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the president framing his case for a second term. and dismissing concerns about his age. and another republican officially jumps into the primary. challenging president president trumpets. >> i'm a candidate for presiden of the united states. >> new hampshire still fully leaving the field. >> 51% with all these people running, 33 points. >> rnc chair has a plan to win back the white house. and whether we are truly in for a 2021 rematch. >> rnc chair mcdaniel only on fox news sunday. and house republicans claimed victory. speaker mccarthy again demanding that president come t the table. many senate democrats now agree saying it is time for the president to get real about a deal to avoid default or be busted down with chris van holland for the latest on negotiations.

>> and -- expects to begin to look over your shoulder. >> one week after a draft opinion on abortion, running reading called the globe review insiders on the lasting impact inside this secret of the nation 's highest court replacing the ethics. and ron desantis on -- as his poll numbers fall. our sunday pamphlets are here a we wait to find out whether he is running all right now on "fo news sunday". >> hello from fox news in washington now both president donald trump are officially running in 2024 get ready to hear the word rematch a lot. the polls indicate voters are not so in these yesterday about the two front runners. many telling pollsters they

would be open to alternatives. in a moment republican national committee chair joins us in studio fear that the biggest issues the party faces heading into 2024. let's turn to a look at the present strategy as he asked fo a second term. >> jammin come after months of anticipation president biden made it official, announcing he will be running for reelection. >> let's finish this job. >> president biden's campaign watch opens on january 6 mick, abortion protests, including an image of former president trump and florida governor ron de santis. biden mentions the word freedom six times in the three minute video. he did not mention his age. the age question came up in the press briefing. >> i plan to serve all eight years. that something for him to decide . >> the press secretary cleared up the confusion later, tweetin the president would serve all eight years the 2024 republican

candidate nikki haley did not mince words. >> teeth 86 years old at that i not something that i think it's likely. >> and potential republican presidential candidate senator tim scott. to go there too. >> the only thing worse than a joe bryden presidency is a commonly harris presidency. >> president joe biden. >> president biden kept lightly. >> kevin mccarthy asked me, joe, what is your secret. >> and this week our fox news poll shows only 44% have a favorable opinion of president biden. 56% say they have an unfavorabl opinion of him. >> we will talk more about thos polls pray thank you so much fo joining me now republican national committee chairwoman. >> thanks for having me. >> it's great to have you.

this is getting a lot of attention. you had a meeting in oklahoma city and i'm told there was going to be a debriefing of this . a gop study on -- does not mention trump. that would produce an incomplet analysis at best fit for this the point of doing an analysis of the republican party if you are not looking at trump, you are just wasting your time. the former president is clearly the biggest in the room for the party and he has great sway and getting presents to the primer with that done well and a chanc to retake the set. how can you break down 2022 without talking about that president. >> lycée first health washingto post does not have a final draf because there isn't one. they've not complete that's all that is inaccurate for porting. the take away we are taking its independence to not break our way, which has to happen for going to win in 2024, which tha is what causes that read way fo abortion was a big issue in key

states like michigan a pennsylvanian so the guidance we're going to to give to our candidates is to have to addres this head-on. the democrats spent 360 million on this and many candidates across the board refused to tal about it. they talk about the economy and ignore this big issue and they can't be at. >> there still people advising republicans that this is bad fo you and it costs you don't do i paid you said you have to take it head-on pretty want them to articulate the democrat positio in so many of them when they arkansas, they seem to stall with the answer. >> i think they can be. it's not just talking about it once, the democrats are putting 360 million against you on tv. those lies become the truth if you don't fight back so you nee to say i'm proud to be pro-life and the consensus, we have to find consensus among democrats and republicans purposely with the democrats are. what abortion is bad idea to democrats, six months, eight

months, nine months. gender selection, if it's a gir you get to abort aborted. tax funded abortions. that is for joe biden was years ago. so i think put them on the defensive end articulate where you stand and that is going to be that critical message that w have to get out before 2024. >> you are talking about issues of early voting and mail in voting. that is something that former president trump was one that railed for against your tf softened a bit but the wall street journal has a question about whether it is too late an the damages done he said his criticism before and since his loss help to chip away at gop faith in early voting polls instructions say that's contributed to election so in 2020 nationwide, it's 2% of democrats voted early and about 30% of republicans. that event equal in 2016. so how do you get people to embrace these methods that say you need to win when there's been such a negative connotatio

