an important question but there's no easy answer. the republican party has to confront the fact that it has to re-examine how it conducts campaigns and how it recruits candidates. it has to examine where its strengths and weaknesses are and alaska cordingly. not an easy task and not something that falls on the shoulders of one individual. there's lots of people at the national level, state level and local level who need to step up their game. >> shannon: former president trump is the on officially announced candidate for 2024 has been in new hampshire and south carolina. here's a little bit of what he said about now officially getting the campaign going. >> they said, he's not doing rallies. he's not campaigning. maybe he's lost that step. i'm more angry now and i'm more committed now than i ever was. >> shannon: i don't think people are very happy about that but former president trump said he's

in it to win it. >> karl is 100% right about the box the republicans find themselves in when you see that selection of a new chair or reelection of the incumbent. the party is divided between the maga trump base and more moderate or established republicans. they're going to have to square that circle somehow to produce a candidate that can win. i don't know if trump is a good bet to be that candidate. now, you see him in new hampsh hampshire, south carolina. last time he got about 30% of the vote in south carolina. but it got him 100% of the delegates. i think this time we're seeing him now pursue a very clear strategy. where do i go to get those delegates? it's a little different. not as much of the rallies, to his point, as we see him now engaging with republican party delegates. >> shannon: he said the bigger rallies are coming. he also will point out in the polling he is ahead of all of the other gop candidates.

nobody has officially been announced yet. he seemed to take a swipe at one of them. he said there were republican governors that didn't close their states. florida was closed for a long period of time. they're trying to rewrite history. >> who was more afraid of covid? that does not strike me as a debate that's gonna resonate with a lot of republican voters looking ahead to the next presidential debate. we should note ronald mcdonald got 111 votes. it's very solid victory in a secret ballot election. that is notable. it's also notable that you had more than 50 other members of the rnc, a body that has been redefined by donald trump, not backing the candidate perceived as being his choice. clearly, you've got trump supporters who maybe are quite willing to look at other contenders for the presidency. >> shannon: what do you think it says that this was a bit more of a race than i think the chair woman had anticipated there would be?

>> well, look. i just think the republican party is in a complicated place. we've obsessed over the question of the who. is it mcdaniel, is it somebody else? is it kevin mccarthy or somebody else? without asking the question of the what. what agenda do we actually stand for and the why? why do we stand for that agenda? optimistically i see a historic opportunity for the gop right now to answer the question of, what are the shared american values that bind us together? we lack american shared national identity right now. that's an opportunity for the gop. i worry that we squander it by obsessing over these buy graphical questions instead of defining the what. once we do that, the question of the who falls out of that, whether it's the president, school board, the chair of the rnc. that's the missing work they need to do. graduate from the person to the agenda. and if we do that, i think the next cycle will be successful. >> shannon: one of the agenegen

items is free choice. the federalist says this. two things. referring to arizona. have universal school choice and yours could be next. this iowa education savings account will provide parents with approximately $7,600 annually to allocate toward approved educational avenues. one of those places that republicans can start these this is about the next generation of americans. you care about national identity? that's that next generation. there's good studies showing that for all of the known benefits of school choice, one of them is surprising. you get greater civic pride in cases, in states where students are able to opt out of their public schools. the number one opponent, by the way, are teachers unions. that then leads to the next frontier of this debate. they say pub lib schools can't keep up. public schools can compete if we're able to take on those teachers unions. i hope states like arizona and iowa go to the next step saying these public employee, teachers, should not be able to unionize

the way they have. >> that's the argument. then people say you're trying to drain money from public schools. i'm a big public school choice supporter myself. when you think about it, there's an incompetence in pub lib schools. i think 10% of republicans have confidence but only 50% of democrats have confidence in public schools. so there's a need for innovation in education. we can all agree. lots of arguments about closures regarding the pandemic. but in arizona for example -- >> shannon: where the governor, the new governor, wants to undo this. >> i think it's less about education innovation in a place like arizona than it is about getting public moneys to go into parochial schools and into private schools. right now it's like 80% of the people who have applied for this money in arizona are people who don't have children in public schools. i think for a lot of people it's draining money from the biggest source of education for american

children, public schools. they think that's dangerous. >> public schools need competition. our public schools, we're in the district of columbia. half the kids who enter school do not graduate high school. that's an embarrassment for our country. what they're doing in arizona, i don't care what the delivery system is. i'm a product of public schools. but if they're failing our kids we have to give them options. public school choice is the way to get that done. >> shannon: we're going to leave it there. panel, thank you very much. up next, she's one of the youngest women ever elected senator and she's still getting mistaken for a staffer on capitol hill. my sitdown with the now senator is up next.

