our guests for having these conversations and thanks to the team who makes this show possible, and as always, thank you to you for watching. we'll see you next time. >> shannon: i'm >> shannon: the u.s. launches airstrikes in syria following the death of an american contractor in an attack linked to iran. >> the pentagon retaliates gaent pro-iranian militants after a drone attack. the u.s. says the u.s. does not want conflict with iran. >> intended to send a clear

message. >> shannon: we will sit down with michael mccaul on projecting u.s. military power without inflaming tensions. then former president trump holds a 2024 rally in waco, texas, blasting news he could be indicted as soon as this week. >> from the beginning one phony witch hunt after another. >> shannon: we'll have a live report outside trump tower and do a deep dive on potential charges, the impact on 2024 and big-picture concern about what this could mean for a nation already facing major political divisions. then -- >> you're telling me what you're doing, i'm telling you the data shows you are grossly failing at that effort. >> you know you cannot protect data and security of this committee or the 150 million users of your app. >> shannon: the ceo of tiktok endures a blistering hearing as members of both parties demand to know what it is doing with

american's private information, ask about safety, privacy and national security concern when it comes to one of it is country's most popular apps. plus my sitdown with seven-time grammy winning musician on toby mac. all right now on "fox news sund sunday". >> shannon: hello from "fox news sunday" in washington. we are waking up to news on multiple fronts this, mo. lasts night former president donald trump lashed out at the manhattan district attorney. he is fuming. and u.s. troops in syria on high alert after the u.s. and pro-iranian groups traded fire in recent days, designs for deterrents new concern about escalation in a volatile area. more on those stories coming to

you in minutes. we begin with the deadly tornado that ripped through the mississippi delta late friday. two dozen have died and governor christopher reeves declared a state of emergency. robert is live in one of the hardest hit areas. robert. >> good morning from rolling fork, not far from the mississippi river, look at the destruction behind me, scenes like this all over this town and devastation and terror from this tornado began friday night about 8 p.m. central and you see this right now, shannon, it is projectiles like this from homes that turn into missiles, wood boards, vehicles on top of homes and people's livelihoods, destroyed, according to the national weather service a preliminary rating of an ef-4 tornado. what thatten means, the winds

were 166 miles per hour or higher, tremendous devastation as this area has been battered every week by severe weather since christmas. president biden and other officials are sending in the groups throughout the week, the federal emergency management is on the ground already. ngo's and volunteers from surrounding states are here trying to help people with provisions, water and places for them to have shelter. this town under 2000 people catastrophic as the folks are trying to pick up the pieces on this sunday. 25 people have lost their lives in the state of alabama, one person in mississippi and this terror and trauma will just continue in the days ahead, but federal government promises they will be here to help the folks. shannon. >> shannon: robert ray in

mississippi, thank you very much. back to coverage of the u.s. military strikes in syria. iran launched three more attacks friday and saturday, targeting u.s. forces. another u.s. soldier was wounded, one american contractor killed and seven others wounded, but no new attacks last night. i will ask michael mccaul about the tension and the u.s. response, first lucas tomlinson on the president's warning to the militant groups. >> lucas: president biden traveled to canada to unveil a new deal with prime minister trudeau giving both authority to turn away asylum seekers at their borderers. 90 u.s. troops in syria and retaliation dominated biden's visit to ottawa. >> president biden: the united states does not seek conflict with iran, but be prepared for

us to act forcefully to protect our people. >> lucas: the top general in the middle east says his soldiers have been attacked nearly 80 times since biden took office. >> the use of proxy force part of the ongoing shadow war between the u.s. and iran for decades. >> is iran responsible for the death of an american citizen or not >> iran backs these groups. >> lucas: biden administration tries to pivot away from the middle east, china has moved in, brokering a deal between saudi arabia and iran to resume relations. on capitol hill, many lawmakers want to counter china military and economic rise taking aim at the ceo of the popular app tiktok. >> are teenagers shown more distressing content? >> the opposite is true. >> and questions about bytedance, tiktok parent company headquartered in beijing. >> has bytedance spied on

