stadium with the snow capped mountains, says one of his best shots ever see you next week. >> shannon: i am a shannon bream. the president, lawmakers, and western leaders look on with concern as china and russia grow closer. ♪ ♪ >> there is no secret that the relationship between putin and xi has gotten much stronger. they share a common adversary. >> the president huddles with german leaders as president xi meets with their ally. they are flexing their diplomatic might, trying to shape the outcome of the war in ukraine. and intelligence officials say they don't see any proof that foreign weapons caused the mysterious havana syndrome. but american victims and their

lawyers say they still have a lot of questions. >> it just doesn't make sense. >> we will bring in the top senator on the intelligence committee, mark warner. in reaction from former secretary of state, mike pompeo, considering a run for the republican nomination. we will ask how he will manage these global challenges. then... >> can answer the question? >> no, you cannot. you have refused to answer the question. >> blessing the attorney general of her protests near homes of court justices, and political interference at the doj. we'll ask our sunday panel about the fiery exchanges on the hill, all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> shannon: hello from fox news in washington. the president met with top democrats this week as he thinks through his 2024 strategy, but foreign policy challenges continue to push his domestic plans to the side.

breaking overnight, the chairman of the joint chiefs visiting u.s. troops in syria. general milley is there to talk about u.s. efforts to prevent a resurgence of isis. syria's foreign ministry condemned the trip, calling it a flagrant violation of syrian sovereignty. this comes as russia, china, and the u.s. all jockey for global influence. in the moment, mark warner joins us on china and the war on ukraine and the mysterious havana syndrome. first let's turn to lucas tomlinson live, about the dual meetings between president biden and president xi. >> shannon, u.s. officials privately admit the war is at a stalemate right now. the front lines haven't changed months despite millions of dollars of american weapons floating into the country over the past year. russian forces making incremental gains, assaulting the eastern ukrainian cities,

where president zelenskyy visited shortly before flying to the white house and presenting this flag to congress ined his german counterpart, with ukraine dominating the discussions. >> beyond military support, the moral support you gave to ukraine is profound. >> despite both sides approving tanks for ukraine, u.s. officials admit if you have sent more than a month since the announcement. today, russian forces control 17% of ukraine, and there are more russian troops inside ukraine now then any time in the past year. in late january, the u.s. military's top officer admitted getting the russians out of ukraine this year would be "very, very difficult." only about half the 20 leading economies in the world are sanctioning russia. india has increased its oil imports. at the g20 summit in new delhi, russia stepped up to's us

using the ukraine -- [boos] >> one of the biggest concerns in washington, china potentially arming the russians. >> we haven't seen them make this decision. we don't think they've taken it off the table. >> the president also met with democrats late last week on capitol hill. the backdrop, his potential reelection bid in his annual budget rollout this week. president biden already making this pledge: >> and want to make it clear, i'm going to raise some taxes. any of you who are billionaires out there coming and going to set percent. >> right now former president donald trump leads biden in the polls and a potential rematch in 2024. trump spoke last night for nearly two hours outside the nation's capital at the conservative political action conference, better known as cpac. ron desantis was among a

handful of prominent republicans who did not attend. shannon? >> shannon: we will have more on that with the panel coming at. lucas tomlinson, thank you. joining is now, democratic senator mark warner. this week, you have a hearing on world by threat assessments. you will have the director of the cia there. you have been warning about china on multiple fronts. do you think that we have lost? >> i think prolonged time. conventional wisdom was, the more you bring china into the world order, the mother going to change. that assumption was just plain wrong. china even change their laws in 2016 to make it explicitly clear that every company in china, their first obligation is to the communist party. so we have never had a potential adversary like china. the soviet union, russia, was military and ideological.

