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class and facing shortages and battles over parent rights. >> parents make this decision, not school boards, begin with virginia governor glenn youngkin. then no parent should wonder what is being said or taught to their child in the classroom. >> parents, not the government should be responsible for determining the education of their children. >> gop presidential candidate look to take a page out of the

playbook. ask both parties what role education may play in the next election. and how are the feds handling the falling tests scores. >> this is very bad for the future of the country. >> to overcrowded classrooms by a surge of migrants. >> we are welcoming migrants into schools with open arms. >> to the return of mask mandatories. >> you have school districts imposing k-n-95 mask mandates on children, are you kidding me? >> what the president of the teachers union. >> plus explore why more families are choosing to home school and ask the things everyone wants to know.

>> what about the question you always get, are they getting socialized? >> go inside the state of education. >> hello from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news, rescue crews are struggling get through the roads and rubble after a massive earthquake hit m morocco. this is just some of the aftermath, is biggest quake to hit the north african country in decades. >> wlief from casa blanca, hello, trey. >> many are missing after 6.8 earthquake rocked morocco, continuing tedious efforts to find survivors under the rubble.

specialized military units area the epicenter of marrakesh. they are setting up field hments and housing for the internally displaced moroccans. near the base or within the mountains. rescue workers need time to get through the remote villages. this was largest tremor to hit in 120 years. initial shaking felt in portugal followed by number of after shocks, more funerals held for the victims as king mohammad declared a three-day of mourning. >> each passing hour the probability people are -- back to you. >> trey, thank you, we'll

continue to monitor that developing story. we turn to the state of education here in the u.s. there is debate in the country about the role schools should play in american life. what say should parents have about what their children is learn learning. their children's experience, those are questions we'll attempt to answer today. first mike emmanual from the virginia suburbs outside washington, d.c., which has become ground zero in the fight over schools. >> during the pandemic, mom and dads empowering parents. becoming the first republican to win statewide in blue virginia since 2009, creating new

political play book for other republicans to follow in swing states or where democrats are dominant. youngkin imposed new policy insisting use bathrooms and locker rooms matching their birth gender and increasing parental notification requirement. >> this doesn't make sense. >> in several districts, fairfax county, prince william, ardltslington and alexand dria, youngkin has experienced. >> no longer be honored at school. >> recent fox poll reveals half believe there is not enough focus on reading, writing, math and science and half believe too much focus on sexual orientation and gender identity. >> fairfax public school argue

local gender policy comply with federal and state anti-discrimination laws, should showdown could end in court. >> mike, thank you very much. >> shannon: joining us here in washington, virginia governor glenn youngkin. welcome back to "fox news sunday." sglp good morning and happy anniversary, it is the first an verps versery of your show. >> shannon: this says democrats and republicans have been talking about school reform and everything has gotten worse. this is written by an english teacher. they haven't articulated clear vision on this issue. what can we do better?lity educ children, e future of virginia, the future of -- take on the challenges and take

advantage of the opportunities ahead of them. when they came -- heart of the movement. what we saw of course was first of all effort to systematically lower expectation by the progressive left as standards were lowed. parents were pushed out of their parent's lives and schools were shut for unnecessary amount of time. virginia was 44th getting kids back in school and learning loss has been catastrophic. first raising expectations and empowering parents and making sure they're at the head of the table in children lives. the fact we have to combat consistent learning loss, virginia had the best schools and now ranked bottom of the pack in fourth grade reading and

writing learning loss. we launched high tensity tutoring program helping third through eighth graders regain what they lost. we have a generation that is risk and we need to go to work right now. we have been clear in the policy, systematic in moving forward and we owe it to children who will define our future. >> shannon: you mention test scores were not great, room for improvement, you launched a program, head of the virginia teachers association says all he has to show is scandals, proposed budget of spending and stagnating test results. are challenges bigger than you anticipated, is that a fair criticism? >> step back and say we came in as new administration, what we inherited was a group of

