people he was serving and that worked. and how will you work to honor his legacy and the work that you do? moving forward? continuing i think it's a great question. continuing doing what i'm doing. he was a very charitable guy supported a lot of the things i believed in that he believed in and just working every day to make the city a better city because we both love the city and #### reardon loved los angeles. in that spirit. we are playing randy newman and showing you l. a city hall lit up in the colors of the l. a flag in honor of richard reardon. as is the sixth street bridge. thanks for watching we'll see you next week for more of the issue is. this could be the week that 2024 becomes official for democrats.

>> my plan is to run again. >> within days we expect president biden to officially announce his reelection campaign despite lukewarm approval ratings. and former president trump takes shots at governor ron desantis and runs up the score board in their shared home state of florida. >> president trump has shown to be a great president. and asa hutchinson plans to make his white house primary bid official. >> you get in there and make your case. >> he is our exclusive guest this morning as he prepares to take on trump and a growing field. then the supreme court dragged into the heated abortion debate once again less than a year after overturning roe v. wade. >> and an irs whistle-blower says president biden's son may be preferential treatment under

federal investigation. >> my client wants to come here with no political agenda. >> we'll ask dgle about the whistle-blower and what she thinks of s chances in 2024.n another quietn change that could add to mortgage costs for some buyers. is it fair to raise fees on those with good credit? >> hurricane katrina took her home, but not her home. singer pat cohen on finding strength while singing the blue. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news. early this morning u.s. special forces rushed to evacuate american embassy staff from sudan's capital. the pentagon says the operation was fast and clean. service members spent less than

an hour on the ground. it comes amid a week of bloody battles between the paramilitary. amid heavy fighting, violence continuing despite a truce, we will continue to bring you updates. coming up will the he or won't he debate may final i will be over for democrats. president biden expected to announce this week that he will run again if clarifying the central question for democrats do they want him for a second term if clarifies the stakes for republicans as they gear up to choose their nominee in the next year. in a moment governor asa hutchinson said he will announce he is running in the republican party going straight at former president trump. first let's go to lucas tomlinson for the details on what biden's announcement could look like. >> the president plans to make it official on tuesday with the release of a pre-recorded video message announcing that he is running for reelection.

it ramped up in earnest after his return from ireland. we're not going to talk about what 2024 will look like. i'm not going to talk about that from here. >> the white house is mum, but his announcement is months in making. >> a new poll from the associated press says 73% of americans do not want him to run again including a majority of democrats. the democrats by and large say they're likely to vote for him if he is the nominee. the president faces two declared democrat challengers. robert f. kennedy junior. >> it is like running against someone in your family. i think i'm in a better position to beat donald trump than joe biden. >> marianne williamson, who made it to the debate stage, is also challenging biden. the president's announcement

comes the same week that his son hunter's lawyers are scheduled to meet with the justice department. on the republican side, former president trump continues to lead in the polls. a new poll has his leading ron desantis 51% to 38%. a reversal from four months ago when desantis was ahead. trump received endorsements from nearly a dozen florida congressman. >> if governor desantis runs, he is not likely to announce his candidacy until after the florida legislative session ends about two weeks away. >> lucas, thank you very much. joining us now, former republican governor of arkansas, asa hutchinson, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, it is always good to be with you. >> there is no point in running unless you're going straight at former president trump. you right now in the polling are at 1% or less in the recent polls. you know going after him is like

walking into a buzz saw, why are you doing it? >> it is important. what america does not want is another repeat of 2020 where we have joe biden and donald trump running against each other. that is reflected in the polls certainly on the democrats side. and so we don't want to repeat that. it takes alternatives. i have a great record of consistent conservative as arkansas governor. experience at the federal level, and while i come from a small state, it is a successful conservative state that has a booming economy, lower taxes, and so i'm running because i think that we need alternatives and new leadership. >> president trump took a lot of heat for hemming and hawing on if he would pledge to support whomever the gop nominee ends up being. will you support the nominee if it is him?

