>> shannon: i'm jim and bring the first republican debate is teed up for milwaukee in august. three notable candidates now in the race, who else is about to take the leap? >> i am thrilled to be back in this beautiful state. >> thank you very much. >> it is a great day in south carolina. >> senator tim scott test the waters after chatter he might get the next republican to jump in. and challenge donald trump for the white house for the succulent republican joins us t discuss his political aspirations and his faith in america tour. senator tim scott only on fox

news sunday. concerns mount as china appears to grow closer to russia. >> clearly that would have very bad ramifications. >> shannon: now china is calling for an end for the conflict in ukraine amid talk that beijing is opening the war effort. we will sit down with a member of the putin's vow to suspend operations and nuclear arms deal . the four women of the special grand jury investigating trump' actions in georgia after 202020 goes on media blitz hinting about indictments. >> there are certainly names yo will recognize. we will ask our sunday panel whether her actions could undermine the credibility of th prosecution's case. look inside the sketchbook of the court room expert that take you inside the nation's biggest cases. that is all right now on fox news sunday.

>> hello, from fox news in washington. we're about a month out from team head to the polls in the primaries, but the republican field is taking shape with several candidates declared. there is a lengthy roster of potential candidates promising decisions and the coming months. many of those high-profile name are making high-profile trips t the early primary and caucus states. in a moment we will speak life with republican senator tim scott of south carolina who was the subject of recent speculation fresh out of iowa. first look at his recent travel to that all-important state. >> as i hear more from the constituency here in iowa and around the country, it will giv me more information on what to do next. >> tim scott's travels in iowa have the feel of a campaign minus the official announcement. >> for america to be at our best , we have to work together.

>> his faith in america tour is the latest in a fast rise from single-parent home to congressman to senator. >> i would like to introduce to. >> as the senates only back lik republican he's worked for bipartisan consensus on tough issues. >> i think the issue of policin in america seriously. i want our body to see it not because of an issue of republicans versus democrats, but as good people standing in the gap elected to do a job tha we all ran to deal. >> shannon: scott and shivering his story of growing up or inspired by his mother. >> at my mom said we could be victims or victors. she chose victoria victorious. >> shannon: he's focused on the positive but is taking shot at president biden. >> i understand president biden

lives in the past because he's been in washington or 50 years. >> shannon: he is drawn serious speculation but is now in the spot to make the case fo himself at. >> what are the differences in terms of policy positions that you may have with president trump. >> probably not very many at all . >> joining us now to discuss hi potential white house run, tim scott. welcome back to fox news and tapered. >> good morning, shannon, hope you're feeling well. >> i am, i'm sure you're a bit jetlagged because she spent a lot of time in iowa and that's gotten a lot of notice, you bee testing a message there. you see a lane for you in the 2024 gop primary. >> more importantly for elaine for me is do we have lien for young kids growing up in single-parent households like i did. flicking it single mothers that are working 16 hours a day like my mom did. can we make sure the lane to th american dream is wide open for them?

i spent the day with governor reynolds he just had monumental school choice reform a powerful tool to make sure parents have choice and kids have a chance. my focus is still on the missio of making sure that every singl american believes that the american dream is achievable fo them. >> you talk with an optimistic message we talked about how you are highlighting faith not only in the religious sense, but tha you want americans to have fait in each other. on journal family 1 percent of them is it realistic to believe that you or any other politicia can get us out of our corners and get people back to a place where there isn't so much division? to get there is no doubt, but that when you look at the pole, that's one of the reasons why it's important for us to come forward and have an authentic and sincere conversation about the goodness of america. in today's society, the progressive left is trying to

make america into graven cultur when in facte' on the foundation of greatness. our original sentient never defined is because the story of redemption is what we've been living through more than 50 plu years the greatest story of progress in the world is american progress in the last 5 years. i wish we'd spend more time talking about the goodness of this nation and stop the cancel culture. >> shannon: let's talk about this positive message in talkin about things like cancel cultur bridge new york times as about your assets being optimistic an possibly history making as the nominee. both of those assets could be a liability in today's republican primary were voters rail agains what they think is unfair favoritism for people against o color and people may be more focused on anger. will this optimistic message works? >> certainly, i think it's