china is investing in areas, they have intellectual property theft, and we are competing not just on a national security basis but on the technology basis. that's why national security now includes telecommunications, satellites, artificial intelligence, quantum computing. each of these domains, we have to make the kind of investments to stay ahead. i think we are starting that in a bipartisan way. we are trying to bring semiconductor manufacturing back, we have kicked huawei out of our telecom systems. this week i have a broad bipartisan bill i am launching with my friend john soon, the republican lead. in terms of foreign technology coming to america, we have got to have a systemic approach to make sure we can ban or prohibit it when necessary. >> shannon: does that mean tiktok? >> senator warner: tiktok is one of the potentials. you have 100 million americans on tiktok, 90 minutes a day. even you guys would like that kind of return, 90 minutes a day. they are taking data from

americans, not keeping it safe, but what worries me more with tiktok's this could be a propaganda tool. so the kind of videos you see would promote ideological issues. if you look at what tiktok chose to the chinese kids, which is all about science and engineering, versus what our kids see, is a radical difference. >> shannon: we will watch that, because that's a bipartisan offering potentially this week. this past week we got information, it was revealed that the department of energy and fbi believe the origins of covid were most likely a leak from the wuhan institute for virology. early on this was called a conspiracy theory, that you are racist if he talked about it. the senate has unanimously passed a measure that would call on this administration to declassify information we have about the origins. white house won't say whether the president will veto it or not. worldwide, do people not have a right to see that information? >> senator warner: here is again an example of what we are dealing with, with the communist party in china.

if this virus had originated virtually anywhere else, we would have had world scientists they are. the chinese communist party has been totally opaque about letting an outside scientist to figure this out. use of some parts of the intelligence community that think it originated in a wet market, other saying it could he gotten out from a lab, although i would say that one entity says it came from one laugh and 1 cent from another. at the end of the day, we need to keep looking and we've got to make sure, in terms of future pandemics, that we can have access to the source of where these diseases originate a lot earlier on in the system. three and half later, we still don't have access to wuhan. >> shannon: they're not going to cooperate especially if they assess internally they were at fault. how do they pay for this? billions or trillions in damages, millions and millions of lives. how do they pay? >> senator warner: this is where we need that united front of countries all around the world, that there has to be consequences.

potentially in terms of sanctions, one of the reasons why, if china moves forward to support russia and ukraine, i can't understand some of my colleagues who are willing to say, "i don't really care about ukraine, but i'm concerned about china." well, china and russia committees authoritarian regimes, are linked, and we have to make sure putin is not successful in ukraine and that xi doesn't further his expansion plans around taiwan. >> shannon: we know that even if they are not selling bullets to russia, they are buying up copious amounts of oil, and dual use products that can be used on the battlefield. xi doesn't seem very worried about the warnings from the u.s. at this point. they haven't acknowledged or apologized for the balloon that went across america, we think capturing american information as it went. it is xi afraid of this demonstration? to our warnings mean anything? >> senator warner: i think, as putin thought, with the invasion of the ukraine, that the west with her the the towel.

the fact that you've got the german chancellor in this past week, the fact that we've got nations like finland and sweden trying to join nato. i think putin made a major miss calculation and i do think xi is watching the west stand up against putin and is taking some lessons from that. >> shannon: you're just back from india among many other countries he visited. they abstained from the vote that condemned russia's invasion of ukraine and called for an end to this. how important is it, a critical place like india, that they choose a side? >> senator warner: india is a great nation. i am chair of the india caucus and i'm a big supporter of india. india is now a major power, fifth largest economy in the world and a place where remarkable things are happening. my message for the indians has been, we understand that you have historic ties to russia and he still get a lot of your arms, but you cannot be a world leader

and attempt to be a moral world leader without picking aside. in this case i think the younger indians get that. some of the older generation, we still have work to do. >> shannon: let's continue to funding for ukraine. another $400 million was announced on friday. there are questions, there'll be more requests from congress no doubt in the coming weeks about that. while there is strong support, here across the u.s. and across the west, it's pulling back a little bit. here's the reality from analysts. funding for the ukrainian government has not demanded any tough bureaucratic trade-offs between funding priorities. it's not requiring bouncing needs against a mystic spending. we have hit our ceiling, we have some kind of negotiation that has to happen very shortly. there are competing needs and they are very real, so where do we assess our financial commitment? >> let's look at this. we have allocated $113 billion to ukraine. we have actually only given them actually less than half of that, and on the military side, about