>> well, you know we have negotiated with the republican national committee on the terms of the debate. i expect to be on the debate stage. i don't prefer party loyalty oaths, but it is important to have the competition. i expect to be on the debate stage. >> okay, you could be facing flovrn governor ron desantis. you have been critical about him getting involved as a conservative in direct corporate affairs and business as he has with disney there in florida. here is how he explained his position and what went on there. >> in reality disney was enjoying their own subsidies. it is not free enterprise but a

company taking that and waging war on families and children. >> so when they have special statuses in a state and uses them to fight the battles that it is fair to engage with them on that front? >> well, i don't believe if you're on the left or the right of the political spectrum that government should not be telling business what they can and cannot do in terms of speech. and however you describe it, it appears to me that the governor did not like what disney was doing in terms of what they were saying and exercising speech so they're being punished. now you know those special privileges go to different businesses in florida. i let the legislature handle that. but i think it is important that we make sure that we don't become heavy handed in government to punish those that are creating jobs for americans

and creating income and groi. that is not what republicanism is about. that's not what a conservative is about. so those are fine distinctions, but it is important that we talk about freedom and the free enterprise system, and that is what i have supported through my career and not government telling business what they can and cannot do. >> do you agree then that ron desantis is getting it wrong on disney? >> i think he is getting it wrong on disney. i think disney got it wrong themselves from the beginning. you don't use the heavy handed government to punish a business. so yes, i think that is wrong and i think that is indicating of motivation to go after business because you disagree with their policies and what they're saying. the left does that. i don't want the right, the conservatives, to do that either. >> let's talk about abortion. you signed what became one of the strictest abortion laws in the country. basically very few exceptions

except for the risk of the life of the mother. you said in recent day '24 this will be less of a ho you know t really motivated the left. are you being optimistic about how it will play out in '24 and what happens to women in arkansas that end up with an unplanned pregnancy. >> i think it will be an issue in 2024, but after the decision i expect that it will level out and i don't think that it will be quite as hot of a hot button issue. people want to vote their conviction. they want to know what candidates they can believe in. i think it is important that we restrict abortions to save the lyes of the unborn. i do think there has to be reasonable exceptions like the life of the mother, and in cases of rain and incest i think there is broad agreement in america on that. we also have to make sure that we provide for the materna

care. we have to do betterrth care an services. that's what we have done in arkansas is invest in those as well as we placed restrictions on abortion and limited that. it is up to the states to determine that right now. i think there will be continued debate if we need a national standard, and that will depend on if you have a divided government, if you have democrats take control or republicans take control, and then you have two choices. will you lift all of the restrictions on abortion or will you place reasonable restrictions that will save the lives of the unborn. and that is the republican and my position. >> let's talk about the idea of a federal ban. you mentioned this should be about the state level at this point. susan b. anthony pro life group says that is not a pro-life position. saying the issue should be decided at the states is an endorsement of abortion up until

the moment of birth. brutal late term abortions like california and new jersey, they're calling for a 15 week minimum. if you had both houses of congress, and president hutchinson, would you sign it? >> i have always signed pro-life bills. and if a pro-life bill comes to be and has restrictions that are property i would assign it. it will be reserved by the states because that's what the pro-life community fought for for 40 years. it is evident to me that the democrats are going to push for a national standard that over rules the states that allows a broad abortion access up until the time of birth. the democrats are going to push for that and there will be more pressure on the republican side and on the life side, to put in

those reasonable restrictions. so i would support tha restrictions are in place and that if we can, have a national standard to help save the lives of the unborn. >> let's talk about another hot button issue, transitions for patients and people under the age of 18. people have argued that your position is not truly conservative. you vetoed a bill that would have prohibited hormone treatment or puberty blockers for people under the age of 18. the federalist wrote "clearly this is a fight that government should be involved in in the same way that government involves itself in under age drinking or sex. there is also room to be court jesters. he, meaning, should not be welcomed back by conservatives with open arms." you say it is a choice want