children who had been in fact damaged by schools closed and lowered expectations and what is clear third through eighth grade never been taught foundational elements that were going to underpin the rest of education. learning loss was deep and persistent and therefore we have to politics down and go to work. this tutoring program is so important. it is three to five hours of tutoring for reading and math in the classroom either before, during the day or after the school system get to decide. it will not cost families a penny. it is funded by the state and we have a moment and failing their math standards and more than half at risk to fail or fail reading standards, no time for political jargon, it is time to go to work and get this done

now, we have a whole generation at risk. >> shannon: we wanted a bipartisan discussion today, we asked cardona to join us and we were turned down. we offered pretaped interview and he turned that down. here is what he says about republicans. >> we have a party that is bent on creating division, so they can privatize schools. >> shannon: he says that condition shows toxic disrespect for lgbtq people, you are banning books, he says that is your party. >> i believe this is representative of what the progressive left has been championing, which is first you don't know what is good for your children, we push parents out of their kid's life, second, we are going to emphasize equal outcome over excellence and make sure children get same education and we know one size fits all means one size fits none. no one can argue with the fact

that we have seen just catastrophic learning los across this country because of bad policy by the progressive left. this is not a political statement, it is common sense and one of the biggest challenges in virginia and across the country is chronic absenteeism, what they taught our kids and families being not in school, thinking 12 was quality education is not okay. we have to get kids back in the classroom and give them intensive support and rescue this generation at risk. >> shannon: let's talk about the policies your administration has put forward, mike emmanual was reporting about. were you giving guidance they need kids with gender assigned at birth and parents have to approve to names and pronouns.

a judge in new jersey blocked similar policy parents back up there and says he is worried about evident of mental health issue and infliction of physical or emotional harm for students forced to reveal these things. do you acknowledge risk and second you have number of districts who say they will not comply, do you enforce it. >> it is empowering parents to be engaged in their children's lives and previous policy excluded parents and we know this is not right. a child cannot go on a field trip without parental consent or get an aspirin or medication, how is it appropriate for child to be guided and counseled by folks outside of their family on important issues when questioning their identity at school. parents must be at the head of

the table. there are protection in place if there is abuse at home and those protections are appropriate. this is where the argument becomes politicized. family counseling is most effective counseling, parents have a right in virginia to make decision with regard to their child's education, upbringing and care. it isser cloo clear, we are going to make choice they don't. attorney general came out with a very clear opinion, passed by the previous administration and signed by the governor that i will issue modern policy and local schools will adopt consistent with those. they can adopt policies we laid out or consist stent with them. they need to go back and adopt

policy. >> shannon: one parent made headlines. >>-- -- to uncover the fact that the superintendent had covered it up. he was immediately terminated when the final report from the grand jury was issued. mr. smith did what any father or parent would do, stand up for their child and even worse, what then happened, the perpetrator

sexually assaulted another young woman. this was a gross miscarriage of justice. i spoke to him on friday and issued a full -- for him. >> shannon: "wall street journal" notes if november 7 goes well, youngkin could make a late introduction into the 2024 race and some national republicans have pined for. play an ad your pack had earlier this year, too. >> we can usher in a new era of american values. >> shannon: looks like a campaign ad, you can't run again for governor in virginia. what do you think about 2024? are you definitively ruling it in or out? >> i'm so focused on 2023, most important election in our nation, we have a chance to demonstrate common sense

conservative policy can result in great outcome. when i look at virginia over last 18 months, i am so encouraged because we have gone from near the bottom of job growth to the top in job growth and seen the largest work growth and reduced taxes and backed law enforcement and reestablished excellence in school and empowered parents. people are noticing and think it is good. i'm most focused on virginia thinking it is good and that is what we're focused on. >> shannon: that sounds like a stump speech. >> i think it sounds like the truth. >> we have brought whole new way of governoring to virginia, way of governoring that reflect work and results and reflecting common values and made great change in a short period of time. >> shannon: any way to take