around them? >> we did it successfully in 2022 in states like florida and north carolina and ohio so even without harvesting, we beat democrats and three statewide races, nevada and obviously in mind tammy -- montana. we are doing it at the democrat invest more in that. republican investors wait until the candidate is picked at unti the primaries are dying and democrats are always investing in the process. that is why it is so critical. you have to invest early if you're going to talk to them about the importance of making votes early and we need to do that here bake your fault and g be a poll watcher and sign up t work on election day. that is what we are continually working on. we do need to improve on that it's on you. >> and that is such a critical statement. so many of these races others, so let's talk about debates because those are coming. president trump is set that

nobody consulted him or his campaign about the debates you have not so far but i'm assumin you're a conference with him, i that accurate? >> we are in contact with all potential campaigns because not everybody else has announced yet . i've talked to those running th debate committee and met with all the candidates. yes, we are talking with them all the time but we are not asking them where should we hav it and who should be the moderator. that would be up inappropriate. we are going to have a great field in the next president of the united states is going to beyond our stage. >> so he has had some things about whether he will be on a debate stage. let me play a little bit of wha he said. >> if you are even art down you do debates but when you are playing out, what is the purpos of doing the debate paid. >> he also wrote on truth socia committee set if you are leadin by what he is called seemingly insurmountable numbers, why subject yourself to be libeled and diffuse what happens if it does show up. >> that is his choice of every

candidate is going to make that calculation. there going to save the right debate and difficult i will. that is his decision. what i think of the american people want to see these candidates and they want to see what they are it to kelly. >> pretty going to do to help our kids in school who are dealing fentanyl and tiktok. i look at the debate not just about republican against republican. and that is one of the factors is why i would set everybody should get on that debate stage. at. >> because he missed an opportunity or is he, as he says , sparing themselves from potentially taking shots that are tough for any campaign. text he has to make that determination on his campaign will make this determination. people are struggling and the want to see our plan is a party of how we are going to win. also remember, hey, who are we

against britain it is joe biden. he was doing this to our country , joe biden. i think one of the other takeaway said 2022 is we don't just need independence, we need everyone. and we need to bring every republican together and we have states where republicans vote nate races. so we need to come together and know we we are against in november and that is going to b this biden white house that is destroying our country. >> you have to remind the forme president about that because he's been influential in races for georgia a couple cycles bac people felt they were not going to shop because he told them that something in there was going on. >> i think there's a lot of people that need to be reminded that we need to remember that i is joe biden on the voters feel that they feel that angst and they say that to me all the time . we need to bring everybody together because what they're doing to archived its frightening. we are not going to have the america we know and love if thi continues that they stack the

supreme court and get rid of th filibuster and banned of energy independence. china is running this white house in a lot of ways and they are the reason why people are coming across the border and we sold our strategic petroleum reserve to china. this a and a ministration that is more china first and america first in the american people want a president who cares abou them. >> let's talk about the strateg that the president currently ha to go back it took 2024. basically they want to do what they did in 2020 when they vote for him and what worked in the midterm said 2022. lay low and keep the spotlight and they like to call them maga extreme has. mr. 's biggest advantage doesn' come from anything that is that instead it might come from the chaos among republicans picked this is welcome news for the president, right and we heard last night, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. everything from other president trump should be your nominee as

to where to draw the line and where to have that conversation on abortion. how worried are you about the president's message that he is going to point to you and say they are too divisive an extremist and you can't trust them. >> we are seeing them happen. he has had from the american people and does not take tough questions and he does not have to answer for anything. so he is going to hide again an most of the media will allow hi to do that let you think he is worried about one thing. we cannot win if we are not united. if republicans toefl for other republicans, if we are not goin to win, we don't just need all of republicans, we need independence. if -- we got recovers across the country and low taxes and our policies work. it means the white house is not available to us unless we go through approval or blue states and those states are getting -- because red voters are moving t the red states and this is very critical that we understand the path white house runs run not just through tried to put every