between the patients and doctors, but how do you come down differently from abortion? >> that is what is conservative about this. you debate and think about the role of government when it should step in. i would have signed a bill very quickly if it had been just prohibiting transition surgeries for minors, absolutely. but you have to debate it a little more when you interfere with the health care decisions that a parent making. we don't want the government to tell parents when they can, or can't, or have to have vaccines for children. we fight for the role of parents. these are good debates that conservatives have. there is bills that i would sign. there is bills that go too far. when there was not a grandfather dmrauz that i vetoes -- vetoed it, but there has been other

bills that accomplish those objectives. you're always debating is this the right role of government to interfere with parental decisions. i came down in a limited fashion and said that parents have an important role to play here. >> i want to quickly ask about the debt ceiling. you voted for the debt ceiling during your time in congress. essentially the speaker is taking the american people ransom and holding people hostage. if people is voted for this before, why shouldn't they this time around? >> speaker mccarthy is doing a good job outlining a frame work to get federal spending under control. it is reasonable, it is a frame work. president biden should sign off on that very quickly. but you know, in the end we're going to have to make sure that the full faith and credit of the united states is maintained.

but this is a very reasonable thing to say we'll extend the debt that we need to do as a country, but please give us a framework for bringing out of control federal spending into a reasonable level. and so i fully support the arguments that speaker mccarthy has laid out. and we need to reduce that federal spending. >> all right, governor, we'll see you out there on the campaign trail, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you, shannon. >> this week you heard kevin mccarthy is working now on winding up the republican votes needed to pass this debt ceiling package proposed. up next, we'll ask democratic congresswoman debby dengle about calls for the president to quilt stalling and get to the negotiating table. sam who make...? ...everyday products... ...designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder - that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius!

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within a few days president biden is expected to announce a reelection campaign. polls show there is a relatively negative view of the job that he has done so far. joining me now to discuss, a democratic congresswoman, debbie dingell. >> good morning, good to be with you. >> the president is under water for approval points. we have polling in key states like new hampshire. how worried are you about a potential lack of enthusiasm on the '24 election for this president and should he give someone else a chance?

>> i'm not worried at all. you will remember who you're talking to. i'm telling all of you in 2014 that i thought donald trump would win. on election night i was debating if he would win. i'm out there, talking to people. i'm in communities and you don't know who he will be running against. in the midwest people think joe biden understands their challenges. they think that he is someone that cares. when we're in the midst of a campaign you will see strong enthusiasm and compassion for the election next year. >> one of the things he has to deal with here domestically is the debt ceiling. the house gop budget, he has that from the speaker and is laying out a plan. here is what he says.

>> you should be able to disagree and sit down and talk about your differences. i believe we have to get our financing with -- finances, our debt, under control. >> you also said this has to start progressing. what is your message for the white house this morning? >> i have two messages here. i want to be very clear that raising the debt ceiling is a separate discussion from spending. it is making sure we pay our bills. we did it three times in the trump administration. president trump and president reagan said you should not play games with raising the debt ceiling. it hurts us internationally with where we are now. we need to pay our bills, we need to honor them, and if we were to in any way shape, or form debt fault on our spending, our working men and women would

have immediate consequences of increased credit card bills, mortgage payments, et cetera. anyone that knows me, let's get the debt ceiling done. let's not play games. it is already hurting what will ham in our economy, do i think that we should all be talking about how do we cut our spending? i'm always somebody that says sit down at the table, talk to each other, listen to each other. i think it is very important. i'm concerned about the budget this week, and i'm not sure if he has votes for it or not. i'm not sure some republicans want to cut education. that will hurt veterans health care. it will hurt meals on wheels, cancer research, first responders. i think we should look at who should be paying their fair