those skills to run figure 2024? >> i was at rockingham county fair, i'm campaigning for virginians, not around the country. >> shannon: the door still seems like a crack there. thank you for your time. >> thank you, thank you for covering education, nothing more important than making sure future generations receive quality education they deserve to lead and face challenges we know they will. >> shannon: for the kids. thank you. up next, reading and math scores have upon dro dropped. becky pringle joins us live to talk about what teachers and administrations are doing to get kids unto speed. plus which kids have highest and lowest test scores for eighth graders. the answer when we come back. brightest minds in medicine.

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>> it should be up to parents and the school board to make this decision, not the federal government and the state. >> no one knows better what is good for kids than parents. >> shannon: how to handle hot button topics in the classroom. which states have highest and lowest test scores? >> massachusetts, utah have highest scores in math. bottom, new mexico, washington, d.c. and west virginia.

at the center are nation teachers, groups that push for change and advocate for teachers and school support staff. joining me now, becky pringle, president of the national association. thank you for coming in today. you're a long-time teacher, my mom spent decades in the classroom, too. it has been so difficult going through covid. we have numbers from gallup. k-12 education has fallen six points to match record low of 36%. why do you think americans feel like education system is not working? >> i've had the opportunity to go visit students and educators throughout the country and this is that time of year. i taught science to middle school students and that hope

and enthusiasm is there as school begins. there are lingering challenge from the pandemic, gaps in the learning. the pandemic made it worse. what educators are saying to me and what i know, focus we need now is on solutions that we know work. and it is important that you ask and listen to educatorses, parents and -- >> let's look at test scores, covid is real, learning loss is real. scores dropped to lowest level in decades. down four points in reading, nine points in math compared to pre-covid, compared to 10 years ago, down 14 points in math. how do we hold anyone

accountable, where do we find solutions. >> question is what do we do about it. at the nea, one thing we're focused on are solutions that work. we are watching and gathering information and data, many schools, talking about test scores or other measures, that is important like absenteeism and ability to desire to continue to learn. when we look at those solutions, we see them in front of us, solution like immunity schools, created in way they understand they are teaching the whole student. the communities, they can promote student agency so students are involved in learning. we know a student can't learn if they are hungry or can't see. the solution where everyone is involved in closing gaps, existed before the pandemic

build in equity in every single social system that impact whether students come to school ready to learn everyday. those are things we need to focus on and it is our shared responsibility to do it. >> shannon: you have talked about the gaps and how to close them. no matter where you are or who you are, you can have a quality education. "wall street journal" is talking about a chicago teacher, head of the union there, sending her kid to a private school. ms. gates wanting to do that is laudable. tim scott is running for gop nomination, started school choice caucus years ago and says it is civil rights issue of our generation. here is what he had to say. if we restore hope, you have to have every kid and every family

and every zip code having access to quality education. when a kid has a good education, all things are possible. >> shannon: he's a product of public school, he loves them and want them to flourish and do well. where there is not a good option, what about school choice and charter school and home schooling, different options, do you agree with him on those points? >> 90% of students go to public school. 83% of the richest people in america send their children to public schools. any scheme that takes money out of the public school system rob them of resources desperately needed. that is equitably funding schools so when we say every student has opportunity access to learn, we mean every student.

>> shannon: we've got this issue with migrant students coming in. in new york, they say we are overburdened and don't have resources to take care much everyone. the city attempted to create a plan, there is not enough there, not enough resources to go around. mayor adamses we do not have enough personnel. are you worried about the impact on kids? this current situation with places like new york? >> i'm always worried when the burden is placed on the back of parents and students themselves. in our country, it has never been a matter of whether we have the wealth, it has always been about whether we have the will to meet the needs of students. black or white, nater or

newcome,indigenous students or lgbtq students, we have resources to close gaps. as educators, as a teacher, i have to meet my children where they are. in public schools we take them all, we take them all. our job and our responsibility is to work collaboratively with parents, our natural partners and others in the community to make sure every student get what they need and deserve. >> shannon: supreme court agreed to education for all students. becky, thank you for your time and decades of teaching. up next, pollsters weigh in on what you think about school where education figures in the race for the white house and time for next pop quiz, which state spend most on education?