single republican getting on board. >> we have everybody sign up an we did this in 2016 and he kind of balked at it at the end is that if you want to be on the stage, i asked governor hutchinson about it and he is officially in in the county did not like the sound of the pledy you think it is so critical if you get on the national republican committee debate stage that you are going to support the eventual nominee an everyone will say yes. they dime and talk a't have to after the. i don't care about that. that pledge is critical to the voters who want to focus more i each other that winning the white house. the board to quickly ask you because we got new polling on this, the issue of transfer

issues people in higher is people are more fully voters ar about a tax on flynn's family said there about trans people competing in sports program has to put issues involving schools the top concern is book banning. now there's a major donor that is unhappiness going to hold it money out because they dislike these debates on abortion and trance and bathrooms and all that. are you worried that these issues are hurting that gop. >> you are seeing a lot of use audited biden large and that th live. republicans are correct protecting children. ron desantis went in front of cameras read some of these book of new scammers had to go away because the material was so explicit. we can have a conversation abou issues invalid but it is his parents should have a say in what is happening with our kids. i think most americans support that. it's good to know that the democrats play that vote and we will push against it.

they're betting beaded freedom of speech and canceling people that are destroying their life if you don't agree with their orthodoxy. this is democratic party who safe you think outside the box and everything dictating, you will lose your job and we will destroy you so they are banning people, freedom of speech and freedom of thought of republicans are protecting children. >> shannon: we will see you on the campaign trail. >> thank you. >> up next, there is renewed pressure on depressed to hold primary debates even with president president the biden a an incumbent and a clear primar for owner. we were asked whether the party should bring in all three should bring in all three declared candidates to the debate stage. this is a leading healthcare system with five nationally ranked hospitals, including two world-renowned academic medical centers. in boston, where biotech innovates daily and our doctors teach at harvard medical school and the physicians doing the world-changing research

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now that the president has officially said he is running again, he faces serious scrutin from democrats. that is in part because he already has two primary challenges and that means pressure to ask lena's record and pressure on the party to hold primary debates. joining me not to discuss democratic senator chris van hollen. welcome back. the president has launched for reelection but he does some against challenging numbers. these are brand-new polls prove he's got a 56% unfavorable rating among registered voters when we pull out everything fro national security to the economy , he is upside down on all of those numbers. folks are giving him a bad report card and that includes democrats who say they don't want to see him run. are you worried about the lack of excitement and dissatisfaction going into 2024? >> i'm not worried because he ethically record and polls will go up and polls will go down. won't change are the facts.

12 million new jobs since he wa elected , including the greatest in manufacturing jobs in 40 years. record low unemployment, 3.5%, the lowest in 50 years so he's got a great economic record to run on. inflation is coming down and that has been an issue. i think he's got a great record to run on and i think the polls will bounce around as they always do but as the president' health estimate, you just quote him. don't compare me to the almighty , compare me to the alternative. >> you talk about the economy but it is not translating to th average american. when people were asked how you're doing personally, 70% of them said things are getting worse for them that is happenin on the presidents watch. >> i think one of things were sitting were seeing in the polling these days is a great polarization between democrats and republicans even on

questions like how are you feeling on the economy. >> the majority of democrats within the poll also said thing were getting worse for them. >> of the issue of inflation, the good news is it is coming downes have now been going off , especially from lower and n e real gains i think they have to continue picked obviously what is in the econom will also change but i think th structural pieces that are set, that is what is going to be important going into the election. >> both nbc and cbs have poll self that show including democrats, they are very bored about the issue of age. even some of his close visors concede his age has significantly limited to schedule. he thinks he is a great president but at the this hard

to ignore the toll of his years no matter how hard the democrat try. he should be taking a victory lap, not watching a reelection campaign. so what about this issue of age. >> i saw the president last night and he was in fighting form. i saw him at the event with the south korean president, again, great press conference. so i think people should judge presence on their performance and their record, not their age pretty on the president has a great record. i talked about some of the economic factors. he is also one of the most protective presidents in recent history when it comes to a legislative record. major bipartisan victories. we had the infrastructure bill. we had the chips and science bill to make sure we are competitive with china and the veterans health care bill and there were also major wince whe it came to bringing down the cost of prescription drugs and deployed more clean energy. so just look at his record.