share. i want to bring manufacturing back. that budget will continue to support off shoring. i want to sit at the table, have discussions, joe manchin is right, president biden is right, everybody is right. we have to work to reducing our spending go it in a right way that it doesn't hurt working men and women and helple billionaires and corporations who are not paying taxes. >> as we noted on the now, president biden said he was a no vote on the senator on the debt ceiling because he said it was rewarding reckless spending. the tables have turned. we'll see how they do on that. the speakers proposed getting people back to work. those who are able bodied and don't have dependents at home. he said the culture of welfare must replaced with a culture of work, of self sufficiency, and self responsibility. we have ten million job openings in this country. three quarters of americans back

work requirements. why not as part of this proposal get people back to work again. if they're able bodied and there are no dependents at home. >> i do want to see people get back to work. if they can. we do have job openings, but i want to talk about the challenges that people are facing in the workforce. you just talked about it. women are the ones that left the workforce in covid more than anybody. childcare was not available, it was too expensive 54% of people in this country are caring for someone that is elderly. we have to have the support system in place so they can get back into the workplace. >> but on these proposals, it doesn't apply to people that have dependents at home or pregnant women. >> look, i think everything should be on the table. that's why we go to the table to talk about it. but i also want to say there are people that want to work that

are not able to work either. let's sit down, let's talk about how you do it, but i want people to understand that i have talked to so many people who want to go back into the workplace, but for many different reasons cannot do it. and i think we have to address that as well. caregiving, being, i think the biggest issue. the president this week laid out addressing that issue, but care giving makes all other work possible and we have a crisis in this country. >> let's also talk about tax dollars when it comes to foreign policy. this week the special investigator overlooking afghanistan and what is happening with money there, he testified and said he is being sto stonewalled by this administration to track the money we're sending into afghanistan. here is some of what he said. >> unfortunately as i sit here today, i cannot assure this committee or the american taxpayer that we're not currently funding the taliban.

nor can i assure you that the t diverting the money that we're sending from the intended recipients which are the poor afghan people. >> that comes on the backs of this headline from the washington post. afghan has become a terrorism staging ground again. how do you reassure the people that our money is not flowing to terrorism. >> i sincerely hope our money is not flowing to terrorism. i think pentagon has to do a better job showing us that that is not happening but i am worried about -- i spent so much of my career trying to help the women in afghanistan and what is happening to them now makes me so devastated that we need to ensure that those dollars are going where they're intended in a way that we can get them there and i think we need to ask questions and get answers. but we have a lot of people in afghanistan that helped us as

americans there and we need to be helping them. >> especially getting those out that were counting on that promise. i want to ask about a whistle-blower that came forward this week. democrats and they essentially say they have information there may be political problems going on with a potential case there. it is believed to be about hunter biden. would you want to hear from that whistle-blower? >> so i have two different things that i want to say. one, i want to make it really clear that president biden has made it clear since he went into office that there should be an independence of the justice department in any investigation. i think he tried to make that clear. i support whistle-blowers. as a matter of fact, i think whistle-blowers should be able to come forward and give us information, protect their identity, and offer information to put protections around him. i have to no details of the case.

i'm not going to speculate, but whistle-blowers play an important part in the government if they believe there is wrong doing and they need to be protected. >> quickly the supreme court living the abortion pill on the market while the legal fight about it plays out. i want to read you something from a pro-life obgyn that wrote about this battle and that the fda ignored safety regulations with the bill. they fast tracked it using the drug approval committee. they say 7% of women that use it early in pregnancy need follow up surgery. up to 15% hemorrhage and 2% will have an infection. why should that not be part of the conversation, legal and otherwise. >> the number one priority that the fda needs to be about patient safety. i don't think the supreme court, and i think they made that clear this week, you hadthat sent it

and said let the fda do their job. i think a lot of people don't understand that they wanted to ban a drug that also is used in cushinges syndrome. it helps fibroid endometriosis. i'm certainly not in a position to know, i'm not a medical expert, nor are the supreme court justices, and we have agencies designed and set up to do the scientific process and that is where i think the responsibility belongs. >> we'll watch that legal battle play out. thank you, congresswoman, dingell for your time. . up next, our sunday panel joins us on the polling that shows one of those potential