american citizens. >> i don't think spying is the right way to describe it. >> lucas: many lawmakers want to see tiktok banned completely nationwide. shannon. >> shannon: we'll talk about that, lucas tomlinson thank you. joining me now chairman of the house foreign aaffairs committee michael mccaul. we had a lot to talk about, over the night, vladamir putin saying they will position nukes in belarus, what does it say to you? >> tensions are rattling on the part of putin to try to frighten with the operations going on. the way i see it, shannon, since president biden came into office, he's projected weakness and you invite aggression and war, when you projec invite peace. you are seeing peace on iran getting aggressive and now putin

invading ukraine. and chairman xi jinping and china threatening taiwan and the pacific. all these things are happening at the same too and it is not by accident, it is by design and it is a weak foreign policy out of fear. i think we are so weak right now these tactical nukes are disturbing. i think it's the fact they are in belrus. what happens in ukraine will happen in taiwan and the far east and the pacific. we have to, this is a very important confrontation right now. >> shannon: talk about that, in the context of ukraine, xi meeting with putin and the things interconnected here. lawmakers, including josh hawley, gop senator, says they are outspending us and other than was the chinese understand

our resources are tied up in ushg yoo, we can't use them if there is invasion of taiwan. "new york times" says if large scale war broke out in china within a week the united states would run out of long-range anti-ship missiles. last time you were here you said you did think we could be in military conflict with china by 2025. with that in mind, resources, military aid, what is your opinion? >> not up to speed. weapons in ukraine are old weapons, more land-based, what we sent to taiwan would be marine-time based and they are new weapons. the concern i signed off on foreign military sales to taiwan three years ago that are yet to go into the country. i'm getting ready to travel there, that is a concern, there is no deterrence. what is happening in ukraine will provide deterrence with taiwan. their is no deterrence for war.

>> shannon: if chinese knows that, how much does that cripple up in terms of deterrence? >> what is more disturbing is this alliance between putin and xi and they just met again saying next 100 years will be greatest years and talking about lethal weapons from china to ukraine into the fight with russia. this is an alliance, buying weapons from iran and north korea, they are tied together, it is a geopolitical fight between tyranny oppression versus democracy and freedom in the west. you can't dissect the two. they are tied together. what happens in ukraine affects taiwan and the pacific and we need to deter on both sides. my argument is this administration has wholly failed in that deterrence. >> shannon: so china, not the meeting with putin this week, that is disturbing, but they are brokering deals between the saudis. there was a trip planned to meet

in beijing, as well, are we, the u.s. losing positioning on the world stage and china is courting people publicly. >>y woo are losing our prestige, we are not leading in front, we are leading from behind. we talked about obama years and isis rearing their ugly head. foreign adversaries are on the march and getting aggressive against the united states because of his weakness. president trump, when he was in office, they feared him. >> shannon: what about those who said he created aa00 chaotic situation and under him critics say we lost respect around the world. >> fear provides deterrence and unpredictability. with trump. with biden, because of projection of weakness and go back to afghanistan. when afghanistan imploded, that

is the turning point when putin looked and not a question of if, but when, putin looked at ukraine and xi looking at taiwan, that is when everything changed. afghanistan was a turning point. it was a disaster, we left americans behind, afghanistan partners behind. we've heard testimony about the sniper and the suicide bomber that wasn't given authority to take out the suicide bomber that would have saved 13 servicemen and women and that is tragedy and when things started going downhill. >> shannon: you asked blinken about decent, came from employees worried about the pull-out strategy in afghanistans. you have asked numerous times for years, here is what he said about why you haven't gotten it so far. >> let's not be racist toward china and expres our -- >> by regulations, these cables