always important. america is a country founded on the concept of hope. a world without america is a dark place. america without faith is a nation without hope so we definitely have to continue to work on the foundation we have stood upon for the last 250 years but in addition to that w have to be able to contrast between why we are a great country and why the left wants us to talk about the grievance. the fact is that the left is trying to sell a drug of victimhood and a narcotic of despair. the truth is we have so much to celebrate and yet today and man parts of the country, you feel like you are in quicksand. we should not allow the zip cod of a child to determine the quality of their life because education is the most powerful tool to equalize opportunity in this nation but there are poor zip codes whether that is not possible. we have to do something about that is one american country.

governors like kim reynolds and others are starting to take tha responsibility improve that we the gop the great opportunity party, we love america, we love our kids, and frankly we are th best hope for a united future. we want to talk about school choice and a minute with a couple of other things about your trip to iowa. not everyone thought your were uplifting. this when reporter says this it's hard to remember a more th belief that the route to national peace and unity requires the subjugation of one party by the other, but scott's speech was a relentlessly partisan screen accusing joe biden and the left of pursuing blueprint for ruining america. how does that square with the message of us having faith in each other as americans. >> that's a great question. once again goes back to the contrast of the message i'm a hopeful guy coming up because i didn't have to overcome problem for it i had a miserable beginning growing up in a

single-parent household mired i poverty, the challenges i face from self-esteem to low grades were monumental. i overcame those challenges wit grit, hard work, and inspiration . so the truth is the left today, they seem to be working on a blueprint on how to ruin america , if you wanted to ruin america you would print and spend trillions of dollars leading to the highest inflation . why is that negative the pulley up under joe biden's leadership with had the highest inflation in 40 years? why is it negative to point out that we've had four and a half million people across our southern border illegally. why is it negative to point out the fact that we've had 100,000 deaths to overdoses linked to fentanyl thousands upon thousands of those deaths, if w don't understand the state of america and the weakness of the progressive movement, then it i impossible for us to offer

positive optimistic solutions t the challenges we face because of the progressive wing of the democratic party. >> shannon: you touch there about your personal strides, very compelling to people whether they support you or not but even your supporters say there has to been more. in the opinion piece says you'r a talented candidate finding your theme, but you have to be careful not to substitute first-person narrative for an argument about why he is the right person to leave the country. so if you get in, what is the argument for you policy wise versus president trump or anybody else who gets into this field how are you better than the other options? >> one of the things i love to take time to talk about them i hope we have about 30 minutes left to have this conversation. >> slightly less. the policy positions that i've taken one of the most important parts of being in the majority is the opportunity we have with the tax and jobs act. i have the good fortune to be

the lead sponsor of the tc ja o the personal side of the tax code so i have the opportunity to help write that specific legislation. we've lowered their taxes for a single mom by 70 percent, we promised to put more than $4,00 back in the average family's pocket we ended up from $4,400. we were able to lower unemployment for african-americans in hispanics and asians to the lowest level in the history of the country i the lowest level since world wa ii for women. we sought more money come to th treasury with lower taxes than anyone imagined at the same time , wages grew at the bottom faster than at the top. i created opportunities owns my signature legislation that has is seen more than $50 billion attack poverty in the hardest hit areas of the country. at the same time i focused on education, i started the school choice caucus.