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between. in florida we deliver big victories every single day. we reject the culture of losing that is infected the republican party in recent years. >> florida governor ron desantis. time to discuss with our sunday group, politico contributor, ron williams, former senate candidate from washington state and now chairman of rescues the american dream tiffany smiley. welcome, everybody. let's start there. ron desantis was in town this week. he was gripping and grinning and people that met with him went and endorsed president trump that is racking up the wins on congressional endorsements. i want to play something from congressman steube. >> i have gone up to him, talked

to him, giving him my number, asked him to reach out, and not even one person from reached out. >> a couple weeks ago i was asking, my colleague and i got both senators from florida, all of the house republicans from florida, and this is a problem we kept hearing again and again that he is not accessible. i think after hearing this, greg steube bringing it up in a public fashion, maybe desantis will be better about getting back to you like trump was. but desantis is also starting to be more aggressive. donald trump is doing a campaign gimmick, saying he went to see ron desantis talk, and then promoting trump. i think they will start to be a

stronger presence in the media than trump has been. >> he was in new hampshire and they had this assessment of him "desantis bucks his robot reputation. he worked a diner for over an hour. a flurry of handshakes that they say was unplanned and defies the notion that he lacks retail skills" and in the early states it is very important. >> it matters a lot. he has a rock star status right now. he came to texas, the largest campaign fundraiser for the republican party in houston and in dallas in history raising over a million dollars each. biggest in the history of the new hampshire republican party this past week. and better to make mistakes and start correcting those mistakes earlier rather than later. the idea of him going out there in new hampshire and glad handing people and selfies and residents at the head table, wandering through the audiencet

fuzzy relationship with congressman steube, but what has he done and what is he capable of doing. >> donald trump tops ron desantis in the top of the field. but tucked into that article says mr. desantis leads mr. bide nn a hypothetical contest and donald trump lags behind. when you look at numbers in the polling there is says that people say they want a specific candidate. they don't care as much about who can win the general. will they change their minds in the primary. you have fought through a primary. >> yes, this is really, really early and ron desantis has not even announced yet, but we have an opportunity for robust debate and discussion about affecting the american people.

that's good for our party. the democrats won't have that because they're far left extreme policies are already solidified. and that is why joe biden's approval is in the 30s. the american people are clear. they know the country is on the wrong track. i have seen that theme played out in a survey just done of 2,000 registered voter s across the country with rescuing the american dream. the people want to put politics aside and have discussions about solutions. the best candidate will emerge that can discuss the solutions to help the american people. >> it will be a robust debate. we'll see as we await more decisions and announcements. we'll probably get one from president biden this week. most democrats don't want bide ton run as he readies an announcement. the majority of them remain addiments that he should not run.

when it comes to all voters it says he should run. >> he is clearly, well, anything could happen these days. he could get the nomination, we can expect him to, but if there is a lack of enthusiasm and a outright adversarial feeling about him running, what happens next? >> i think there is just low disapproval. we live in an age of extreme polarized politics imagine just wipe off 50%. wipe off republicans, they're not going to approve of joe biden. >> but a majority of democrats say no thank you. >> first off, he will be the nominee. you heard from lucas tomlinson earlier he will announce on tuesday in a video. i think the fact that trump is running and trump is doing so well is the glue holding lots of factions of the democratic party behind joe biden. i think you have to understand that for people that disapprove of both president trump and president biden, it is according

to a wall street journal poll this week. they prefebiden. they would vote for him if that the alternative. >> karl is shaking his head. >> i think age is a big factor for the people you have been talking about that say this guy would be pretty old if he is elected president. i just think back because i'm an old guy, i think back to ronald reagan and people saying he was the wise old man if is morning in america again and what happened? he won in a landslide. >> and he was in his 60s, not his 80s. there is deep concern about joe biden's ability to handle another four years. 27% of democrats said they preferred him to run. 73% not. monmouth said that 44 have no preference. those are the polite people that