$30 billion. we still have some runway to go. but i think we need to keep that commitment, and the truth is the russian army is being chewed up by the ukrainians. we spent $800 billion a year on defense, and most of my lifetime to prevent russia from explaining that. we are having ukrainians do that right now, in a sense, i think we need to continue that. i think we will see the vast majority of members of congress in both parties. there are some loudmouths on both sides that are pulling back. but if we are going to keep this competition against russia and china, putin cannot be successful. at the same time we have to realize as we look at china that national security is no longer simply tanks and trucks and guns and ships. it's also telecom and ai and quantum computing and advanced synthetic biology. we have to make investments in those domains, as well, which is both an economic investment and a national security investment. >> shannon: speaking message of

national security interests, this is getting lost in all the other foreign policy headlines, but basically what the internal international atomic energy agency told us is that they have hit 84% as far as enriching uranium. they said that the 90% that you would need for a weapon. britain, france, and germany say they want to censure iran over this. the u.s. is hesitant, the reporting is that the biden administration does want to go there. are we soft on iran's new program then europe? >> senator warner: i do not believe that. we have made it explicitly clear -- and i was just in israel recently with a group of senators -- that we agree with israel. iran cannot be a nuclear power. i think that has been our policy and will continue to be our policy. there are two steps in this process, when is the enrichment issue, and i believe you will be tougher than the europeans. we historically always have -- >> shannon: then why are we censuring, reportedly? >> senator warner: have already sanctioned and censured

more irani and companies by far than our european friends. there was also question on delivery systems. our israeli friends are following this very closely. again, we will not allow iran to become a nuclear power. >> shannon: i've got to hit the savannah syndrome. the reporting this week, and assessment from several intelligence agencies that they don't think -- they think it's unlikely there was a foreign adversary carrying out these attacks, whatever they wear it, where it diplomats or intel officers around the world have suffered really debilitating symptoms from this. senator rubio, your colleague come i tweeted this. "the cia took his investigation of havana syndrome seriously, but when you read about the devastating injuries, it's hard to except that it was by a/c units and loud cicadas." see to anyone who got sick, whatever the source was, whether

they are cia, dod, state permit officials, we of than the world's best health care and we are providing that now. frankly, under the last administration him a little issue was swept under the rug. we are now being sure that health care is provided. i know how extensive investigations have been, and i've made very clear to them, if they need to continue that investigation, if new facts come to light, they ought to pursue that. but at this moment in time, i know how thorough they have been, and they have not found the evidence that i think perhaps they thought they would have found. we've got to follow the facts. at the end of the day that's what we owe the members of this intel community, to protect our nation, and that means health care. if it ends up with some other source then has been discovered, we have to pursue it. >> shannon: thanks for coming back to "fox news sunday." there were several former trump

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[c ♪ ♪ >> shannon: the energy department has now joined the fbi, concluding that the covid-19 pandemic more likely than not originated from a lab leak. in notion characterized at one point as a fringe conspiracy, deemed by some even as racist. when the trump administration began giving the lab leak theory credibility at the beginning of the pandemic.

joining me now, author of "never give an inch," mike pompeo. good to have yougood morning, s. it's great to be with you. >> shannon: you talk about this quite a bit, you are an early adopter of the possibility this could be a leak from the wuhan institute of virology. he said you weren't surprised that the chinese pushed back on it and some of your opponents on the left politically dead, too. but he was surprised that some u.s. scientists did. you mentioned dr. fauci and dr. collins and said, "i think they were being feared to be exposed for gargantuan conflict of interest that sidestepped american laws." what did you mean exactly? >> secretary pompeo: shannon, we now know there was u.s. money funding the research that was taking place inside that laboratory, and i think dr. dr. fauci knew that. so they went in full battle stations in march. three years ago. think about that. three years ago i was on --

and they went full battle stations. i think they were fearful that the facts we now know would be truth, that they would have some complicity in what took place. i don't think we know the full scope. the chinese communist party has torn up all the documents, the journalists have made it all go away. but it is now good to see that the department of energy has come to the same conclusion i gave my state department years ago that this leak came from a laboratory in china and president xi jinping foisted this virus upon the world. >> shannon: are you optimistic we will know on the u.s. side? are part of the equation in this? should there be responsibility? who should be held responsible? >> secretary pompeo: we should hold all parties accountable. make no mistake, this is a chinese virus that came from the laboratory. there's no mistaking that. we should make sure we understand fully what the u.s. role is in that. if there were laws violated by any senior american officials, they should be held accountable,