in the history of the country i than we made it permanent. i led the vast majority of thos pieces of legislation, i hope the best for the bats, the officers have the best resources , the best training, and we never questioned or thei qualified immunity. we had to stand in the gap when it matters the most that means leading from the front and not from the back. >> and want to make sure quickly . school choice, the special education advocate said when yo let parents take the money elsewhere. the vision is the same amount o money spread out over was only the best would survive if a public school has to compete with the charter or private school it will find a way to become better, but she as healthy can they improve if you take even more money from them it's just not possible. >> let's look at success in new york city where you see the populations are about 87 percen

minority and yet their schools are the top of the state of new york. what we've seen consistently is charter schools gets about half the money as public schools, ye they are public charter schools that provide choice choice for the parents and better quality education. out of the top 25 percent of high schools in the nation, about half of those are charter schools, so what we are seeing around the country is a success of some form of school choice. by the way, i don't care whethe it's a public school, private school, charter school, stem school, homeschool, virtual school, i want every child in every zip code to have quality education. that should improve all aspects of education, not reduce funding . this article that says the gop essentially un ambassador haley give gop cover on message of grace. rates is not assisted systemic

problem but an individual failing that's precisely what conservatives want to hear so they can say well i'm not a racist which means we don't hav to do much of anything about racism. >> the only word i can think of is hogwash, the fact of the matter was austin on friday having a conversation with several hundred gop years and w talked specifically about how the jim crow south impacted my family specifically. my grandfather made the choice to be stubborn in his faith, hi faith and the future, faith in himself and faith in this nation . but we had to overcome those challenges. what i don't like is when we hear president biden talk about jim crow 2.0 but my family live through jim crow and that's whe you had to figure out the numbe of jellybeans in the jar in order to cast a ballot to suggest that the current georgi election laws are consistently jim crow is just a live. what we have to do is make sure that we arm our people today

with the challenges of today an not pretend like were living in 1923 opposed to 2023. >> shannon: we have to go, do you have a timeline for making decision? >> i made a decision to go to church at 1130 today petechiae will be following you there after the show. up next, the war in ukraine passes the one year mark agains growing concern of senator ben cardin joins us next live. my dad was a hard worker. he used to do side jobs installing windows, charging something like a hundred bucks a window when other guys were charging four to five-hundred bucks. he just didn't wanna do that. he was proud of the price he was charging. ♪ my dad instilled in me, always put the people before the money. be proud of offering a good product at a fair price.

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♪ >> shannon: china wants the world to view it as a peacemake now calling for a cease-fire between russia and ukraine, but the move as prompting consider russia with military assistance. enemy now is ben cardin, welcom back to fox news sunday. >> good to be with you. >> shannon: you sat down with leadership all of the world in europe to have conversations about where you go next. >> we were in vienna there was meetings of the organization fo assembly. we met with many delegations including the ukrainians who were there in the city, not in the venue hall because of the russian presence, but we had an opportunity to show unity in support of ukraine. to get let's talk about this, the role of china because both ukrainian presidents in the russian president have said the plan too or they're going to

meet with president xi. we have a brand-new foxhole out so 60 percent of americans thin china is a major threat to that u.s. ad and another 20 percent that say there is some threat. that is 94 percent of americans who really don't trust china. what you think of there growing role in this. >> i'm with the 68 percent, i think there at tee major threat against the uniteg this . this is an attack on sovereignty of the democratic state there is no question that ukraine is the front line, but russia will not stop they are i china is assisting that, so china is a major threat against the united states. >> shannon: to that point about essentially sending overl flayed. if china does move forward, it would be the first time that beijing has done that in this conflict despite repeated warnings by the united states not to provide such support.

it doesn't sound like they are very afraid of forewarnings. >> china needs to know there will be consequences. we've isolated russia economically we can do the same thing in regards to sanctions against china china needs to understand they need to be on the right side of history here in an attack on the sovereignty of an independent state, what russia has done as a war of aggression in china should be with us in the overwhelming majority of the world just eke out. the security council of the general assembly indicated the wide understanding of who is responsible for this work, chin sets on the sidelines that was wrong, but clearly, they should be on the right side of history. >> so china they didn't want to vote on this that says the invasion is wrong and has to stop. secretary who did the same thin they stayed for voting, so what should his message be to them? >> you can't sit on the sidelines you have to pick a side the one side is right and one side as wrong.

