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technology has advanced and how it's changing the game in solving cold cases. >> then in soap lake washington, a real life soap opera is unfolding. how would you describe the relationship? >> a big hot mess. >> a wealthy older man, his young wife, and a forbidden tryst. your husband was your uncle? >> yeah. a lot going on there. >> and when the wealthy apple baron is found dead with a bullet in his head. >> i have no idea what happened. was it me? >> she is a pathological liar. >> is she wracked with grief or just rotten to the core? your daily source for true crime starts right now. we recently brought you our exclusive interview with john ramsey, the father of jonbenet ramsey. she's the six year old pageant star found murdered in the basement of her parents home in boulder, colorado, almost 28 years ago. the story sparked tremendous attention from you, our viewers

and social media followers after we revealed numerous items from the crime scene have not undergone new and in some cases, any dna testing. so what would happen if they did? we've got your answers. >> i just want to say we need to get justice for jonbenet and her family. >> they need closure. this should have already been done. they have the dna evidence. >> that's how they called the golden state killer. >> that was your child. would you be able to sleep at night? >> i'm in my 80s and i do not want to pass away before this is solved. >> i engaged with the media to push the police to do the right thing. it's not because i like being on television or i'm trying to clear my name. that has nothing to do with it. it can bring public pressure on the government, on the police, on the governor, and they react to pressure. >> john ramsey's interview with true crime news made headlines after he revealed shocking accusations, claiming evidence in the murder case of his

daughter remains untested after 28 years. now he's calling for action given advancements in new dna technologies. >> we would like untested items be tested and then use the familial dna research capabilit, which has had marvelous results in old cases, to find the killer. >> so how exactly does current dna testing work, and why does he think it can now catch jonbenet's killer? >> it's really amazing how far technology has advanced and the doors that it has opened for solving these cold cases. >> césar moore is the chief genetic genealogist at parabon labs, a private company pioneering the new field of familial dna research. and this new technology is opening cold cases like never before. >> it's shocking how far back we can go now with modern technology. i have helped to solve cases back into the 1950s,

and so it really just depends on how well that sample has been stored over the years or decade. >> familial dna searching or fds, is a forensic technique using dna databases like myheritage.com or 23 andme to identify the biological relatives of an unknown dna sample. in jonbenet's case, it would seek to find possible relatives of the unidentified male dna that was found on jonbenet's underwear and body. >> we point them towards someone who is a relative of all of these matches in the database or these partial matches, and then they have to collect dna to test out that theory. >> a familial dna search result is only a lead. once the dna can be traced down to potential suspects in a family tree, investigators use normal techniques to compare the suspect to the actual crime evidence and the facts of the

case. it often requires gathering direct dna from a suspect to match the actual sample from the crime scene. for cold cases like jonbenet, it can be an absolute game changer. the grim sleeper, the golden state killer, the boy in the box, the lady in the dunes all solved using familial dna tracing, sometimes using dna samples as small as those left by a single touch. so what is keeping boulder police from using it with the evidence in jonbenet's case? >> what the police say as recently as a few months ago. well, we don't think that dna technology is advanced enough to do that. we don't want to destroy the dna. that's nonsense. i agree it is nonsense. absolute nonsense. my worry is that they've lost the evidence. >> john has petitioned colorado governor jared polis to force boulder police to turn over what evidence? they do have, in the

hopes that new technology can help close america's most famous cold case for good. we reached out to governor polis office, but they have not responded. when we come back, forbidden love and a mysterious death. one of the most bizarre cases you'll ever hear. that's next. >> she's the one that's supposed to be devastated and she's having shower sex with his with his choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels. because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away.