too. millions of people died around the world, shannon. we've had billions of dollars of economic harm inflicted on the u.s. economy. the only way to get this right for the american people is to make sure everyone connected to this is held accountable. >> i want to turn to russia and ukraine, the first this. you have been criticized for calling vladimir putin things like talented, sadly, elegantly sophisticated, not reckless, always does the math, and they have enormous respect for him. you know you've been criticized for that. is there context to that? had you explained is very flattering descriptions? >> secretary pompeo: yes, those are what i was taught at west point. always respect your adversary. don't call isis the jv. that's what barack obama did. don't underestimate vladimir putin. that's what the biden administration did. that's how we ended up not able to deter him from attacking ukraine. when you think of your enemy as weak or dumb are not capable of executing things that can harm your country, you're putting american lives at risk. so when i use those words, i was serious about them.

this is a guy that made a huge strategic blunder. but even today, shannon, even today we should not underestimate his tenacity, his capabilities. the willingness of the russian people to continue to pose enormous harm on ukrainian civilians and upset the space here in the global order. vladimir putin should still not be underestimated. he has threatened all kinds of things. we should be sure we are doing great things to deter this adversary who wants to do the american people harm. >> shannon: to be clear, though, on a scale of morality, where would you place in? >> secretary pompeo: zero. assuming 1 is the lowest, yes, zero. >> shannon: let's talk about what's going on and ukraine, because there's a bit of a split within the g.o.p., folks on the hill now and who are running for president, who may want to run for president. here's what former president trump said about us spending tax dollars overseas. >> instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars to defend

the borders of distant foreign countries, under my leadership we will defend our borders first. >> shannon: okay, as we talked about senator warner, there is some flagging of support ukraine. people know, we don't have our fiscal house in order, we may face other threats around the globe that will require resources. there are genuine competing needs, so how do we make that assessment? >> secretary pompeo: there certainly are competing needs but america can do this all right. let's talk through three things that are buried in what you asked. first, the eskimos should secure our southern border. i was involved in that bill to remain in mexico. he had sovereignty for the united states of america. i'm proud of the work we did in the trump administration to make sure our southern border was secure. it's possible to do. we simultaneously made sure vladimir putin didn't invade europe and had deterred that kind of aggressive attack on europe. to happen for four years on our watch. we didn't allow vladimir putin to take an inch of europe. finally, as per fiscal house in

order, the four years the trump administration spent $6 trillion more than it took in adding to the deficit, i came to congress -- you will remember this, in 2011, as part of the tea party class. we were determined to get our fiscal house in order and it's going to take serious making leadership to do it. but i'm confident we can do each of those three things. america will get there. we just need serious leadership prepared to actually speak honestly with the american people about each of those. >> shannon: would a president pompeo do better at managing this band president trump dead? >> secretary pompeo: i think a president pompeo or any conservative president will do better than not only we did in the four years of the trump administration, but barack obama, george bush. the list is long of folks who come to washington on one theory and aren't prepared to stand up explained to the american people how they're getting it right. the system is at risk. we have $31 trillion in the hole. we've got to begin to grow the economy and build it back with lower taxes.

when we do that and grow our economy, will get it right. it's when you take a true conservative leader. >> shannon: are you saying president trump wasn't? >> secretary pompeo: debt is never the right direction for the country, shannon. >> shannon: i want to hit on iran. as i talked with senator warner, it seems to be flying under the radar a bit, the nuclear advancement that's been assessed this week. they say it lies at your feet. it's important to understand how spectacular donald trump's policy failed an intern created the current mess. he was secretary of state when he pulled out of the nuclear deal. you accept any of the blame for where they are now? >> secretary pompeo: they blamed afghanistan on thus, they blamed the china problem on us. eventually the buy demonstration will take responsibly for something. two years in, right? our policy was fundamentally right. this administration has walked away from the nation of israel and the leadership doesn't have the confidence to do it it may

need to do to get iran to have a nuclear weapon, that america will be with it in their time of need. we've isolated iran, built up the abraham accords because we sanctioned the iranian regime. we have made life difficult for them. we took away their money. they went from $96 billion down to $4 billion with a foreign exchange reserve. has blush soldiers were getting paid less. we had begun to put them in a box where they would have had to make difficult decisions. i can say this, the israelis knew that and the gulf arab states knew that, and i think the american people understood that our relationship with iran can't be one of coziness. we can't negotiate with them while they are trying to kill americans. those are the wrong policies with respect to the united states and iran. we have to get this right in the biden demonstration has failed miserably. >> shannon: will continue to track that. i want to respond to what was said about the havana syndrome, that it wasn't a weapon or something done by a foreign adversary. he said you guys didn't take it