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i was determined to be out there. >> shannon: newly sworn in alabama senator katie brit is the second youngest woman to ever serve in the chamber. but don't expect a movie. she was a long time senate staffer having served as chief of staff for the man she's now replacing. i sat down with her on her goals, what it's like to make the move and her new role navigating another tricky divide, the alabama/auburn rivalry. you've been a staffer on the hill. you know washington. you know these buildings. what is the difference of walking in with your badge, chief of staff. now you're the senator. >> to have been here as an intern and now to come back and my name be on the door, the gravity of that is pretty remarkable. to have had the opportunity to

have learned and to have been here torque have met people, to have felt relationship, to have seen things work and in times not. now to have a shot to be a part of that, a part of making our nation better and stronger. it's truly been an honor of a life time. >> shannon: you're replacing somebody who was here for decades. what's that experience like? >> you know, i think we're seeing it across the nation, that people are ready for new blood. and so coming in here, but realizing the reality, that there aren't too many of us from my generation who are here. and the responsibility that that carries. because there are parents and hardworking americans that are our age all across the nation that want a voice. >> shannon: you have school age children. >> yes. >> shannon: how do you manage home and family? do you think that's a fair question for female lawmakers? should we be asking that of everybody who's got school aged

kids? >> i do think we tend to ask that more of female lawmakers than we do men. but you know, one of the things that we look at, i think about the sacrifice of so many people across our nation. so this is a sacrifice, obviously, for our family, to be away. it pales in comparison to that of our service men and women, who are gone oversea, many times for months on end. some of them never actually having the opportunity to return home. you think about people who are pulling 12-hour shifts or people working two jobs to make ends meet for their children and be able to provide. so what it puts into perspective is that everybody across this country has a story, and everybody is giving it their all to make things work. one of the things we've committed to is face-timing. we had dinner via face-time this week. my daughter and i are doing a daily devotion together. doing that during face-time. being able to talk about that. talk about her day. look at scripture we're reading and be able to, you know, be

that hands-on parent even though some of it is having to be done virtually. >> shannon: what would you say to other people from your generation who look at something like this and say, i couldn't be a senator, or this is overwhelming, or how would i tackle this? what would you say to them about whatever their issues are or how they want to champion getting involved in this process? >> i would say they need to. whether it's school boards or the united states senate, you see people from my generation saying, it's time. it's time for us to do our part. it's time for us to contribute. it's time for us to be a part of the solution. and so i would say number one we need to. and number two, be unafraid to fail. when i got in this race, people said there was no way that we could make this happen. if you looked at the numbers, you know, you would think they couldn't be wrong on that. but hard work, passion, energy, makes a difference.

god's plan is greater than anything we have in front of us. >> shannon: do you get mistaken still for a staffer? >> over the course of the last few week, almost every time, actually, i have gotten stopped and said, ma'am, may i see your badge? they'll say, senator. i kid you not, shannon, i look around. oh, they're talking about me. >> shannon: alabama. i know how divided the state is when it comes to college football. >> absolutely. >> shannon: was that a tougher casm to navigate or is the rnc? >> the very first week i was on the campaign i had somebody walk up to me and say, i am so glad that you're running. we are finally going to have both political parties in the state of alabama represented. we'll have a former auburn football coach and the wife of an alabama football player. i, as the student body president of alabama ended up having to

sing the auburn fight song at an auburn/alabama basketball game because we lost. >> shannon: i was going to say, did you lose a bet? >> we lost a bet. and my dad called me and said, you better sing every single word of that right. that was not the tradition. typically, they would make up new words. but learned every word of it, sang every word of it. ironically, the coach who was there, who beat us, was coach tuberville. there's a photo of me saying every word of that auburn fight song with coach tuberville and the auburn team behind me. so to say life tkpwoe full circle, it does. >> shannon: now everybody is represented. >> absolutely. >> shannon: bottom line, what do you want to leave as a legacy here? you're just getting started, but what is your long term thought for hope for serving here? >> i think it is critically important that this time in our history that we have people that are willing to have tough conversations so that they can make tough decisions so that we can face our challenges head on.

and so i know in doing that, you have to build relationships because nothing is done by one single person or alone. and so building those based on trust and respect is critically important. i hope that people will see me as one of those people that, to our conversation earlier, is working each and every day to move the ball down the field so that the people of the nation and the state will be better as a result of my service. >> shannon: be careful with those football bets. up next, a final word. we'll be right back. hi. i'm charlie kirk. i started turning point usa to do the work to help save america. right now, the world economic forum and global elites

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