that is what we should be judging people on, not age. >> what you think of senator jo manchin with very critical of one of those major legislative successes for the white house, the inflation reduction act pretty set is not big implement of the way it was written there was a vote of repeal, he would vote for it. he's been voting like that on the number of key issues recently. he's got a lot of criticism for that. >> joe biden is doing without any senator should do, which is sticking up for his state and h is using his leverage however h can and that is what joe biden is doing. >> excuse me, i'm sorry. that is what joe manchin is doing when it comes to these issues, using his leverage wherever he can. i think if you look at the results of the inflation protection act, people are distinct prescription drug cost come down. that is real.

as the deployment of clean energy and my state of maryland we have 10,000 new jobs because of offshore energy driven by some of the economic consensus and the inflation reduction act paid. >> what you think of the new estimates coming out on the bill . it's going to be way more expensive that we thought was going to be on issues like gree energy. >> first of all, we have some powerful room. the bill reduce the deficit ove a ten year. my fight over $250 billion for the fact that there is a greate appetite for clean energy is actually a good thing when it comes both to jobs in dealing with the climate crisis so that bill has a built-in buffer unlike many of the bills are republican colleagues past, lik that trump tax cuts. this was something that reduce the deficit. >> shannon: we will watch as those numbers continue to come in, ask about the issue up excess because you mentioned th president being out there being vigorous. he doesn't him a serious sitdown . are polar jewels at 76% of

people say he needs to be holding regular press conferences and he is not doing that. he has helped the fewest news conferences since president reagan. the white house is basically hiding biden as the additions for another term protest that lack of access feed this narrative that he is not up to the job and his staff is basically keeping him behind closed doors and that is how they plan to run the campaign, much like they did in 2020. >> the president has been doing what he is doing, which is goin out around the country and meeting with people and talking about the results from his firs two years. he has come to maryland more than any other president in my memory. he's been there multiple times talking about the infrastructure , modernization bill, creating -- making trips faster for commuters. so i think what he is doing is going around the country and talking directly to people that

i know the washington press corps always wants to hear more from the presence of an. we heard from him just the othe day when the south korean president was him -- was here and asked him a lot of questions including the age issues. >> comes in on the poll in 19% and that is a hefty number. is that the only one who says they should have some primary debates. >> i think yes and obligation t debate anyway. i would hope that he does. >> put joe biden upon that page with marianne williamson and whoever is at the plate and let's have a discussion. >> why not correct. >> that is up to the president' campaign. this is early and he just announced his reelection campaign. these are distinctions that every campaign makes with respect to the primary and i think the president is going to keep his eye on the ball, which

is winning the general election and that is what is important. what they decide to do in the primary bid. >> in the meantime they've gott get through this that silly issue which is what you are locked in odd. there's been criticism that say he doesn't want to negotiate on anythingh includes raising the debt se there are democrats within your party who said the president ha made his point but they have to start negotiating. >> what he said is that he's no going to negotiate with people who are threatening to literall blow up our economy and put mor people out of work, drive up costs. that is what he has said. >> that does raise the debt ceiling. >> it does but in order to rais that that ceiling, they're goin to cut law enforcement, cut security and all sorts of things . we are going to put china back in the driver's seat when it comes to clean energy. when the president is saying

he's not going to negotiate wit someone who is actually threatening the economy, taking the entire economy hostage, he will sit down with speaker mc carthy to talk about these issues in the framework of the budget and the appropriations process. they put a plan on the table, much more detailed than what speaker mccarthy just passed. it has $3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next ten years, primarily by asking very wealthy people, billionaires an big corporations to pay more. speaker mccarthy has a plant that has a full 4.5 trillion over ten years through dramatic cuts but threatening the destruction of the us economy. >> shannon: when do they get the flip table. they are clearly far apart. >> what you've got to do with not threaten the economy. so senator mitch mcconnell years ago came to this kind of an impasse and said, okay, if congress doesn't want to do its job and actually pay to make

sure the united states pays the bills, which as we will know, bills that are already due and owing. >> by the way, president biden voted against those as a senator . >> if you want to do that, give the president the authority to do it, subject to a veto, subject to an override. so that is the way to do it. if republicans don't want to do what is necessary to prevent th meltdown of the economy, left pricing i do that and then let' negotiate on important issues o prioritiesyou best achieve deficit reduction. republicans are talk about reducing the deficit but that never want to raise 1 penny in income taxes on very wealthy people. >> shannon: we differently have a difference of opinion on how to get there. >> thanks for coming and. good to see you.