seriously or send investigative teams. >> secretary pompeo: i'm disappointed in that because senator warner knows better than that. he was the chairman of the intelligence committee when i was the cia director. we are the ones identified this program, the ones who got our officers, broadly speaking, out of the dangerous places that they were in. then we began a massive effort to try to identify what happened. it's proven very complex. it's now five years on, still not clear precisely how it is these folks became sick and injured. we have to keep at it. but to make this about partisanship or suggest that our administration didn't i've held the folks injured -- we did, we provided the medical attention -- or do our best to figure out how to deter and push back against it, i wish senator warner hasn't done that. that's beneath him. >> shannon: last time you hear asked you if you are going to run for president in 2024. you said you'd get back to me. i have not heard from you, so we are still waiting. any announcements on that front? you are at cpac and had a

pointed speech and hit a number of top issues that sounded like somebody who could be giving a stump speech. i want to play bit of what you said friday night. >> we can't become the left, following celebrity leaders with their own brand of identity politics. those with fragile egos who refused to acknowledge reality. >> shannon: "washington post" assessed it this way. "in case it is not obvious, pompeo was talking about his former boss, donald trump. he avoids naming names that he can have plausible deniability and potentially avoid a backlash." so "celebrity leaders with fragile egos." who are you talking about? >> i was talking about the series of the moment we find ourselves in. we focused on foreign policy, but we talked about schools, crime in the streets. we spoke about the southern border. i was talking about the time to elect serious leaders who are thoughtful, he speak about america is the most exceptional nation in the history of civilization, they are not denigrating it, then not

throwing out whoppers, spending time thinking about twitter. that's what i was speaking to. it's a moment for celebrity, the moment of stars is not with us. at the moment for america to go back to its conservative sounding, its conservative ideas, and i'm confident that room cheered that idea and we are heading back in that direction. >> shannon: celebrity egos, big voices, he will assist with twitter, you leave us with no other assumption in that you are talking about your former boss at the may be considering a series or in yourself. i mean, who else are you talking about? >> secretary pompeo: shannon, again, i'm talking about what's happening in states and counties, school boards all across america. it's time for thoughtfulness and a weightiness and seriously moved away from. it's not about former president trump, it's not about president biden. it's not the american people and getting this right. i'm not dodging a question family are working our way through. my wife and i are waki working r

way through what's express. in very short order we will figure that out and let anyone know. >> shannon: what does short order mean? have you got a timeline? >> secretary pompeo: not a hard one, but the next couple months. >> shannon: we will see you back here on "fox news sunday" for your announcement. thank you so much. >> secretary pompeo: have a great day. >> shannon: you, too. a pair of high profile conservative gatherings including president trump. he had the stage at cpac last night, took a few veiled swipes at challengers, and he's excited about those paul mello poll results.we will talk about. ♪ ♪

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your bathroom upgrade has never been more “you.” >> that's why i'm standing before you, because we are going to finish what we started. we are going to complete the mission. we will expose and appropriately deal with the rhinos. we will evict joe biden from the white house. [applause] >> shannon: president trump taking the stage at cpac laying out his reelection platform and bowing a return to the white house. it's time now for our sunday group. what has reported for "the wall street journal," catherine lucey. former bush white house advisor, karl rove karl rove. fox news seen a political analyst, one williams, and host of the jason rantz show, it would only be jason rantz. guys, welcome. good have you with us is morning.