may be shared with senior officials in the department to protect the integrity of the process, to make sure we don't have a chilling effect on those that might go forward knowing they will have their identities protected and can do so without fear of favor. >> shannon: he says that is justification for why you haven't gotten it. you told him you would subpoena him by monday. do you think you will get to see it? >> employees dissenting to the policy of secretary of state and the white house. we want to know and the american people and veterans deserve to know and gold-star mothers, what were in the dissenting cables that were so important that 23 employees were reaching out at the highest levels saying we disagree with your policy. i don't care about internal policy, i care about veterans and gold star mothers and marine surgery are vagas who had the

suicide bomber in his sights and wasn't given permission to engage, that is what i care about. if they don't deliver by monday, close of business, i'll serve the subpoena. >> shannon: congress bowman on tiktok, he says going after tiktok is potentially racist. here is what he says. >> let's not be racist toward chinas and express our xenophobia when it comes to tiktok because american companies have done tremendous harm to american people. >> shannon: he says this is somehow xenophobic motivation to go after china. tiktok creating privacy concerns in the same ways. >> we're racist, but the chinese are not, i don't understand the logic, blame america first. every national security

administration has said it is a national security threat and we banned it in the congress, right? if we banned it in the congress, it is too dangerous for us to have, why in the world is it safe enough for children to have? it is a backdoor spy balloon to your phone, it can collect data and message to you. i've marked a bill out of my committee constitutional framework to ban tiktok and i think congress is going to move forward on this. one thing from the hear accident in bipartisan way both sides of the aisle were standing together saying this was a threat to our children and we need to stop it. >> shannon: several american companies are heavily invested or producing innin choo, meeting in beijing this week, according to wall street urnl judge, tim cook from apple. what point do american companies who benefit off being there have obligation to speak out against things in conflict with interest, things happening with young people and kids through the products?

>> it is profit versus national security. i deal with this all the time. are we going to export technology that go into the hyper sonic technology? the spy balloon had american components in it. is it right to make profit exporting technology to chinese they put in their war machine they could turn against us in taiwan and the pacific? i don't think so, we have to appeal to sense of patriotism in this case. national security outweighs profit incentive. >> shannon: our time is up, thank you for coming back, good to have you. up next former president donald trump held a rally last night in texas railing against reports he could be indicted in the coming days, we have a conversation on what the legal battle could mean for trump and the rest of the country. our legal experts join us next. >> this program is brought to

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>> shannon: former president trump could be indicted as soon as tomorrow. the manhattan district attorney is investigating whether trump violated campaign finance laws in a hush money scheme. there are skeptics across the legal and political spectrum. trump slammed the investigation last night at a campaign rally. we will bring in analyst brit hume, george washington law professor jonathan turley and former south carolina congressman and prosecutor trey gowdy and author of start, stay or lead. gentlemen, first brian is live with more on the president's

comments last night. hello. >> bryan: we expect the jury to meet tomorrow and expect them to hear from one final witness that will testify in front of them before they decide on whether to indict former president trump. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is said to be investigating whether trump violated campaign finance law by making hush-money payment to adult porn star stormy daniels in 2016. there is major dissension over the potential weakness of the case. da alvin bragg is under intense pressure to drop the prosecution, republicans calling it a witch hunt. trump warned indictment could bring death and destruction, trump posted photo of himself holding a baseball bat next to bragg's head. on friday a death threat was mailed to the da's office.

>> twice impeached former president rhetoric is reckless and irresponsible. it is dangerous and if he keeps it up, he's going to get someone killed. >> trump has been fundraising off news of possible indictment and on saturday held a presidential campaign rally in waco, texas. >> when this election is over, i will be the president of the united states. [cheering] >> you will be vindicated and proud and the thugs and criminals who are corrupting our justice system will be defeated, discredited and disgraced. >> bryan: democrats express concern alvin bragg's investigation could undermine more significant, the classified documents, georgia election interference and the january 6 probe.