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and ron desantis, i've got a lot of ron desantis jokes here . >> shannon: president biden joking about ron desantis was is trying to read to dct impaired. the spokesperson and fox news perimeter at former utah congressman. at all third legal commentator for scooper repair talk to all of you. you made it through the fibrous party to make it here. let's talk about governorate de santis. this is the political helpline. discount of $110 million ticket to the white house if he sits poised to support his candidacy without total and that is all without him opening an official campaign committee account. jason, you met with other donor over their. bull the money be enough to jumpstart him when the polls that he is liking. >> money does solve a lot of problems. when you have $110 million,

double anybody else, it's going to go a long ways. the super pac is out there spending money on ads and that fight is on with the florida state legislature. the going to pass legislation s he could declare. i think every buddy extent that ron desantis is running for pretzel compared. >> this is among republican primary voters about who they prefer it this point. president trump with a commanding lead at 53%. ron desantis the 21% and we trickled down from their. nikki haley is bumping up a bit. why do you think this field stands. one headline is is donald trump inevitable. is he correct. >> i will just tell you what my experience since 1993 i have no seen after uprights alleged election the loser ending up in surveys prevailing over the victor and get you didn't see i had 93 are 97 or 2001 page you

go all the way at the 2017 and hillary clinton never led donal trump. we are seeing more than a dozen times in the last year donald trump ahead that is a very good position to begin salt there's no doubt that there is still a residual level of support among republicans and apparently amon a large number of americans who may now see the policies of joe biden may regret them. >> polling shows what the first two guess that president biden is not poland well. people are mad at him and all types of topics. your the first one we had, he comes in at nearly 20%. that is against an incumbent president. >> i think there's a lot of interesting things in these polls and i would also note tha the people that have lower approval ratings that joe biden includes dealt trump and ron de santis are people talk about biden's approval rating. his campaign roche.

>> shannon: there almost equal . >> but they are lower. biden team feels good about tha campaign this week. they started with a video about freedom and talking about the things that republicans are doing in and states from bannin books to anti- lgbtq laws may say joe biden is going to go ou talk about the economy and the manufacturing jobs he helped create and his policies have created and the leading candidate on the republican sid is facing multiple criminal investigations. ronna mcdaniel talked about voters that selected joe biden and those the people were very tired of donald trump adult lik ron desantis extreme cultural for policies and the biden team is going after their messaging this week about freedom and about getting the job done. >> and on the issue of economy because we know a lot of voters our polling showed that when we talk about people, 70% say things or giving works for the

families that numbers hire amon independents. will they go to that or what will you say quick. >> i'm going to talk about pocketbook issues and that is president biden's -- i watch his reelection announcement in the video and i didn't say a thing about policy. it didn't talk about the econom and it is not a quince offense because the majority of voters are worried about their economi circumstances. if the volatility of the stock market and and the four o one kays of people are experience hits right around the time of the election, anyone can, or an other republican is capable of winning this election. i think it is keeping democrats up at night to see that there polls show a competitive race between biden and donald trump here this is not the type of blowout that i think some democrats had been anticipating so the economy as a factor and is going to be the biggest issu for the 2024 campaign.

>> proposals to reduce gun violence have enormous support like background checks and things are done with every godzilla in this country, existing gun laws, enforce thos come a lot of people for that. another things he can see here, is there actually, jason, do yo think any appetite to take some of these where there is wide agreement and put them into a piece of legislation. >> certainly guides those that have wide riemann out there. this administration weekly amount of the going direct goal after shooting sports and that is not going to play well particularly in the heartland o the reality is with the divided government not going to have legislation, anything past as a conservative. that i happen to think that is good thing. we are okay with that. joe biden come if he doesn't ge out there and talk about policy it and he has some, and you tal about inflation, what is the planned attack on inflation. nobody knows what the ads if that is because he doesn't have a plan so you combine that with