let's put it, he runs away with 62% to ron desantis a distant second. pair a johnson, not going to lie, had to google him, 5%. a nikki haley at 3%. karl, you have talked about who the nominee should or shouldn't be or may or may not be. this is just one slice, and we knew it was going to go this way, but our polling last week show the president trump continues to dominate the primary field. >> karl: he's the front runner. it's interesting, july 21, he was 70% at cpac, and august 22 in dallas at cpac he was 69%, and that he 60%. >> shannon: 62%. >> karl: 62%, excuse me. this is trump-fest, let's be clear. but look, he's the front runner. the question is going to be if he's the front runner in early 2024 or if he's going to be slipping in some of the early states. early states are indicating -- new hampshire, for

example, and nevada -- there's polling that indicates he's now the front runner there. we are in for an exciting contest but he's in the pole position. >> shannon: have word that former governor larry hogan, a frequent trump critic, cities not going to get into the mix. >> catherine: he's talking about the idea of a pileup or a crowded field and that's something we saw in 2016 with donald trump, that a lot of people ran against him, split the rest of the vote, makes it easier for him to solidify his support and rise above, and that is something that i think people who are looking for an alternative to trump or worried about. we don't know yet. is there another candidate you can really rally the rest of the party support against trump? >> shannon: he was apparently asked by a reporter yesterday what happens if you get indicted. he said he is still running and it will probably help his numbers. it's probably true. >> jason: it probably is. he's done really well because he

is seen as someone that is antiestablishment, the folks out to get him, and is obviously going to play into that. can someone else move ahead without alienating the trump supporters? larry hogan would not be able to do that. a lot of folks, including mike pompeo, they will be seen as sellouts to this administration. and i think ron desantis is playing this really well, but he's not going after donald trump very much. kind of not even mentioning him at all, and focusing on his record in florida. for him, that's going to be a very strong strategy. >> shannon: marquette university had a poll of people described as g.o.p. or g.o.p.-leaning independents. they still have a favorable view of president trump, but when they went head-to-head, they had to santos at 64% in trumpet 36%. juan? >> juan: i think jason is right. but former president trump is doing is making desantis into

the establishment republican candidate. i think back to 2016 and the races they are, nobody figured out how to counter his very personal mocking and belittling attacks and has kind of popular culture plays in politics. you know, low energy jeb, little marco, on and on. nobody figured out how to counterpunch. right now he's not mentioning trump. it's as if he's just saying, you know what? i'm counting on something else to take you out of the race. he could come at him from the right. when i say that he could go after him on failure to enact elections, he could go at him on failure to deal with covid, failure to deal with immigration. you could say, look at florida on covid. i'm farther to the right than you. but he hasn't done that. he's on his book tour but it looks like it's a fantasy tour where he thinks he's pretending to run but not willing to say it because he does want to alienate the base. >> shannon: there are things

that he had to iron out. they have to fix this potential issue down in florida during this legislative session that there may be a state law that would bar him from running for federal office. >> karl: it wouldn't bother him, it would require him to resign as governor. i don't mean to disagree with my friend. >> shannon: what? [laughter] >> karl: last night in dallas, huge crowd. the night before that, houston and dallas, the republican party fund-raisers are the biggest ones in history, both in dollars and people. he's out there selling his vision of what florida freedom means. it's an important step to lay out his case. that you do things in the campaign, building upon things, and he is right now doing the very important work of giving people a lot of things to understand that he has done in florida, and that's an important part of winning strategy. you don't have t and started throwing haymaker's at y

effectively counterpunch. when time came after him saying you've shutdown florida prematurely, he said, "i'll take my record against your record of shutting down america," and did so in a very polite fashion that i think was powerful. >> juan: that's what he has to do more of, but he's avoiding people like shannon bream. he's not doing media, and when he does that, he had a slip up. he alienated the republican establishment by not saying he supports ukraine. >> karl: you can sign up as his campaign manager. [laughter] >> shannon: announcing this morning he's going to be ron desantis' campaign manag manager! >> karl: you heard it here first! >> shannon: we would love to see. >> catherine: as karl is saying, desantis is taking these arguments to the early states. we know from our reporting that there's a lot of iowa republicans who are interested in an alternative to trump who have not made up their minds. they tend to keep your options

open and i simply he's making talent to tellf what he's done in florida. >> shannon: we don't even know if president biden is going e qw about these delays. >> jason: but the focus can be on biden right now because we know if desantis is going to do this and be successful, he left to go off to trump and defeat him. he's going to have to do it in a way that is still polite to an extent. he's focused on the substance of his record. instead of being drawn into a battle with donald trump, which is a lose-lose for him. it will alienate the base. just being at cpac in speaking to open to ron desantis. they are fans the first choice. but if it doesn't go that way in hands of not advancing, you need someone who's going to be able to keep the party to get it. with all due respect to larry hogan, while his argument is a valid one, where you don't want to bring everyone apart, he's not going to be that