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where do we even begin? with this next story? we have a family at war. a suspicious death, and a controversial forbidden romance. your husband was your uncle? >> yeah. a lot going on there. >> apple orchard owner tim mcnamara appears to have a perfect life. a wife, two children and a successful apple farm in soap lake washington. but on the other side of town lived tracy nessel. she enjoyed a more modest existence. >> i would see tim mcnamara on occasion in town. >> tracy came from a broken family and grew up without a father figure. >> well, i was born out of wedlock and i was not accepted by the mcnamara family. so i grew up with the gibbons, my biological mother and her

family. >> one day she was invited to tim's daughter's wedding. and that's when their relationship changed. you were sexually attracted to him, physically attracted to him. but any sort of love connection would have to wait, though. tim was going through a divorce. tracy was also in a relationship. but after tracy's relationship ends and tim's divorce is nearly finalized, the two can't keep their hands off each other. >> it was a physical attraction, but it was more we were spiritually connected. we were socially connected, and he was a dad. he was my best friend. he was my lover. he was. he was everything in one. >> everything, including her uncle. >> they say my biological father is denny mcnamara. >> tim mcnamara's brother. that's right. it seemed tracy's new lover, tim, was actually uncle tim. >> we've never had a dna test, but you ultimately did have a

dna test that showed that you were mcnamara. i did. >> how would you describe the relationship between tracy and tim? >> a big hot mess. >> after months of dating, tim transferred all of his properties into tracy's name, including the apple orchard. his home on the farm, and two additional parcels of land nearby. >> tim was concerned that his children would sell the farm, and he wanted to keep the farm intact as a mcnamara farm, bypassing his children and finding love with his biological niece. >> alienated tim from their community, so they moved to belize and they bought a 50 acre farm. >> it was our opportunity to go live our life and live it out, hoping that everyone would come around. >> and in less than a year, tim makes his niece his bride, who's

beautiful, handsome, make me cr. >> it was beautiful. >> so beautiful that tim drafts an emotional new will, leaving everything to tracy. >> the will is very, very clear. it explains to his friends and family why he's leaving things to tracy and not to his childre. exactly. >> but after two years in belize, how much of tim's fruit fortune was there? really? >> we were broke. >> tim begins reaching out to his kids back in soap lake via email, in an apparent attempt to make amends. >> he had come into the house while i was at the bed and breakfast working, unbeknownst to me, and wrote emails to his children. very uncharacteristic of him. >> but by the time christmas day rolls around, it seems maybe tim is feeling sentimental, reaching out to his son caleb with these now haunting words. i sure have loved being your dad. this would be tim's final email. moments after hitting send. tim steps

out onto the patio. it wasn't uncommon for mac to go out and fire a shot to scare off whoever was there, potentially. >> or an animal. >> tracy says she was in the kitchen making dinner when she heard the loud pop of a gunshot. >> i didn't check on him right away because it was just common. and then, then i, i checked on him. and he was laying there on his side. >> tim's been shot in the back of the head. >> so i just started screaming. help me, help me, help me! somebody please help me! mac's been shot or mac has shot himself. i don't even remember what i said. and i said, mac, get up. and he didn't get up. and i went, and i kind of maybe moved him. mac. come on. but i never saw blood. i didn't see anything, so i still didn't know really what was going on. and so

i screamed for a long time, a very long time. >> nearly three hours later, an ambulance arrives. and it's not because of traffic. you had a phone in the house. >> we had a landline, but you didn't dial 911? no, i didn't think about it. i didn't know. >> by the time paramedics arrive, it's just too late to save him. tim dies in the hospital around 1130. that nigh, a full 5.5 hours after police reports say he was shot. >> i have no idea what happened. did he fall? was it an accident? was there someone else out there? was it me? >> even authorities thought tim may have taken his own life. tracy reaches out to his son, caleb, who arrives on the next flight. >> i asked caleb, i said, you really believe that i did this? >> he says no, but the following day, police in belize bring tracy in to ask a few questions.