the inability to communicate in a vice president who was equall as bad at communicating, i thin that type of situation is just right for republicans. >> thomas think they're going t talk about republicans because you heard what nikki haley set this week. she got a lot of backlash for saying that biden not make it t 86 but it does cast a shadow on the person on the ticket. >> there boosting the campaigns that she was all over 16 that's 17 times. their boosting saying or joe biden and you will get kamala harris. presumably that means perhaps i not going to finish his term i would say the real answer here is a threat because she is probably the least popular vice president that we have seen in hundred years and she has improved. she's had to put five years to get better and she is not. one quick thing about that 2022

election. the national journal and the ne york times both came together and they said election day 2022 was 297 electoral votes for the gop and that publican votes outnumbered -- if my dallas cowboys were favored by 20 for the super bow and they only won 3, i would still celebrate. the left has decided that they're going to try a rewrite of what they dated 2022 not a real campaign or a real platform , but just wedge. i don't believe it's going to work. >> shannon: the president is under every major issue and tha could support her immigration title 42 is going away. national review, different publication, here is what they set about the plan, that the biden administration put together, the plan as

lawlessness on top of lawlessness all the way down. they say it is accommodating th wishes of foreigners rather tha the limits that have been put i place by elected officials. >> we heard the secretary of state and homeland security tal about their plan and they're going to surge resources to the borders and have these processing centers to help stem this crush of people that we ar say we've been making policy in bed passing bills and rebuildin their communities and republicans in congress have done nothing about this issue that they seem to care about. it is all rhetoric. >> immigration is one of the weakest issues for the democrats . the white house can talk about what they're doing but once title 42 goes away and you see surge of migrants crossing the border, it's going to be the political misfortune of the democratic party. >> thank you very much. y. up next, one of weakest mysteries.go.

we will discuss with a panel of insiders who know the court ver well next.

>> shannon: one year ago and unknown person kicked off a firestorm biden picking up draf up a separate court ruling on abortion perth of ggested a legal earthquake was coming. as the justices for poised to overturn roe v wade. samuel alito told the wall street journal he has theories about who leaked up draft and why. by panel of legal insiders including multiple supreme cour clerks join me life at first what happened once that draft went public. pro-choice and pro-life groups flooded the streets in front of the supreme court as soon as th high street's draft ruling demonstrations didn't stop there . as abortion rights groups

protested outside the republica justices homes with the justice themselves were stunned at the breach of trust the leak exposed . >> it was beyond anyone's understanding or at least anyone's imagination that somewhat foot deep that. >> john roberts quickly ordered the courts-martial to conduct a internal investigation but afte eight months, a public statemen from the court indicated the marshal was not able to find th leaker or figure out how they did. >> they are left with the follow . >> look where we are, that trus it changes the institution fundamentally pretty begin to look over your shoulder. >> in the months after the end of row, the gallup poll shows americans trust on the court dropped. when asked about the poles, one of the justices who dissent fro that landmark opinion sought to reassure. >> they have to have continuing faith in the court system and

our system of government and continuing the battle each day to regain the public's confidence spirits. >> we have assembled a powerhouse legal panel to talk about this one year after the leak and they say new ethics questions, judicial crisis network informer clerk for justice -- george washington university la professor thurgood marshall, an legal partner and former clerk for justice samuel alito for think you all for giving us you time today. when you're out we still have more questions than answers, most of us. i want to read something from the wall street journal, justic alito speaking out about this. he set i have a pretty good ide who is responsible. was part of an effort to read the draft for becoming the decisions of the courts and tha is how it was used for those si weeks by people on the outside as part of the campaign to tomm

and where we are a year later. >> people never know who leaked this draft opinion in the dobbs case. obviously the standard as justice alito said, it's very high pretty it's clear with the intention of this person was bu it was to influence the outcome to change that decision and the effect was predictable. with solomon's public pressure including protests outside of their homes, threats on their lives and one man and justice s-uppercase-letter doorstep wit the intent to kill and this ultimately diminishes our confidence for all americans because this person out of whic led to impulse but they couldn' accomplish within the law, they try to accomplish outside event. >> he talks about the finger-pointing and somebody that would -- essentially they became targets