candidate. >> shannon: before we go, and want to mention the train derailment in ohio, because there was another one this weekend. not to the extent and report of the net carrying hazmat materials, but we are a month into this now, and "the daily beast" is calling out president biden on this. they said his befuddled response is unacceptable, they say showing up as an important part of leadership. he should know that by now. failing to show up in east palestine was a crucial mistake and his opponents have seized on this opportunity and used it to say, you don't care about rural white people. should he be there? he said he's going at some point. >> juan: what's important here is taking care of people who are in the midst of a crisis, and i think everyone agrees, including governor mike dewine, the republican governor, and republican members of congress, that the epa has been on the ground from day one, the people in charge health controls and helping people who might have health consequences from this bill have been there from day

one. the transportation department has been there. it seems to me there is a certain performative aspect to this that's being requested by biden's critics. but to me it's about taking care of those people, and i just think that, so far, based on the opposing party and what they have to say, the administration has been doing its job to for snow folk southern to take full responsibility and promise full compensation. >> jason: didn't feel like they're being taken care of. >> shannon: perception is reality. >> jason: absolutely. at the end of the day, if you play snowshoeing ups to their homes and saying, i'm sick, my kids are sick, and he of the epa coming out and saying everything is fine, the president will show up, you just aren't feeling confident in this administration. there are significant health and political implications to avoiding this particular demographic when you are deciding whether or not you're going to run for reelection. >> juan: you don't want to interfere. >> jason: will be the

interference to show support? >> karl: as someone who has painfu thing called katrina, the president needs to have been there long before one month after the event. the president feels -- it's an empathetic role in the president of the united states needs to go this place. he should have been there within a matter of days, not a matter of months. he's going to suffer from this and it is going to leave a bad taste in the middle part of the country and the belief that he is more inclined to fly off to kyiv then to east palestine. >> shannon: panel, don't go anywhere. president biden has sparked outrage in his own party after backing down on an issue a lot of democrats support. one lobby to lawmaker called the move "amateur hour." and the move to end daylight savings time. we will, next.

>> and rioters descended on the homes of six supreme court justices, night after night aft. the department did nothing. >> shannon: republican

senator ted cruz blasting attorney general merrick garland over process outside the homes of supreme court justices. we of incoming in this hearing, but he stood there and took it. >> catherine: he took it, he pushed back, he insists his department is not politicized, he pushed back ill against a lot of cruz comments, especially on the safety of supreme court justices. he said they sent u.s. marshals to their homes, that he had not done nothing in the face of threats to their safety. but it was certainly a fiery hearing. >> shannon: it was. i want to play a little bit more of this, because senator mike lee out of utah, republican, was pressing him on arrests of pro-life protesters versus people who have attacked pro-life pregnancy centers. here's a little bit of their exchange. >> there are many more prosecutions with respect to the blocking of the abortion centers, but that is generally because their actions are taken with photography at the time,

and during the daylight, those who are attacking the pregnancy resources centers, which is a horrid thing to deal, are doing this at night in the dark. >> shannon: jason, you are shaking your head. >> jason: is that word we are now at? we can't do investigation because it's dark outside? i seen the surveillance footage from washington state were a number of these locations have been targeted. there is a difference between -- it's fair to say that we are doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes. the town destinations work. when there are attacks or vandalism or threats toward entities or people that happen to be progressive or liberal, this allowed push vocally to say we are going after these folks, that we are going to make sure that we make these arrests. and yet there's a lot of silence when it was conservatives, or those who are perceived as conservatives, being the targets. it's very similar to east palestine. if you don't feel like your