shannon. >> shannon: bryan llenas, thank you. let's discussion with brit hume, trey gowdy and jonathan turley. more of what the president had to say last night about this potential prosecution. >> the innocence of people makes no difference whatsoever to these radical left maniacs. it is worse actually in my opinion, hard to believe anything could be worse than this, but than ballot stuffing or media manipulation by the fbi working together with twitter, facebook and the rest. >> shannon: start with you, he talked about the idea of prosecutorial discretion and a tool in the tool box against him. talk discretion prosecutors have? >> what is being done is something most of us consider beyond the pail. break is taking a mechanic,

which has expired, statute of limitations and boot strapping that into a felony and intends according to reports to prove a federal crime that department of justice declined to prosecute. now that effort, he's losing the court of public opinion, a poll came out showing 60% of people viewed this as politically motivated. he's playing to a jury pool in new york, likelihood of finding a trump supporter is about the same as finding a tricerotops. he has judges that will look and say wait, you're a state prosecutor and going to prove a federal crime? i think he has a rough road ahead. what he's done is handed trump proof positive of his long narrative. this is a political prosecution. >> shannon: brit, "new york

post" wrote about this and agree this is a political prosecution. trump has every right to be upset, rather than seek vindication in the courtroom or make a speech, trump wants to inspire a mob time and time again. trump's think responses are unhinged and self-defeating. sounds like the professor thinks this case doesn't happen or falls apart or there is indictment without conviction is the president stepping on his victory? >> brit: i think so, this prosecution by alvin bragg on the theory he's espousing will help trump politically. i have my doubts. that issue has to be looked at in two ways, one what effect might it have on the republican nomination and my guess it won't have that much effect. when you turn to the question of whether he could bent again, as

question, would this prosecution motivate a single voter who did not vote for him in 2020 to vote for him in 2024? the answer is pretty clear. i don't see a single voter who refused to vote for trump four years ago or three years ago turning in his favor now after he's been indicted and might be indicted for further investigations of the kind outlined by bryan llenas. >> shannon: a lot is about perception. the "wall street journal" says this, if mr. alvin bragg acts, the president will be set. america will officially become a country like bolivia or fill feigns where prosecutors arrest leaders of rival political party. trey, is that overstating it? we know the feds looked at this case and decided to drop it. this district attorney thinks by reports we're getting it is worth while to pursue.

>> trey: it is georgia, kim is right, justice system is at a dangerous point. anyone who doesn't think we can find a red state prosecutor to go after a democrat, the justice system, she wears a blindfold for a reason, she's not supposed to care about political, race or gender this is weakest of the cases president trump is under investigation, factually weak, legally weak, you have statute of limitation problems, witness credibility problem and alvin bragg has found a crime he thinks is worth pursuing, not resisting arrest, not shoplifting, not drug offenses, he thinks paying hush money. he doesn't think prostitution should be illegal, but paying for silence. dangerous point, last point, the president runs risk of doing what they said not to do in the

count of monte cristo. he's in a good spot, do not blow it talking about death and destruction and holding a baseball bat. >> shannon: question now about who the other witness the grand jury may be hearing from. last week they did hear from robert costello who worked with michael cohen. cohen said he wasn't represented by him. he gave different set of events, he said cohen was lying then or now. fox news says two similar sources told fox news digital grand jury was cancelled amid major dissension within the district attorney's office. the district attorney is having trouble due to weakness of the case. how much do you think robert costello's testimony may have affected them? you have seen six e-mails, i have additional questions?

>> jonathan: it is telling, grand juries don't normally rake prosecutors over the coal to get an indictment, you have them at hello. if he's having trouble, it is indicative how weak this case is. most damaging aspect for costello, he said he brought 300 e-mails with him and said these contradict what cohen says. the jury may not have seen those. if the grand jury believe they are only seeing part of this picture, but decent within the office is equally important. it is a weak case. we can talk about georgia, it is fairly weak, it is more conventional, there is greater threat in mar-a-lago, well trod ground for prosecutors, new york is political prosecution and i think you have to call it. a lot of prosecutors may be

getting sticker shock on this one and saying this is too costly to our office. >> shannon: we have the house gop going back and forth with alvin bragg's office saying we're going to have you testify, come here, we have questions how you are running your office. alvin bragg firing back, you do not have jurisdiction, we will not show up for anything. "wall street journal" says this, house gop takes alvin bragg's bait, they have a warn. house republicans are hurting their own cause, one thing to denounce mr. alvin bragg as weak and unjust, another to look like defending trump is the main occupation. what about that point? >> brit: it is fair to view this effort by the house committee as an attempt to please the trump base. i think it might be wise to stay out of it, the case is falterring and we have to ask this question, shannon.