russia is wrong, if your existing russia, you are assisting an aggressor who is trying to invade the sovereignt of an independent state in your country could be next, so join us in standing up against this attack on sovereignty. i want to put up new polling we have this morning there is a measurement of his job performance on the number of things the top four are all related to foreign policy he is upside down on all of that in the disapproval outweighing the approval so americans think the president is feeling on these foreign-policy foreign policy fronts freight a majority of democrats who are primary voters , 53 percent say they want to see someone else. where you stand on that? should he run again? >> i think joe biden has i saw that at this meeting where the u.s. and president biden were s respected his really reunited the free world, and domesticall

at think the ability to pass up major agenda and the first to years shows he knows how to handle are domestic agenda and rebuild our infrastructure. to deal with time and climate change, i think his leadership has been valuable for our country and i think he will be shown historically to have been an historic president fred. >> why do you think the bulls don't reflect that because the numbers get worse when you get into things like immigration, inflation, income and me. people increasingly think this president is not getting the jo done per. >> i think the challenges of typical american families there are high prices can we have to deal with that the reality that it's difficult to make ends mee i think president biden understands that comment heaves reduced inflation in this country, but i think it's difficult today for a family an that is reflected in some of th popular balls. >> okay, i want to get more of the foreign policy stuff becaus we're a year into this now and

we're now hearing increasing concerns about inventory what w can provide and others around the world can provide. it could be 2025 by the time it takes that we can actually get there the center for strategic and international studies has six critical u.s. systems these are missiles, ammunition, those kinds of things are getting depleted they say most inventories will take many year to replace in inventory replenishment will become an increasingly pressing problem. the secretary-general of nato said this on thursday. >> the consumption it is higher our production. so far we have depleted our stocks, but this is not sustainable. >> shannon: how do we deal with the reality they the u.s. and other western nations who are trying to help ukraine here are running short on military supplies. we don't have a good plan for replenishing them and i'll far that may lead us if we end up i another conflict somewhere else

fred. >> russia is depleting its supplies, it's having a challenge supplying their troop with the necessary equipment to pursue this war of aggression. we have been helpful to ukraine they have acknowledge that is not just the united states it's really been our coalition yes, we need to replenish the equipment and make more sophisticated equipment available we need to bring this war to an end with ukraine's victory and that means supplyin them with the equipment they need to successfully defend their sovereignty. it will be a challenge, make no mistake about it, but we have had coordination on the supply chains. we been effective at supplying a . there's a limit as to what ukrainians can use. >> what about our impact of being able to replenish that inventory we talked about. this report talks about how man years it would take us to catch up in this conflict, nobody see the end in sight for the finish line. where does that leave us vulnerable to other places were we may get drawn into conflict?

we are continuing to replenish what we need. make no mistake about it our national security is on the front line in ukraine today. its in the united states interest to make sure that ukraine wins this war so our investments here are to help us defend our own country. >> your colleagues among them o the hill are calling for more o an articulation from the white house about what our national security. likely republican senate he sai after sending $113 billion to ukraine in 2022, why should the u.s. even consider sending more money until every need out mone has started spending at least two percent of there gdp on defense and has been as much on the ukraine eight is the u.s. did and 2022. does he have a point? >> we do believe each should spend that may have a game plan to make that a reality and we'v seen tremendous progress on our nato allies, but what we need t do we have sweden and finland w

need nato to include those two countries and we are in the process of doing that. we want our european allies to do their fair share and they ar moving in the right direction, but make no mistake about it, ukraine needs our help now. we have supplied the help now because it's a critical moment and the battle. we don't want this to be a long campaign. we want to win is quickly as possible. we want to help ukraine achieve those. >> mccarthy wrote a piece this week and he talked about how fa we are willing to go if you're estimating 100 f to hundred billion dollars year, do we do that for three years, five years , eight years, and he says it for going to do that we have to decide what we cut on this in . we've already hit the debt ceiling. or does that mean that this bil just goes to our children and grandchildren? how do we balance that? >> it's a great question we hav to deal with the budget realities and come together democrats and republicans for the house is controlled by republicans the senate is