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>> shannon news sunday special, the state of education.

which states spend most for k-12th grade. new york, washington, d.c. and vermont spend most. idaho, utah and arizona spend the least. utah had one of the highest math scores for studenting. do a deep dive now on what american voters think about the state of education and who has best plan to solve issues today. take for education pollsters, kellyanne conway and celinda lake, president of lake research partners. great to see you. >> nice to be here, thank you. >> shannon: we have polling on this specific issue. we asked about local public schools, are they teaching too much, guilty. majority think we are doing too little on good citizenship and

math, science and tech. sexual orientation and gender. anything surprising to you there? >> no, we have a parents rights renaissance sweeping the nation. people are concerned about the quality of education in our classrooms, those numbers don't surprise me, people look at schoolsesa place of learning and parents don't want kids have their values subsumed. the other metrics we know are incredibly important to this point also. i don't understand why democrats are against school choice and education freedom when they are proven to help kids trapped in failing schools to have a third way, shannon. i can't justify why 60 years

after bigots in the south refused to let color in, you have biassed, narrow-minded people across this country preventing kids from exiting the schools. i think this will continue to be 50% of students in washington, d.c. were absent last year. 6.4 million across the nation and we spend so much in washington, d.c. where i live. that issic maing people feel better. we spent more money. it doesn't correlate, we are shoving kids to college, not preparing them for college. our administration, access for kids another way to have a skill set when they graduate high school, graduate high school diploma, skill certificate, let

them go to work instead of shoving them into college, all of them and not preparing for college. >> shannon: not for everybody. i will play a match up of number of gop contenders at the debate talking about education in the united states. >> we need education not indoctrination in this country. >> get rid of department of education. >> shut down the department of education, take that 80 billion. >> i will shut down department of education. >> break the backs of the teachers unions. >> shannon: they want to hamper or cut doe, get rid of union, that is pitch they are making to voters. >> that is right, pitch to primary voters that is wildly unpopular. started by george bush and promoted by a republican

president. 90% of students go to public schools, we are committed to good public education for every child in america. something parents and teachers can be united in and work together on and people want to focus on reading, writing and math and mental health, which is a crisis, focus on skills training so children have more options. people are fine with choices for education, they don't want to take public taxpayer dollars and put in private schools. >> shannon: we have a poll, 50% of people prefer putting public money into charter schools. private school or religious school is a debate, they don't want the money to go there. they do show kellyanne, they think topics schools are focused on, they don't think that is where the focus should be.

>> yes, and more clever democrats run on this issue, even though they don't fulfill th this. shapiroed he would support $100 million scholarship program, school choice and charter to add choice, yet he gets into office and did what tom wolf did, he is refusing to make good on the campaign promise, he politicized an issue near and dear to all of us and denying the kids. i don't begrudge sending kids to private school in washington, d.c., if they can afford it, perfect. but why would you just as joe biden is doing, veto the d.c. opportunity scholarship program when every survey says if you are a member of that, kid that benefits from that, you are 12% more likely to graduate from

high school? why resistance? people say it is becf teacher unions, it is beyond that. you are hostile, if not in opposition for what works for kids. >> shannon: it does poll well, following families and students where they want to go. that is the idea, not true in every neighborhood. >> only 28% of voters have children under 18, we're talking, i don't have children, i never voted against a school levee, i strongly support. i don't want my tax dollars going to private schools, that is parent choice, i want my tax dollars going to public school for every child. what is setting, the public united around focusing on opportunity and improving quality and reading and writing and individualized learning and mental health and skills training, why are we having divisive issues at this critical

moment trying to help all children catch up. >> shannon: like new york mayor eric adams says, compassion is limitless, resources are not. we have to figure that out. thank you for coming in today. up next, sunday panel on return of masks in school, the discussion on mandates and on this day in 1998, ronald reagan addressed the nation on education. >> the education our children deserve is the kind no american should be deprived of, basic instruction in what itten means to be abamerican. >> shannon: fox business will hold the second primary debate, watch it all there and on fox news channel, september 27.