, you are earning resentment on th >> shannon: the attorney general said, we are not politicized, that's not how we make decisions, but there were questions about classifying catholics who believe catholicism, as radical, if there is some kind of threat. parents at school board meetings. you know, all kinds of things that this attorney general was confronted with, because they have to deal with the optics of it. >> juan: there's no evidence evidence of this accusation. this looks like basically you had cruz and others wanting to create made-for-tv moments to show that they were taking on the attorney general for the white right wing. that he somehow goes easy on left-wing extremists bit hard on right wing extremists, and alsot

president trump. it looks like basically they were trying to drum up the idea that this guy is partisan and fighting for the fart. what is with this? crime, we love police, but when it comes to the fbi, you guys readed president trump. he did something wrong? you don't like the justice department because they have rightly said, they are the major terrorist threat to this coun country. >> jason: but they are not. >> juan: i'm repeating with the fbi said. >> jason: but he is the difference. the criticism is against leadership, not the men and women in uniform who are engaged in -- >> juan: they shot at fbi agents after the trump -- the visit to try to recover -- >> jason: that was equally celebrated by the right. >> juan: i'm just telling you, this is the facts. >> jason: but the conversation of white supremacy, you know we

don't hear about? organizations that y'all off the left pretend don't exist. >> catherine: but when he mentioned jane's revenge, they were online calling for attacks on pregnancy centers and celebrating them in leading their tags on the building. it gets back to this idea of perception. >> karl: i'm going to give the attorney general the benefit of the doubt that they really ar are -- that the people protesting abortion clinics generally do so publicly and in front of cameras, and people who assault the centers at night because they are cowards. with all due respect, there is evidence. we know at the highest echelon, there was a serious effort to consider parents in northern virginia who are upset about their schools as terrorists, providing draft language to the department of justice. we also know that there are

people inside the enforcement agencies are openly talking about, do we need to target catholics because of their views? as a culture inside our government that merrick garland ought to be concerned about. if we are sitting there with u.s. law enforcement agent saying, if you are a deeply observant catholic you are a threat to the united states of america. >> juan: i think some of this comes from letters written to the justice department. among people, how can we -- that discussion was totally legitimate and not evidence of bias. >> karl: this was a report, recommendations being framed out by people and set our government that we ought to seriously investigate. >> juan: discussing where the threat exists, and i don't think it has to do with religion. >> karl: who represents the threat, that's what they were talking about. >> shannon: let's take it down to this, which is, off of that, should we keep changing our clocks? senator rubio is offering this

mystemessage again. the ritual of changing time twice a year is stupid. catherine, is it stupid? >> catherine: i think there's lots of views on both sides of this and that's part of the reason this hasn't advanced all the way yet. there was an effort to do this last year, it didn't advance in the house. some people think there should be more daylight in the morning to go to school, more in the evening or businesses to stay open. so i think this debate keeps going and we will see if we reach a conclusion. >> shannon: they spelled this out, we have a real-world example. the scent typically rises around 7:15 a.m., sets at 4:30 p.m. on the first day winter in new york city. this would change some rice 8:15 a.m. and sunset to 5:30 p.m. i am for that, but jason, you say no? it should be dark at night and early in the morning? are you a farmer? [laughter] >> jason: i will tell you, 10:30 at night during the summer, it is still a little bright outside, and it's kind of creepy, it's hard to sleep. at the end of the day, the argument is all about safety and

health. i argue that we should proe witl body. when it's dark, we are supposed to go to sleep. when it's light, they are supposed to wake up. ultimately that'll make all of us healthier. >> shannon: so you're voting no. i want to look at this, the d.c. counsel change the criminal laws here to lessen penalties are some things. there's a big backlash on this. the house and senate have a right over this federal district to say they're not going to do this, the president says he won't veto it. frankly, karl, democrats say this proves d.c. need statehood. >> karl: he is saving them from themselves. they would delay for mandatory minimum sentences for many violent crimes. it would elevate low ranking crimes have jury trials which would discourage people from being charged, and that would reduce the penalties for berkeley carjacking, robbery, and some others. he is doing the soft-on-crime

labeled being able to be slapped on him with ease as it would be if the democrats oppose this. >> juan: republicans are trying to put biden and democrats in a box. as karl said, i think the president avoided the trap. by the way, i d.c. resident. i think this is a bad bill. the president did right. >> karl: good for you. >> shannon: a moment of kumbaya. we will see you next sunday. a prominent religious voice caught in the middle of a political firestorm. more on that, next. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> shannon: she spent decades as a prominent bible scholar and teacher, but in her new book, beth moore isn't readily transparent about ev suffered to finding yourself in the middle of the political firestorm that turned her life upside down. she is my guest this week on "livin' the bream." you can download it now anywhere you like to get your podcasts. that's it for today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday."

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