controlled by democrats forget to come together with the budge plan for our country, national security has to be a priority for the amount of resources wer putting into ukraine will come back to benefit us in the long run so we need to make sure the have everything they need to wi this campaign. that's the immediate issue is t make sure ukraine wins this work , but we have to make sure that we stay strong and our responsible way that does not add to the deficits of this country recognizing it's not fair for our children and grandchildren. >> we wish you all good luck with finishing that out very up next we will talk 2024 and shar our brand-new pulls out just this hour we'll bring in our sunday group next and look at where republican voters stand where when it comes to the big names in their party next so no matter what the market's doing, he's ready. and that's... how you collect coins.

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>> shannon: brand-new fox news falls this morning and when you're out from the 2024 primaries we have a deep dive into which names voters want to see on the ballot fred right no 43 percent of republican primar voters chose donald trump as their preferred nominee followe by ron desantis, texas

governor greg abbott and former wyoming congressman eat at 2 percent all others getting 1 percent or less bright on the democratic side 53 percent of primary voters would like to se someone other than joe biden run , but 37 percent say they want to see the president back on the ticket. district media group and acxiom strategies cofounder jeff roe. mo elleithee and senior politic reporter josh kraushaar. we want to put that back up, th geo- people, there were a lot o names on there one of them you heard from a short time ago tim scott. does it make sense for him to get an? >> absolutely coming he is a great place for the republican party, but the reality is this is a two-person race between donald trump and ron desantis. nearly 75 percent of the voters have chosen between those two. we've not seen that from anybod that had that kind of strength this early in the presidential primary so, the reality is this

will be a very small field. a lot of people were talking about a crazy barroom brawl, i think it will be a small field because the money's not there, the debate stage rules will kee it very limited yet they have a donor threshold, national polling and there is no room fo a third and fourth or even for first in this racetrack. >> beverly, anybody else gettin in at this point? >> i think they're running for the name identity whether that is for vp or other purposes as well because when donald trump ran initially for president, i don't think he thought he was going to get the nomination, bu it does great things for people 's businesses, et cetera. what will look for is how one people stay in. i believe it's going to be the two-person race between ron de santis and trump more likely . the more crowded the field is the harder it's going to be for anybody to defeat in the primar grades it depends on whether or not certain will coalesce together to get people to chop out.

>> we are talking about ron de santis and he's not in the racetrack. >> he's not in the race, boy that number for donald trump 43 percent of the republican vote, it is significant you underestimate every republican with under estimate donald trum at his own risk. he's had a pretty good politica month in terms of doing some of these retail events that he didn't do a lot during the 2020 campaign, his trip to east palestine, ohio ahead of pete buttigieg and going to mc donald's he shown a common touch that he had trouble with frankly when he was president and running for reelection so his numbers show that here stil formidable within the republica party and i agree with jeff, rhonda's inches if he gets income it he's going to be the other event and the room. you don't hear a lot of publicans going after trump. think they do that at there own peril because trump is still very popular. >> it's tricky for them because when you prep the press them on

whether they are a better optio they don't want to go directly after resident trump another pole, we ask people how much money do you have in your pocke versus last year in your other numbers. more, 12 percent, the same, 31 percent, less 57 percent, and that is a huge jump if you look back to february of 2018 f year ago under the trump presidency, that may be part of the reason why folks say they are excited for a president biden reboot. >> the economy is as good as people think it is very in politics, perception matters. the president has a really compelling argument to make about how the economy has gotte stronger under him. people haven't have insulted. there are as a role in politica munication that you can't go ou there and tell people they are wrong about how they feel so even though he can and should continue to go out there and make a case about why the economy and stronger and gettin better, the next part is the

most important part, this is when too many people often flub in politics freight were gettin better, but not enough people are feeling it we're going to do next. that has to be with this president talks about every single day for the next two years. i think he's well-positioned to do it, and i think the way the republican field is shaping up actually gives him even more room to do it because of the republican field is out there talking about how woke the left is in the president is out ther saying the economy is getting stronger, but here not enough people are feeling it, that is contrast that democrats would really like to have. >> you think there's any chance of president biden deciding not to run? >> no. >> let's put up his approval on any number of issues. this is a crowded picture, but we want to let you see we talke about this with senator cardin. it only gets worse when you get