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kraushaar, and former state department spokesperson morgan ortagus. some of you have kids in school, idea of masking, this week j.d. vance tried to pass a measure to ban the federal from putting masks back into school and public transit. there are those who oppose it and say masks work and we have to use them. >> it goes back to trust, trust, trust and trust was broken by school board and school policies that refused to go back to school. it caused problems for a year. we are global outlier on school closure and masking. denmark did not mask, france said no one under 11. the cdc in europe says don't mask them in primary school at

all. we are the outlier and citizens are demanding, you prove to us this is doing something. it caused damage lasts last time and peepiel are upset about it. >> shannon: there are all kind of other legal issues. one in new jersey, i talked about with governor youngkin, this is about students, schools, policies, parents want to be informed if there is change with regard to gender transition and that type of thing. a judge blocked their efforts and said statistical possibility one transgender student could run away from home or attempt to commit suicide is sufficient to tip balance in favor of the state. >> what i'm sensing from parents is ability to you don't feel you

are in control. i think for your child. i think that is one reason why parents get so upset about masking. it is not just about masking, it is about masking and next day the fact your child could be going through something, change gender identity, things that have life-long repercussion and you couldn't be informed about it? governor youngkin said you had to be called and informed for a child to take aspirin, not for them to make a decision that might change reproductive ability later in life? it is crazy and parents feel it is crazy. your interview with governor youngkin was so good, he brought up things that could fix the problems. the school tutoring, we've been complaining for a year about

covid policy and what they have done and we are hearing solutions to get children back in the right direction. as a member of the republican, that is where we need to be headed. >> shannon: we will watch virginia. >> whether parents should be informed, monmouth polling, 81% say there should be requirement they are informed. in new jersey, they are trying to block legislation, 77%. you are not on the controversial side by wanting to know. >> shannon: potential life-long ramifications for some of this. attorney general filed suit against a school district saying forced outing policy endangers well being of students. it goes back to worry and in california they are considering if you don't affirm what your child's choice is, that it could

affect your ability to maintain custody of your child. >> you have blue state like california, facing red county and governor youngkin talking about deep blue trying to get them to go along with popular guidance his administration offered. for republicans, if you're youngkin, do you pick a big fight with fairfax county over transgender policies. he is not governor desantis or someone eager to pick fights and blue areas are saying, new jersey, california, we want to have this fight, are you going to make this a big national issue. that is the big question, virginia is a blue state, california is blue, new jersey is a blue state. do big fight have political resonance. >> shannon: the west might be purple. youngkin would say that.

this is the president of the chino valley school district, school board being sued over this issue. she wants parents to have more information, here is what she says. >> our kids can't take tylenol without permission issue but yet he is picking and choosing what he wantings parents to know. that is a message they have a clear agenda, they want control. >> sure, i'm a big believer in school choice, i think parents are the best people to look out for their children. but i listen to this conversation and i think less than 1% of school-aged children between 5 and 17 are considering transitioning, why are we making a big issue out of this? i guess it is politics, people want to politicize a very

difficult decision. i went to high school a long time ago, i think lots of people are exploring sexual identity and sex during high school, that is just reality, i don't think there is need for state government or court to tell inner parents or kids how to behave. >> shannon: it is inner pas wanting to know. thank you. parents have pulled their children out of schools in past few years. up next, take a look at an alternative parents are turning to. and which states have highest and lowest sat scores? do you have bragging rights? the answers when we come back. s. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? [dog barks] oh. no it's just a bunny! calm down taco. sit duchess. stop! sesame no no. archie!