say i don't want him to run. 30. the country can do better than an 82-year-old and a 78-year-old and needs to do better when we face the kind of charges that we face. i agree with the editors of the "wall street journal." he would do the country and the party a service. then someone could rise up to serve eight years more rather than four. >> let me quote the great joe biden. compare me not to the al mighty, but the alternative. >> he is flying home on air force one and that was an embarrassing trip to ireland to watch. it was painful. >> come on. >> you watch the foot an. >> his family wearing a rosary, giving tribute. >> did you see how confused he was with the families. go to the videotape. it was painful. his son has to be at his elbow

to tell him what to do. >> karl, i love you, but let me tell you who had an embarrassing week, desantis a midnight six-week ban on abortion, saying people can walk around with guns without a permit. he is supposed to be the alternative. >> the floridans. >> one quick thing, polls at this point, tiffany is right, they don't mean anything. jeb bush was leading at this point in 2015 and think about this. 30 days before iowa in 2004, howard dean was leading. in 2008, clinton and rudy giuliani. we're going to see the polls go up and down, and people like juan -- >> i'm just saying donald trump is polling -- >> okay! oh boy!

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[charles] yeah. hello. i'm really not sure if this is what you all do. [angela] i left the service last year. i feel so stuck. [paul] i love my family. sometimes it feels like i'm not really here.

[responder] i'm glad you called. we're going to walk through this together. your job is to secure borders. air, land, and sea. in my judgment and it is hard for me to say this because i have known you for quite some time, but you have failed in your job. >> mr. secretary, republicans are criticizing you for not achieving something that no secretary has ever achieved. >> republican congressman mike mccall and benny thompson at a meeting blasting the way he is securing the border but they're using a double standard according to some. we had a stat, foreigners end countered at the border make it's the 25th month in a row they have been above 150,000. is the border under control? >> obviously not, but i would

say it has not been under control for decades. we have not had immigration reform since reagan. it's been that long. the polarizing politics makes it hard for those in congress to act. we saw it under president push, president obama, president trump. what we saw it looked to me like an endless repeat of hearings we saw before. republicans making provocative statements. they don't ask questions that could lead to solutions and resolution about how do we deal with the border, with the fact that people are fleeing oppression, violence, and wanting to come in here under our asylum rules. this is the rules is that we have. those are our laws, and it seems to me that there is no new idea about how we deal with the fact that we have 10 million plus illegal immigrants already in the country. a lot of fear and fire works but

i don't see solutions. >> former president trump would argue that he would change those numbers. that he was trying to institute policies a difference. across the border illegally was dramatically lower under his watch on his watch. in part because he had policies like remain in mexico. he worked it out with the mexican government. our laws say you have to apply for asylum in the country of origin and they're not applying until they cross the border into the united states. if president biden said we'll enforce the law and no one can apply for assylum in the united states. i live in a state where every single day we're negatively impacted by the failure of the administration to enforce the laws of the united states and to provide the necessary resources to get it done. >> congress is not getting it done, but they may have

something else to talk about which is this whistle-blower coming forward. you saw me talking to congresswoman dingell about it. let me play something from the whistle-blowers attorney talking to brett behar. >> a career law enforcement officer who knows how to do an investigation, when he hears a department official say something and in his mind it is directly contradictory to what he knows is going on with the investigation. >> and what he can prove with documents. >> what he can prove with documents and he wants to come forward. >> how much of a headache is this for the administration as the president gets ready to roll out for reelection? >> i think it will be really tough for them. the lawyer was talking about his accolades saying he is not out there for attention. he doesn't have a politic agenda, and he has documents. we know as reporters we love documents that can back up an argument. he is trying to push, and i think that this is the right tact, he is trying to argue that he wants to testify in between a