into opioids, gun, inflation, h is down by i'm not great at math , but 35 points i think. so beverly, what does he do wit that? how does he turn around those perceptions. those perceptions our reality for a lot of folks fred. >> at think he's had a poor message he will talk about how good the economy as well but when people go to the grocery store, they are looking at what eggs cost also what gas cost, and it's gone down a bit, but people see those numbers in real-time so he can say all he wants that things are great, bu the people see something different it's not going to resonate think he would do better if he talked about the pain people are feeling acknowledging what he is trying to do to lower that, i think that would be a better message for him. >> we had this potential third-party rents, or talking about senator joe manchin when pressed on whether he's definitively ruled out a for th presidency he responded i don't

know i don't think you know who the democrat or republican nominee is going to be, he responded that's fair when radi host said he thinks the senator is still considering running fo the presidency. does he run as a democrat, does he run as of third parties boiler? >> it's something he's not running for reelection because have a better chance of running south carolina than he does against joe biden. i think they're in a pickle wit biden they can't get rid of him they can't let him run, so if it's anyone besides trump, it's a real problem because that's what took us from a historical 125 million votes turn out for republican presidential electio to 150 last time i think that's the hope that they get the rematch they want and the rest of the country really isn't looking for. >> end, president trump has not committed to supporting the gop nominee if it's not him. there's also this ulcer making scenario for the gop that he decides to run as a third-party

candidate. >> there are many republicans that sweat donald trump as ther are democrats who sweat donald trump. i think he is a walking grenade in any room of politics. you never know when he goes off and what it does. i don't know what happens in 2024 because i think there are lot of questions out there abou what each candidate does. ron desantis strong but has never been tested on the national stage prateek given th national debate stage, rumor this point in 2016, in 2015 i guess, jeb bush looked really strong. eight years before that, rudy giuliani looked really strong for republicans before they got tested. he hasn't been tested if i'm on the biden campaign the guy i'm looking at the most closely is tim scott who has a way to talk about issues different than the rest of them who are all out there trying to be to out woke one another and that's not what

is going to resonate in the general election. i don't know what happens. i think the president knows wha he needs to do and if he is focused on that, i think you will get assist from the candidates along the way pratee could break here. up next, marjorie taylor green kicked up a heated debate tweeting about what she called national divorce. we will talk about that in much more as the congresswoman doubles down. >> this isn't ending our union, this is shrinking the federal government which we need to sto our spending.

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>> honestly i wanted to subpoen the former president because i get to use where everyone in i thought it would be great to have 60 seconds with president trump with me looking at him saying useful or solemnly swear and being able to swear him and i thought it would be awesome. tran woman that is the third chairwoman who after the 2020 election. she made a lot of headlines thi week and raise some eyebrows with her candor. we are back with the panel. all right, national review wrot on this and said essentially,

this may be a lucky break for president trump they say if emily cores help from convinced republican primary voters that the democrats plan to indict hi here, there, and everywhere it is a politicized abuse of power his is this potentially, we are waiting on potential indictments , no idea what's going to happen there, but does the media tour help the trump team? >> that was not a saturday nigh live sketch although she was parodied on saturday night live. i think the bigger picture here is the way trump is defeated is through the political system nn democrats up with all their chips and this basket that some prosecutor whether it's here in dc or for any willis is going t have the smoking gun that will take trump out of the political race. it's just not going to happen. if there is if he is indicted, is this for a woman said, there will be a lot of questions by the trump campaign is going to raise about credibility and

impartiality that could taint the case. the notion that this is the one legal case is going to change the political has always been wrong. democrats had a hard time learning that lesson. >> he was out doing some things that our playing well with a lo of people. we've got him in ohio this week going to the scene of the trained realm and. while the biden administration was taking a lot of heat for no getting there, the president, i seems like he doesn't have a plan to go when he was pressed, he didn't even talk to the loca mayor there, he said i don't think i have, but guess who has donald trump has been there and talk to him. missed opportunity before the. >> i think a lot of people wish they had been their sooner, but i don't think it was a total missed opportunity. at think the ongoing federal response is what is going to matter. the fact that they are holding norfolk southern accountable an have been aggressive with that is going to matter.