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>> shannon: back to state of education special. which states have highest and lowest median sat scores? minnesota, north dakota and nebraska have the highest scores. delaware, idaho and washington, d.c. have the lowest median scores. it's been three years since the start of the pandemic. early on schools closed their

doors, leaving students locked out and forced to learn remotely. school enrollment dropped and home schooling increased by 30%. we sat down with parents trying new way of educating their kids. >> my youngest was in kindergarten and he would sit with me while logging into class and it was not good. >> john and sandra faced a dilemma during covid, how to keep their children engaged and learning when zoom school fell short. >> i knew it was better doing stuff alongside us, pretty easy decision to make. >> shannon: they decided to give home schooling a try. it was risk free, i felt we weren't going to be left behind, everybody was struggling with education. >> shannon: other parents, think it was the pandemic that gave

them the push to try this? >> one of the play groups i'm in, they said we're going to try home schooling and they have stuck with it because the results were so beyond anything they had fathommed. >> shannon: the pandemic was the tipping point, attitude about home education have been shifting. jenna myers left the classroom to teach in a home school setting. >> i really missed teaching and someone brought opportunity for my to teach at home school co-op. i will check it out, it may be weird. i had preconceived notion. i visited and the moms were eager to learn. i can try this. >> carla fuller, whose children are grown, educated them at home from kindergarten through high school. decisive moment came in an unexpected way. >> it was a team recruiting

event and one young woman was different from the other girls. she was youthful, but not as peer driven. i said, where did you go to schooled and that begab my introduction to education. >> shannon: what about the question you get, are they getting socializad? >> socialization happens in number of different ways, not that they have to be with peers. >> my kids are involved in sports. they play tennis on a team. my kids are more active than ever and recently we had interaction with my mom's friend and he said, i can't believe how your son can have a conversation with me. i -- my own grandchildren don't talk to me. it is because he's interacted with adults, people of different

ages, different situations. he can talk to anybody. >> shannon: the critical question, what kind of education are kids getting from parents who aren't trained educators. >> shannon: that is a worry, there is not regulation outside public school system, nobody is keeping track of learning and progress. >> that was my principle concern, i was worried about standards. >> shannon: sandra says her team has testing schedule and give concrete measurement for how children are doing. >> shannon: what is level of detail about knowing where they are in different subjects? >> we know everything they are working on, we have to do it. >> another misconception about home schooling, you have to do it all yourself. my son was interested in chess,

i put him in a chess class that i don't teach. i'm not a chess player. he takes that class. my daughter wanted to be in a classroom, we found a co-op with a teacher that went all year long and did sixth grade math class in person with three kids and a teacher. >> shannon: john and sandra both work from home and home school. >> we are doing targeted schooling, i sit down with emily, mommy has 20 minutes, knock these problems out and then go do them yourself. >> everyone is flexible. >> shannon: what do you tell people about home school and why you like it? why does it work? >> you spend seven to eight hours in school and when you get home, you have homework and

stuff. you get back at like two or 3:00. >> we have more time to go to the courts and hit with each other, in public or private, we wouldn't have that time. >> shannon: home schooling advocates cite freedom as the key benefit. >> tailoring your child's need is great benefit. when you have a child special needs or gifted, you can lean in and find what works for them, not one size fits all. do you find you learn things, too? >> it is far easier to pick it up. if you need to be refreshed on i think thises. it is not calculus. >> not yet. >> i will stay away from that. >> shannon: high school math. all right, before we go, check out this moment, tim scott made a stop at charter school on friday. he was there to encourage the student, watch what happened. >> know you have big dreams,

bigger your dreams, the more you will accomplish. >> i have nightmares. >> you have nightmares? >> shannon: that little kid was not the only one, kids keeping it real. we all enjoyed that. kids speak truth. that's it for today, thank you for joining us, i'm shannon bream, w e wi

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