why on earth was mr. costello allowed to testify? normally when grand jury is on virge of indicting someone and prosecutor running the show, they don't usually invite witnesses damaging to their cause to come testify, which this prosecutor did, which raises question whether he is trying to find a way out of this and allow this testimony to go forward for that reason. again, suggests what the house committee is doing is probably unnecessary for the legal point of view and foolish from political point view. >> shannon: trey, quick final word from you? >> trey: it is not going to work, power to subpoena is good as power to enforce the subpoena. it will not be enforced. thousand reasons to criticize alvin bragg, he will not come before congress and justify himself. >> shannon: thank you. new reporting on president biden assessment of hisson vice

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>> shannon: donald trump refusing to let up on his attacks on his p20 rifle, lashing out at >> ronna: last night calling him overrated, time to see what the group things, emory, lis smith, and town hall.compolitical editor guy benson. welcome, everybody. we'll get to that about mr. desantis. he also last night was talking about prosecution he calls persecution out of new york. what happens this week? >> guy: your guess is as good as mine, i was convinced last week this indictment was coming. they seemed determined, alvin bragg and his team to do this. weird delays and punted into another week and rumors about how the grand jury was going

wobbly and lost the plot on this and maybe have a problem in alvin bragg's office. the thing is that is crucial, it is not just conservatives and trump supporters attacking alvin bragg and this case, other people from across the spectrum and democrats are getting nervous, my guess is alvin bragg is getting incoming from different sources and perhaps this is derailing, we'll see. >> shannon: i thought he would spend more time talking about that last night, but he spent plenty time talking about florida governor >> ronna:. here is a sampling. >> i did rallies for ron that were massive rallies and they were very successful. we got the nomination. we then got him the election. remember one thing, florida has been tremendously successful for many years, long before this guy became governor. in fact, probably as or more

successful than it is now. >> shannon: i'm guessing the governor would take issue with that, the president polls well ahead of >> ronna: who is not officially in the race. >> clearly the former president going after governor desantis means this is where he sees his biggest fight. what is interesting is what you mentioned, polls, recent polling shows republicans want their nominee to be the former president. that is a change, in february, it was tied 33% and in december governor desantis was leading the former president. now it looks like the former president is by large leading the party and also the indictment potential actually helping him. it will mean more campaign dollars for the former president. remember in august, the fbi was to go into mar-a-lago, campaign wise bringing in like $180,000 per day and then went to a

million. this helps the former president because of the indictment in new york. >> shannon: do democrats want this to happen to the former president? do they like this to happen, they think he will be easier to take out th ron desantis or nik haley. >> it is not a silver bullet, let's be real, this attack is largely baked in against donald trump, people know he paid hush money to a porn star to cover up an extra marital affair. which he denies. either they are okay with it or not. democrats want future indictments. we make mistake sometimes as democrats by thinking there is divine intervention that will help us beat donald trump. if he is nominee, it will be a

fight on the issues. >> shannon: we are figuring out who is going to be the nominee on the other side. ap has this, biden approval dips near lowest point, notched 38% in newest polling, 45% in december. that is not where he wants to be in making this opinion. >> it is not surprising, he starts presidency with a $1.9 trillion spending package, economists on the left and right agree. a border that remains out of control. in fighting within his administration about that, a city called east palestine that was covered in a toxic cloud, and administration that wasn't atentative and now a banking crisis ensuing. who will say this is better than four years ago? nobody will say that. you see it reflected in polling. only shocking thing about this