look, people there are unhappy with everybody right now, they're unhappy with the republican governor, they're unhappy with the democratic governor. i don't think donald trump goin to hand out water and cleaning supplies is really going to tur people one way or another. reminds me very much of his response to that hurricane in puerto rico when he was president and he went and he tossed out water bottles and paper towels and all these year later, puerto rico still dealin with the ramifications of that. it was a political stunt, but i think the administration knows that it can't allow itself to b seen as absent, so ramping up that response, showing themselves on the ground more when trump shows up, making the point that this happened in par because of the d regulations that he put in place as president president, but focusing on the cleanup as quickly as possible. >> the ntsb suggest that wasn't the case.

it was an issue with the case i that kind of regulatory issue. they rolled back at the people of place and regulations where there is thought that there should be more there is a political height height to be had the ministration is right t focus on getting people back. >> secretary buttigieg got ther after president trump to bear. >> i tried to balance two thing my desire to be involved, engaged, and on the ground whic is how i am generally wired to act and my desire to follow the norm of transportation secretaries allowing ntsb to really be at the initial stages of the public facing were. >> a lot of people questioning whether he got that balance right. >> it was bad, it was a bad moment for the ministration birth trump was ending out wate and he was the first one there and buttigieg was there handing out apologies for the optics

were bad, i would've thought of all the captain secretaries i would've thought one person tha would have those fancy boots roho moment the reality is the number one thing you do when there is a tragedy is be there, and be there early. they didn't do that, trump sucked the oxygen out of ukrain visit that biden had so it was win for the trump campaign in a bad look for the biden administration pair the white house will say they had federal creeds and assets on the ground the big names weren't there, i don't think the president will go but to have a cabinet secretary, that was later for them but there have been assets on the ground to be fair. let's talk about congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and this national divorce idea. here is one of her tweets, she' had money she said people sayin national divorce is a bad idea because the left will never sto trying to control less is literally making the case for national divorce we don't want the civil war were not surrendering were tired of completing with no change and want to protect our way of life

beverly, this gets back to some of the earlier polling i talked about, people feel very divided in this country pretty good i think it's notable we have a sitting member of congress advocating for breaking of the united states. it's a hard thing to do in practice especially during covi when you see how many people have left blue areas how would we actually practically do this where the focus should be on federalism in the focus should be on the melting pot and being able to disagree with people in an agreeable way which is what we need to look to, not divide the country. >> because it's an insanely bad idea he said we were fighting a proxy war with russia and china is a long-term enemy, doing so would reduce the size and power by have tried xi jinping, but cut off its own right arm to se this pretty could not only is i unrealistic, but the political divides divisor within the stat not verse it eight versus state but her home state of georgia, atlanta is becoming blue and

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♪ >> shannon: as many of you know i enjoy pulling double dut phosphate as you also know ther are no cameras allowed inside the high court during arguments so over the years, i've gotten to know one of the artist who's done the most to show you what unfolds there as the justices hear the cases that impact all of us. i spoke with him about his unique role capturing what happens behind closed doors at the highest court in the land and high-profile cases all across the country. ♪ >> i want them to feel as thoug they are there. i'm not trying to shaded in any particular way, that is my responsibility, that's my job. >> you don't know his face, but you know his work.