>> did you feel like you were a suspect then? no >> then police question. caleb. >> i don't know what conversations transpired in belize with caleb and the officials, but they don't appear to be favorable to tracy. and caleb said i highly recommend that you leave belize now. >> tracy quickly catches a

flight back to soap lake, washington, two weeks later, authorities in belize released their forensics report. >> then i became a suspect. >> the findings in the forensic report are. first, it claims there was blood spatter on tracy's shirt. no gunshot residue or blood on the victim's hands. based on the bullet's trajectory, the person who fired was shorter and standing behind him, concluding that he was not the one who fired the shot, causing the wound. >> what's on tracy's shirt is transfer. it's not spatter. and then he makes a big deal out of the fact that tim. there was no blood on tim's hand. tim was

laying in the pouring belize rain for three hours. you expect there to be blood on his hand? >> that is not my understanding of what happened. we can't contort ourselves quite enough to make it happen. >> so who shot tim mcnamara? >> we allege that tracy nesn did after receiving the report. >> tim's children, caleb and jennifer, hire attorney karen kohler to help build a civil case for murder. >> the motivation was financial. that's our allegation. >> so what would you say is a ballpark estimate of his estate? >> between 1.7 and $2 million. >> not only had tim deeded tracy all his assets after his death, it's uncovered that there are two life insurance policies worth almost half $1 million, all in tracy's name. >> from the time she entered his life, his life took a complete turn for the worst. and then he dies in a way that is not consistent with suicide. >> tracy maintains. tim had some

very serious issues weighing on his mind. when we come back, the case of the murdered apple farmer gets even more rotten. >> caleb stayed with me the very first night after mac died. >> and tha night, you and cal

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first night at our home. >> what do you mean? >> he stayed with me one night after mac died, and that night you and caleb had sex. we took a shower. we were involved. >> caleb says it's all a lie. >> she's a pathological liar. >> fact or fiction? tim had been dead less than 24 hours. >> i don't know what i was thinking, i don't i really don't was was his absence scary for me and that i just needed that comfort. like caleb was there to take mac's place. i don't know, it appears confusing because caleb was your cousin and then you married his father, which made him your stepson. >> but your husband was your uncle. >> yeah, a lot going on there. a lot of terms, yes. >> even more shocking, tracy

claims they actually had on and off sexual relations going back many years. and she says tim knew about her sexual history with his son caleb denies the accusation that the two had an affair. >> she's the one that's supposed to be devastated and she's having shower sex with his with his son less than, what, 24 hours after he dies? yeah >> wife, niece, cousin. stepmom. murderer whomever. tracy nesn mcnamara is police in belize issue a warrant for her arrest. camped out on tim's farm in soap lake. tracy can't leave without running the risk of being returned to belize. tim mcnamara's children are able to secure some kind of justice. a washington civil court holding tracy liable for the civil murder of her husband, uncle ti, even tracking the glock used in the shooting to one she bought

in north carolina and secretly shipped to belize. in total, the court granting a $3.3 million judgment for a crime of illicit passion. up next, the other stories you need to know police need your help finding the man who unleashed this vicious attack

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the other stories we're following in our true crime index. dallas, texas the sentencing for an anesthesiologist who was convicted of tampering with iv bags has been delayed for the fourth time. doctor reynaldo ortiz was found guilty of injecting dangerous drugs into patients i.v. bags at a north dallas surgical center. his actions were linked to 11 cardiac emergencies. he faces a maximum of 190 years in prison. los angeles police need your help in identifying the man who brutally beat a beloved valet attendant at barney's beanery, the shirtless suspect seen in these images released by the sheriff's department, is wanted for attempted murder. you can see him knocking down, punching and repeatedly kicking frankie zarazua, who worked at the restaurant for more than 30 years. he's currently in critical condition. anyone with

information should contact the west hollywood sheriff's station. you can also call our tip line at (888) 845-7555. that's it for today's true crime news i'm anna garcia. join us ne xt - how did you learn they were dead? - wendy's mother had gone out into the woods, looking. she just knew something wasn't right. (tense music) - he said, "i went to bed that night. i got up and they were gone." you got to get your game face on and get to work and try to figure out what happened to them. (tense music) (camera flash popping) - we believe that wendy was strangled to death and this man had to look at his own son and had to conclude, "he's a witness against me and i can't have that." (tense music) - was there anything in particular which implicated them?