poll, this is not lowest he's been, he's been lower before. reality is he is getting bad marks and democrats are in a position where they don't know what to do. joe biden is the only guy they can put forward? >> shannon: reuters gets to this and his thinking on this reelection according to their sources about the vice president. democratic sources say biden has frustration about her work and convinced neither harris nor any other democratic hopefuls would be able to beat former president donald trump if he is a nominee, factor that influenced biden inclination to run again. lis, what do democrats do? what is plan b or c? >> joe biden will be the nominee, i caution everyone not to read too much in the polls right now. look at 2022, trend lines were worse for joe biden than they are right now. people were predicting a red wave, democrats would get wiped

out and he had the best mid-term performance for any incumbent in 60 years. why is that? they are not referendum and 2024 is choice between joe biden, delivering on infrastructure improvements -- >> definitely running? >> yes, he will definitely run. republicans have to get out of fighting culture wars and espousing conspiracy theories otherwise continue to hemorrhage moderate voters. >> shannon: we'll talk about that coming up, guy, quick word? >> the president's approval rating is terrible, the vice president's approval rating is worse. most don't want him to run again. >> shannon: panel, stick around, we will talk about culture war issues, up next heated showdown over how much information parents should have about what is happening inside their kid's

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will ban books, censure libraries and bully children. >> the parent can know what is being taught in school. it is saying parents can look at readings material and see what money is being spent on school board. >> shannon: house democrats and republicans feuding over parent bill of rights, probably dead on arrival in the senate. vince, they sound like two different bills. >> vince: totally different, left is critical of book bans, same party that moved to kill "to kill a mockingbird," and reality, taxpayers spent 8% on spending on schools nationwide,

that includes transparency. if your child can't read by third grade, the school has to tell you, it is so important. if teachers have a curriculum, post it, make it available to parents and parents need to meet with teachers twice a year, simple expectations. all parents are for it, the idea you can demonize this bill is outrageous, this is the thing americans would expect congress to do with their money. >> shannon: the man who runs the senate chuck schumer says it is dead on arrival, is this pr optics game by gop? >> 100%, it is messaging bill, has no life after getting passed in the house, this is house republicans. going into 2024, why do republicans want to make this a talking point, according to pew research, parents and how kids are involved in education is a

top priority and close to where it is sitting now, glenn youngkin, this is how he was able to win the governorship, focusing on education, he won independent voters and suburban women. republicans view this as way to potentially drive this message home to win 2024. >> shannon: this is what the hill says about what is in the bill. the measure require schools to publish curriculum publicly, mandate parents are able to meet with their children's teachers and give information to parents when violence occurs on school grounds. >> kudos to the people who wrote this bill, it sounds like innocuous, who would be against safer schools if you scratch the surface, this is attempt to bring culture war to last place they should be, america's classroom. >> this is defense against culture war.

>> why do i say this? democrats said this looks like state efforts that led to book bans, censorship. -- book banning, republicans rejected it, amendments to prevent censorship of black history, holocaust, republicans rejected those. >> shannon: i don't think anybody is saying don't teach the holocaust? >> then why would they reject preventing censorship of this? >> shannon: sometimes they call them poison pills, they add things to a bill -- >> a messaging amendment to a messaging bill. >> one counter, they did allow amendments from lour lauren boebbert. they were allowing amendments and the fact they are allowing amendments like that and not banning of books suggests to me this is culture

war in sheep's clothing. >> they have been using girl's rooms and dignifying a lie is not happening. >> we have seen censorship of the holocaust across the country and schools want to teach both sides of the holocaust. >> that is crazy town and i don't think anybody supports that. that is what happens in the house all the time. culture wars are in school and aggressors over and over again are the left. and teachers unions and other people have agendas. republicans are saying, if they shove this stuff at kids, we want to notice this and have a say and push back against it. i'm glad you read the hill's description of the bill, every house democrats voted against that measure and it seems like what the republicans will argue is democrats view engage and inform parents as a problem.