of assassination. >> absolutely. this is why it is clear that it wasn't someone from the right who did this. everybody understood the goal t change the opinion was somethin that would come from the left o the threats were obviously targeted at the conservative justices up to and including th threat of finance is that summation. -- of assassination. this is really a serious proble for the justices. safety and for the internal workings of the court. >> a lot of frustration because we never got those answers they've help press release in january this year and some individuals submitted to investigators that they told their spouse or partner about the draft dobbs opinion and the outcome in violation of the courts confidentiality rules. professors that afflicted, does that surprise you at all quick. >> it did surprise me that justices stated very clear they trusted you and you are not to talk to anybody about what was

going on until an opinion was amounts. i think we adhere to that me understood how important it was spirits. >> do you think we are ever going to know what's what is your thought about the long-ter impact on people being able to trust the court goes on there. >> i think that the leak has ha a really a norma's impact on th court itself, the inner working of the court. i think that we have seen as justice thomas set on your intr distrust inside the court and i think as we look outside the court i think the leak itself was not really what caused thes changes in poll numbers and having faith in the supreme hard trying to put food on the table and take care of their e overturned. in one of the criticisms came

with specific reference to justice thomas' concurrence wit dobbs. natalie to the broader ruling but he said in future cases we should reconsider all of the du process presidents including chris walt and lawrence and burke felt. this is what president biden said that they. >> justice thomas' out of my state explicitly called to reconsider right after marriage quality, the right of couples t make their choices on contraception this extreme and dangerous path the court is not taking us on. >> we've heard those words a lot , extreme. this court cannot be trusted, its illegitimate it's . >> the legitimacy attacks are just about name-calling. the president conferred by the set of. bonhomie and fortune things is that of allowed people to demagogue about issues.

e on the court to hold and certainly part of whatt very clear that they are limited aborti wh is willing to consider rethinking due process, does no mean that some of those might not come in through other areas which is justices don't follow. by there certainly are not a lo -- a large number of votes right now. they're just trying to change the subject from the limited nature of that opinion itself clearly significant but it doesn't have the impact that some people are trying to penny petty about. >> he's been in the headlights as many others happen you hear some of them on ethics question say clarence thomas' secret lif of luxury to be fair deal courses also make big money fro a real estate deal.

robert, who's married to -- $3 million in commissions from elite law firms, both of lord documents. professor, what do you make of these calls forth the court not to step up and draft at the top eight code of conduct. >> at think it was long overdue to have a code of conduct. these are historic regulations. misconduct's conduct could buil $20,000 of payment. you look at the history and the supreme court has been great about avoiding financial improprieties like this is called into question for good reason. the federal says the. they said the only thing perception that conservative justices are corrupt. it's all part of a concerted effort supreme court that upholds a semblance of constitutional limits on the statement one thing still standing in the pla of progressive progress. what you make up that, of these health lines. >> the headlights of philly political.

the justices here didn't do anything wrong it's up to accurately to the transaction did not report things that no one would have to report. the purpose is what the article said to influence the outcome and to do so politically. they want to impose restriction on order to make things more control over their lives in the lives of their spouses at ultimately to influence outcome because justices need to recuse themselves. this know what to take their place really affects the makeup of the court and how cases are decided. >> this comes from a biker parsing call from the senate to force the justices to write and adopt this new code of conduct. there's an interesting opinion piece in the washington post that says it is possible that that is one branch infringing o another. and that there are corruption laws and impeachment for the justices on they are still subjected to those kinds of things. >> we have checks and balances in the constitution and the supreme court is obviously

subject to checks and balances just like the other bridge that government put its required under the law that we have both the appearance and the reality of impartiality when it comes t our judicial branch. the highest court in the land should be even more true. so i think the idea that they aren't found ethics code in the same way that every lower federal court judge is perhaps suggest that the appearance of impartiality and affect the reality for a moment is not really getting through to the public and so i think it is really something that is appropriate for congress doing its oversight authority, engaging in its oversight and authority to consider whether they need to be made or not. >> people see if the appetite a they. thank you all for your time today. we appreciate having you in. >> people around the world called the original love story.

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