bipartisan panel so that he can make his argument in a way that it is not being pulled by one side unfairly. i'm sure we're going to see narratives if that does happen and the conversations are beginning. i think depending on what he shares it might add scrutiny to the justice department and the irs investigation they're having into hunter biden and whether or not he is receiving special treatment or not. the white house says that is not true. >> the white house deferred to the doj, the irs, to answer these questions and says he is staying out of it. andy mccarthy says if any of us lied on a form, we would not be waiting five years later to hear if we would be charged. >> this is a major problem not just for joe biden by merrick garden's department of justice. he has been under investigation

since 2018. it speaks volumes to the whistle-blower who is willing to come out knowing they will face scrutiny for this. and they're lawyer is alleging that there is potential perjury of a senior political appointee. clear and present conflicts of interest and conflict of preferential treatment. the american people deserve transparency in this investigation. >> they're using hunter biden to go after president biden. that's why you said president biden -- look, i think that it is not, i just think going after a relative and a child who was an addict with serious problems, i don't see it. >> should they get a pass as a child of a president? >> no. i pose the question definitely. there is a difference between investigators. would you bring charges against this person if his last name was not biden? apparently that is a real --

>> andy mccarthy's case says we would all be in jail. >> lying on a gun purchase form, purchasing a .38 caliber pistol. lose it while you're on illegal drugs, we would be charged with a gun crime. and you lose the gun across the street from a schoolyard and then video emerges of you talking to a prostitute and waving around a gun. >> okay, on that -- >> look, we also have -- >> is that something for indicting the president or is that a false attack on president biden by people who have -- >> hunter gets a pass on getting payments and not paying his taxes, and taking money under the table from god knows who and playing around with a gun because he is the president's son we have to be nice to him. >> let's have this discussion instead of talking about $2 billion that we knew when the to jared kushner and ivanka under

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in the early 2000s my next guess was working full-time in new orleans but was pressing into singing full-time. she found support and community with an organization that helps blues singers in need. today she gigs around the country and shares her strength and her story with the fans that know her as mother blues. >> i always wanted to sing, but more than sing, i always wanted to entertain. >> do this -- >> pat cohen on the moment that she made a leap from part-time singer to full-time entertainer. ♪ rock me baby, rock me all night long ♪ >> i said to myself, i said

self -- >> as we have to do sometimes. >> yes. self, you wanted to come down. you chose new orleans because you wanted to come and you wanted to sing. so either do it or get off the pot, you know what i'm saying? >> that drive helped her become the dominant and welcoming stage presence known today as mother blues. >> i started working on bourbon street and i built myself up to where there was people calling me the queen of bourbon street because i was pulling so many people. i was filling the house every time. >> and then hurricane katrina came and destroyed her city and her home. >> so for you, katrina was devastating in a lot of ways. >> a lot of ways. it was more than losing your stuff. >> but cohen says the after math

made her resilient. >> it taught me how to be really strong. every day i would just cry. when i stopped crying i stopped crying. >> and started fresh. >> you don't accomplish anything by feeling sorry for yourself. you have to keep it moving. >> cohen did move to north carolina where a chance meeting lead her to the musicmaker foundation. a non-profit that supports musicians that perform traditional american blues. musicmaker got cohen gigging again. >> and when things would happen, they were always there. >> and things did happen. cohen lost another home. this time to a fire. so once again you went through losing everything you had. >> i wanted to cry, but i didn't want to cry, i refused. i just decided i was cried out

again. musicmaker was there. >> you have been very determined to keep moeing forward. how does that infuse your singing? >> so i try to do things that are fun. so a lot of my songs are kind of happy. >> happy blues. >> happy blues. >> i wrote this song called "i'm glad nobody treat me bad." ♪ shut your mouth, get out of my house ♪ >> i'm sure that someone can identify with that. we go through a whole lot. you have to be strong. >> yes, thank you. >> our thanks to pat. coming up, the power of friends

willing to literally walk through the fire with you on the podcast. it is one of the chapters of my new book "love stories of the bible." in stores now. i'm shannon bream and we'll see you back here for next "fox news sunday."