republicans view it the other way and would be happy to have that debate >> shannon: this is at same time we have interim report from the house judiciary committee, weaponization of government about the fbi tracking parents and investigating them, none of the school board related investigations resulted in federal charges highlighting political motive behind the attorney general actions, silencing critics of radical education policy. that is interim report, republicans doing what they said, go after and investigate this. >> exactly. take note of what the fbi director said on fox news, they only go after and look at this if there are physical threats against people. they do not block parent's amendment rights showing up at school boards. going back to 2021, had school board go to the president and say we need federal help. >> shannon: we got to go tal or

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founding member of dc, one of the most ground breaking groups in christian music. singer songwriter toby mac is a solo act, selling out arenas across the country. this latest tour is promoting album born out of tragic loss that threatened to shake his faith. ♪ rock that, i will build my life. you remain. the sun goes up. >> toby: the way my songs connect with people, i write about what i'm going through, i'm not that different from everybody out there. ♪ >> shannon: toby mac is no

stranger to tackling tough subjects in music, right now performing on hits deep tour featuring songs he wrote while dealing with the grief of losing his oldest son. >> i remember driving to my first writing session and i'm like, am i really going to walk in this room, a writing session with the guys and act like everything is normal when it is so far not? >> shannon: in 2019, his 21-year-old son truett died of accidental overdose. >> my heart is shattered, how can i do what i did before? it felt really strange to me and it felt so sad. ♪ >> ain't no doubt about you. >> shannon: he channeled the grief into new songs to help millions of listeners find midst in their own suffering.

>> you guys were so gentle with me, i wrote a song "faithfully," it talks about when my world broke into pieces, you were there, when i cried out, jesus made a way for me. i wrote about that, it was very dear song to my heart about how god is kind to me and the hardest place and deepest valley. >> shannon: have you heard from other people? i have to imagine they have been so touched by this music? >> yeah, i've heard from a lot of people that have lost loved ones. i wouldn't want to be the guy that wrote that song that met them where they were, but i'm that guy. and god is going to use everything, i believe that. >> this is my hometown. >> shannon: toby mac was born toby, in fairfax, virginia and

shot to fame for dc rock, with classmates while studying at liberty university. at 58, his performances, still high octane. >> shannon: do you feel the wear and tear of doing the shows the way you do them? >> i love doing them. this is my 13th show tonight in my hometown i grew up in, came to shows here, i plan on leaving every ounce of anything on that stage tonight. >> shannon: you're warmed up. >> i'm warmed up. >> shannon: each night he takes the stage with musicians and singers who make up their band spreading message of god's goodness. >> shannon: how do you go about writing music and songs, how does it all come together? >> a lot of different ways, typically it starts here. i love to write around people, i love human relationship, i think we're more beautiful as a human

race when all our colors are represented and when we're welcoming to each other. a lot of times i write, you know, a hook of a song before i walk in the studio. many, many times i remember writing help is on the way. i walked in to the guy's studio, maybe midnight or midday, they have early -- >> never late. ♪ >> stand by what he claimed. i lift him up. ♪ >> shannon: long-term what do you want your legacy to be? >> interestingly enough, backstage matters to me as much or almost more than on stage. not just my life at home, of course that matters to me. backstage matters to me, what happens in these halls of an arena, what happens at catering and church, if not community and

praying for each other backstage, if we take the stage, aren't we just hypocrites? we want people to be fully entertained, but night also they are reminded that god loves them. ♪ the ground is sinking sand. [cheering] >> shannon: toby mac back on with stops in arizona and texas. quick note my podcast living the bream is out this week. pastor jeffress, will join me talking about deep friendship in midst of suffering, one of my stories in "the love stories of the bible speak." it is out this tuesday, download to my podcast by heading to foxnews podcast.com. that is it for today, thank you for joining us, i'm shannon bream.

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