in city where courtroom drama drives news but cameras are rarely invited in, artist bill hennessy is there with his pencils and paper. >> i tried to do more than just record what is there, but i try to catch the emotion of what is their bear. >> it's a profession he stumble into as a young art student per. >> at the art department got they said there's a tv station on the phone with anybody be interested in drawing and a courtroom? i jumped at it. and much to my surprise, it's been over 40 years fred. >> at what point did you transition to this is going to be work that i do? >> it was crazy, the whole concept of it was basically, imagine wherever you are walkin into a room full of 50 people and saying quick, we need a drawing of this. what do i draw here? i had to think like a journalis and i finally got a grasp on th inside okay i can do this trick kid today his sketches are a

staple of television news telling the story of the nation 's most consequential cases. >> even in celebrity trials, a lot of big supreme court cases, what are some of the standouts for you? >> oh my gosh, that's almost impossible. >> he's good former washington, d.c. mayor the dc sniper case, the amber heard in johnny depp defamation trial in a young woman who interned in the clinton white house fred. >> there was note blue dress, she wasn't going to testify, it's like we've been waiting fo months, and nothing is going to come of this. and then the word was over, there is a blue dress, they hav it, actually monica is going to testify. he also sketched that intern's former boss right the first impeachment, that really struck me because they had the front row seat in the press gallery looking down on all that great remember being overwhelmed. this number happens, it's so rare. there have been three now. >> you feel pressure when there

is somebody that's a recognizable figure? >> absolutely. that weighs heavily. when it is someone they know, they are making sure that you get it accurately. at the end of the day, you got to finish, your they are. that's the best you can do any move onto the next case. >> his pencils have seen a lot. >> are the moments when you're sitting in the trial and something shocking happens and you stop we are at and think this is going to be a way different sketch. it get there is a lot of things that happen you don't expect great that's what you got to be ready for because that can be the story. >> sometimes that story is outside the courtroom carried. >> i heard a commotion from the floor above and this shirtless guy comes flying down the escalator. i mean he's going 8-10 steps at the time he was moving in being pursued by four marshals, it wa crazy, but the amazing thing about that is if you look at this gets at the bottom there i a woman standing at the bottom of the escalator she put her

foot out and tripped him. inside the courtroom hennessy has perfected this beat of your craft fred could get your i'm furiously scribbling my notes and you're they're working in real time on this sketches, it is going as the case is going. >> that is what is kind of cool about it, but also crazy about it. >> you're in institution, you walk into the courtroom and you know that bill hennessy is here he's going to make sure the public gets to see what's happening in your. >> i got to see a lot of really great people. >> i have seen hennessy over those years in my tea get the case at the top there was a really big moment in history, that's the case that ended up overturning robie wade. >> actually, there is a reporte they are. >> i was so excited to find out i made it into a little henness sketch.

>> it has changed. now, 24 hour news, they wanted it immediately, it was almost a soon as that gavel strikes, the court is adjourned it's like ho soon can you have that? that method of working lends itself to them because i am thousand and i like that kind o energy. now it's more demanding than ever. dana perino ever think about th legacy and the moments in time that you have captured? no camera can be there but your artwork is what we have. >> have indwelt too much on that . that is pretty special in that regard. i'm going to let my kids know what to do with all those historical images. >> i will see bill at the high court this week. we will be there covering the arguments on student unforgiveness. before we go i want to let you

know my colleague will sit down with fbi director this week and you can catch the exclusive interview this week at to p.m. eastern on special report on fo news channel. quick note, my podcast drops to paper this week i sat down with whose life is at the center of new movie hitting theaters this week. jesus revolution that cultural movement and the 70s that led to that famous time magazine cover that jesus revolution per here all of the interviews from today's program on the fox news sunday podcast right download and subscribe by heading to fox news podcast.com or wherever yo get your podcast to listen to any of the ones we produce here at foxpro that is it for today, thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream, have a great week and we will see you next fox news sunday. ♪

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temple abraham after a fire burned down the first african methodist episcopal church coming up a live report on the longstanding relationship between the two churches also. five reported side shows in alameda county this weekend has once again raised the community's concerns about their safety. we'll hear from oakland officials about what they are doing to try to crack down plus more on that controversial decision by a judge to stop uc berkeley from building student housing at people's park. what governor gavin newsom is now saying about that decision. from ktvu